Hi Jon, Thank you very much for all the interesting info you found, very kind of you I couldn't find the farm on my maps either, but there was also a Charlotte CORNEY who lived near Henry LACEY & William RUSSEL lived 16 yards from him. The verdict of the trial at Winchester, (in the report I have) Henry LACEY was found guilty of manslaughter, (he liked a drink & a game of bed hopping!) he was sentenced to "six years penal servitude", no mention of any trial for Susan, I have sent the image to you, makes very fascinating reading Best wishes Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Baker" <[email protected]> To: "'Ann Ryder'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: RE: [IoW] Jane Lacey murdered near Ryde > Hi Ann > Looking at the 1851 census Henry and Jane Lacey, husband and wife, were > recorded at "Oldhouse Farm", in the parish of St Helens (Class: HO107; > Piece: 1664; Folio: 326; Page: 18). Their ages are 42 and 46, which of > course do not match up with the newspaper reports. Henry was born > Carisbrooke, Jane in Tamworth, Staffs. > > Obviously neither are expected to appear at home in the 1861 census, but I > looked for Oldhouse Farm to try to locate it more accurately. Eventually I > found "Old House" occupied by George & Matilda Brook (RG9; Piece: 658; > Folio: 147; Page: 12), and the next record is Old House Cottages occupied > by > Thomas & Charlotte Lacey. This is somewhere around Westridge House (the > following record is Magpie Lane if anyone knows where that is/was). I > would > guess therefore that it is around what is nowadays Westridge Cross (Ryde > Airport/Tesco Superstore) area. I can't find a reference to it on an 1866 > OS > Map so maybe it was by then not a farm but had been swallowed up by the > southward expansion of Ryde. > > It would seem that Dr Oillard was not very good at aging the deceased, > since > she appears to have been actually between 56 and 63 (and not over 70). Its > also not clear whether it was her husband that murdered her or perhaps it > was her son. Of course it could be that the newspaper reporting in the > 1860s > was not very accurate (no different to nowadays). > > I can only find one recorded Susan Wilday nationally and Wilhay does not > appear as a name in any census). She was born in Birmingham about 1820 > according to the 1851 census, or Wolverhampton in 1818 according to the > 1861 > and appears to have married in 1866. Believe it or not one of the 2 > possible > spouses in the 1866 marriage is Henry Lacy!!! You don't mention any > verdicts > in the newspaper reports, perhaps they were not convicted. By 1871 Henry > (58) and Susan (46 from Birmingham) were back on the Island at Brading > Road, > St Helens (Westridge), his occupation given as farmer out of business > (Class: RG10; Piece: 1167; Folio: 60; Page: 5). > > Looks like some follow up to find the verdict at Winchester would be > interesting to find out why Henry (or James) and Susan were not convicted, > assuming that to be the case). > > Hope this helps. Have fun. > > Jon Baker > > > Ann wrote: > > Does anyone know where Old Farm is or was? > > > >

Hi Jon, Just to let you know I have found some more reports, Susan did not go to trial, "Susan Wilday bill ignored ", March 9, 1861 And in another report February 8, 1871"Henry Lacy a farmer residing at Old House Farm, (well done Jon) he came in to "a considerable sum money when he married, he is the son of a labouring man in the neighbourhood" (Thomas Lacey age 80 Farmer Retired), Henry LACEY married Jane TEMPLE 14 JUL 1841 All Saints, Birmingham, Warwick, Susanna WILDAY was born 25 FEB 1817 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, daughter of Frederick WILDAY & Mary TEMPLE In another case Henry was a witness for Thomas Lacy (his brother? Who had a daughter in -law Elizabeth Lacy) accused of stealing mangel wurzel, (root vegetable) Henry said "I am a carrier & rent several fields...... the chairman asked have you been convicted? - no answer. - Mr Seely: Have you been convicted of manslaughter?-no answer- Mr Seely: Were you not convicted of manslaughter of your wife?-"witness: I have served my time. I have not come here for that. I was convicted & served five or six years in prison. Jon sent me this, Free BMD Marriages Jun 1866: Lacy Henry Birmingham. Wilday Susan Birmingham So it looks like that Susan Wilday returned home, & when Henry came out of prison they married & went back to the IOW. IOW death index, LACY Henry 1876 66 Ryde. Thank you Angela I don't think it was planed it was done in a drunken rage. Best wishes Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Ryder" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [IoW] Jane Lacey murdered near Ryde > Hi Jon, > > Thank you very much for all the interesting info you found, very kind of > you > I couldn't find the farm on my maps either, but there was also a Charlotte > CORNEY who lived near Henry LACEY & William RUSSEL lived 16 yards from > him. > > > The verdict of the trial at Winchester, (in the report I have) Henry LACEY > was found guilty of manslaughter, (he liked a drink & a game of bed > hopping!) he was sentenced to "six years penal servitude", no mention of > any > trial for Susan, I have sent the image to you, makes very fascinating > reading > > Best wishes Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Baker" <[email protected]> > To: "'Ann Ryder'" <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:12 PM > Subject: RE: [IoW] Jane Lacey murdered near Ryde > > >> Hi Ann >> Looking at the 1851 census Henry and Jane Lacey, husband and wife, were >> recorded at "Oldhouse Farm", in the parish of St Helens (Class: HO107; >> Piece: 1664; Folio: 326; Page: 18). Their ages are 42 and 46, which of >> course do not match up with the newspaper reports. Henry was born >> Carisbrooke, Jane in Tamworth, Staffs. >> >> Obviously neither are expected to appear at home in the 1861 census, but >> I >> looked for Oldhouse Farm to try to locate it more accurately. Eventually >> I >> found "Old House" occupied by George & Matilda Brook (RG9; Piece: 658; >> Folio: 147; Page: 12), and the next record is Old House Cottages occupied >> by >> Thomas & Charlotte Lacey. This is somewhere around Westridge House (the >> following record is Magpie Lane if anyone knows where that is/was). I >> would >> guess therefore that it is around what is nowadays Westridge Cross (Ryde >> Airport/Tesco Superstore) area. I can't find a reference to it on an 1866 >> OS >> Map so maybe it was by then not a farm but had been swallowed up by the >> southward expansion of Ryde. >> >> It would seem that Dr Oillard was not very good at aging the deceased, >> since >> she appears to have been actually between 56 and 63 (and not over 70). >> Its >> also not clear whether it was her husband that murdered her or perhaps it >> was her son. Of course it could be that the newspaper reporting in the >> 1860s >> was not very accurate (no different to nowadays). >> >> I can only find one recorded Susan Wilday nationally and Wilhay does not >> appear as a name in any census). She was born in Birmingham about 1820 >> according to the 1851 census, or Wolverhampton in 1818 according to the >> 1861 >> and appears to have married in 1866. Believe it or not one of the 2 >> possible >> spouses in the 1866 marriage is Henry Lacy!!! You don't mention any >> verdicts >> in the newspaper reports, perhaps they were not convicted. By 1871 Henry >> (58) and Susan (46 from Birmingham) were back on the Island at Brading >> Road, >> St Helens (Westridge), his occupation given as farmer out of business >> (Class: RG10; Piece: 1167; Folio: 60; Page: 5). >> >> Looks like some follow up to find the verdict at Winchester would be >> interesting to find out why Henry (or James) and Susan were not >> convicted, >> assuming that to be the case). >> >> Hope this helps. Have fun. >> >> Jon Baker >> >> >> Ann wrote: >> >> Does anyone know where Old Farm is or was? >> >> >> >> > > > > ************************************** > You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >