From: <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=132166216200196017015046036199129125067038">[email protected]</A> Date: Mon Aug 23, 1999 12:21pm Subject: Re: A Jacob Ivester In a message dated 8/23/99 5:39:22 AM US Central Standard Time, <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=113111222110146031112181190043176223">[email protected]</A> writes:<< Fran,How is your Samuel Ivester - got any ideas where he might have come from. Emma>>Apparently (according to Janice) he was in South Carolina - very close to Habersham. This makes sense as his descendants - although they moved back and forth between Habersham and Pickens County (SC) - seem to show up a lot in SC. There is an Ivester Lake in Anderson, SC. As to where he originated - I have no idea but suspect he is also a brother of Hugh - as I also suspect George Ivester of PA is a brother. Samuel Ivester married a Lola Campbell. Their daughter, Sarah Ivester, married Elihu Waldroup. Their son Joseph Waldroup of Habersham and Pickens, SC. married Tabitha McIntyre born 1808 in SC. Louis Lee Waldroup, s/o Joseph and Tabitha married Minerva Free (d/o Simeon Free born 1810 SC and Judy Harris). Sarah Waldrop, d/o Louis Lee and Minerva, married John Perry Peace of Anderson, SC - who was the s/o James Benjamin Perry Peace of Habersham and Anderson. I remember hearing that my own grandfather lived in Habersham but worked in Anderson, SC so those areas are very close.Samuel R. Ivester's descendants are connected more than once to the descendants of Hugh/Barbary.

From: <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=113111222110146183062046190199121125">[email protected]</A> Date: Mon Aug 23, 1999 6:35am Subject: Re: have tried to send this theories deal 3 times... Hi everyone,Mike -- are we driving you nuts yet...And.. re Fran's message below. Yes.. that scenario is just as reasonable. And Janice has some really good data for my Jacob to be the son of Jacob and Margaret Cline. And the family story of being killed by indians is interesting. Wish we had more on that. And we also have another family story that is in the Heritage of Cleveland County North Carolina book from a Mrs. Carl Ivester. She says that her husband is descended from Hugh Ivester of Rutherford Counth. And that Hugh had a son named John, who married Elizabeth Helms. But other documentation for her husband's line would indicate that they descend from Jacob.So I don't know. But it sure is neat to have you two to talk to....Now we need a marriage for Mike's John. Apparently it isn't the Elizabeth Helms. Or would seem so. Take care -- Emma

From: <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=132166216200196017015046036199129125067038">[email protected]</A> Date: Mon Aug 23, 1999 0:09am Subject: Re: have tried to send this theories deal 3 times... Michael seems to have his Jacob pretty much in hand - so if Michael's Jacob is the son of John - I guess the big question remains - who was John? Was he a twin to Hugh, Jr. as suggested? Could it be that John and the unknown James were the two brothers who were out chopping wood and survived the attack by Indians - to be taken in by Ivester relatives? And, if they were the survivors... who were their parents and how were they connected to Hugh? If that story is true, it would explain the two extra Ivesters (James and John - James being the elder - and John possibly being around the same age as Hugh - or at least under 10 years - which would explain the second child in Barbary's household who is 0-10 - and, if James were older - it could explain why he is shown in his own household). This scenario sounds as reasonable to me as Hugh having a twin.

From: "Michael P. Ivester" <<A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=029154020084056233050038109248121125067038025008186043152255057171142176173079001">[email protected]</A> Date: Sun Aug 22, 1999 8:26pm Subject: Re: have tried to send this theories deal 3 times... To All:Now that you all have me totally confused!...I will share some of my Jacob'sinfo....to only further our collective confusion.Jacob Ivester was born March 28, 1839 in Rutherford county, NC and died Nov.13, 1910 in Iron county, MO. He married Mary Jane Carnahan, daughter ofJames & Martha Woodward.On Jacob's death certificate (which I have a copy) his father's name waslisted as John Ivester. His mother's name was listed as Cora or Carry. Thefirst record of Jacob in MO. is found on an 1850 census of Wayne Co. MO. Hewas listed as 8 years old (which doesn't match, but many things don't inthis hobby!) He is listed as living with his mother and 2 sisters living inthe household of Wm. C. Eddington (apparently his step-father) He was latermarried to Mary Jane Carnahan by his step-father (who was a minister).He later purchased land from his father-in-law (have copies of deeds) andwas in the Civil War (have Civil War pension papers)I have found Jacob's tombstone in a small unkempt cemetery in the woods nearArcadia MO.I have been fortunate to have found many of tombstones, photos, deeds,wedding certificates, death certificates, etc. of Jacob's children(including my grandfather Charles Polk) and have visited many of these sitesand relatives (still living in the area).I even attended an Ivester reunion in Ironton last year (approximately 75family members whom I had never met before, but have had much contact withsince)Jacob and a couple of his sons' (including my grandfather) went on to becomeBaptist preachers in the Arcadia area.As stated earlier, I have much info. on this line if anyone would like tohave hard copies, I would be happy to send.That's all for now.Mike

