Glad you are all amused :-) I think so far William Groves taks the cake for being the most interesting character .. One thing I have noticed - there are quite a few people on this List who don't know there are others researching the same surnames. I have put several people in touch with each other. Maybe some of our newer members would like to post some surname interests? Angela All mail scanned with AVAST 2007 No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced