The Trial and the Goingsnake Massacre Knowing Zeke's social standing and being held in high esteem for his work for the Indian Territory Mary's family was up in arms as they did not trust the Cherokee Court system to try Ezekiel Proctor and convict him. Since manslaughter was not a charge in those days and he was guilty of assault on a white man the Beck's wanted Zeke tried in Federal Court at Ft. Smith Arkansas according to white man's law. Mary's family wanted to see him hang for her death. The trial was put off more than one time by each side arguing over who would be the trial judge. The trial was finally set for April 15th and the judge would be Black Hawk "Cornick" Sixkiller. Just about everyone in Indian Territory took sides in this matter and feelings were running high. The court expected trouble of some kind during the trial, so it was decided to move it out of the Goingsnake District Court House to the Whitmire School. The thought was that with fewer doors and windows it would be easier to defend in case of trouble. The head of the family, Aaron Beck, who at one time had been good friends with Zeke, warned his family, armed or unarmed, to stay away from the trial and let the authorities handle it. Some members of the Beck family convinced James Kesterson to go to Fort Smith Arkansas and seek a writ for the arrest of Proctor for assault with the intent to kill. He did this on April 11th. After James filed the writ he disappeared and no one knows what happened to him. The court sent two deputy marshals with the writ for arrest to the trial. They were only to arrest Zeke if he was found not guilty. Several Beck family members had accompanied Kesterson to Ft. Smith and they returned with the Deputy Marshals to Indian Territory and thus to the Whitmire School and arrived just after the trial had began. The Judge sat at a small table at the rear of the one room schoolhouse facing the door to the west. Joe Starr, the court clerk, sat to the Judge's left and Mose Albberty, Proctor's attorney, sat to the right of the Judge. Proctor was sitting next to his attorney and one of his guards stood near him. The jury sat to one side of the room. The one room schoolhouse was packed with spectators and many that could not get in were milling around the building on the outside. Just as the trial began the Deputy Marshals and the Beck posse arrived. There were 4 guards outside of the building to keep out unwanted intruders. Deputy Owens told the posse not to try and enter the courtroom and remain peaceably outside until the court's decision was made. Surry Eaton Beck seemed to take command of the posse as they neared the building. There were other family members and friends who were waiting and the two groups merged as they went to the door of the school. Surry or "White Sut" Beck had a double-barreled shotgun and he forced his way inside and others followed and the guards were over powered. They burst into the courtroom, guns in hand. "Sut" aimed his shotgun at Zeke. Johnson Proctor, Zeke's older brother, grabbed the gun barrel and one of the barrels went off and he received the full charge in the chest and immediately died. The other barrel then went off wounding Zeke in the lower leg below the knee. Zeke grabbed a guard's gun and began to fire it. Then Pandemonium broke out as the Beck and Proctor factions fired wildly. The fight lasted about 15 minutes and the wounded, dead and near dead lay everywhere inside and outside of the school. Most of the Beck faction fled and so did just about everyone who could get on a horse and ride. Nine were killed outright and two died the next day. An unknown number had minor wounds. William Beck and Deputy Owens were mortally wounded and were carried across the street to a private home where they died a short time later. Owens stated before he died that he tried to stop the battle but could not. The lady who owned the house across the street got her sons to hitch up the mules to the wagon and with the help of others loaded the wagon with the dead. They laid them out on their front porch till family members could come and claim the bodies. The wounded were taken inside and treated, the best she could by Mrs. Whitmire who was a widow. The dead were: 1. Johnson Proctor 2. Samuel Beck 3. Jesse "Black Sut" Beck (my great grandmother's first husband. She was left with a son about a year old. Her mother had died in February at the mill and now her husband was gone too.) 4.Defense Attorney, Mose Alberty 5. Andy Palone 6. William Hicks 7. Jim Ward 8. George Selvidge (married to Sabra Beck) 9. Riley Woods The court reconvened the next day and Zeke was acquitted of all charges. He knew that the Beck's would be hunting him down, so he disappeared with his close friends and hid out for several months. Here is an eye witness account from a reporter who arrived late and just after the shooting was over. This appeared in the CHEROKEE ADVOCATE newspaper on 20 April 1872. The reporter got to the trial right after all the shooting had stopped. He describes the carnage that was left after it was over. Terrible tragedy----Attack upon a Cherokee court. >From time to time we have chronicled the postponement of the case of Ezekiel Proctor charged with the murder of (Mary) Polly Hildebrand, the last trial being set to come off last Monday, the 15th instant. We had business there, and arrived about half past 1 o'clock. And what a sight met our gaze when we rode up to the small school-house where the court had been called. Three men were lying just before the door-step in those negligent and still postures so terrifying to the living. Dark pools of blood issuing from each told the horrible story of the manner of their death. In the house, lying side by side, with their hats over their faces, lay three more bodies----one, all that was left of an old and valued friend (This may have been Mose Alberty the defending attorney). A few steps off, to the right of the door, lay the body of a man with light hair and blue eyes, which betokened his white extraction (probably George Selvidge). Next to the chimney, behind the house, was another, and near by, partly supported against the wall, was aman groaning in the anguish of a desperat wound 9probably William Beck). In the bushes, a little further off, was yet another corpse of a youth who had staggered there to die. Looking at the living we saw the presiding judge, B. H. Sixkiller, with his wrist bandaged, where he had been seriously wounded by two bullets. The prisoner was limping about with a bullet in the bone of his leg below the knee. Others were wounded more or less. At the nearest residence was lying, desperately wounded, Deputy Marshal Owens, a man generally respected on both sides of the "line". Some of the badly wounded we did not see, they having fled or been taken care of by their friends. The spectacle which harrowed our sight was the most awful, without any comparison, that we have ever witnessed." A tug of war began between the Federal Government and the Cherokee Nation over their ability to conduct court business. The Federal court system wanted Zeke tried in Ft. Smith and the Cherokee Government felt that the feds had interfered in their business. There was right and wrong on both sides. A report was sent to the President of the US and Congress. Finally, after a lot of wrangling the Federal Government said if you will not arrest Sut Beck for the killing of Johnson Proctor and the wounding of Zeke we will not arrest Zeke for the murder of Mary Beck Kesterson and the wounding of James Kesterson. And there it ended. Zeke Proctor and Sut Beck did all they could to avoid each other for many years. In the 1890s they met accidentally at the Courthouse in the Cherokee Capitol in Tahlequah, OK. They shook hands and each went on their way without any trouble. It was finally was over but it will never be forgotten. Because the Federal Government felt the Cherokee Government could not govern itself they pushed the process for statehood forward and Oklahoma became a state sooner than was originally intended.

EZEKIEL (Zeke) PROCTOR Ezekiel was born 4 July 1831 to a white man, William Proctor, and a mixed blood Cherokee woman, Dicey Downing. At age seven Zeke traveled the Trail of Tears with his siblings and parents. The family settled in Goingsnake District about 10 miles from the Hildebrand-Beck mill. Zeke married Rebecca Mitchell, Stephen Hildebrand's niece. Rebecca was the daughter of Rachel Hildebrand and Reece T. Mitchell. Rachel is the sister of Stephen so Zeke was related by marriage to the Hildebrand's and the Beck's. Zeke served in the Civil War on the Union side. Mary's relatives mostly served with the Confederate Cherokee Mounted Rifles led by General Stand Watie. After the war there was still a great deal of tension between the two factions and this added fuel to the fire between the Proctors and Becks. Zeke applied for a pension on May 5, 1901 stating in the application that he was lame in both ankles, deaf, suffering from rheumatism in his right shoulder caused from a wound he received while serving. He was a very respected person and served the Cherokee Nation and his district as a Sheriff, federal Marshall and Senator while being a farmer and cattleman. According to Dr. Virgil Berry in a "Chronicles of Oklahoma" article, Zeke was "typical of the old warrior type. He was of stoic meim, reserved to the point of austerity, even in contact with his own race. Social intercourse with white people was unknown to him. He was rather tall, straight as an arrow, with his long black hair draping down over his shoulders. His hair was worn loose, brushed behind his ears, not braided as many Indians did in those days. His eyes were perhaps as perfect as any human eyes ever were. He could see and hear to a superlative degree, as almost his entire life was lived dodging real or imaginary enemies. On his infrequent trips to various trading points, he shunned the highways of that day. He went afoot or on horseback though the forest trails, and always returned by a different route. One of his trading points was the small village of Cincinnati, Arkansas, about 6 miles east of the Indian Territory line not far from what is now Westville, OK. An old citizen of Cincinnati, long since dead, told me he had seen Zeke arrive in the village several times. He was always alone, always passed anyone as far as possible on the street, and on entering a store, never allowed him self to be placed with his back to anyone. His purchases, which consisted of a few simple items such as coffee, tobacco, salt, soda, etc., were quickly made, and he immediately left for his home in the Indian Territory." He always carried a shotgun and wore a-six-shooter on each hip wherever he went. In other words he was always armed to the teeth. He was popular with the ladies for he fathered two children outside of marriage with two different women. He married Rebecca Mitchell and had five children with her, three of which were triplets that were born in 1872. Rebecca died a few months after their birth. Zeke was left to raise the five children. He married twice more before he died on 18 Feb 1907 of pneumonia. He is buried in the Johnson Cemetery not far from his home along with other family members. DEATH AT THE MILL One day Zeke dropped by to visit his sister Elizabeth. He was surprised to find her and her children alone and hungry with not much of anything in the house to eat. He learned that her husband, James Kesterson, had deserted her and their children. He took Elizabeth and her children to live with other family members. There is no record of why James left his family and moved out. Ezekiel Proctor was very angry with James for leaving his sister in this condition. After leaving Elizabeth, James had found a job with Mary Hildebrand and later married her. Story has it that on Tuesday, 13 February 1872, Zeke with his wife and children while possibly visiting other family or friends in the area, may have thought it to be a good time to have a talk with Mr. Kesterson and decided to visit the mill. He dropped by the local watering hole and had a few drinks to help fortify him before he reached the mill. Also some people say Zeke had received complaints that Mary and James had been letting their cattle run loose and they were destroying crops of nearby farmers. When Zeke arrived at the mill it didn't take long before he and James were in a heated argument. James reached for his gun but Zeke, being faster, beat him to the draw. Mary, who was trying to stop the men from fighting jumped in front of her husband, James, placing herself between the two men just as Zeke's finger pulled the trigger and discharged the 45. Mary caught the bullet in the chest and fell between the two mortally wounded leaving James a widower. Zeke fired off two more shots at James putting two holes in his coat as he fled to the second floor of the mill not knowing if Mary was dead or alive. He was also wounded by one of those two bullets. Zeke knowing he had committed a crime went to the neighbor's house and confessed to his family what he had done. He then went to the home of Jack Wright the current Sheriff of the Goingsnake District to turn himself in. Being there were no jails Zeke was sent home with guards until his trial. CONTINUED IN NEXT E-MAIL

EZEKIEL PROCTOR THE MILL SHOOTING AND THE GOINGSNAKE MASSACRE Glee Krapf gave this talk to her DAR chapter in October 2003 Was published in THE GOINGSNAKE MESSENGER VOL XXI #1 2004 on page 12-16 ------------------------------------------------------------- First, I am going to give you a short biography of Mary Beck Hildebrand Kesterson and Ezekiel Proctor. Then I will tell you about how they are linked together and how they and some others changed the History of Ok. This is a little known story outside of Northeast OK and should be as famous as the Fight at the OK Corral, but it has been lost as a footnote in the history of the west. Indian Territory was a wild and wooly area. The Cherokee government was in charge but they did not have the manpower or the money to police it like it should have been. It was over run by outlaws and after the Civil War the Federal Government set up a white run court at Ft. Smith, AR. Deputy Marshals hunted down wanted men and brought them to Ft Smith to be tried. The only Judge for the court, Isaac Parker, became famous and was known as "Hanging Judge Parker". Whites were not allowed into Indian Territory without permission from the court, but most people did not bother to get written permission and the Indian government was unable to enforce the law. The Indian Courts were to try their own people. If a white man married an Indian woman he became part of the tribe and could be tried in an Indian Court. Quite often the courts were soft on their own people and they were often acquitted. It was not a lawless society but it got that reputation because the law was not always enforced like it should have been. Intermarrying within the tribe was not uncommon and it was often hard to find impartial court officials and jurors. All of these factors enter into the story. MARY "POLLY" BECK HILDEBRAND KESTERSON Mary was born about 1820 in Georgia. She was the last child of Jeffrey Beck,III and Susannah Buffington. Mary was my 2nd great grandmother. Jeffrey died when Mary was a young child and Susannah then married Surry Eaton on 11 March 1824 in Hall Co., GA. Mary married Aaron Downing, date unknown. When she received subsistence money for moving west to Indian Territory in 1838 she was listed as Polly Downing. This leads me to believe that by this time her and Aaron were no longer married. Her Mother (Susannah Buffington Beck Eaton), stepfather (Surry Eaton), their children and their slaves are listed with her so it is probable they all traveled together on the Trail of Tears. I have not found records showing what wagon train unit they were on but since they had slaves they were, at the very least, well to do. It is possible they formed their own unit with other relatives and moved west on their own outside of the main units. Conditions were poor on the forced march and they may have reached Indian Territory before the forced marched units arrived. Mary married her third (2nd husband was probably James Chrittenden, according to Emmet Starr, but cannot find records to prove this.) husband, Stephen Hildebrand, who was from east TN before 1851. Stephen came over the Trail of Tears with his first wife, Mary Potts, and their daughters. His first wife died about 1848. Mary Beck and Stephen were listed on the Drennen Roll (census) in 1851 but his two daughters are not listed with them. On 20 July 1852, when Mary was about 32, they had their first child, Julia Ann Hildebrand, my Great Grandmother. On 12 December 1859 they had another daughter, Susan Cherokee Hildebrand. They bought a flour and wood saw mill in Goingsnake District on Flint Creek in the 1850s from Mary's Aunt and Uncle Towers. Jeremiah Clinton Towers was married to Elizabeth Buffington the sister of Susannah Buffington, Mary's mother. Jeremiah was wealthy and moved his slaves west with his family. He built the mill with slave labor and he and his wife are buried in the mill graveyard. During the Civil War the mill was taken over by Union Troops and used as a prison for Confederate Troops. It is not known if Mary, Stephen and their children stayed at the mill during the war or left the area like many other Indians. Stephen died on 10 Jan 1867. In 1869, two years after Stephen's death; Mary was given permission by District Court Judge, George Washington Whitmire, to hire a white man, James Kesterson, to help her run the mill. Goingsnake Marriages show that on 18 May 1871, James married Mary. James now was subject to the laws of the Cherokee Nation. Mary died 13 February 1872 at the mill where she is buried in an unmarked grave near other family members. Her death set off a chain of events that changed the future of Indian Territory. Indian Territory did not have counties. It was divided up into several districts. My family mainly lived in Goingsnake district witch is now Delaware County. OK. My grandmother (Willora Cleora Josephine Bee daughter of Julia Ann Hildebrand and grand daughter of Mary Beck) and her husband (Benjamin Calvin Neel) later moved to Cherokee Co., OK and that was Tahlequah District before statehood. That is the county where my mother (Jewell Neel Van Osdol) was born. CONTINUED IN THE NEXT E-MAIL

The Trial and the Goingsnake Massacre Thank you so very much for sharing this with all of us. It takes us back in time to our very rich Oklahoma history which is so important to preserve. Linda McPherson Arkansas

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Elijah W. ROBERTS, born Aug 12 1815 in Ky.died 20 Jan.1896 Married Nancy A. VILES born 21 sept 1822 in Indiana died 20 may 1864. Nancy Viles was the daughter of Martha BANTA and Willian VILES. Elijah and Nancy ROBERTS Children; Marthey Jane. born Indiana 1839 Artamesa. born 1849 Sarai Ann. born 1842 Willam. born 1844 in polk co.Missouri John born 1846 "" "" Marion born 1849 "" "" Elizabeth born 1851 "" "" Henery born 1853 "" "" Eva born 1857 "" "" The VILES and BANTA connect with being the partens of Nancy A.VILES. The PRATER connection is with Nellie Mae PRATER and her brother William being raised by their grandfather Elijah W. ROBERTS. Nellie Mae PRATER was born 22 Feb 1874 in Tarrant co FT.Worth Texas. Edna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glee Krapf" <gleek@ptd.net> To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [IT-INDIAN] MITCHELL,JENKINS ,PRATER,ROBERTS,BANTA,VILES > The Banta line is Netherland Dutch. I have quite a bit on my Banta line > but without any first names cannot do anything for you. You need to > provide first names and some dates for anyone to be able help you. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edna Montgomery" <bmontgomery001@charter.net> > To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:44 PM > Subject: [IT-INDIAN] MITCHELL,JENKINS ,PRATER,ROBERTS,BANTA,VILES > > >> MITCHELL,JENKINS ,PRATER,ROBERTS,BANTA,VILES >> >> >>> MITCHELL /JENKINS >>> MITCHELL/PRATER ... PRATHER >>> ROBERTS/PRATER ..... PRATHER >>> BANTA/ROBERTS >>> BANTA/VILES >>> >>> These are my lines and any information on this line would be so needed. >>> Edna >> >> >> ==== IT-INDIAN Mailing List ==== >> To subscribe to our Chat list please send a message to >> IT-INDIAN-CHAT-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word subscribe or >> to subscribe to the digest mode, send the command instead to >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ==== IT-INDIAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, please send the command "unsubscribe" to > IT-INDIAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > IT-INDIAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

The Banta line is Netherland Dutch. I have quite a bit on my Banta line but without any first names cannot do anything for you. You need to provide first names and some dates for anyone to be able help you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna Montgomery" <bmontgomery001@charter.net> To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: [IT-INDIAN] MITCHELL,JENKINS ,PRATER,ROBERTS,BANTA,VILES > MITCHELL,JENKINS ,PRATER,ROBERTS,BANTA,VILES > > >> MITCHELL /JENKINS >> MITCHELL/PRATER ... PRATHER >> ROBERTS/PRATER ..... PRATHER >> BANTA/ROBERTS >> BANTA/VILES >> >> These are my lines and any information on this line would be so needed. >> Edna > > > ==== IT-INDIAN Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to our Chat list please send a message to > IT-INDIAN-CHAT-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word subscribe or > to subscribe to the digest mode, send the command instead to > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

MITCHELL,JENKINS ,PRATER,ROBERTS,BANTA,VILES > MITCHELL /JENKINS > MITCHELL/PRATER ... PRATHER > ROBERTS/PRATER ..... PRATHER > BANTA/ROBERTS > BANTA/VILES > > These are my lines and any information on this line would be so needed. > Edna

We have 2 or 3 connection to the Golden family in Cherokee Nation of Echota area of Al. prior to 1850`s. I just wondered when the Golden families intermarried with NA. If someone has the Book: THE CHEROKEE INDIAN NATION: A TROUBLED HISTORY by Duane H. King I would appreciate a Look up. I think there is an article or a footnote therein about the excavation of the Golden Family (may have been "Gold") farm and also states that the family was Native American. There is some connection to the Chief Ross family but I haven`t found exactly where it is other than his sister, Elizabeth, married someone with the name "Golden". Our Golden connection comes in on an Eliza Butler, who married Moses Lafayette Holcomb and was the dau. of John Samuel (or Sampson) Butler and wife, Epsey Golden, who was said to be NA. Also, I think a grand dau. married a Golden. These families lived around Ball Play, Turkeytown, in Cherokee and Benton Co. Al. which "was" Cherokee Territory and later, about 1855, is known as Calhoun co. Any input appreciated Sue in Al.

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We have added 2 new Indian books to our collection this week. Sign Language Among North American Indians Compared with that Among Other Peoples and Deaf-Mutes http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/signlanguage.htm Personal Memoirs of a Residence of Thirty Years with the Indian Tribes on the American Frontiers http://www.nanations.com/personal-memoirs.htm This is by Henry Schoolcraft. We have the first 36 chapters online and should finish this next week. We updated Massasoit of the Wampanoags http://www.nanations.com/massasoit/ a great deal of history on the Improved Order of the Red Man of Massachusetts Thanks Judy New sites to visit: Reading Tea Leaves http://www.readingtealeaves.info/ Garden Herbs http://www.gardenherbs.org/ Fishing Facts http://www.fishingfacts.info/

This link will take you to the information listed below as it is already available on line in its entirety. There are links to all the American tribes etc, and their myths, sacred formulas, etc.These are the records of the Bureau of Ethnology as pertains to the various tribes. It is free and no advertisements. You can access it all including the info on the website www.nanations.com from the sacred texts site listed below. No need to wait or miss any of it. Will http://www.sacred-texts.com/nam/cher/sfoc/ Judy White <jwhite@loganet.net> wrote: I have just started transcribing The Cherokee Nation of Indians, from Bureau of Ethnology, Volume 5, Cherokee Nation of Indians, 1883-84. This is a 600+ page book so this will take a while. I have found some real interesting info on treaties in the pages I have completed so far. http://www.nanations.com/cherokee_nation.htm The Traditions of the Seneca http://www.nanations.com/traditions_of_seneca.htm A new website Indian Mythology, Stories, tales and legions http://www.indianmythology.org/ As I find more time I will be adding more myths. If any of you have some you would like to share, please let me know. Please pass on any of the links that you think will help others!! Judy Just for Fun Reading Tea Leaves http://www.readingtealeaves.info/ Fishing Facts http://www.fishingfacts.info/ ==== IT-INDIAN Mailing List ==== To subscribe to our Chat list please send a message to IT-INDIAN-CHAT-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word subscribe or to subscribe to the digest mode, send the command instead to ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx Descendant of tsi-mi quu-sa-li Peek, 1780-1835 of Gu’nahi Tun’yi, Chickamagua Warrior and a Captain of the Cherokee Light Horse Patrol 1808-1835, Old Cherokee Nation-East --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1&cent;/min.

I have just started transcribing The Cherokee Nation of Indians, from Bureau of Ethnology, Volume 5, Cherokee Nation of Indians, 1883-84. This is a 600+ page book so this will take a while. I have found some real interesting info on treaties in the pages I have completed so far. http://www.nanations.com/cherokee_nation.htm The Traditions of the Seneca http://www.nanations.com/traditions_of_seneca.htm A new website Indian Mythology, Stories, tales and legions http://www.indianmythology.org/ As I find more time I will be adding more myths. If any of you have some you would like to share, please let me know. Please pass on any of the links that you think will help others!! Judy Just for Fun Reading Tea Leaves http://www.readingtealeaves.info/ Fishing Facts http://www.fishingfacts.info/

I dont know anyone to put you in touch with. Sorry. ----- Original Message ----- From: " Carolyn Cowen" <ccmission@cox.net> To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters > Do any of my family names sound familar? > I am trying to reconstruct my dad's life-story (Charles Franklin "Frank" > Martindale 1891-1978) and the possibility that he was really born a > Ransbarger. If you have any thoughts or people that I might communicate > with I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Carolyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edna Montgomery" <bmontgomery001@charter.net> > To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:42 PM > Subject: Re: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters > > >> Hello Carolyn, >> You have the right area. >> But no I dont have a family member namesake. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: " Carolyn Cowen" <ccmission@cox.net> >> To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 11:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters >> >> >>> Edna Montgomery.....that name surely rings a bell. Mother's people were >>> Stavely's of Seminole & Pott Counties -- Econtuska, Red Mound, >>> Strothers. Dad's were Martindale/Owen of Seminole- Strothers and >>> previously Cook School area near Konawa/Maud- area. >>> Did you have a family member that was your namesake? My parents have >>> long since been gone. >>> Carolyn >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Edna Montgomery" <bmontgomery001@charter.net> >>> To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:14 AM >>> Subject: Re: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters >>> >>> >>>> Would it be possible to have a class in Pottwatomie or Seminole county. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jeffrey Courouleau" <jeffrey@bartlesville.lib.ok.us> >>>> To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:52 AM >>>> Subject: RE: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters >>>> >>>> >>>>> The class will be held at Bartlesville, Washington County, Oklahoma, >>>>> which >>>>> is in NE Oklahoma about 45 minutes north of Tulsa, OK. >>>>> >>>>> I am working on seeing if we will have copies of class materials >>>>> available >>>>> to send to people unable to attend. >>>>> >>>>> For those who have Five Civilized Tribes ancestry, especially in NE >>>>> Oklahoma, please also feel free to contact me personally and I can >>>>> give you >>>>> pointers as well. >>>>> >>>>> Jeffrey >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>>> Jeffrey J. Courouleau, MLIS >>>>> Local & Family History Librarian >>>>> Bartlesville Public Library >>>>> 600 S. Johnstone Avenue >>>>> Bartlesville, OK, 74003 >>>>> >>>>> E-Mail: jeffrey@bartlesville.lib.ok.us >>>>> Phone: 918-337-5332 >>>>> >>>>> http://www.bartlesville.lib.ok.us >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Rich and Judy [mailto:ford56@pacbell.net] >>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 23:00 >>>>> To: IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters >>>>> >>>>> Me Too, Judy Martin >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <GenealogyFT@aol.com> >>>>> To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:46 AM >>>>> Subject: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I, too, would like to know if copies of this program will be >>>>>> available. >>>>>> >>>>>> Robbie Duck >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== IT-INDIAN Mailing List ==== >>>>>> To subscribe to our Chat list please send a message to >>>>>> IT-INDIAN-CHAT-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word >>>>>> subscribe or >>>>>> to subscribe to the digest mode, send the command instead to >>>>>> >>>>>> ============================== >>>>>> View and search Historical Newspapers. 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Do any of my family names sound familar? I am trying to reconstruct my dad's life-story (Charles Franklin "Frank" Martindale 1891-1978) and the possibility that he was really born a Ransbarger. If you have any thoughts or people that I might communicate with I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna Montgomery" <bmontgomery001@charter.net> To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters > Hello Carolyn, > You have the right area. > But no I dont have a family member namesake. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Carolyn Cowen" <ccmission@cox.net> > To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 11:45 PM > Subject: Re: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters > > >> Edna Montgomery.....that name surely rings a bell. Mother's people were >> Stavely's of Seminole & Pott Counties -- Econtuska, Red Mound, Strothers. >> Dad's were Martindale/Owen of Seminole- Strothers and previously Cook >> School area near Konawa/Maud- area. >> Did you have a family member that was your namesake? My parents have long >> since been gone. >> Carolyn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Edna Montgomery" <bmontgomery001@charter.net> >> To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:14 AM >> Subject: Re: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters >> >> >>> Would it be possible to have a class in Pottwatomie or Seminole county. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jeffrey Courouleau" <jeffrey@bartlesville.lib.ok.us> >>> To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:52 AM >>> Subject: RE: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters >>> >>> >>>> The class will be held at Bartlesville, Washington County, Oklahoma, >>>> which >>>> is in NE Oklahoma about 45 minutes north of Tulsa, OK. >>>> >>>> I am working on seeing if we will have copies of class materials >>>> available >>>> to send to people unable to attend. >>>> >>>> For those who have Five Civilized Tribes ancestry, especially in NE >>>> Oklahoma, please also feel free to contact me personally and I can give >>>> you >>>> pointers as well. >>>> >>>> Jeffrey >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>> Jeffrey J. Courouleau, MLIS >>>> Local & Family History Librarian >>>> Bartlesville Public Library >>>> 600 S. Johnstone Avenue >>>> Bartlesville, OK, 74003 >>>> >>>> E-Mail: jeffrey@bartlesville.lib.ok.us >>>> Phone: 918-337-5332 >>>> >>>> http://www.bartlesville.lib.ok.us >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rich and Judy [mailto:ford56@pacbell.net] >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 23:00 >>>> To: IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters >>>> >>>> Me Too, Judy Martin >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <GenealogyFT@aol.com> >>>> To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:46 AM >>>> Subject: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters >>>> >>>> >>>>> I, too, would like to know if copies of this program will be >>>>> available. >>>>> >>>>> Robbie Duck >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== IT-INDIAN Mailing List ==== >>>>> To subscribe to our Chat list please send a message to >>>>> IT-INDIAN-CHAT-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word subscribe >>>>> or >>>>> to subscribe to the digest mode, send the command instead to >>>>> >>>>> ============================== >>>>> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >>>>> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >>>>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== IT-INDIAN Mailing List ==== >>>> To unsubscribe, please send the command "unsubscribe" to >>>> IT-INDIAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or >>>> IT-INDIAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>>> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>>> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>> ==== IT-INDIAN Mailing List ==== >>> To subscribe to our Chat list please send a message to >>> IT-INDIAN-CHAT-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word subscribe >>> or to subscribe to the digest mode, send the command instead to >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== IT-INDIAN Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe, please send the command "unsubscribe" to >> IT-INDIAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or >> IT-INDIAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > ==== IT-INDIAN Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to our Chat list please send a message to > IT-INDIAN-CHAT-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word subscribe or > to subscribe to the digest mode, send the command instead to > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. 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Hello Carolyn, You have the right area. But no I dont have a family member namesake. ----- Original Message ----- From: " Carolyn Cowen" <ccmission@cox.net> To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters > Edna Montgomery.....that name surely rings a bell. Mother's people were > Stavely's of Seminole & Pott Counties -- Econtuska, Red Mound, Strothers. > Dad's were Martindale/Owen of Seminole- Strothers and previously Cook > School area near Konawa/Maud- area. > Did you have a family member that was your namesake? My parents have long > since been gone. > Carolyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edna Montgomery" <bmontgomery001@charter.net> > To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters > > >> Would it be possible to have a class in Pottwatomie or Seminole county. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jeffrey Courouleau" <jeffrey@bartlesville.lib.ok.us> >> To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:52 AM >> Subject: RE: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters >> >> >>> The class will be held at Bartlesville, Washington County, Oklahoma, >>> which >>> is in NE Oklahoma about 45 minutes north of Tulsa, OK. >>> >>> I am working on seeing if we will have copies of class materials >>> available >>> to send to people unable to attend. >>> >>> For those who have Five Civilized Tribes ancestry, especially in NE >>> Oklahoma, please also feel free to contact me personally and I can give >>> you >>> pointers as well. >>> >>> Jeffrey >>> >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> Jeffrey J. Courouleau, MLIS >>> Local & Family History Librarian >>> Bartlesville Public Library >>> 600 S. Johnstone Avenue >>> Bartlesville, OK, 74003 >>> >>> E-Mail: jeffrey@bartlesville.lib.ok.us >>> Phone: 918-337-5332 >>> >>> http://www.bartlesville.lib.ok.us >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rich and Judy [mailto:ford56@pacbell.net] >>> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 23:00 >>> To: IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters >>> >>> Me Too, Judy Martin >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <GenealogyFT@aol.com> >>> To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:46 AM >>> Subject: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters >>> >>> >>>> I, too, would like to know if copies of this program will be available. >>>> >>>> Robbie Duck >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== IT-INDIAN Mailing List ==== >>>> To subscribe to our Chat list please send a message to >>>> IT-INDIAN-CHAT-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word subscribe >>>> or >>>> to subscribe to the digest mode, send the command instead to >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >>>> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >>>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== IT-INDIAN Mailing List ==== >>> To unsubscribe, please send the command "unsubscribe" to >>> IT-INDIAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or >>> IT-INDIAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> >> ==== IT-INDIAN Mailing List ==== >> To subscribe to our Chat list please send a message to >> IT-INDIAN-CHAT-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word subscribe or >> to subscribe to the digest mode, send the command instead to >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== IT-INDIAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, please send the command "unsubscribe" to > IT-INDIAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > IT-INDIAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Edna Montgomery.....that name surely rings a bell. Mother's people were Stavely's of Seminole & Pott Counties -- Econtuska, Red Mound, Strothers. Dad's were Martindale/Owen of Seminole- Strothers and previously Cook School area near Konawa/Maud- area. Did you have a family member that was your namesake? My parents have long since been gone. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna Montgomery" <bmontgomery001@charter.net> To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters > Would it be possible to have a class in Pottwatomie or Seminole county. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey Courouleau" <jeffrey@bartlesville.lib.ok.us> > To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:52 AM > Subject: RE: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters > > >> The class will be held at Bartlesville, Washington County, Oklahoma, >> which >> is in NE Oklahoma about 45 minutes north of Tulsa, OK. >> >> I am working on seeing if we will have copies of class materials >> available >> to send to people unable to attend. >> >> For those who have Five Civilized Tribes ancestry, especially in NE >> Oklahoma, please also feel free to contact me personally and I can give >> you >> pointers as well. >> >> Jeffrey >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> Jeffrey J. Courouleau, MLIS >> Local & Family History Librarian >> Bartlesville Public Library >> 600 S. Johnstone Avenue >> Bartlesville, OK, 74003 >> >> E-Mail: jeffrey@bartlesville.lib.ok.us >> Phone: 918-337-5332 >> >> http://www.bartlesville.lib.ok.us >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rich and Judy [mailto:ford56@pacbell.net] >> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 23:00 >> To: IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters >> >> Me Too, Judy Martin >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <GenealogyFT@aol.com> >> To: <IT-INDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:46 AM >> Subject: [IT-INDIAN] Re: Tracing Your Native American Ancesters >> >> >>> I, too, would like to know if copies of this program will be available. >>> >>> Robbie Duck >>> >>> >>> ==== IT-INDIAN Mailing List ==== >>> To subscribe to our Chat list please send a message to >>> IT-INDIAN-CHAT-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word subscribe >>> or >>> to subscribe to the digest mode, send the command instead to >>> >>> ============================== >>> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >>> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== IT-INDIAN Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe, please send the command "unsubscribe" to >> IT-INDIAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or >> IT-INDIAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > ==== IT-INDIAN Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to our Chat list please send a message to > IT-INDIAN-CHAT-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word subscribe or > to subscribe to the digest mode, send the command instead to > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >