In a message dated 10/27/2002 11:22:40 AM Central Standard Time, jfahland@cox.net writes: > Last time I spoke with him, he told me that he was basically putting > genealogy on hold until he retires. By the > way, I saw Charles Straub Christmas 2000 in Wichita, Kansas where he lives > with his daughter and son-in law. He > will be 97 years old in December. He is a great guy and told me stories > about my great grandparents John and Nora > Ivester Fahland. > > By the way Charles Straub was an early air traffic controller and his > license is number 28 for the whole history of > air traffic controlling. He is currently the oldest surviving air traffic > controller in the United States. He > once landed Charles Lindburgh in St. Louis in his early days. > > Anyway, gotta run. > > John Fahland > > > Hi John, What a neat story about Charles Straub. I imagine he could tell lots of stories of things that happened early on. Thanks also for the information on Robert. I got to meet him one time and he is very nice. I lost track of him when I had to stop genealogy for a while while mother and Shannon were both ill. I do hope he is doing well. Take care - Emma

I had the chance to take a look at the Heritage Quest subscription database service today. Didn't get a lot but did find this information: Tucson (Arizona) City Directory, 1948 - pub. by Arizona Directory Co., pg. 244 Ivester, Oren R. (Edna) car inspr PFE h 3949 E. Ft. Lowell This is Oren Romaine Ivester - son of Jesse Thompson Ivester and Annie Elizabeth Moore. Jesse Thompson Ivester was son of Isaac Ivester and Matildah Carolina Boswell. Phoenix City And Salt River Valley Directory, 1915 - pub. by Arizona Directory Co., pg. 388 Ivester, Flora r Meridian nr Grand Ivester, Jesse T. (Anna) shoes Meridian nr Grand This is the above mentioned Jesse Thompson Ivester and wife Annie Elizabeth Moore. Jessie dies in Phoenix in 1918. Flora Ivester is their daughter. Arizona State Business Directory, 1916-1917 - pub by Gazetteer Pub. & Print Co. or Denver, Co., pg. 390 - Phoenix listings Ivester, A. B., shoemaker, 127 S. 1st This is Austin Benjamin Ivester, son of that same Jesse Thompson Ivester and his 1st wife N. E. Crotts. Ok... take care everyone - Emma

I have every intention of switching to PAF -- one of these days. I think my computer is at its limit right now - so think I'll wait until I get a new one. In the meantime, I think I finally got it working. I also now know how to fix the name and I also learned how to use foreign languge symbols for those German names. It's been a great day! Thanks again. Fran

Hi Judy - Yes I am talking about FTM. However, I think I've solved the problem. When I was trying to fix a name (a typo that I didn't see until I reviewed the reports) I was blanking out the whole name and typing in the correction - and it (the monster FTM) thought I was trying to delete that person and kept telling me that I had to use the "Delete Individual" feature. Now I'm just blocking out the letters that I want to change and it simply asks me if I'm changing the spelling - I say yes - and it works. Have you ever heard the expression... "There's nothing wrong with the machine... it's the nut behind the wheel?" That's me. Fran

There is a dropdown from your toolbar that allows options to change relationship etc. But I have never in all these years had any difficulty changing the spelling of a name. In some family groups I have totally changed the spelling without any difficulties. Such as: Royal to Ryall/or Ryall to Royal. Judy

I have FTM and have not ever had that problem occur. Are you talking about FTMaker software? Judy

There is an edit function - but if it tells you how to change a name without deleting all other info - I haven't found it. This is Family Tree Maker and they are considered to be a pretty good program. I've been playing around and I think I've found a solution. If I go in and don't blank out the whole name - just highlight the letters I want to change - then it just comes back with "Are you changing the spelling" and allows the change. You know what a dummy I am. I have to fool around with this stuff for hours. The problem for me is that the "Help" topics always seem to address people who already understand what they're doing - that lets me out. Fran

In a message dated 10/28/2002 6:58:54 PM Central Standard Time, Dazyy5@aol.com writes: > Since you were kind enough to answer my last question (you set yourself up) > - > I have another: Is there a way to correct the spelling of an individual's > name without totally deleting that individual? I have some typos that > unfortunately occurred in the name and it won't let me change them without > deleting. I don't mind if I have to delete a name - but then it deletes > everything else that pertains to them and that can cause a lot of > re-entering. I'm sure there is a way - but I can't figure it out. Help! > > Please! > > Fran > > > Fran, I'm not Edna and I don't use FTM but... surely there is an "edit" option there in some way that allows corrections. If there isn't then for heavens sakes get another program.... <g>. Now.... I'll bet Edna will have something more constructive to say... LOL. Take care - Emma

Hi Fran, I am no expert with FTM. I bought the program and used it for a couple of months after which I switched to Personal Ancestral File (PAF) version 5.0. I went into FTM to see what would happen if I tried to change a name and/or the spelling of a name. I highlighted the letters hit backspace which cleared the name and typed in the corrected name. Then I hightlighed just one letter and typed in a different letter which worked also. Everything else was left intact. I am not sure if this is what you were trying to do. The reason I switched to PAF was a difficult problem with FTM which I could not resolve. I like PAF better and it can be downloaded free from Family Search. Emma could probably tell you how to switch over your present records if you are interested. Sorry to be of so little help. Edna Since you were kind enough to answer my last question (you set yourself up) - I have another: Is there a way to correct the spelling of an individual's name without totally deleting that individual? I have some typos that unfortunately occurred in the name and it won't let me change them without deleting. I don't mind if I have to delete a name - but then it deletes everything else that pertains to them and that can cause a lot of re-entering. I'm sure there is a way - but I can't figure it out. Help! Please! Fran ==== IVESTER Mailing List ==== REMEMBER: Help save space by quoting only the relative part of the message you are replying to, not the entire message. Have questions or concerns contact list administrator at Ivester-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now

Since you were kind enough to answer my last question (you set yourself up) - I have another: Is there a way to correct the spelling of an individual's name without totally deleting that individual? I have some typos that unfortunately occurred in the name and it won't let me change them without deleting. I don't mind if I have to delete a name - but then it deletes everything else that pertains to them and that can cause a lot of re-entering. I'm sure there is a way - but I can't figure it out. Help! Please! Fran

Emma, The answer to "Is this Madeline Elrod Ivester" is YES. The answer to "Is this Mamie Koon? is NO. It is Mamie Coburn, wife of Leonard Eugene Ivester, he died out of state but has a Georgia death certificate #900018, his SS# 255-10-8146 is under Eugene L. Ivester. He is the son of Thomas Almarine Ivester and Margaret A. Gabrels. Edna ENC6@aol.com wrote:Hi Everyone, Have a couple of questions. Is this Madeline Elrod - wife of Arthur L. Ivester (Jessie S. Ivester & Samantha Ayers) MADELINE IVESTER Request Information (SS-5) SSN 260-90-6315 Residence: 30577 Toccoa, Stephens, GA Born 6 Nov 1921 Last Benefit: Died 17 Apr 1996 Issued: GA (1968) AND.. is this Mamie Koon - wife of Arthur Chase Ivester (Andrew Alexander Ivester & Elizabeth Ann Franklin)? Georgia Death Index, 1970-1978 Name: Mamie C Ivester Death Date: 15 Oct 1971 Race: W Gender: F County of Death: Decatur Certificate: 031350 Age: 74 years County of Residence: Decatur --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site

Hi Everyone, Have a couple of questions. Is this Madeline Elrod - wife of Arthur L. Ivester (Jessie S. Ivester & Samantha Ayers) MADELINE IVESTER <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/ssdi/ss-5.asp?fn=MADELINE&ln=IVESTER&ss=260-90-6315&bd=6+Nov+1921&dd=17+Apr+1996">Request Information (SS-5)</A> SSN 260-90-6315 Residence: 30577 Toccoa, Stephens, GA Born 6 Nov 1921 Last Benefit: Died 17 Apr 1996 Issued: GA (1968) AND.. is this Mamie Koon - wife of Arthur Chase Ivester (Andrew Alexander Ivester & Elizabeth Ann Franklin)? Georgia Death Index, 1970-1978 Name: Mamie C Ivester Death Date: 15 Oct 1971 Race: W Gender: F County of Death: Decatur Certificate: 031350 Age: 74 years County of Residence: Decatur

Hi Everyone, Does anyone know who this screen name belongs to: garyslg@yahoo.com Their messages to the list are bouncing. I have tried to contact them and my private messages bounce as well. I don't know who this is - do any of you know and if so do you have a way of contacting them and letting them know. Thanks - Emma

Hello, Some of you might be interested in this marriage record posted on the Iron Co., Missouri message board: <A HREF="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zMB.2ACI/760">RootsWeb Message Boards - Message [ Iron ]</A> Effie Marie Fahland was the daughter of John Wesley Fahland and Nora Augusta Ivester. Nora Augusta Ivester was the daughter of Jacob Ivester & Mary Jane Carnahan. Effie Marie Fahland and Charles Straub were Robert McCombs grandparents. John.... Mike.....etal Do any of you know where Robert is now???? I have tried to contact him and apparently do not have a good address. Thanks and take care - Emma

Rob McCombs lives in Louisiana His address: 434 Pebblebrook Baton Rouge, LA 70815 Last time I spoke with him, he told me that he was basically putting genealogy on hold until he retires. By the way, I saw Charles Straub Christmas 2000 in Wichita, Kansas where he lives with his daughter and son-in law. He will be 97 years old in December. He is a great guy and told me stories about my great grandparents John and Nora Ivester Fahland. By the way Charles Straub was an early air traffic controller and his license is number 28 for the whole history of air traffic controlling. He is currently the oldest surviving air traffic controller in the United States. He once landed Charles Lindburgh in St. Louis in his early days. Anyway, gotta run. John Fahland ENC6@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > Some of you might be interested in this marriage record posted on the Iron > Co., Missouri message board: > <A HREF="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zMB.2ACI/760">RootsWeb Message Boards - Message [ Iron ]</A> > > Effie Marie Fahland was the daughter of John Wesley Fahland and Nora Augusta > Ivester. > Nora Augusta Ivester was the daughter of Jacob Ivester & Mary Jane Carnahan. > > Effie Marie Fahland and Charles Straub were Robert McCombs grandparents. > > John.... Mike.....etal > Do any of you know where Robert is now???? I have tried to contact him and > apparently do not have a good address. > > Thanks and take care - Emma > > ==== IVESTER Mailing List ==== > HINT: Make your queries more effective by including dates and locations as well as names. > Have questions or concerns contact list administrator at > Ivester-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Interesting! (Though I'm not sure I understand it all!) Lee -----Original Message----- From: Edna Cole [mailto:ednaicole@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:04 PM To: IVESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IVESTER] Question re Family Tree Program Hi Fran, Here is what the Family Tree Maker textbook p. 307-8 has to say; "Kinship: Canon & Civil---- Kinship reports list the names, relationships, and relationship degrees of the primary individual's blood relatives and their spouses, as well as the blood relatives of the primary individual's spouse(s)..... The "degree of a relationship is a legal term. It refers to the number of "steps" between two individuals who are blood relatives. The degree in Civil law represents the total number of steps through the bloodline that separate two individuals. For example, there are two steps from you to your grandparent and then two steps back down to your first cousin, so the degree is four. The degree in Canon law measures the maximum number of steps from the nearest common ancestor. Your grandparent is the the nearest common ancestor between you and your first cousin, so in this case the degree would be two. Canon law is used in most of the United States. If two individuals are related in more than one way, Family Tree Maker displays each of the relationships in the Kinship report. For example if two cousins marry, each of the relationships between them would be included." Edna Dazyy5@aol.com wrote:I have the Family Tree Maker program for entering my info but there is something I don't understand. When I print out the "kinship" chart, it shows the names, relationships, etc., Over in the right-hand column it gives (for each individual) two columns of numbers. One is "Canon" and it shows a Roman Numeral... the other is "Civil" and it has regular numbers. Does anyone know what these numbers mean? Help!!!!! Fran ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I don't even think about it!!!! Judy

Thanks, Judy. I'm beginning to understand it - finally. Fran

They are two different ways that one can numerate their genealogy. They provided both so that it is easier for all to pinpoint each relationship, according to whaich of these systems you use. Judy

Thanks so much Edna. I was pretty certain it was something like that - just didn't understand the difference between canon and civil. Once again, you came thru. Fran