From: <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=113111222110146183062046190199121125">[email protected]</A> Date: Sun Aug 22, 1999 2:00am Subject: have tried to send this theories deal 3 times... In a message dated 08/21/1999 1:09:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=132166216200196017015098065064129241078152">[email protected] </A> writes:I have another question - is Jacob (son of Hugh/Barbary) the same Jacob whose descendants moved to Missouri - as in Mike's family? If not - who was that Jacob? >>Ok Fran -- will try to answer your question above. There are two mystery Jacob Ivester folks... Mike.. we need you here....First of all - Mike's Jacob - here is what I have...Jacob Ivester - b. 28 mar 1839 in NCmd.Mary Jane Carnahan on 16 Nov. 1862 Iron Co., Missouri.Interesting enough - Mary Jane Carnahan is from my Carnahan line also so Mike and I are related in two ways.Jacob is found on the 1850 census of Wayne Co., Missouri as age 8 living with William C. Eddington and his wife Cary Eddington. Also listed is Elizabeth Ivestry age 6, b. Ga. and CAry L. Ivester, age 3, b. Ga.My best guess is that Cary Eddington was originally married to a Ivester and that he died and she then married William C. Eddington.The age 8 in the 1850 census does not match with the 1839 birth date but we all know census records and that they are sometimes not accurate. He appears in the 1880 census as age 39 and the 1900 census as age 60. And now my mystery Jacob -- this one is Ruby's also...The 1850 census for Walker Co., Georgia shows the following:Jacob Ivester - age 30 - farmer - b. NCNancy - age 24 - b. SCJohn - age 5 - b. GaMonroe - age 3 - b. GaReuben - age 1 - b. Ga.Elizabeth - age 1 - b. Ga.and the 1860 census of Craighead Co., Arkansas shows thisJacob Ivester - age 41 - farmer - b. NCJancy E. - 30 - SCJohn A. - 15 - GaAsa M. - 13 - Ga.Joseph H. - 4 - ArkWm. R. - 2 - Arkalso in the 1860 census for Craighead Co., Arkansas is this familyJohn B Eason - 39 - farmer - Ga.Elmina - 28 - SCJames - 11 - GA.John A. - 9 - Ga.Joseph H. - 3 - Ga.Asa A. - 1 - ArkSarah Hawkins - 12 - ArkBy the way - John Eason is also in Walker Co., Ga. but I need to copy that census record - only have an index on that one as I did not know about the Eason connection when I searched that microfilm.This is the Jacob Ivester family who are in Stoddard Co., Mo in 1870. And the Asa Monroe Ivester is my great grandfather.The Elmina listed as wife of John B. Eason is Elmina Elvira Ivester.And we believe that Nancy who is listed as the wife of Jacob Ivester is Nancy Eason.We have also been working on the idea that John Eason and Nancy Eason are brother and sister and Elmina Elvira Ivester and Jacob Ivester are brother and sister.And.. the theory we have been working on is that this Jacob Ivester and Elmina Elvira Ivester are the children of one of Hugh & Barbara Ivester's sons. We are pretty certain they do not belong to George. So started looking at the other 3 - Jacob, Hugh, and John (if he is a son of Hugh). Dorothy and I have always picked John Ivester and Elizabeth Helms as the most likely parents for these two. Common naming patterns were to name the first son after the father's father. Jacob and Nancy Ivester named their first son John A. Ivester and John and Elmina Eason named their second son John A. Eason. Both families also named sons Asa and Joseph. Janice has come up with some evidence that indicates that Jacob Ivester - son of Hugh & Barbara - also had a son Jacob. And her theory is really interesting.So we still have a mystery here as well.Can send more info. on my Jacob later... just wanted to get the basics in tonight...Anyone got any ideas???????????????Take care - Emma

From: <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=113111222110146183062046190199121125">[email protected]</A> Date: Sun Aug 22, 1999 1:30am Subject: Re: Theories... In a message dated 08/21/1999 1:09:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=132166216200196017015098065064129241078152">[email protected] </A> writes:<< I have another question - is Jacob (son of Hugh/Barbary) the same Jacob whose descendants moved to Missouri - as in Mike's family? If not - who was that Jacob? >>Ooops -- sort of forgot to finish the answer here - Jacob - son of Hugh and Barbara dies before the 1830 census - have some of the estate records for him as does Janice. Will send that family tomorrow - hopefully - I did bring some work home that I need to do -- talk to all of you later -- Emma

From: <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=113111222110146183062046190199121125">[email protected]</A> Date: Sun Aug 22, 1999 0:55am Subject: Hugh Ivester discussion - part 2 Are we driving all of you nuts yet... jump in here - we could use some ideas.... **Emma Ok -- here we go again...now go to the 1820 census - Rutherford Co., NCfirst of all - from on-line index onlyJacob IristerBarbary IvesterGeorge IvesterHugh IvesterJohn IvesterJohn Ivesterfrom microfilm - pg. 345:Jacob Ivester1 male under 101 male 26-452 females under 101 female 10-16**Fran - I don't have any info on Jacob.**Emma - This is Jacob - second son of Hugh and Barbara. He married Margaret Cline on 24 Dec. 1812 in Rutherford Co., NC and they had the following children:Jacob??; Barbara; Ann??; John; Elizabeth; & Isaac. Can send more on this family later.**Emma & Fran - Barbara Ivester1 male 10-16 - Isaac?1 male 16-26 - Hugh ? - There could have been an error in listing Hugh on his own (see below) as he was married in November 1820. Possibly Barbary still gave his name as living at home as he was just in the process of getting married.1 female 26-45 ???????1 female over 45 Presumably Barbary**Emma - I agree - Hugh is listed twice - once with his mother Barbara and once by himself. He is probably getting ready to get married. Hugh Ivester and Eve Lingerfelt marry on 30 Nov. 1820 in Lincoln Co., NC - Jacob LIngerfelt serves as bondsman.John Ivester 2 males under 101 male 16-261 female 16-26**Fran - I keep going back to John and the James mentioned earlier as possibly the "kin" who were taken in by Ivester relatives after their parents were killed by Indians.**Emma - Wish we had more on this story. Just not sure how the James fits in at all -- But John sure fits with the 1800 and 1810 census if that Barbara Icler is our Barbara.John Ivester married Elizabeth Helms on 14 July 1817 in Lincoln Co., NC - John Helms serves as bondsman. A couple married in 1817 could have 2 children under 10 by the 1820 census.**Emma - George Ivester3 males under 10 This would be Peter, William and George, Jr.1 male 26-45 George1 female under 10 Barbary1 female 26-45 Annapg. 362Hugh Ivister1 male 16-26pg. 363Since Hugh and Eve Lingerfelt were married in 1820, it could be that his mother still listed him as living at home.John Ivester2 males under 101 male 16-261 female 16-26**Fran - Again - are John and James brothers - taken in by the Ivesters?**Emma - Certainly possible - but James does not fit with the 1800 census - nor does he show up in 1820. **Emma - Barbury Ivester1 male 10-161 male 16-261 female 26-451 female 45 and up**Emma - so what do we have here...Jacob is the son of Hugh and Barbara - he is married - we have marriage record from 1812 - and has 3 children at this point in time. So this is Jacob and wife Margaret (Cline) - and their children: ????, Barbara, and possibly a daug. named Ann. Barbara Ivester -- it looks as if she is listed twice on the census -- once on page 345 and once on page 363. But both entries have the same information. 1 male 10-16 - probably George's first son Isaac by George's first wife - name not known1 male 16-26 - possibly Hugh as he does not marry until Nov. 1820. But... he then appears to have a separate listing of his own as a single male age 6-26 on page 362 1 female 26-45 - possibly Polly but.. we really do not know. Elizabeth had possibly become the wife of Peter Peeler whose will was dated 1812 and proven Jan. 1813 and lists wife Elizabeth, sons David, John, Jacob, Barnett, and daug. Nancy. But we sure do not know this for sure. We just sort of lose these two ladies (Elizabeth & Polly).1 female 45 and up - this is Barbara...John Ivester - again there appears to be 2 listings -- one on page 345 and one on page 363 and both have the same information.2 sons under 101 male 16-261 female 16-26What we do know is.... a John Ivester married Elizabeth Helms on July 14, 1817 in Lincoln Co., NC. John Helms served as bondsman. And in 1819 John Ivester served as witness to a will for a Thomas Reeder. And.. we lose John after this point in time.George Ivester3 males under 10 (Peter, George, William)1 male 26-45 (George)1 female under 10 (Barbary)1 female 26-45 (Anna)George has re-married...Again, these films are sometimes hard to read -- has anyone read them any differently....OK -- see next message -- Emma >>Now... are we all sufficiently confused.....take care - Emma

From: <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=113111222110146183062046190199121125">[email protected]</A> Date: Sun Aug 22, 1999 0:38am Subject: Hugh Ivester discussion.... Hi -- this is Emma - will try to add to the discussion and answer Fran's comments... this might bet interesting... so am doing an Emma wrote and Fran wrote type of deal since it is hard to separate the fonts sometimes... let me know if this works... HA...also -- will put my comments in italics - hope it helps...**Emma -- In 1800 Barbara is listed in the Rutherford Co., North Carolina census with the following:2 males under 10 (Could this be Hugh and the "James" mentioned farther on?) 1 male 10-16 (son Jacob)1 male 16-26 (son George) 1 female 16-26 (daug. Elizabeth or Polly)1 female 26-45 (Barbara)**Fran -- Could the 2 males under 10 possibly be Hugh and the "James" mentioned farther on.** Emma - Hugh yes -- James, probably not. James appears in the 1810 census as age 26 - 45 which would make him too old to be under age 10 in the 1800 census. **Emma - Dorothy and I believe that the 2 males under 10 are Hugh and John and that the "child my wife goes with now" turned out to be twins.**Fran(Who is John? The only John I heard of was the son of George and Anna born 1823 in Georgia. Could this be the "James" mentioned below) (This (the twins idea) is new to me. Would only one twin be named a "junior" or named after the father. I guess it's possible, but curious - and why don't we hear or see more about a John Ivester who would have been born c. 1792?). **Emma -- IN the 1790 census of Rutherford Co., Hugh is shown with 2 males under 10, and 3 females. That takes care of everyone listed in his will - wife Barbara, sons George and Jacob, and daughters Elizabeth and Polley. Then add the comment "the child my wife goes with now...."Hugh dies...In the 1800 census Barbara is listed with2 males under 10 - Hugh who moves to SC but who is this other male under 10 - can't be James from the 1810 census as the age is wrong1 male 10-16 -Jacob, who stays in NC1 male 16-26 - George who moves to Ga.1 female 16-26 - Polley - if we are right and Elizabeth has married1 female 26-45 - Barbaranow -- skip the 1810 census for right now... will talk about it later...and in the 1820 census we find... Jacob IvesterBarbara Ivester - possibly listed twice with the same informationJohn Ivester - possibly listed twice with the same informationGeorge IvesterHugh Ivester - possibly listed twice - once by himself and once with Barbara.If you look at these names and match them up then what you possibly have are four sons for Hugh and Barbara that match the 1800 census listing.GeorgeJacobHughJohnGeorge is married to Anna and has 3 sons and 1 daug.Jacob is married to Margaret and has 1 son and 2 daugtersJohn is married to Elizabeth and has 2 sons under 10Hugh is single - he marries in Nov. of 1820We have the marriage bonds for Jacob, John, and Hugh. **Fran (Janice has in her book an 1810 Rutherford census that list only: George Ivister, head of household, 1 male 0-10 (Isaac) and 1 male 26-45 (George). It does not list Anna or Barbara. George/Anna's first child, Barbary, was not born until 1812. Could the male 0-10 be Hugh and not Isaac?) Just a thought.**EmmaTheory here is that George has married - had one son - and his wife died. By 1810 he has not yet remarried to Anna. The 0-10 age would fit with Isaac's age from later census records and would be too young for Hugh since Hugh marries in 1820.**Fran - Also in Janice's book, page 12, there is an 1810 Rutherford census showing James Ivester as head of household, 1 male 16-26 (probably James), 1 female 0-10, 1 female 16-26, and 1 female 45 and up. This may be a "shirt-tail" relative. We need to find out who he was.**Emma - Yep -- and this one I do not know. So we definitely need to figure this one out. **Emma - Now lets look at the 1810 census - Rutherford Co., NC - Dorothy sent this census record.. George Ivester1 male under 10 -George's son Isaac 1 male 26-45 - George, son of Hugh & BarbaraJames Ivester1 male 26-451 female under 101 female 16-261 female 45 and upBarbara Icler1 male under 102 males 16-261 female 26-451 female 45 and up**FranJames Ivester ( unknown) I seem to recall there being something about some Ivester "kin" who were killed by Indians but their sons were spared and taken in by relatives. Could James be one of those boys? 1 male 16-26 (This could be Hugh Jr. born 1792)1 female under 10 (One of Hugh and Barbary's daughters???)1 female 16-26 (One of Hugh and Barbary's daughters???)1 female 45 and up (Barbary Ivester???)Barbara Icler (Could this be our connection to Barbary's maiden ? - possibly Barbary's mother?) 1 male under 10 Siblings of Barbary Ivester???????2 males 16-26 " " " "1 female 16-26 " " "1 female 45 and up " " "Since the above is before George married Anna Rucker, possibly he is head of household - containing his son Isaac, his mother Barbary, Barbary/Hugh's other children, and possibly Barbary's mother and younger siblings. It's a thought. We need to work on this "Icler" connection.**Emma -- I still have no idea who James is. I also tried to fit him in somewhere and did not make it. I even wondered about it being a "wrong" entry for Jacob, son of Hugh and Barbara. But the marriage bond that we have for Jacob is dated 1812, unless he also married twice and his first wife died. But look at the entry for Barbara Icler. 1 male under 10 -- this one I can't explain yet unless it is a double listing for Isaac and he was sort of living with his grandmother Barbara since his mother was evidently dead2 males 16-26 -- that means that these 2 males would have been born between 1784 and 1794 - which would fit with 2 sons being born after Hugh's will was written and would match with the 2 under 10 in the 1800 census. And, would lead well into the information found in the 1820 census as well. So could these be Hugh and John.1 female 16-26 - again - possibly Polley1 female 45 and up -- this would fit for Barbara.**Emma - Janice read the film as only listing a George and a James. And then an index that I found on line lists the following:George Ivester, Adam Iscler, and a Barbara Icler. Although I have not read it - guess I need to rent it -- apparently it is difficult to read. Have any of you seen this film and do any of you have different information from it....**Fran - I have not seen this - also would like to see the index you found online - do you remember the address? This is really getting interesting - every piece of data brings up 10 more questions. I think the key to clearing up the 1810 census submitted by Dorothy is in identifying Barbara Icler and Adam.**Emma - This Rutherford Index is on the Rutherford County pages on the GenWeb. **Fran - Here is another piece of info probably none of you want to add into the equation, but there is, in fact, yet another Ivester from this area. His name was Samuel R. Ivester, m. Lola Campbell. Although on my grandfather's side, I am descended from Hugh Ivester - on my grandmother's side, I am descended from Samuel R whose daughter, Sarah, married Elihu Waldroup - all from the same area. This actually makes me a triple Ivester - and triple confused. So... there are more Ivesters than meet the eye. Where is Sherlock Holmes when we need him.**Emma - Not sure even Sherlock could help us but would sure like to see him give it a try. How about putting your Samuel Ivester in a message....---------------------------

From: <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=132166216200196017015046036199129125067038">[email protected]</A> Date: Sat Aug 21, 1999 3:09pm Subject: Re: Theories... In a message dated 8/21/99 11:39:22 AM US Central Standard Time, <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=113111222110146031112181190043176223">[email protected]</A> writes:<< Seems to me that we have 2 theories...First one..Hugh and Barbara - children:GeorgeElizabethPolleyJacobHughThis (above) is where I am headed. See below.andHugh and Barbara - children:GeorgeElizabethPolleyJacobHughJohnI have a problem with this theory - but that could be because I never heard of John. Also never heard of James - and that is why I have a feeling that they were brothers and were the two brothers whose family was killed by Indians. Again, I think we will answer a lot of questions once we discover who Barbara Icler and Adam Icler were. At any rate, the name Barbary Icler is the very first clue to Barbary's maiden name. A good guess, at this time anyway, is that Barbary's mother and siblings could have moved in with her after the death of Hugh. Remember, the listings showing, e.g., 0-10 females and/or 16-26 males, does not name names. If Icler was indeed Barbary's family - some of those shown on the census could be her siblings. You probably all think I'm crazy - but I think I'll play around with that info for awhile. George and his family moved to Habersham Co., GaWe sort of lose Elizabeth and PolleyJacob and his family stayed in NCHugh and his family moved to SCJohn - we loseYour earlier note was the first I had ever seen about one of Hugh and Barbary's daughters marrying a Peeler. That certainly makes sense. Think I'll look around for that too. Like I said - more info - more questions. Isn't this exciting.Ok -- what do all of you have on this deal -- we are off to grocery shop - hit Sams, etc - will send more tonight -- take care everyone - Emma>>I have another question - is Jacob (son of Hugh/Barbary) the same Jacob whose descendants moved to Missouri - as in Mike's family? If not - who was that Jacob?

From: <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=132166216200196017015046036199129125067038">[email protected]</A> Date: Sat Aug 21, 1999 3:00pm Subject: Re: 2nd message In a message dated 8/21/99 11:35:05 AM US Central Standard Time, <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=113111222110146031112181190043176223">[email protected]</A> writes:Again - my response in pink - below:<< Ok -- here we go again...now go to the 1820 census - Rutherford Co., NCfirst of all - from on-line index onlyJacob IristerBarbary IvesterGeorge IvesterHugh IvesterJohn IvesterJohn Ivesterfrom microfilmpg. 345:Jacob Ivester1 male under 101 male 26-452 females under 101 female 10-16I don't have any info on Jacob.Barbara Ivester1 male 10-16 - Isaac?1 male 16-26 - Hugh ? - There could have been an error in listing Hugh on his own (see below) as he was married in November 1820. Possibly Barbary still gave his name as living at home as he was just in the process of getting married.1 female 26-45 ???????1 female over 45 Presumably BarbaryJohn Ivester 2 males under 101 male 16-261 female 16-26I keep going back to John and the James mentioned earlier as possibly the "kin" who were taken in by Ivester relatives after their parents were killed by Indians.George Ivester3 males under 10 This would be Peter, William and George, Jr.1 male 26-45 George1 female under 10 Barbary1 female 26-45 Annapg. 362Hugh Ivister1 male 16-26pg. 363Since Hugh and Eve Lingerfelt were married in 1820, it could be that his mother still listed him as living at home.John Ivester2 males under 101 male 16-261 female 16-26Again - are John and James brothers - taken in by the Ivesters?Barbury Ivester1 male 10-161 male 16-261 female 26-451 female 45 and upso what do we have hear...Jacob is the son of Hugh and Barbara - he is married - we have marriage record from 1812 - and has 3 children at this point in time. So this is Jacob and wife Margaret (Cline) - and their children: ????, Barbara, and possibly a daug. named Ann. Barbara Ivester -- it looks as if she is listed twice on the census -- once on page 345 and once on page 363. But both entries have the same information. 1 male 10-16 - probably George's first son Isaac by George's first wife - name not known1 male 16-26 - possibly Hugh as he does not marry until Nov. 1820. But... he then appears to have a separate listing of his own as a single male age 16-26 on page 362 Here is how I picture it - Hugh was preparing his own place for his marriage - the census takers listed him on his own - because he owned the land - but at the same time he was still living at home. Note - the census showing him on his own does not list a wife.1 female 26-45 - possibly Polly but.. we really do not know. Elizabeth had possibly become the wife of Peter Peeler whose will was dated 1812 and proven Jan. 1813 and lists wife Elizabeth, sons David, John, Jacob, Barnett, and daug. Nancy. But we sure do not know this for sure. We just sort of lose these two ladies (Elizabeth & Polly).1 female 45 and up - this is Barbara...John Ivester - again there appears to be 2 listings -- one on page 345 and one on page 363 and both have the same information.2 sons under 101 male 16-261 female 16-26What we do know is.... a John Ivester married Elizabeth Helms on July 14, 1817 in Lincoln Co., NC. John Helms served as bondsman. And in 1819 John Ivester served as witness to a will for a Thomas Reeder. And.. we lose John after this point in time.George Ivester3 males under 10 (Peter, George, William)1 male 26-45 (George)1 female under 10 (Barbary)1 female 26-45 (Anna)George has re-married...Again, these films are sometimes hard to read -- has anyone read them any differently....

From: <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=113111222110146183062046190199121125">[email protected]</A> Date: Sat Aug 21, 1999 12:39pm Subject: Theories... Seems to me that we have 2 theories...First one..Hugh and Barbara - children:GeorgeElizabethPolleyJacobHughandHugh and Barbara - children:GeorgeElizabethPolleyJacobHughJohnGeorge and his family moved to Habersham Co., GaWe sort of lose Elizabeth and PolleyJacob and his family stayed in NCHugh and his family moved to SCJohn - we loseOk -- what do all of you have on this deal -- we are off to grocery shop - hit Sams, etc - will send more tonight -- take care everyone - Emma

From: <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=113111222110146183062046190199121125">[email protected]</A> Date: Sat Aug 21, 1999 12:33pm Subject: 2nd message Ok -- here we go again...now go to the 1820 census - Rutherford Co., NCfirst of all - from on-line index onlyJacob IristerBarbary IvesterGeorge IvesterHugh IvesterJohn IvesterJohn Ivesterfrom microfilmpg. 345:Jacob Ivester1 male under 101 male 26-452 females under 101 female 10-16Barbara Ivester1 male 10-161 male 16-261 female 26-451 female over 45John Ivester 2 males under 101 male 16-261 female 16-26George Ivester3 males under 101 male 26-451 female under 101 female 26-45pg. 362Hugh Ivister1 male 16-26pg. 363John Ivester2 males under 101 male 16-261 female 16-26Barbury Ivester1 male 10-161 male 16-261 female 26-451 female 45 and upso what do we have hear...Jacob is the son of Hugh and Barbara - he is married - we have marriage record from 1812 - and has 3 children at this point in time. So this is Jacob and wife Margaret (Cline) - and their children: ????, Barbara, and possibly a daug. named Ann. Barbara Ivester -- it looks as if she is listed twice on the census -- once on page 345 and once on page 363. But both entries have the same information. 1 male 10-16 - probably George's first son Isaac by George's first wife - name not known1 male 16-26 - possibly Hugh as he does not marry until Nov. 1820. But... he then appears to have a separate listing of his own as a single male age 16-26 on page 3621 female 26-45 - possibly Polly but.. we really do not know. Elizabeth had possibly become the wife of Peter Peeler whose will was dated 1812 and proven Jan. 1813 and lists wife Elizabeth, sons David, John, Jacob, Barnett, and daug. Nancy. But we sure do not know this for sure. We just sort of lose these two ladies (Elizabeth & Polly).1 female 45 and up - this is Barbara...John Ivester - again there appears to be 2 listings -- one on page 345 and one on page 363 and both have the same information.2 sons under 101 male 16-261 female 16-26What we do know is.... a John Ivester married Elizabeth Helms on July 14, 1817 in Lincoln Co., NC. John Helms served as bondsman. And in 1819 John Ivester served as witness to a will for a Thomas Reeder. And.. we lose John after this point in time.George Ivester3 males under 10 (Peter, George, William)1 male 26-45 (George)1 female under 10 (Barbary)1 female 26-45 (Anna)George has re-married...Again, these films are sometimes hard to read -- has anyone read them any differently....OK -- see next message -- Emma

From: <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=113111222110146183062046190199121125">[email protected]</A> Date: Sat Aug 21, 1999 12:09pm Subject: Hugh Ivester Ok -- lets start with the basics -- we can share the more detailed information a bit later.Hugh Ivester....Probably most of us have the basic info on this one. We had all gotten to this one in one way or the other. In fact, I have been stuck there for a long time. Janice has done a really nice job of pulling all this together and hopefully we will hear from her soon and she can join us on the list.Hugh Ivester (Isbister).b. abt 1755 - Orkney Islandscame to America in 1775settled first in Rowan Co. NC and then Rutherford Co., NC.married Barbara - who and where we do not know...will written in 1791 - mentions wife Barbary; sons George & Jacob; daughters Elizabeth & Polly; and "the child my wife goes with now".will probated Jan. 1792.And here is where one of the concerns start. Simply different interpretations of same data....In 1800 Barbara is listed in the Rutherford Co., North Carolina census with the following:2 males under 10 1 male 10-16 (son Jacob)1 male 16-26 (son George)1 female 16-26 (daug. Elizabeth or Polly)1 female 26-45 (Barbara)Dorothy and I believe that the 2 males under 10 are Hugh and John and that the "child my wife goes with now" turned out to be twins. Janice isn't sure about that theory. However, we both agree that one of those under 10 males was Hugh. Fran is descended from both sons George and Hugh.Now... we have had no luck finding these folks in the 1810 census - Wouldn't you know that they would miss our group. Has anyone had any luck here....Now... the 1810 census - Rutherford Co., NC - Dorothy sent this census record..This one is a bit strange...George Ivester (Hugh and Barbara's son)1 male under 10 (George's son Isaac)1 male 26-45 (George, son of Hugh & Barbara)James Ivester ( unknown)1 male 16-261 female under 101 female 16-261 female 45 and upBarbara Icler1 male under 102 males 16-261 female 16-26 1 female 45 and upJanice read the film as only listing a George and a James. And then an index that I found on line lists the following:George Ivester, Adam Iscler, and a Barbara Icler. Although I have not read it - guess I need to rent it -- apparently it is difficult to read. Have any of you seen this film and do any of you have different information from it....Ok -- see next message -- Emma

The Civil War papers for Jacob Ivester (1839-1910) state father as being John Ivester. That's as far as we go on this line for sure. John Fahland [email protected] wrote: > > From: <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=113111222110146183062046190199121125">[email protected]</A> > Date: Sun Aug 22, 1999 2:00am > Subject: have tried to send this theories deal 3 times... > > > In a message dated 08/21/1999 1:09:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IvesterG/post?protectID=132166216200196017015098065064129241078152">[email protected] > </A> writes:I have another question - is Jacob (son of Hugh/Barbary) the same > Jacob whose descendants moved to Missouri - as in Mike's family? If not - > who was that Jacob? >>Ok Fran -- will try to answer your question above. > There are two mystery Jacob Ivester folks... Mike.. we need you here....First > of all - Mike's Jacob - here is what I have...Jacob Ivester - b. 28 mar 1839 > in NCmd.Mary Jane Carnahan on 16 Nov. 1862 Iron Co., Missouri.Interesting > enough - Mary Jane Carnahan is from my Carnahan line also so Mike and I are > related in two ways.Jacob is found on the 1850 census of Wayne Co., Missouri > as age 8 living with William C. Eddington and his wife Cary Eddington. Also > listed is Elizabeth Ivestry age 6, b. Ga. and CAry L. Ivester, age 3, b. > Ga.My best guess is that Cary Eddington was originally married to a Ivester > and that he died and she then married William C. Eddington.The age 8 in the > 1850 census does not match with the 1839 birth date but we all know census > records and that they are sometimes not accurate. He appears in the 1880 > census as age 39 and the 1900 census as age 60. And now my mystery Jacob -- > this one is Ruby's also...The 1850 census for Walker Co., Georgia shows the > following:Jacob Ivester - age 30 - farmer - b. NCNancy - age 24 - b. SCJohn - > age 5 - b. GaMonroe - age 3 - b. GaReuben - age 1 - b. Ga.Elizabeth - age 1 - > b. Ga.and the 1860 census of Craighead Co., Arkansas shows thisJacob Ivester > - age 41 - farmer - b. NCJancy E. - 30 - SCJohn A. - 15 - GaAsa M. - 13 - > Ga.Joseph H. - 4 - ArkWm. R. - 2 - Arkalso in the 1860 census for Craighead > Co., Arkansas is this familyJohn B Eason - 39 - farmer - Ga.Elmina - 28 - > SCJames - 11 - GA.John A. - 9 - Ga.Joseph H. - 3 - Ga.Asa A. - 1 - ArkSarah > Hawkins - 12 - ArkBy the way - John Eason is also in Walker Co., Ga. but I > need to copy that census record - only have an index on that one as I did not > know about the Eason connection when I searched that microfilm.This is the > Jacob Ivester family who are in Stoddard Co., Mo in 1870. And the Asa Monroe > Ivester is my great grandfather.The Elmina listed as wife of John B. Eason is > Elmina Elvira Ivester.And we believe that Nancy who is listed as the wife of > Jacob Ivester is Nancy Eason.We have also been working on the idea that John > Eason and Nancy Eason are brother and sister and Elmina Elvira Ivester and > Jacob Ivester are brother and sister.And.. the theory we have been working on > is that this Jacob Ivester and Elmina Elvira Ivester are the children of one > of Hugh & Barbara Ivester's sons. We are pretty certain they do not belong > to George. So started looking at the other 3 - Jacob, Hugh, and John (if he > is a son of Hugh). Dorothy and I have always picked John Ivester and > Elizabeth Helms as the most likely parents for these two. Common naming > patterns were to name the first son after the father's father. Jacob and > Nancy Ivester named their first son John A. Ivester and John and Elmina Eason > named their second son John A. Eason. Both families also named sons Asa and > Joseph. Janice has come up with some evidence that indicates that Jacob > Ivester - son of Hugh & Barbara - also had a son Jacob. And her theory is > really interesting.So we still have a mystery here as well.Can send more > info. on my Jacob later... just wanted to get the basics in tonight...Anyone > got any ideas???????????????Take care - Emma > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

Hi Emma Got the test note. So I guess I am actually on the list. Thanks for the test. Ruby

Ruby, I checked - you do show up as being a subscriber. But.. you should have gotten some messages by now. Please respond if you get this message. Thanks - Emma

Hi Everyone, We now have 14 people signed on to the new Ivester list at rootsweb. So I hope that the rest of you still on the yahoo list join us soon. I am going to try to start checking the old mail at yahoo and doing a copy and paste and send those messages to the rootsweb list. Apparently that is the only way to move them over but at least that will get them so that they can be used. Will only send those messages that have genealogical information in them. This will take a while and I will try to id them in some way. Thanks and take care - Emma

Welcome Deborah - We can always use a new cousin. I just read Emma's response to you so I know you have that part straightened out. The only thing I can add is that I don't believe we have proven the parents of Hugh... I haven't looked into it recently but as I recall, the dates don't fit. Our Hugh was born (at least according to the information we do have) in 1755. He came to this country in 1775 on a ship called the Marlborough - arriving in Savanah, GA. He came as an "indentured" to one Thomas Brown - a Torie. However, when Hugh arrived, Thomas Brown, who was fairly famous as a Loyalist, had been tarred/feathered and run out of town (probably to South Carolina) by the Patriots. He made a come-back though and continued with a pretty brutal reputation. Apparently Hugh did fight in the Rev. War - for the British. This could be because of a loyalty oath he was probably made to sign when he left the Orkney Islands although we don't know the real reason. Sometime after the war he was called into court to show just cause why his properties should not be confiscated. This would be because of his loyalties. If you are interested in obtaining the Ivester book, you need to contact Janice Ivester. She has written a very comprehensive book which is very-well documented and covers quite a bit of the family. She will be delighted to hear that she has more to add. Again, welcome. Frances Ivester Simonian

In a message dated 3/15/2001 11:33:59 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Now, unfortunately I have no dates in with these names, I need to find some > info. if someone can help me, I would be in appreciation..Also some added > info, go back to Rufus, he had a son Charles N.Ivester in which Charles had > a > son named Carl Ernest Ivester I am his daughter.. Hi Deborah, Lets try an outline here for some basic information. Then, I will bet some of the other folks already on the list will have some more information for you too. A very nice lady named Edna Cole is also from this same line. Rufus Nicholas Ivester - b. Feb 1875 NC - d. abt 1927 NC md Nancy S. Franklin (b. 25 Mar 1873 NC - ) children: Charles - 1894 Georgw W. - 1895 Minnie - 1899 Henry C. - 1902 Nors - 1903 Annie - 1905 Parents for Rufus Nicholas Ivester were: Henry C. Ivester - b. 15 Feb 1829 Ga - d. 1909 Clay Co., NC md Matilda Ruth Anderson on 28 Jan 1854 Haywood Co., NC Matilda was born abt 1831 children: Mary - 1857 Doctor H. - 1864 Blossom V. - 1871 Rufus Nicholas - 1875 Henry C. Ivester's parents were: Isaac Ivester - b. 27 May 1806 Rutherford Co., NC - d. 19 Mar 1901 - Haywood Co., NC md 5 Jan 1828 Habersham Co., Ga Sally Anderson - b. 10 Jan 1802 NC - d. 15 Feb 1900 Haywood Co., NC children: Henry C. - 1829 Levisa A. - 1831 Nancy Lavina - 1837 Mary Elizabeth - 1841 Barbara - 1843 Isaac Ivester's parents were: George Ivester - b. abt 1779 Rowan Co., NC - d. between 1860-1870 in Habersham Co., Georgia George Ivester married twice. Isaac is his son by his first marriage and we do not yet know the wife's name. So am afraid we do not know who Isaac's mother was. George Ivester's parents were: Hugh Ivester (Isbister) - b. abt 1755 Stromness, Orkney Islands - d. abt 1791 Rutherford Co., NC md. Barbara ???? We do not yet know Barbara's last name. Hope this helps a bit.. So glad to have you on the list. Take care - Emma

My name is Deborah, of course you should know the last name..:-) I just did some checking on some site looking up Ivester, and I started off with Rufus's father: Henry C. Ivester B. Feb. 15th 1829 in Habersham, CO. GA D. 1909 in Clay, CO... NC Military Civil War-CO. I-62 North Carolina Inf. Private-Burial Pinelog Methodist Church Cemetery, Clay, CO. NC I then found the parents of Henry: Isaac Ivester B. May 27th 1806 in Rutherford, CO. NC D. March 19, 1901, in Haywood CO. NC Mother Sara Anderson B. Jan 10th 1802 in NC D. Feb 15th, 1900 in Haywood, CO. NC The Parents of Isaac George Ivester B. 1779 in Rutherford, CO. NC D. between 1860-1870 Mother Unknown Parents of George Ivester Father Hugh Ivester(Isbister) B. 1755 Where-Stromness, Orkney Islands Scotland D. 1791-1792 Rutherford, CO. NC Mother: Barbara Now after this they had no records..now when I did some research at the genealogy society in Mesa AZ, I went further, I came up with these added names Parents of Hugh Father: David Isbister Mother: Janet Omand Parents of David Isbister Father: Alexander Isbister Mother: Jean Grinbister Parents of Alexander Isbister Father: Alexander Isbister Mother: Janet Groundwater Now, unfortunately I have no dates in with these names, I need to find some info. if someone can help me, I would be in appreciation..Also some added info, go back to Rufus, he had a son Charles N.Ivester in which Charles had a son named Carl Ernest Ivester I am his daughter..I was born Dec. 27th 1961..I have 2 brothers and 1 sister.. My father was born in Spartanburg April 4th 1939 and married in 1957 in Phoenix Az. Charles N.(Nicholas) was born Feb. 6th 1894 married I do believe it was 1927 Died 1970 or 1971 in Greenville, SC Charles was married to a woman by the name of Nola Mae Nix who was born on Aug. 19th, 1911, I do believe in Conister..so there you have it, look forward to hearing back from someone.. Deborah S. Ivester