Dear Listers, this might be useful for anyone searching for naval ancestors: go to the National Archives search page, put in the person's name and ADM for 'Department or series code'. On this occasion there were no results. Next: go to 'Documents Online' and choose 'Registers of Seamen's Services'. This produced 3 results; 2 were for men born on the Isle of Wight. You can obtain a copy of the record by ordering it online at £3:50, visit the National Archives and print it off for 20p (difficult for those living overseas) or find someone to do it for you. Regards, Anne in Wales ======================================== Message Received: May 11 2010, 07:16 AM From: "Denise Brown" To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [IoW] Help reading Occupation Hi All I am attempting to read correctly the occupation of a Charles Gawn in the 1901 Census born 1867 Ref RG13/5326 Folio 101 Page 15 second last from the bottom. He is on the Vessel Juno for RNavy ships and am not too sure but the occupation appears to LgStoI - does this translate as ? Large (ok not sure) Stoker Class 1. I am sure there is someone out there with greater knowlege than mine and am giving thanks in advance for any assistance. Kind regards, Denise Brown Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia - denise@lighthouseelectrical.com ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All I am attempting to read correctly the occupation of a Charles Gawn in the 1901 Census born 1867 Ref RG13/5326 Folio 101 Page 15 second last from the bottom. He is on the Vessel Juno for RNavy ships and am not too sure but the occupation appears to LgStoI - does this translate as ? Large (ok not sure) Stoker Class 1. I am sure there is someone out there with greater knowlege than mine and am giving thanks in advance for any assistance. Kind regards, Denise Brown Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia - denise@lighthouseelectrical.com

HI I think its Engine Stoker 1 - maybe as in 1st engineer or 1st eng.stoker. But it being abbreviated makes it harder to read. Regards Ann Spiro Perth, Western Australia research@sbse.net.au http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blacksmiths/ The surnames BASKETT and Nutty are registered with GOONS http://www.one-name.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------

Denise   Could it be "Leading Stoker 1"     Regards   John --- On Tue, 11/5/10, Denise Brown <denise@lighthouseelectrical.com> wrote: From: Denise Brown <denise@lighthouseelectrical.com> Subject: [IoW] Help reading Occupation To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, 11 May, 2010, 7:16 Hi All I am attempting to read correctly the occupation of a Charles Gawn in the 1901 Census  born 1867 Ref RG13/5326 Folio 101 Page 15 second last from the bottom.  He is on the Vessel Juno for RNavy ships and am not too sure but the occupation appears to LgStoI - does this translate as ? Large (ok not sure) Stoker Class 1. I am sure there is someone out there with greater knowlege than mine and am giving thanks in advance for any assistance. Kind regards, Denise Brown Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia - denise@lighthouseelectrical.com ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Daphne According to Ancestry and cross-checking with the LDS Library, one of the records is correct: Name: John Woodford Gender: Male Christening Date: 21 Oct 1703 Christening Place: Brixton, Hampshire, England Father's Name: John Woodford This has come from the Parish Registers/Bishops Transcripts, thus much more reliable than the 2 entries you find in the IGI, both of which are patron submissions. I was also suspicious when the IGI entry showed the place as Brighstone. Almost always records would have shown the parish as Brixton, rather than Brighstone in the early 1700s. It may be worth checking the marriage on 27 Oct 1702 at Brixton of John Woodford and Joane Lord. Could well be the parents of John (1703). There is also a christening for Betty in 1704. Goodness knows who Heighes Woodforde and Mary Lamport are :-) Jon Baker Dorset OPC Co-ordinator www.opcdorset.org -----Original Message----- I wonder if I can ask for help in connection with a baptism entry On the I.G.I. (I know not reliable) there is an entry as shown John Woodforde baptised 21st October 1703 Brighston Father Heighes Woodforde Mother Mary Lamport There is also John Woodford baptised 21st October 1703 Brighston Father John Woodford

Hi Everyone, I wonder if I can ask for help in connection with a baptism entry On the I.G.I. (I know not reliable) there is an entry as shown John Woodforde baptised 21st October 1703 Brighston Father Heighes Woodforde Mother Mary Lamport There is also John Woodford baptised 21st October 1703 Brighston Father John Woodford Both are John both on the same day same parish but different fathers. Is anyone able to double check the entry for me please. In my research I have not found Heighes Woodforde having anything to do with the I.O.W. Any help much appreciated. Regards Daphne Ausitn

Hi Sandra The inflammation. I sent you off list regarding the possibility of Ernest Gordon DUNFORD, having married Emily Mary WILLIS in 1932. I now believe to be incorrect. I now have a certified copy of marriage reference: IOW COE21.1/4, 1932 / national reference: I.Wight. Vol. 2b, page 1625, Oct 1932. The Ernest DUNFORD that married Emily Mary WILLIS was the son of Thomas DUNFORD birth reference: IOW C32/E466, 1897. Like you Sandra, I have been unable to identify any further reference for Ernest Gordon DUNFORD. Any further help with this would be appreciated by myself and Sandra. Yours. John (fhs member 1802 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> To: "Isle of Wight" <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:07 AM Subject: [IoW] DUNFORD >I am helping a Canadian cousin with her Dunford interests... > > We have been fairly successful with this line, but my cousin is keen to > track down what happened to her grandmother's brothers and sisters. In > particular: > > Ernest Gordon DUNFORD > Baptised 09 Oct 1895 in Northwood. Still living in 1911 (census).

I've recently transcribed a whole list of entries from a microfilm of the IOW card index for my family name and I'm just sorting through them. Can someone tell me which church the letters BLA designate on the card index? Thanks, Barb Starmans Richmond Hill, ON, Canada

Hi all, does anyone know anything about the web site www.pagram.co.uk? I had some information via email passed onto me about my family and it is incorrect. And as we are still alive and kicking we would like to get it corrected. Any ideas? It was to do with my father's name Varndell Cheers Audrey Harris

I think you will find the address is www.pagram.com Best wishes Trish -----Original Message----- From: isle-of-wight-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:isle-of-wight-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ken and Audrey Harris Sent: 05 May 2010 09:56 To: isle-of-wight@rootsweb.com Subject: [IoW] Pagram Hi all, does anyone know anything about the web site www.pagram.co.uk? I had some information via email passed onto me about my family and it is incorrect. And as we are still alive and kicking we would like to get it corrected. Any ideas? It was to do with my father's name Varndell Cheers Audrey Harris ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

www.pagram.co.uk When I connected to this address a serious warning came onto the screen and would not let me through. Anyone else had this? April

Hi Does anyone know anything about the Groves and Gutteridge shipbuilders. I have not been able to find much on the internet about the history of it. My great great grandfather was George Gutteridge born 1822 who was married to Ellen Lowe and was the son of George and Caroline Gutterridge and believe they were ship and boat builders and have been told they were part of this boatyard and would love to find out more about the beginning of the company. My other 3 grandfather Edward Swetman was also in the trade and was an apprentice to Michael Ratsey in 1839 and again would like to find out more about that company Any help would be appreciated Andrea

I have been in contact with Chris Munford and together we are trying to fill in a few gaps in the MUNFORD tree, in particular the descendants of Walter Sidney MOORE and Edith Grace MUNFORD. We believe that Kathleen MOORE married Michael ATTRILL in Ryde in 1948 and would like to make contact with either of them if they are still alive or with any of their descendants. If anybody can help it would be appreciated. TIA Alan

Hello, I shall be returning to Newport in June for a week of intensive research in an attempt to break down some BAGWELL brick walls. One line of enquiry is the possibility that this is a corruption of the DAGWELL surname. In advance of my visit I am collating what DAGWELL information I can from other sources. There is plenty to be found on Ancestry.com and the IGI dating back to the mid 1400's, but without verification I have to take much of this with a pinch of salt. If any of you have information relating to DAGWELL in your researches I would be pleased to hear from you. Regards, Dean Bagwell

Hi Jill As a child growing up in the 1960's I used to walk past "The Barracks" in Sandown enroute for school in the Broadway, Sandown. The building is now used by the Isle of Wight County Council as offices. Part of it is the Inland Revenue Benefits section, part crèche for "The Heights Leisure complex" and part as other enquiry offices. If you check out www.iwight.com (the Council's own website) it is possible to find what the building is used for now. Beki -----Original Message----- From: isle-of-wight-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:isle-of-wight-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vanessa Marshall Sent: 18 April 2010 23:32 To: jmglover; Isle-of-Wight@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IoW] Sandown : Parkhurst Military Hospital Dear Jill, Check out www.fortsandbatteries.co.uk for history and pictures of Sandown Barracks Battery & Sandown Fort. There is loads about the history of IOW on www.iwhistory.org.uk where you will find links to lots of other atricles / sites which may give you more info. Also Parkhurst Barracks (now the Prison) has it's own website at www.wightonline.co.uk/parkhurst-heritage which has a couple of pictures of the barracks, including one of the hospital. Wikipedia - Parkhurst Prison was first built as a military hospital in 1805 and was later transformed to a prison for boys awaiting deportation, mainly to Australia, as part of the Parkhurst act of 1835. It's possible that your father-in-law was actually at Albany Barracks, Parkhurst (as this was the training barracks) - The original buildings were demolished and it also became part of the Prison in the 1960s - there is an old photo of the gate house at http://www.carisbrooke.shalfleet.net/newport_2.htm . Regards Vanessa Dorset ----- Original Message ----- From: "jmglover" <jmglover@tpg.com.au> To: <Isle-of-Wight@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: [IoW] Sandown : Parkhurst Military Hospital > Good morning everyone, > My husband's father was with the Royal Garrison Artillery in WW1, and > spent time at Sandown, he was there 1-3-1914, possibly for up to 1 year. > Could someone please suggest some links for me to check out to find out > what he would have been doing there, was it something like coastal > defence? > He spent some time in Parkhurst Military Hospital during May 1914, can > I find any references to this place online please? Google has failed to > help me with references to it in 1914. > Many thanks, > Jill > Brisbane. ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Jill, Check out www.fortsandbatteries.co.uk for history and pictures of Sandown Barracks Battery & Sandown Fort. There is loads about the history of IOW on www.iwhistory.org.uk where you will find links to lots of other atricles / sites which may give you more info. Also Parkhurst Barracks (now the Prison) has it's own website at www.wightonline.co.uk/parkhurst-heritage which has a couple of pictures of the barracks, including one of the hospital. Wikipedia - Parkhurst Prison was first built as a military hospital in 1805 and was later transformed to a prison for boys awaiting deportation, mainly to Australia, as part of the Parkhurst act of 1835. It's possible that your father-in-law was actually at Albany Barracks, Parkhurst (as this was the training barracks) - The original buildings were demolished and it also became part of the Prison in the 1960s - there is an old photo of the gate house at http://www.carisbrooke.shalfleet.net/newport_2.htm . Regards Vanessa Dorset ----- Original Message ----- From: "jmglover" <jmglover@tpg.com.au> To: <Isle-of-Wight@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: [IoW] Sandown : Parkhurst Military Hospital > Good morning everyone, > My husband's father was with the Royal Garrison Artillery in WW1, and > spent time at Sandown, he was there 1-3-1914, possibly for up to 1 year. > Could someone please suggest some links for me to check out to find out > what he would have been doing there, was it something like coastal > defence? > He spent some time in Parkhurst Military Hospital during May 1914, can > I find any references to this place online please? Google has failed to > help me with references to it in 1914. > Many thanks, > Jill > Brisbane.

Good morning everyone, My husband's father was with the Royal Garrison Artillery in WW1, and spent time at Sandown, he was there 1-3-1914, possibly for up to 1 year. Could someone please suggest some links for me to check out to find out what he would have been doing there, was it something like coastal defence? He spent some time in Parkhurst Military Hospital during May 1914, can I find any references to this place online please? Google has failed to help me with references to it in 1914. Many thanks, Jill Brisbane.

A good site for WW1 is "The Long, Long Trail" website www.1914-1918.net .  I looked at what they had on the RGA and several companies were based at Sandown - I didn't check right down the list but the ones I saw were engaged in coastal defences.  If you can track down his medal record on the National Archives website you can download it for a small charge and find out which company he was in.  There are also WW1 war diaries downloadable from the National Archives website so you can also find out exactly what was happening in the company he was in at the time he was there (I think the information in the diaries is pretty variable though - some are more detailed than others).  I am going by my own research into my grandfather who was not in the RGA so apologies if this is not correct for the RGA! Regards, Joy ________________________________ From: jmglover <jmglover@tpg.com.au> To: Isle-of-Wight@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 18 April, 2010 12:39:01 Subject: [IoW] Sandown : Parkhurst Military Hospital Good morning everyone,     My husband's father was with the Royal Garrison Artillery in WW1, and spent time at Sandown, he was there 1-3-1914, possibly for up to 1 year. Could someone please suggest some links for me to check out to find out what he would have been doing there, was it something like coastal defence?     He spent some time in Parkhurst Military Hospital during May 1914, can I find any references to this place online please? Google has failed to help me with references to it in 1914. Many thanks, Jill Brisbane.               ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are 8 Bizzill/Richardson births registered on the Island in the 1850/1860s, though no marriage beforehand which would suggest this is the result of the Portsea marriage in 1847. 1851 census: Charles (Journeyman Cordwainer), Martha and son Charles (11 months) living at Woodbine Place, Cowes (parish of Northwood). Charles born Newport, Martha in Cowes. (Ref Class: HO107; Piece: 1662; Folio: 62; Page: 24). In 1841 Charles looks to be in Cowes, transcribed as Bazell, aged 15, an Apprentice, but what type not recorded. He is in the household of William Wise, a Carpenter, but there is a Shoemaker in the previous household (Ref Class: HO107; Piece 407; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Northwood; County: Hampshire; Enumeration District: 7; Folio: 37; Page: 15) By the way referring to Joy's message, Charles & Martha's son Charles was actually Charles Edward according to the IWFHS BMD (born 1850), not Charles Reginald. Jon Baker -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [IoW] Bizzill and Richardson families Hello Joanne, Can you give some specific details to give a starting point.  What do you already know?  I have looked on www.familysearch.org  and saw that a baptism of Alice Bizzill gives Charles Daniel Bizzill and Martha Richardson as her parents so I am guessing that you want to know about them - or have you already got further back? >From the International Geneaogical Index (IGI) on www.familysearch.org Charles Daniel Bizzill was born on 14 Jul 1824 and baptised 22 Aug 1824 at Carisbrooke, parents Jonathan and Sarah Ann.   I couldn't find Martha's baptism on the IGI.  www.freebmd.org.uk is an index of the birth marriage and death registrations from 1837.   I found the marriage of Charles and Martha Dec qtr 1847 Portsea district 7 296.  If you obtain the marriage certificate it will give the names and occupations of their fathers. I searched on the National Archives website and there is a Royal Navy record of service for Charles Reginald Bizzill born west Cowes who I think is Charles and Martha's son (going by 1861 census). Regards, Joy ________________________________ From: Joanne Noack <jbnoack@sbcglobal.net> To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 17 April, 2010 20:01:51 Subject: [IoW] Bizzill and Richardson families I am looking for information on the Bizzill and Richardson families. Thank you in advance.

Hi Eddie, Just to add to Joy's wonderful message already sent you: 1911 census (Free Search on www.1911census.co.uk ) HOUSEHOLD HIRTER EDNA F 1908 3 Isle of Wight Hampshire HOUSEHOLD HIRTER HANS M 1876 35 Steyning Sussex HOUSEHOLD HIRTER MILDRED F 1885 26 Isle of Wight Hampshire It appears that Hans (Johann) is in Sussex (possibly returned to Hastings to visit Mildred's family / friends) while Mildred, with their daughter Edna, remained on the IoW. If you search FreeBMD (www.freebmd.org.uk ) - HIRTER: It gives you the marriage of Hans & Mildred, the births of their 5 children (including Vera who died within a few months of being born) and the marriages of 2 of the children. Ancestry has the baptisms of : Name: Eidelweiss Mildred Edna HIRTER Gender: Female Birth Date: 21 Apr 1908 Christening Date: 7 Jun 1908 Christening Place: Shalfleet, Hampshire, England Age at Christening: 0 Father's Name: Hans HIRTER Mother's Name: Mildred (I take this to be your namesake - and the Edna on the 1911 census above.) also: Name: Audrey Gwendoline Marie HIRTER Gender: Female Birth Date: abt 1912 Christening Date: 4 Sep 1912 Christening Place: Sandown, Hampshire, England Father's Name: Hans HIRTER Mother's Name: Mildred I can't find any trace of Johann (Hans) before 1904, so I would assume that he arrived in England between 1901 and 1904. Johann HIRTER (aged 85), death registered June 1/4 1960 Chanctonbury District, Sussex Mildred HIRTER (aged 80), death registered March 1/4 1965 Chanctonbury District, Sussex Mildred MANTELL is on both the 1891 & 1901 census' with her parents Erastmus & Elizabeth and her 5 siblings (including her half brother George Henry REED). Erastus MANTELL is on 1851 census with his parents Benjamin & Ann and siblings in Fairlight, Sussex. In 1871 he is an Ordinary Seaman at sea aboard HMS Crocodile. In 1881 he is a General Labouerer with his wife Elizabeth and 4 children in Brading, IoW. Benjamin MANTELL is on 1841 & 1851 census with Ann and 3 children in Fairlight, Sussex. They are on 1871 census with their daughter Ellen (CARTER) in Alverstoke, Hants Ann is still with Ellen in 1881, but is a widow. Benjamin MANTELL's baptism is on the Sussex OPC (see www.sussex-opc.org ) BENJAMIN MANTELL - 29 OCT 1809 @ St. Thomas a Becket, Pagham, Sussex, England Parents: George MANTELL & Elizabeth In order to find Ann CHARLES' baptism, you could try contacting Sue Merkle, the OPC for Osmington, Dorset (see www.opcdorset.org ). Ann MANTELL (aged 74), death registered Mar 1/4 1885 Alverstoke I can't find Benjamin's death registration. I hope this helps further your searches. Regards Vanessa Dorset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eddie" <eddiew39@bigpond.com> To: <Isle-of-Wight@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 10:34 PM Subject: [IoW] HIRTER, MANTELL > Hi I am just starting on my family tree after a break of 10yrs, and admit > to > feeling like a 'Newbie" in family research. > > I am currently looking for information on the HIRTER and MANTELL familys. > > If anyone can help me I would really appreciate it. > > I have a Johann HIRTER married to Mildred MANTELL. Her parents were > Erastus > MANTELL and Elizabeth Ellen REED, and his parents were Benjamin MANTELL > married to Ann CHARLES. > > Thank you Edelweiss