A dictionary of the Isle of Wight dialect, and of provincialisms used in the Island; with illustrative anecdotes and tales; to which is appended the Christmas Boy's play, an Isle of Wight "Hooam Harvest", and songs sung by the peasantry; forming a treasury of insular manners and customs of fifty years ago (1886) You can download this in pdf format and others (NOT WORD) or read the book online by clicking on the pages to turn them http://www.archive.org/texts/flipbook/flippy.php?id=dictionaryofisle00longrich example of the dialect Milt {A.S. milt). The spleen of a slaughtered animal. Min. Men. Mind. To remember. Mints. Mites, small insects in cheese. Minty cheese. Cheese full of mites. "They bosses yet a miserable lot o' corn last winter." - Those horses ate a great deal of corn last winter. "Dost thee know Will Baker, you? he's a miserable gurt feller." "Fine mornen, you, edden't it?" " Oi, you, but 'twas a miserable rough night; dedn't the wind blow ! I thought my chimley was comen down, " Sometimes feelingly pronounced - ' * miserabble." "Hollo, you, how dost seem to beat up? I han't zid ye vor ever zo long," " Oh, I beant much on't; my faace ben terbul bad layetly; my teeth paains me zoo," "Ah, the toothache eB miserabble bad, I knows that," " Oi, you, 'tes wuss than anything, I bleeve; and every now'n ten the wold stumps 'ill gee sich a jump, and prid near jump out o' me head. " Chris History of the villages of Dorset, Hampshire and Isle of Wight http://southernlife.org.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Here is another song http://www.green.ltd.uk/folkonthemoor/songs/1-4colin2iow.mp3 Chris

On 10 Dec 2009 at 13:32, John ATTRILL wrote: > Thanks are being sent by me to those of the List who answered the call > for data source of name changes which apparently does not exist > anyway. I have no intention of changing surname - just wanted to know > about the likelihood of an ancestor who we believe has changed > surnames along the line, being traced through another source. > What you say is not entirely true. I pointed out in my message to the list that records of surname changes by deed poll are held at TNA at Kew. However, if an ancestor simply decided to change his/her name and call him/herself something else without making any formal record of it, then I don't see how you could expect there to be a source. If you mean there is no overall database of people who've changed their names, then that is true, but how could there be if the great majority of name changes were never notified to anyone? I have, though, on occasions found people in censuses and other records whom it is possible to identify as having undergone a name change by comparing their details and circumstances with those in earlier records. I have, for instance, looked into the ancestry of a very famous media personality who had a gt-gt-grandfather apparently from the IoW and who married in a totally different name to the one he subsequently had children in and appeared in censuses in. Why this should have been I haven't established for certain, but I suspect there was something slightly "dodgy" about him! How nice and convenient it would be if there were such a thing as a database of everyone who had changed their names, but genealogy is rarely that simple. It usually involves a lot of detective work to get at the truth. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hello Thanks are being sent by me to those of the List who answered the call for data source of name changes which apparently does not exist anyway. I have no intention of changing surname - just wanted to know about the likelihood of an ancestor who we believe has changed surnames along the line, being traced through another source. Many thanks to all John _________________________________________________________________ Add your Gmail and Yahoo! Mail email accounts into Hotmail - it's easy http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/

You can bid for it at (on vinyl) http://www.collectorsvinyl.co.uk/auctions/display_all.php?pageNum_Display_all=70&totalRows_Display_all=1651 Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Baker" <baker.jon@sky.com> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [IoW] Isle of Wight Songs... Themz wuz the days down the Sloop. "Songs for Singing Islanders", wish I still had a copy of that. Jon Baker -----Original Message----- I still have the original EP It Contains: The Southern Vectis Song U.D.I for I.O.W The Isle of Wight for me The Hovercraft All recorded by "Lauri Say and The Island Folk" who performed every Friday in the Sloop Inn in Wootton Bridge at the Island Folk Song Club. Original date of recording is 1968 Regards John Earley --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Chris & Caroline <crhayles@btinternet.com> wrote: From: Chris & Caroline <crhayles@btinternet.com> Subject: [IoW] Isle of Wight Songs... To: "isle-of-wight" <isle-of-wight@rootsweb.com>, "HAMPSHIRE-LIFE" <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE@rootsweb.com>, "ENG-HAMPSHIRE" <ENG-HAMPSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 18:29 Some old (from the 1960s) Folk songs about the Isle of Wight> The Southern Vectis Bus Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOx-tzXN3Pw On A Cushion of air (The Hovercaft Song) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK2_GKIbKcM and a newer one.... IOW (A song for the Isle Of Wight - a parody of Lily Allen's LDN) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwqn0_8ItR4 I was looking for the song by the group who sang the first two, called UDI for the IOW, and could only find the Bus and Hovercraft ones... Chris History of the villages of Dorset, Hampshire and Isle of Wight http://southernlife.org.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Memories of the Sloop Folk Club: http://www.woottonbridgeiow.co.uk/folkclub.php -----Original Message----- Themz wuz the days down the Sloop. "Songs for Singing Islanders", wish I still had a copy of that. Jon Baker -----Original Message-----     All recorded by "Lauri Say and The Island Folk"  who performed every Friday in the Sloop Inn in Wootton Bridge at the Island Folk Song Club.

Themz wuz the days down the Sloop. "Songs for Singing Islanders", wish I still had a copy of that. Jon Baker -----Original Message-----   I still have the original EP    It Contains:   The Southern Vectis Song U.D.I for I.O.W The Isle of Wight for me The Hovercraft   All recorded by "Lauri Say and The Island Folk"  who performed every Friday in the Sloop Inn in Wootton Bridge at the Island Folk Song Club.   Original date of recording is 1968     Regards   John Earley --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Chris & Caroline <crhayles@btinternet.com> wrote: From: Chris & Caroline <crhayles@btinternet.com> Subject: [IoW] Isle of Wight Songs... To: "isle-of-wight" <isle-of-wight@rootsweb.com>, "HAMPSHIRE-LIFE" <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE@rootsweb.com>, "ENG-HAMPSHIRE" <ENG-HAMPSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 18:29 Some old (from the 1960s) Folk songs about the Isle of Wight> The Southern Vectis Bus Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOx-tzXN3Pw On A Cushion of air (The Hovercaft Song) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK2_GKIbKcM and a newer one.... IOW (A song for the Isle Of Wight - a parody of Lily Allen's LDN) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwqn0_8ItR4 I was looking for the song by the group who sang the first two, called UDI for the IOW, and could only find the Bus and Hovercraft ones... Chris History of the villages of Dorset, Hampshire and Isle of Wight http://southernlife.org.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chris and Caroline   I still have the original EP    It Contains:   The Southern Vectis Song U.D.I for I.O.W The Isle of Wight for me The Hovercraft   All recorded by "Lauri Say and The Island Folk"  who performed every Friday in the Sloop Inn in Wootton Bridge at the Island Folk Song Club.   Original date of recording is 1968     Regards   John Earley --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Chris & Caroline <crhayles@btinternet.com> wrote: From: Chris & Caroline <crhayles@btinternet.com> Subject: [IoW] Isle of Wight Songs... To: "isle-of-wight" <isle-of-wight@rootsweb.com>, "HAMPSHIRE-LIFE" <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE@rootsweb.com>, "ENG-HAMPSHIRE" <ENG-HAMPSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 18:29 Some old (from the 1960s) Folk songs about the Isle of Wight> The Southern Vectis Bus Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOx-tzXN3Pw On A Cushion of air (The Hovercaft Song) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK2_GKIbKcM and a newer one.... IOW (A song for the Isle Of Wight - a parody of Lily Allen's LDN) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwqn0_8ItR4 I was looking for the song by the group who sang the first two, called UDI for the IOW, and could only find the Bus and Hovercraft ones... Chris History of the villages of Dorset, Hampshire and Isle of Wight http://southernlife.org.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some old (from the 1960s) Folk songs about the Isle of Wight> The Southern Vectis Bus Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOx-tzXN3Pw On A Cushion of air (The Hovercaft Song) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK2_GKIbKcM and a newer one.... IOW (A song for the Isle Of Wight - a parody of Lily Allen's LDN) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwqn0_8ItR4 I was looking for the song by the group who sang the first two, called UDI for the IOW, and could only find the Bus and Hovercraft ones... Chris History of the villages of Dorset, Hampshire and Isle of Wight http://southernlife.org.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On 9 Dec 2009 at 15:18, John ATTRILL wrote: > > Hi everyone Happy Christmas > > > > This is a query which can no doubt be answered by one of the more > accomplished of our family history colleagues on the List. > > > > When someone changes their surname, is there a Register kept in > England & Wales say, of the previous name and newly adopted name? > > > > Appreciate that people can use whatever name and call themselves > whatever they wish to be known by. Just wondered if there was a > source to search for data on this one? Perhaps someone knows? > Awaiting response with baited breath on this one. > Try entering "Changing your name" into Google and you will find numerous websites about it. A useful one is.....http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_family/family/change_of_name.htm Also see http://www.ukdps.co.uk/ for advice about changing your name by deed poll. Deed poll documents are kept at The National Archives at Kew, I believe. As you rightly say, you can call yourself anything you like provided it isn't for a criminal or nefarious purpose with intent to deceive. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi everyone Happy Christmas This is a query which can no doubt be answered by one of the more accomplished of our family history colleagues on the List. When someone changes their surname, is there a Register kept in England & Wales say, of the previous name and newly adopted name? Appreciate that people can use whatever name and call themselves whatever they wish to be known by. Just wondered if there was a source to search for data on this one? Perhaps someone knows? Awaiting response with baited breath on this one. John _________________________________________________________________ Add your Gmail and Yahoo! Mail email accounts into Hotmail - it's easy http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/

Can I throw this request to one and all. Clara Scovell, nee Morris, was in the 1911 census. at "The Fields, Niton I think some of her Morris family lived Fernleigh, Niton. Am I correct? Who else lived in Fernleigh? Kind regards. April

If anyone is going to the Isle-ofWight Records office, could they please do a look-up for me. I have two Dora's. DORA CONSTANCE MAY MORRIS born Godshill (no other name) G27/E185 FHS DORA CONSTANCE MAUD MORRIS born Isle-of-Wight. June quarter. 2b. 639. Free BMD Daniel Scovell married Clara Morris October/December 1889 after their daughters birth. I need to know which Dora belongs to Daniel and Clara. for sure and who were the parents of the other Dora. Thank you . April New Forest

Hello List. Looking for advice on where to look for the children of. Robert Vince and Elizabeth Thomas married 1/10/1702 Godshill. IOW Robert Vince and Ann Banks 1/10/1732 Ryde IOW. Cavan Vince USA

Thanks to Becki, I have what I believe is some of my Scovell family living Whitwell 1930. They are Frank and Kate (Kathlene) who could possibly be brother and sister, living at The Homestead, Whitwell. If they are brother and sister, could their parents be Daniel Frank and Clara Scovell. Daniel had died before 1930 and Clara still at Puckaster Dairy? wher she worked/owned. Has anyone descended from Daniel and Clara and could verify this for me. Or otherwise? Thank you and kind regards April In a very soggy New Forest as is I suspect, the Island is too.

Hi listers, My apologies if this is a duplicate sending, but have been having e mail problems. I note that 4 family births occurred in 1874: 2 were registered as R37/E389 & E437, 1 as R38/E68 and 1 as R39/E29. My questions are; was 1874 a very good year for births?; how many entries to a register?; and/or did each church in a parish have its own register? Regards, Brian in West Oz

On 5 Dec 2009 at 15:30, Brian Loader wrote: > Hi listers, > My apologies if this is a duplicate sending, but have been having e > mail problems. I note that 4 family births occurred in 1874: 2 were > registered as R37/E389 & E437, 1 as R38/E68 and 1 as R39/E29. My > questions are; was 1874 a very good year for births?; how many entries > to a register?; and/or did each church in a parish have its own > register? Regards, Brian in West Oz > As Jon Baker has pointed out, there were only TWO births of children with the surname Loader in the Isle of Wight during the year 1874, not four. The other two were for children with different surnames (Harvey and Dyer) but where Loader was the mother's maiden name. The births are confirmed at FreeBMD, i.e. James Alfred Loader in the first (March) quarter of 1874 (vol 2b page 586) and Ellen Loader in the last (Dec) quarter of that year (2b 568). You seem to be confused about the system! Churches don't register births, they record baptisms - and not everybody was baptised, so not everyone would feature in a church register. As Jon explained, these are the civil registrars' registers of births and nothing at all to do with any church. Interestingly enough, it was the following year, 1875, in which registration became compulsory in the sense that parents could be fined for not registering a child's birth. Technically speaking, it had always been compulsory ever since the start of civil registration in 1837 but there were no penalties for not doing so until 1875 and many people in the early years were not registered at all. If you look up the two births, as mentioned above, at www.freebmd.org.uk and click on the registration district you will see that the Isle of Wight RD covered the whole island. Thus, it is not possible to tell from this reference precisely where a birth was registered. However, the folks in the Isle of Wight FHS who produced their own excellent database of civil BMDs have gone a step further and included the district, in this case Ryde. Since James Alfred Loader's reference in the first quarter starts with R37 and Ellen Loader's in the final quarter with R39, presumably there must have been at least three registers used in the year 1874. If you require copies of the certificates, then you can order them for £7.00 either from the IOWFHS website, using the supplied form, or from the General Register Office's website, using the references supplied at FreeBMD. However, please note that different indexing systems are used by the local register offices to that applied by the GRO and the two are not connected. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Brian I assume these were births with the name LOADER. If so then 2 of these were for births where the mother's (maiden) surname was Loader, not the child's surname. The registers are not church registers, these are the civil registers for the Ryde sub-district, which in the 1870s covered not just Ryde, but also Binstead, Bembridge, St Helens, Brading, Sandown and Shanklin, there is a map on the IWFHS site showing an outline of the registration district. There were approximately 2300 births registered on the whole of the Isle of Wight in 1874, a number not exceeded until 1880, so I guess it was quite a good year for births. I would guess from the references that after 1866 a new scheme was introduced. There seems to be 500 entries per register, perhaps someone who helped with the transcribing of the database could explain the numbering system in more detail. In 1874 at some point during the year a new register was started, hence the change from R37 to R38. These numbers do not reflect years though, once one book was filled (I assume) another one was started. Hope that helps Jon Baker Dorset OPC Co-ordinator www.opcdorset.org -----Original Message----- I note that 4 family births occurred in 1874: 2 were registered as R37/E389 & E437, 1 as R38/E68 and 1 as R39/E29. My questions are; was 1874 a very good year for births?; how many entries to a register?; and/or did each church in a parish have its own register?

April, There is a fellow who is researching this family and has submitted a tree to Ancestry. He states that John Scovell (1842-?) was married to Fanny Brett (1854-1891) in 1872 at Shalfleet, IOW and they had 9 children; all born on the Isle of Wight. Dora Scovall was born 25 Dec 1889 according to his records. In his records Dora Elizabeth Scovell was married to Godfrey Carew Hawker on February 3, 1915 at Rotherfield, Peppard, England. This couple had at least four sons according to this record. The only one named was Robin Phillips Hawker, born 5 Sep 1924 in Mornington, Victoria, Australia. Also, according to this record Godfrey Carew Hawker died in 1979 in Camberwell, Victoria, Australia. He also indicates that Dora died in the same place but does not have a date. Again, let me know if you think this is the same family and I will contact this person to see if he will contact you directly. I believe his name is Roger Novak and he is retired in Maryland, USA. This information is according to his profile in Ancestry. Karen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karen (Kramer) Struve Northeast Washington Genealogical Society President geneamma@live.com From: isle-of-wight-request@rootsweb.com Subject: ISLE-OF-WIGHT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 268 To: isle-of-wight@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 01:00:28 -0700 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: adale41@googlemail.com To: isle-of-wight@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:04:44 +0000 Subject: [IoW] SCOVELL Recently, I had lovely help from Bob which led me to where DORA SCOVELL (born 1889) has disappeared to by searching ships to Ellis Island. Whether she worked on the boats, or was with a family, I do not know for sure. But that is where it ends for the moment. I wonder if there is anyone else researching the Scovells of Niton. It was there that Dora's parents Clara nee Morris, ran the Puckaster Dairy and where Dora is last known as she gives Niton as her place of Residence on the passenger lists, 1910 and 1913. I have found a Dora Scovell married to Geoffrey Hawker and with two children, Derek and Prue, over there. But then the information stops, unless I subscribe to Ancestry. Needless to say------ Hopefully, someone will recognise this information. Please contact me if you do and then maybe I will not be awake in the early hours of the morning planning the next thing I could try. Kind regards. April _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slideid=1&media=aero-shake-7second&listid=1&stop=1&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009

April, I have found a Dora and Godfrey Hawker on a passenger list from Australia. I have attached it to this message for you to view. This was on Ancestry.com. If these are your people I will search for more information for you. Karen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karen (Kramer) Struve Northeast Washington Genealogical Society President geneamma@live.com From: isle-of-wight-request@rootsweb.com Subject: ISLE-OF-WIGHT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 268 To: isle-of-wight@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 01:00:28 -0700 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: adale41@googlemail.com To: isle-of-wight@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:04:44 +0000 Subject: [IoW] SCOVELL Recently, I had lovely help from Bob which led me to where DORA SCOVELL (born 1889) has disappeared to by searching ships to Ellis Island. Whether she worked on the boats, or was with a family, I do not know for sure. But that is where it ends for the moment. I wonder if there is anyone else researching the Scovells of Niton. It was there that Dora's parents Clara nee Morris, ran the Puckaster Dairy and where Dora is last known as she gives Niton as her place of Residence on the passenger lists, 1910 and 1913. I have found a Dora Scovell married to Geoffrey Hawker and with two children, Derek and Prue, over there. But then the information stops, unless I subscribe to Ancestry. Needless to say------ Hopefully, someone will recognise this information. Please contact me if you do and then maybe I will not be awake in the early hours of the morning planning the next thing I could try. Kind regards. April _________________________________________________________________ Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+games&scope=cashback&form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1