Hi all, I wonder if someone can answer this question: Would the birth of an illigitmate child born in 1917 be registered under the mother's name Before being informally "adopted" by another couple? And would that couple have been able to register the birth of the child under their name Either first or after "adopting" the child? Hoping someone knows about this. I am trying to establish the birth name of my husband's MOTHER. Who was adopted by a childless couple Herbert ANTROBUS & Emily (previously HAYTER) living in Freshwater IoW and married there in 1911. Any suggestions please - we are desperate to find out. Lis Warwood Adelaide South Australia

Thank you Diana for going to the trouble of finding out about the Settlement Records -- most useful Regards Sally Malyon

Cannot remember who asked but was at IWRO today so asked the Count Archivist. He said that there are a few - Godshill, Newchurch and Newport particularly but that because of the House of Industry, which predated most workhouses by 50 years, they tend to end around 1770. Godshill and Newchurch are listed individually in the handlist to the parish records, 18th century it looked like. Those for Newport, which are presumably fairly numerous, are still in bundles of several years together but there is an alphabetical index book for them 1681 - 1774. Newchurch and Newport I noticed also have good runs of rate books and accounts in the parish records

Kokeritz (Placenames of the IW) gives Goldings Farm in Carisbrooke as Golden 1775, 1781 and Goldens 1844 'probably manorial like Goldings in Thorley' Goldings in Thorley he gives as Goldings 1608 'Probably manorial'. Local pronunciation 'gu:ldnz' Not a lot of help really!! Di ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Baker" <jon@vectis10w.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:46 PM Subject: [IoW] Goldrings/Goldings > All > Looking back over some of my old notes concerning my RYALL family research I > realised that James RYALL baptised 31 May 1795 in Calbourne was born > (according to later (1834) pauper records) at Thorley Farm, Thorley. This is > not a parish I have had any previous connection with, all of James' siblings > were born/baptised in other parishes (Mottistone, Calbourne, Whippingham). I > assume that their Father Joshua was an itinerant agricultural labourer hired > on a yearly basis and then often moving on. I looked up Thorley Farm (on the > old maps web site) and found it (right by St Swithins Church) and right next > to "Goldrings", which appears to be another farm. > > Much later (1851 census) other members of the RYALL family were recorded as > living at Goldings (no "r") in Carisbrooke parish (actually at Bowcombe). > Is this just a coincidence? Does anyone know the origins of the name > Goldrings (Thorley) or Goldings (Carisbrooke)? Was it a family name perhaps? > I have found in other parts of the country that families moved around to > different estates owned by the same family, was there an estate owner on the > Island who may have owned land at Thorley and Bowcombe? > > Jon Baker > Calne, Wiltshire, UK > > Family History: www.vectis10w.freeserve.co.uk > Calne & District Skittles League: www.calneskittles.org.uk > > Researching: RYALL (Isle of Wight/South Africa), DOWNTON (Dorset/IOW/NZ), > KEEN > (Gloucs/IOW), WALKER (Oxford/Nova Scotia), JOHNSON (Gloucs), BAKER > (London/Hampshire), HAYTER (Hampshire), HUGHES (Co Armagh), STEWART (Co > Down) >

Also reviewed in the IW Family History Society Journal Feb 2002 - copy given by Biddy to their library ----- Original Message ----- From: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 1:00 PM Subject: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-D Digest V04 #4

Hi Lister, Can someone tell me the way to go about finding an address in Hereford, With only the  First name & Surname to go on in 1837.    Isaac            Brace   Regards Martin.Brace Owner of Chivington Surname mailing list @Rootsweb.com tinbra1@aol.com tinbra@msn.com

Hi Could some kind person lookup the following in the 1871 IOW Census: John BUNDY (born 25 December 1822 Redlynch, Wiltshire) George BRIGHT (born abt 1861 Shalfleet, Isle of Wight) Sarah Ann SHOTTER (born abt 1846 Wellow, Isle of Wight) Ellen Ann S DYER (born abt 1853 Newport, Isle of Wight) Many many thanks in anticipation, and best wishes to all for 2004 Linda

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I wonder if someone could explain the meaning of the sub-headings and content found in the Consolidated Parish Records (Lay Subsidies, Winwill, etc.). I have thi file (WOODFORD only) which I could send to anyone who is a fundi on CONPRI direct to enable them to understand what I am talking about. Are these records abbreviated notes of more substantial sources of information? a] This item (there are others on the file) is of particular interest to me as I have been trying to confirm that James Woodford had sons named John and Joseph - Benjamin is my g/grandfather and his sister Ann married a Joseph NORMAN in 1837. WOODFORD Ward 993 1871 24 June Conveyance Cottage + garden (1/2A) at Nodwell Freshwater 1) James WOODFORD of Calbourne Widower Benjamin WOODFORD of Calbourne Innkeeper Joseph WOODFORD of Cowes. Gent John WOODFORD of Calbourne. Butcher Ann WORMAN of Thorley widow 2) John EMBERLEY of Freshwater Malster William HIMMERS of Langbridge Farm Newchurch Yeoman 3) W.G. WARD of Cowes Esq. Would the 5 WOODFORD family be those recieving transfer of the property and those ;isted in 2) and 3) be those disposing of it. b) Here are the headings I would appreciate an explanation of: 1] "Lay Subsidy" -a tax paid or susidy recieved? ; 2] "Newport Terrior" - a newspaper? ; 3] "Win Wills Archdeaconary" ? 4] " Win wills Consistory" ? 5] "P.C.C. Wills" ? 6] "Win Act Book" ? 7] "WIN / SCH " ? 8] "Win Wills Cons" ? 8] "Win Admons" ? 8] "Win Cause Papers" ? The only item I know is "Ship money" which was explained on pg.3 of the IOWFHS Nov.2003 journal. A big ask I know but all bits and pieces will be appreciated. Terence

Thanks Dave, that's a great help, let's hope it's the right Sarah! The 1851 census has her, age 59 living with Cornelius and daughter Caroline at 3 Pyle Street and has her birth as Gatcombe, is that a possibility? I need to look at my map to see where Whitwell is. Regards Sally

Hello List, During the holiday period someone asked for help with Abraham(s) research - are they still interested as we may be able to help them. Lesley Abraham, Isle of Wight.

Dear Angela, I think we've corresponded before - it's been such a long time since my family name has appeared on the list. I have a copy of the book (Biddy SHEPHARD and I are 5th cousins) in fact, I wrote a review of it for the worldwide Morey Forum: Book Review The Moreys by Stacey W. Hyde "Come to meet me tonight in the gloaming, My heart yearns to meet thee alone; Come to meet me beneath the old oak trees, And list to my fond heart's rich tone. I will watch by the old orchard gate love, And count every minute that flies, With more than a lover's impatience Till thou comest to gladden my eyes." Thus wrote Henry Morey, of Carisbrooke, IOW, (email 647 02) soldier and poet, to his future bride, Alice McKnight, at the start of their courtship in 1876 and this book tells their story. Henry ran away from home aged 11, because of his stepfather's cruelty, and joined the army, the 86th Royal County Down regiment, who were stationed at the Albany Barracks, Newport, at the time. In a 30 year army career he rose to the rank of quartermaster sergeant. Alice grew up in Villierstown, a small village in County Waterford, IRL, the daughter of an estate bailiff, she had a happy childhood in the Irish countryside with her brothers and sisters. Henry moved to Ireland with his regiment where he met Alice at Fermoy. Tracing the marriage and the birth records of their 16 children (13 of whom survived to adulthood) would normally have presented a challenge to the family researcher as Henry was posted to far flung places around the world but he left many papers and, together with the reminiscences of family members, his son-in-law, Stacey Hyde, was able to write this book in 1958. It is a very well written and enjoyable account of the trials and tribulations of the family as they lived at various locations and of their successful survival at East Cowes after the early demise of Henry. Not written for publication at the time, it was edited by Henry and Alice's granddaughter, Biddy Shephard, and published, with added illustrations, last year. A second edition, including Henry's previously published poems, "Rhymes from the Ranks" is, I believe, to be published soon and will be available from alan@gsbooks.org.uk. Henry MOREY b.18 Dec 1848, Gunville, Carisbrooke, IOW; d.6 Jun 1905, East Cowes, IOW; m. 4 Dec 1876, Parish Church of Ballysax, County Kildare, IRL; Alice McKNIGHT b.1857, Villierstown, County Waterford, IRL, d.27 Jan 1927, East Cowes, IOW. Children: 1 Henry, b.1877, Curragh Camp, County Kildare, IRL, m.1903, Rose ALFINETTI, LND, d.1965; 2 Jane, b. 1878, Aldershot, HAM, m.1901, Percy ROBERTON, St. James', East Cowes, IOW, d.1960, Cowes, IOW; 3 Percy, b.1880 Aldershot, HAM & d. 1880, buried in a churchyard at Dover en route to Bermuda; 4 Ernest, b. & d.1881, Prospect, Bermuda; 5 Christabel, b.1882, Prospect, Bermuda, d.6 Oct 1885, Halifax, Novia Scotia, CAN of diptheria; 6 Patience, b.31 Dec 1883, Halifax, Novia Scotia, CAN, m.26 dec 1903, Arthur Ronald JACKMAN, East Cowes, IOW, d.1961; 7 John Frederick, b.1886, Novia Scotia, CAN, not married, bur.15 Oct 1962, Northwood, IOW; 8 Alice, b.1887, Nova Scotia, Gibraltar, m.1912, George DEACON, St. David's, East Cowes, IOW, d.1972; 9 Mercy, b.12 Feb 1889, Three Gates (nr Cowes), IOW, m.1918, Stacey W. HYDE, Erith, KEN, d.1970 cremated at Weymouth; 10 Ernest, b.1890 Villierstown, County Waterford, IRL, m.1918, Blanche CROSS from Newport, IOW, d.1966; 11 Christabel, b.1892, Villierstown, County Waterford, IRL, m.1918, Arthur KIND, East Cowes, IOW, d.1982, ashes buried East Cowes cemetery at parents' grave; 12 Edwin, b.1893, Villierstown, County Waterford, IRL, m.1914, Winifred May HOMER, East Cowes, IOW, d.1965; 13 Kathleen, b.1894, East Cowes, IOW, m.1922, William Basil ADAMS, LND, d.1981; 14 Amelia, b.30 Jun 1896, East Cowes, IOW, m.Dec 1920, Thomas SHEATH, St James, East Cowes, IOW, d.1990, cremated Bath; 15 Grace, b. Mar 1899, East Cowes, IOW, m.7 Aug 1928, Gordon CREIGHTON, East Cowes, IOW; d.1985; 16 Olive, b.Sep 1901, East Cowes, IOW, m.Apr 1924, Erl DERHAM, East Cowes, IOW; d.1985. Henry MOREY was the illegitimate son of Jane MOREY and Henry Philip RIDDETT, cabinet maker from Ryde, IOW: 1823 Jane MOREY F B 11 Apr 1823 John MOREY Sarah KETCOTT Sarah dau of Robt.&Eliz. Carisbrooke IOW HAM ENG Blue 083 KLN Mary Whittington Blue Series Jane married widower James DUNFORD, in 1853: 1853 Jane MOREY F M 21 Sep 1853 John MOREY James DUNFORD S,W Northwood IOW HAM ENG Email 408 06 Abraham DUNFORD KLN Mary Whittington Morey Forum. Mike Morey Streatham, London 3 May 2002 IOWFHS 1403

Hi Elmo while agreeing wholeheartedly with all your proposed resolutions may I say that this list is better than most. Also re >I will not let my mailbox fill-up to the point were my ISP bounces incoming >messages. I am afraid I would have to amend the above one as I have a hotmail account and if - as it appears happened last Friday/Saturday - I receive two huge junk mail attachments then I cannot guarantee there will be room in the mailbox for the eagerly awaited IOW list digest over the Oz weekend. So I will try not to let my mailbox fill-up to the point were hotmail bounces incoming messages. And a happy and successful new year to all on this list with hopefully not too many weapons of mass distraction to quote Blair. All the best David _________________________________________________________________ ninemsn Premium transforms your e-mail with colours, photos and animated text. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp

A list published yesterday in our paper ( here in Aust ) listed the top 10 boys and girls names for the year. BOYS ( in order of most popular ) LACHLAN THOMAS JACK JOSHUA WILLIAM MATTHEW ALEXANDER NICHOLAS SAMUEL ETHAN ( sounds like something they give you in hospital ) HARRISON HARRY GIRLS EMILY GEORGIA EMMA OLIVIA SOPHIE CHARLOTTE HANNAH GRACE ELLA CAITLIN CHLOE In the USA some of the most bizzare names registered last year were : ARWEN CANON CHEVROLET CELICA L'OREAL ARMANI TIMBERLAND CHANEL DENIM GOUDAS ( named after Cheese ...poor child) The pick : XEROX Angela

Hello , Flicking through a back issue of Family Tree Magazine October 2003 and found the following THE MOREYS : A double Biography 1848 -1927 by Stacey W Hyde This book is based on the MOREY family . Henry Morey 1848 -1905 from the Isle Of Wight married Alice McKNIGHT ( 1857 - 1927 ) from Ireland, and they went on to have 16 children . The author was able to draw upon his own recollections as well as papers left by Harry Morey, icluding a very interesting diary which is extensively quoted, and memoried from members of the family. Book is available from Mr and Mrs A W SHEPHARD , 14 Beckford Close, Warminster, Wiltshire BA12 9LW email alan@gsbooks.org.uk Priced 12.99 (pounds) inc postage . Thought this might interest a few Angela

Greetings from Australia I'm interesting to see if any of this group have connections with the following families. Charles SMITH born about 1803 Northwood, Isle of Wight, married 1/1/1837 Northwood to Catherine KENNEY/KENNY born about 1808 Northwood.(This information found on the IGI web site.) My Great Grandfather was Charles Thomas SMITH born abt 1846 Portsmouth (found this information on his marriage certificate & different census) in 1873 at Ramsgate Kent he married Catherine Ann SUTTON, he was a widow at the time of this marriage. His father's name was Charles but was he had died before this marriage, details from marriage certificate. Several of Charles & Catherine's children names included KENNEY/KENNY, so I believe that his parents maybe the ones I listed above. If you can help me I would love to hear from you. Regards Ann SAYER New South Wales, Australia

I was interested to see the question raised about settlement certificates on the Island but have not seen any replies on List. Would be interested to know whether anyone has come across them as I too found them useful in researching other counties i.e. Essex. Thanks Sally Malyon Researching: TYLER, KEARLEY, STEPHENS, PEACH

Hello List, Could somebody with access to the 1891 Census for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight kindly see if the can find a George PHILLIPS aged about 28, and his wife Annie. They were both born in Ryde, Isle of Wight, but could well be in Southampton or Portsmouth in 1891. Many thanks Ruth Derby

Hello Ruth, I have found GEORGE PHILLIPS Head M 28 Joiner Born Ryde I of W ANNIE PHILLIPS Wife M 29 " ISABELLA " Dau 8 Scholar " ELLEN " " 6 " Born Hants. Bursleden GEORGE " Son 5 " " ANNIE " Dau 3 " FREDERICK " Son 1 " RG12/856 Folio 120 Page 2 Parish Portsea Municipal Ward St Matthew The address appears to be: 21 Armand Street [or Ornaud Street] 1891 census Portsmouth Hampshire I hope that this helps.Valerie

Hi I'm looking for Annie BULL born 20 September 1880 at Newport Road, Ventnor, Isle of Wight (UK) to Henry BULL and Caroline FLUX. Is she one of yours? Good Huntin' Trevor Tomasin Visit http://www.tomasin.org.uk to see if we could be 'Cousins'! I maintain a 'near miss' database of all contacts and can provide a .pdf copy if required. Researching - BANTON - BULL - COLLIS - LEAVERS - HOPKINS - KNIGHT - MARTIN - MOODY - PERKIS - PUNCH - PURCHES - STRETTEN - TAYLOR - TOMASIN - VINCENT - WILLIAMS & Derivatives. To join the relevant Mailing List send the word subscribe in a message to that list, ie TOMASIN-L-request@rootsweb.com This e-mail & any attachments to it, have been automatically checked for 'nasties' by Norton Anti Virus 2003.