No I was not, emma. Was talking about Benjamim, Hannah and Rachel. Judy

In a message dated 11/7/2002 8:16:55 PM Central Standard Time, Jvmason@aol.com writes: > Donna, I was pleased that you shared this source with us for several > reasons. > For the subject at hand concerning Rachel, and because it tickled my fancy, > > in regards to the Cherokee Application. Tho it appeared to have been > rejected, I am quite interested in the fact that there was an application. > I > would appreciate hearing about more when you look at the original. Would > be > interested in under what exact name the application was submitted and any > other details. Keep me in mind please. > Judy Mason > > > Hi Judy, I guess I missed the original message on this one but are you talking about the Nancy Lavina Ivester and William c. Crumley family? Thanks and take care - Emma

Donna, I was pleased that you shared this source with us for several reasons. For the subject at hand concerning Rachel, and because it tickled my fancy, in regards to the Cherokee Application. Tho it appeared to have been rejected, I am quite interested in the fact that there was an application. I would appreciate hearing about more when you look at the original. Would be interested in under what exact name the application was submitted and any other details. Keep me in mind please. Judy Mason

In a message dated 11/6/2002 1:07:12 PM Central Standard Time, Jvmason@aol.com writes: Yes, I am somewhat familiar with this info/census. And think that I might have some notes pertaining to this. Am also working on the Arrendales. Let me get backf to the list on this one. Interesting that we have found a Jacob B. Gable who suddenly appeared in Jackson county, Ga.-out of nowhere about the time of our Jacob's dissappearance. Judy, Wouldn't it be wild if he had two families going on at the same time.....<g>. Take care - Emma

--part1_154.171a9c37.2afbe7a0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_154.171a9c37.2afbe7a0_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <ENC6@aol.com> From: ENC6@aol.com Full-name: ENC6 Message-ID: <102.1e47b66f.2afbd19c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:24:28 EST Subject: F. C. Green & Rebecca Ivester To: ivester-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Hi Everyone, Especially Ruth, Jerry, & Gayle... <g> I played with census records again last night. You might already have this but found F. C. Green and Rebecca Ivester on the 1880 census in Montague Co., Texas. Green, F. C. - 24 - father - farmer - Tx-NC-NC B. - 19 - mother - keeps house - Ga-Ga-Ga M. L. - 1 - daughter - at home - Tx-Tx-Ga B is for Becky but do any of you know what the actual names are for F. C. and M. L. (at least I think that 2nd initial is L.). I tried every thing I could think of in terms of variations in the index and could not find Nancy Malinda Nichols Ivester anywhere - under either Ivester or Merritt. Do any of you have any idea of when she married this Merritt????? Mary Susan Ivester and William Edward Barton are in Rabun Co., Ga in 1880 and Martha Lucretia Ivester and Henry Clay Jones are in Habersham Co., Ga in 1880 and in spite of the fact that I have a marriage date for Lovicia Aveline as Jan. 1881, I think I found her and Mitchell Henry Anderson in the 1880 census of Habersham co., as well - will double check that one tonight. And.. just to place these folks - this is Jacob b. Ivester and Nancy Malinda Nichols. Jacob B. is son of George Ivester and Anna Rucker. Thanks and take care - Emma --part1_154.171a9c37.2afbe7a0_boundary--

In a message dated 11/6/2002 2:18:17 PM Central Standard Time, Jvmason@aol.com writes: > Emma-After the death of Mellberry (Arrendale) Gables/Gable, Jacob resided in > > the household of his daughter Sara Jane and her husband, THOMAS ARRENDALE, > in > Rabun County. I wish I could futher idenify this Thomas Arrendale, also. > Surley he was a distant relative of Melberry herself. I think this was > found > in the 1869 Rabun Census. > Judy > > > Judy, I think I saw another Jacob R. Gables on the census when I was hunting. Checked it and the wife's name did not match so I went on. Will go back and check again. Take care - Emma

In a message dated 11/6/2002 1:07:12 PM Central Standard Time, Jvmason@aol.com writes: > Yes, I am somewhat familiar with this info/census. And think that I might > have some notes pertaining to this. Am also working on the Arrendales. Let > > me get backf to the list on this one. > > Interesting that we have found a Jacob B. Gable who suddenly appeared in > Jackson county, Ga.-out of nowhere about the time of our Jacob's > dissappearance. Judy, Wouldn't it be wild if he had two families going on at the same time.....<g>. Take care - Emma

Hi Everyone, Especially Ruth, Jerry, & Gayle... <g> I played with census records again last night. You might already have this but found F. C. Green and Rebecca Ivester on the 1880 census in Montague Co., Texas. Green, F. C. - 24 - father - farmer - Tx-NC-NC B. - 19 - mother - keeps house - Ga-Ga-Ga M. L. - 1 - daughter - at home - Tx-Tx-Ga B is for Becky but do any of you know what the actual names are for F. C. and M. L. (at least I think that 2nd initial is L.). I tried every thing I could think of in terms of variations in the index and could not find Nancy Malinda Nichols Ivester anywhere - under either Ivester or Merritt. Do any of you have any idea of when she married this Merritt????? Mary Susan Ivester and William Edward Barton are in Rabun Co., Ga in 1880 and Martha Lucretia Ivester and Henry Clay Jones are in Habersham Co., Ga in 1880 and in spite of the fact that I have a marriage date for Lovicia Aveline as Jan. 1881, I think I found her and Mitchell Henry Anderson in the 1880 census of Habersham co., as well - will double check that one tonight. And.. just to place these folks - this is Jacob b. Ivester and Nancy Malinda Nichols. Jacob B. is son of George Ivester and Anna Rucker. Thanks and take care - Emma

Emma-After the death of Mellberry (Arrendale) Gables/Gable, Jacob resided in the household of his daughter Sara Jane and her husband, THOMAS ARRENDALE, in Rabun County. I wish I could futher idenify this Thomas Arrendale, also. Surley he was a distant relative of Melberry herself. I think this was found in the 1869 Rabun Census. Judy

The Arnold name has had a way of slipping into this information over the years. For the life of me I cannot recall the connection. The Arnolds were somehow connected briefly in time. Barby Arzeley GABRIEL did marry into the Arnold line. She married William Arnold in 1890. But the census of 1870 that you presented was much before this. In one old census we found that Melberry herself was recorded as Arnold. we had to assume that this was an error and should have been Arrendale. I am wondering if one of Jacob and Melberry Arrendale Gables children did not marry into the Arnold line. Since we have little or no info on three of these Children of Melberry's it could be that one of them had an Arnold connection. Or...did any of Jaley Ann's McClain children perhaps fall into play here!!! That could be it!!! Wish I could recall this as it has been senn and mentioned before. Evidentally it did not seem imprtant at the time of my early research. Interesting because of the Coweta County, Ga. Census. Let me see what I can find in my small amout of McClain info. You know that this is going to drive me crazy, now-don't ya! Judy

Yes, I am somewhat familiar with this info/census. And think that I might have some notes pertaining to this. Am also working on the Arrendales. Let me get backf to the list on this one. Interesting that we have found a Jacob B. Gable who suddenly appeared in Jackson county, Ga.-out of nowhere about the time of our Jacob's dissappearance. The family with this new info states that Jacob. was in the war and quotes the same miliary material on him. the age is right too, for our Jacob. Only one problem is, after much research, is that Jacob and Jaley Ann had one last daughter who was born on a date that indicates Jacob must have still been around at that exact time. Honestly if really sounds like the same man! But, the daughter kind of says something. Unless Jacob was playing around in another county! and decided after the last child to jus disappear. There is a marriage licence in Jackson county for this marriage there, and this Jackson Co. Jacob had two children. Born after this marriage. Here is the crazy thing-the family there knew little of Jacob as he did not talk much about any family. But they state that he said he was born in S.C. Probably not him, but who knows! Back with theother info in a while, Judy

HI Everyone, Found an interesting census record concerning Jalen Ann Ivester and 2nd husband Jacob R. Gables. The 1870 census of Clayton, Rabun Co., Ga - pg. 221A has this family: Gobles, Jacob - 42 - farmer - Ga Ann - 35 - keeping house - Ga Eliza - 14 - at home - Ga Nancy - 12 - at home - Ga McClain, Littleton - 15 - Farm Laborer - Ga Jessie - 12 - Farm Laborer - Ga Davie - 10 - Farm Laborer - Ga Henry - 8 - Ga Zealy - 6 - Ga This census was taken on Aug. 23, 1870 Now... most folks probably already have that census. But... remember that family "tradition" that says Jacob was working away from home during the week as a school teacher and brickmason. One weekend he failed to return home and was never heard from again. It is thought that he was possibly robbed and murdered. Well..... found this census record: 1870 - Aug. 22 - Newman, Coweta Co., Georgia - pg. 221B Arnold, James - 65 - farmer - SC Gable, Jacob - 46 - school teacher - SC Arnold, Martha - 38 - house keeper - NC Sarah - 19 - at school - ga Franklin - 17 - at school - Ga What do you want to bet that this is the same Jacob Gables. Then... if anyone is interested in these - 1870 - Rabun Co., Ga Thomas Gables 1870 - Hall Co., Ga Hiram Gabriels Both sons of Jacob and first marriage. Has anyone found Sarah Jane, Joseph, or Warren yet. They are also children of Jacob and his 1st marriage to Melberry Arrendale. Thanks and take care - Emma

yes, that is right

In a message dated 11/4/2002 10:32:41 AM Central Standard Time, SodaPop311@aol.com writes: > > Emma, I would thinkElsee is Elsa Mae Ivester. > > > Thanks so much for the response and could I check something with you on this one. I show Elsa Mae Ivester (Elsy) - daughter of Joseph Newton Ivester and Josephine Fry as married to Henry Allen. Is that what you have too???? Thanks again - Emma

In a message dated 11/4/2002 3:21:07 PM Central Standard Time, ednaicole@yahoo.com writes: > Next: > I need to give you corrections on Mattie Mae Ivester (d/o Geo. Washington > Ivester, s/o William Craig, s/o George Lester, s/o George,Jr) who married > Joe Fred Rider. > Joe Fred Rider was b. 4 Jul 1911 Stephens County, GA; d. 14 Aug 1974 > Stephens GA; Buried Old Toccoa Bapt Ch Habersham County, GA; SS# > 260-52-0776 issued GA. He was the s/o Henry Frederick Rider and Sarah Jane > Carter. > married:(date and place ?) > Mattie Mae Ivester b. 8 Oct 1925 Olney, Graham, TX; d. 19 Jul 2000 Toccoa, > Stephens, GA; Buried Old Toccoa Bapt Ch Habersham County, GA; > SS#259-54-1033 Issued GA. d/o George Washington Ivester and Emma Stone. > Hi Edna, Thanks also for the corrections on Mattie Mae Ivester and Joe Fred Rider. I do have a marriage record for them. 25 Dec 1941 in Stephens Co., Georgia. I got this date from marriages listed on the Stephens Co., Georgia USGenWeb Archives site. And... yep.. sure did get the picture. For right now I have just printed it out on my laser printer but will do a better job when I get near a better printer. Neat... neat picture and thanks so much for sending it. It's great. Take care - Emma

In a message dated 11/4/2002 3:21:07 PM Central Standard Time, ednaicole@yahoo.com writes: > > The 1930 Census shows Lida's marital status as M (married). Maybe they were > separated or he was sick and in a hospital somewhere. Now a question for > you, Where are all her other children who would be younger than Robert and > Agnes? I haven't found records of them. Have you? > > Hi Edna, Thanks so much for the info. As for John Hugh King and Eliza Ella (Lida) Ivester's children here is what I have so far concerning the 1930 census: 1. Johnnie Merle King - b. Sept. 16, 1913 and d. 11 Oct 1914 - therefore not on 1930 census 2. Agnes Lida King - on 1930 census with mother Lida King 3. Robert Earle King - on 1930 census with mother Lida King 4. Henry Alexander King - Is on the 1930 census living with John B. Hill and Leitha R. 1930 - clarkesville, Habersham Co., Georgia - ED #1 - pg. 3A - 50/54 - image #5 Hill, John B. - head - 61 - md - Ga-Ga-NC - Blacksmith own shop Leitha R. - wife - 61 - md - Ga-Ga-NC King, Henry A. - nephew - 9 - s - Ga-Ga-Ga John B. Hill and Leitha R. are really John B. Hill and Elizabeth Arletha Ivester. Elizabeth Arletha Ivester is daughter of William Ivester & Levina Ivester and grandaughter of George Ivester and Anna Rucker. 5. Anne Kate King - b. 22 Oct 1922 - have not found her on 1930 census yet 6. John Hill King - b. 5 Oct 1925 - have not found him on 1930 census yet. Any ideas where they might be??? I have checked every John King in the Georgia index for 1930. Take care - Emma

Emma, Here is what I have regarding Question 1: Yes they are Elsie Lee..... Elsie Lee Ivester: b. 14 May 1916, Oglethorpe County, Ga; d. 27 Dec 1989 Stephens County, GA, resided in Habersham County, GA; Buried Mount Zion Bapt Ch Cem. Turnersville, Habersham County, GA; SS#256-19-8227 Issued GA; Georgia Deaths D/C 051032- Age 73 years. d/o Edward William (or Wiley) Ivester and Ianthia "Anthia" Dover; m. 17 Aug 1936 to Claude L. Ivester b. 1 Oct 1913, Habersham County, GA; d 18 Jan 1976 Habersham County, GA; Buried Mount Zion Bapt Ch Cem Turnersville, Habersham County, GA; SS#253-3436040 Issued GA, Georgia Deaths D/C 002022; Age 62 years. s/o William Henry Ivester and Amanda Vandiver. Re. Question 2: Eliza Ella "Lida" Ivester b. 18 Dec 1885 Habersham County, GA; d. 17 May 1981 Gwinnett County, GA; Buried New Liberty Meth Ch Habersham County, GA; SS# 258-16-8409 Issued GA; m. 18 Feb 1912 Decatur County, GA (Decatur Marriage Index) John Hugh King b. 5 May 1885; d. 20 May 1931 Decatur County, GA; Buried Demorest City Cem.; Habersham County, GA. The 1930 Census shows Lida's marital status as M (married). Maybe they were separated or he was sick and in a hospital somewhere. Now a question for you, Where are all her other children who would be younger than Robert and Agnes? I haven't found records of them. Have you? Next: I need to give you corrections on Mattie Mae Ivester (d/o Geo. Washington Ivester, s/o William Craig, s/o George Lester, s/o George,Jr) who married Joe Fred Rider. Joe Fred Rider was b. 4 Jul 1911 Stephens County, GA; d. 14 Aug 1974 Stephens GA; Buried Old Toccoa Bapt Ch Habersham County, GA; SS# 260-52-0776 issued GA. He was the s/o Henry Frederick Rider and Sarah Jane Carter. married:(date and place ?) Mattie Mae Ivester b. 8 Oct 1925 Olney, Graham, TX; d. 19 Jul 2000 Toccoa, Stephens, GA; Buried Old Toccoa Bapt Ch Habersham County, GA; SS#259-54-1033 Issued GA. d/o George Washington Ivester and Emma Stone. You probably know this but in case: Emma remarried after George's death to William McKinley Phillips who outlived her and remarried for a third time after she died. Mattie Mae remarried a Jack Ayers. Her obit does not mention him. Sorry if I gave you wrong info. Hope this helps. BTW did you get the family picture? Edna ENC6@aol.com wrote:There is an Elsee Ivester - b. abt 1917 - daughter of Edward William Ivester and Anthia Dover - from the George Ivester and Nancy Whistenant line thru Pinkney Alston. It appears that she married an "Ivester". Then... there is a Claude L. Ivester - b. 1 Oct 1913 - son of William Henry Ivester and Amanda VanDiver - from the Peter Ivester and Nancy Kinney line. It appears that he married a Elzie Lee Ivester. Is Elsee Ivester and Elzie Lee Ivester the same person??????? Ok Question number 2: Eliza Ella (Lida) Ivester - daughter of Andrew Alexander Ivester & Elizabeth Ann Franklin - from the William Ivester & Levina Ivester line... Eliza Ella md a John Hugh King and the d. date I have for him is 21 June 1931. I imagine that Janice got this from the tombstone. Unfortunately sometimes tombstones have a problem... . Anyway... in the 1930 census Lida is shown as age 43 and a widow with daughter Agnes and son Robert. Anyone know what his d. date might be???? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now

Emma, I would thinkElsee is Elsa Mae Ivester.

WOW... We are all sure quiet. Everyone must be out doing their Christmas shopping early.... right.... <g> Ok.. have a couple of questions for all of you. There is an Elsee Ivester - b. abt 1917 - daughter of Edward William Ivester and Anthia Dover - from the George Ivester and Nancy Whistenant line thru Pinkney Alston. It appears that she married an "Ivester". Then... there is a Claude L. Ivester - b. 1 Oct 1913 - son of William Henry Ivester and Amanda VanDiver - from the Peter Ivester and Nancy Kinney line. It appears that he married a Elzie Lee Ivester. Is Elsee Ivester and Elzie Lee Ivester the same person??????? Ok.. question number 2: Eliza Ella (Lida) Ivester - daughter of Andrew Alexander Ivester & Elizabeth Ann Franklin - from the William Ivester & Levina Ivester line... Eliza Ella md a John Hugh King and the d. date I have for him is 21 June 1931. I imagine that Janice got this from the tombstone. Unfortunately sometimes tombstones have a problem... <g>. Anyway... in the 1930 census Lida is shown as age 43 and a widow with daughter Agnes and son Robert. Anyone know what his d. date might be???? Thanks and take care - Emma Oh... have fun shopping!!!!!!!

In a message dated 11/1/2002 8:04:35 AM Central Standard Time, tmdyer@alltel.net writes: > I don't personally think this is the same George Ivester. Peters' son was > my g-g-grandfather and his son Charlie had no sisters with these names, > according to my grandfather. > > Tresa M. Dyer > > Thanks Tresa, That helps - now we just need to figure out who this George is..... <g>. Thanks again - Emma