Welcome Phil, I have been waiting to see if you had any other reply's before I add my little bit, I don't know if there is any connection, the only Russell link I have is a first marriage to my Grandmother Annie Louise HOBBS b.1902 Newport (father John HOBBS/GUSTAR) to Alfred R. RUSSELL in 1923 All Saints Freshwater, she then married my grandfather Frank LOCK in 1935 at Barton after Alfred died. Have you tried "The Isle of Wight Family History Society "site, they have the records of all marriages on the island since 1837, with you being new to the list you may not know about it. Good luck with your search, regards Andrea Cox _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

Hi Martin I have always known it as short for Katherine i.e.Kitty Kat? Had a school friend of this abbreviation Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tinbra1@aol.com> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:01 PM Subject: [IoW] What is Kitty short for(OT) > Hi Lister, > I wondered if you could help I have a name called Kitty but what is Kitty > short for > TIA > Regards > Martin Brace > Owner of Chivington Surname mailing list @Rootsweb.com > tinbra1@aol.com > tinbra@msn.com >

Martin, What was the answer? Don't keep us all in suspense. I would be interested to know for my own research and I'm sure many other would also. Thanks Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tinbra1@aol.com> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:35 PM Subject: [IoW] Thanks for replies Kitty > Hi > Thankyou for your replies and how quick you were. > Regards > > > Martin.Brace > Owner of Chivington Surname mailing list @Rootsweb.com > tinbra1@aol.com > tinbra@msn.com >

Kitty is short for Kathleen,Katherine or Kate and someone said Elizabeth Regards Martin.Brace Owner of Chivington Surname mailing list @Rootsweb.com tinbra1@aol.com tinbra@msn.com

Hi Thankyou for your replies and how quick you were. Regards Martin.Brace Owner of Chivington Surname mailing list @Rootsweb.com tinbra1@aol.com tinbra@msn.com

Hi Lister, I wondered if you could help I have a name called Kitty but what is Kitty short for TIA Regards Martin Brace Owner of Chivington Surname mailing list @Rootsweb.com tinbra1@aol.com tinbra@msn.com

Repeat after being filtered as spam Terence ----- Original Message ----- From: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> To: T Woodford <derence@telkomsa.net> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [IoW] re: CONPRI > Your email message was temporarily blocked by my spam > filter. If you feel this is an error, please follow > these instructions. > > The attached image contains a password. > Reply to this email and enter the password > in the subject or body of your reply. > > Thank you. > ____________________________________________________ > This email account is protected with Spam Bully. > www.spambully.com > > Thanks Diana for that very detailed list of definitions. As always you expand on a subject to include all manner of interesting information which is greatlt appreciated.. > "Fundi" translates to "A highly knowledgeable person". I stand corrected. I fully expected to find it in the dictionary. It is probably a term picked up from some other language but certainly often used here. > Shirley, thanks for setting the record straight on CONTRI. > Regards and Best Wishes for a Great 2004 to all, > Terence > > > > e c > > >

Hi Sally-Ann I don't know too much about the BENNETTs yet, but my Gt Aunt - Alice RUSSELL bn 1890 Married a Victor H L BENNETT in 1909 whose family owned a nursery in Pellhurst Rd. Ryde. I believe they had a son Edward (Teddy). Does this mean anything to you ? Phil - in sunny Norwich. >-- Original Message -- >From: "Sally-Ann Garrett" <sallyann.garrett2@btinternet.com> >To: <phil.hillier@tiscali.co.uk>, > <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [IoW] New Lister >Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 23:48:00 -0000 > > >What is your BENNETT connection? I have BENNETT relatives, from Ryde, starting with my mother Jean, b 1918; my Grandfather Henry,b 1876; my great grandfather Edward, b 1856; my GG Grandfather Henry, b 1824 in Odiham Hants; GGG Grandfather John, b 1 >95, Crondall Hants. Any connection? Sally-Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <phil.hillier@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:34 PM Subject: [IoW] New Lister Hi, I am currently researc >ing my family history on the IoW and would like to hear from any one who may have any further info. My Mother was a RUSSELL born in Binstead and was one of 10 children of Ellen and Ernest Russell (who were cousins). Her Grandfathers George and >harles Russell were born in Arreton, and their father Henry came from Shorwell. Other Surnames: JAMES - Kingston IoW MACKETT - Ryde BENNETT - Ryde Cheers for now Phil Hillier (Norfolk)

What is your BENNETT connection? I have BENNETT relatives, from Ryde, starting with my mother Jean, b 1918; my Grandfather Henry,b 1876; my great grandfather Edward, b 1856; my GG Grandfather Henry, b 1824 in Odiham Hants; GGG Grandfather John, b 1795, Crondall Hants. Any connection? Sally-Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <phil.hillier@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:34 PM Subject: [IoW] New Lister Hi, I am currently researching my family history on the IoW and would like to hear from any one who may have any further info. My Mother was a RUSSELL born in Binstead and was one of 10 children of Ellen and Ernest Russell (who were cousins). Her Grandfathers George and Charles Russell were born in Arreton, and their father Henry came from Shorwell. Other Surnames: JAMES - Kingston IoW MACKETT - Ryde BENNETT - Ryde Cheers for now Phil Hillier (Norfolk)

Hello Listers, Thought you would be interested in this part of the original message posted by Trevor Stapleton on the Hampshire list, I have had a look and its very good, was able to access the directories for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight for 1899 and 1865, although it only lists one person (head of household) for an address.It did take a while to get to the island section, but well worth the visit. Like a Yellow Pages but without the phone number!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Part of original message reads:- The web site address about Leicester University, is http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ this will take you to the front page. Just glad to pass it on. Regards Andrea. _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

Thanks Diana for that very detailed list of definitions. As always you expand on a subject to include all manner of interesting information which is greatlt appreciated.. "Fundi" translates to "A highly knowledgeable person". I stand corrected. I fully expected to find it in the dictionary. It is probably a term picked up from some other language but certainly often used here. Shirley, thanks for setting the record straight on CONTRI. Regards and Best Wishes for a Great 2004 to all, Terence

Diana Harding Thanks, Diana, for the explanation. I told Terence that you would know! As to CONPRI - that is my own acronym for Consolidate Parish Register Index - a series of micro-films which can be accessed through LDS libraries. My apologies if it muddied the waters for any-one. In your explanation you called it “The IWRO card index”. Best wishes Shirley _________________________________________________________________ Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp

Hi, I am currently researching my family history on the IoW and would like to hear from any one who may have any further info. My Mother was a RUSSELL born in Binstead and was one of 10 children of Ellen and Ernest Russell (who were cousins). Her Grandfathers George and Charles Russell were born in Arreton, and their father Henry came from Shorwell. Other Surnames: JAMES - Kingston IoW MACKETT - Ryde BENNETT - Ryde Cheers for now Phil Hillier (Norfolk)

Hi Lister, Just a quick thankyou to all who replied to my address search problem. Regards Martin.Brace Owner of Chivington Surname mailing list @Rootsweb.com tinbra1@aol.com tinbra@msn.com

IWRO Index Explanations for <Ward 993 1] "Lay Subsidy" -a tax paid or subsidy received? ; 2] "Newport Terrier" - a newspaper? ; 3] "Win Wills Archdeaconry" ? 4] " Win wills Consistory" ? 5] "P.C.C. Wills" ? 6] "Win Act Book" ? 7] "WIN / SCH " ? 8] "Win Wills Cons" ? 8] "Win Admons" ? 8] "Win Cause Papers"> This part of IWRO card index (after the CMBs, i.e. the name index proper) contains references to documents in its own collections and also to a number of records held elsewhere but for which the RO had printed indexes in its Library (mainly the Win ones). So it contains abstracts of title deeds to property in the RO's own estate collections which is what the first is (the Ward family held much land in Northwood, Cowes and Freshwater and a little elsewhere - the first of the family here, George Ward, came to the Island in the 1790's). Such abstracts usually include any personal names and a description of sorts of the property, but the amount of detail varies enormously according to the policy/staffing of the office at the time the deeds were listed. For some purposes (e.g establishing someone was alive or living in a particular parish) the index card will be enough but otherwise they are like any index, a pointer to whether or not you need to look at the original document. If WARD 993 is a deed of sale then the parties of the first part would be selling - as they look related it may be that someone has died leaving a property to be shared between them. Without looking at the actual deed it would not be possible to deduce who the parties of the second part are - perhaps executors of a will so linked with the Woodfords, or trustees e.g. parish officials if buying on behalf of say the local school, or trustees for W G Ward (though his trustees would more likely have been solicitors). If it was a mortgage on the other hand they might be conveying the property to George Ward in return for a loan. As regards the other references - see a dictionary of genealogy, local history, basic family tree tracing book e.g. Ancestral Trails for explanations of the types of records. Basically:- Lay (ie. people who were not clergy) subsidy - a tax on movables (as opposed to land) introduced at the end of the 13th century. Original documents in class E179 at the National Archives, Kew. Terrier - a written description of a landed property, often found in manorial / estate records or borough collections (as this for Newport is so it covers the land owned by the Borough Corporation). A Glebe Terrier deals with land belonging to an incumbent's benefice so often found in parish records. The Newport Terrier is in the IWRO. Win = Winchester, the diocese in which the Isle of Wight lay before the new diocese of Portsmouth was created just over 75 years ago. Indexes to many Probate and other church jurisdiction records for the diocese were published many years ago. Court papers and Act books are the record of court cases often involving probate matters but other things as well. Wills and Letters of Administration (abbr. Admon) are probate records. Archdeaconry (abbr. Arch sometimes) and Consistory (abbr Cons) are the Archdeacon's and Bishop's courts in which wills were proved and Letters of Administration granted. PCC = Prerogative Court of Canterbury which is the Court of the Archbishop of Canterbury in London (PCY is the same for York if you have ancestors in northern England). The basic rule of thumb (there were always exceptions) of where a will was proved if testator had property in one archdeaconry then the executors went to the archdeacon's court (this may possibly have been done locally) if testator had property in two archdeaconries then they went to the consistory court at Winchester if testator had property in two dioceses then they went to the PCC (PCY if in north of England but if the testator had property in two archdioceses they went to the PCC which was the superior court) However, PCC was attractive to people like Quakers as it was more like a civil court that an ecclesiastical one. It was also used by people who wanted to pretend they were better than they were - or who just fancied a trip to London! You did not have to be rich to have your will proved at the PCC. PCC also took wills for people who died overseas (abbr. to Pts for Foreign Parts). You would have to check with the IWRO to discover what years of the printed PCC indexes have been included. WIN SCH = the person's name is on the published list of scholars at Winchester School Hope this helps Di I have to pass on fundi and conpri :-)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "T Woodford" <derence@telkomsa.net> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:48 PM Subject: [IoW] CONPRI

Help please, I have acquired an old photograph from the early 1920's, which is a JAMES family wedding (most probably in Portsmouth), attended by many MUNFORD & WESTON people and Harriett AYLWARD (from IOW). I am trying to identify everybody on the photo, but have hit some brick walls (don't we all). Perhaps anybody recognising the names above could take a look at the photo to see if they can help me out. The photo is posted on the MUNFORD site, run by Ben MUNFORD. The url is http://members.ozemail.com.au/~munfordb/ancs.htm Click on the words 'Isle of Wight' on the left of the page and scroll down below the story of the MUNFORD family on the IOW to see the picture. By the way, Lord Harry Pestell was not a real 'Lord' - they just christened him that!! Thanks in advance Alan

Hi, a friend of mines great nan was born illegitamately in the early 1900s in Kent. Her mother, the powers that be decided, wasnt fit to look after her so she was taken to live with a family connected to the church. She was actually baptised with her mothers name, and then the name was changed to her new families name. I think it may be the case before the adoption laws were introduced that the new family changed your name to theirs on arrival verbally. regards Carol, Dover, Kent where its pouring and blowing a gale

If anyone can help this chap please email me off list and I'll pass on the email address. Interesting the only thing I have on this family is a Birth for Micajah Clarke son of Michael and Margaret 1661 ( source PRO IOW ) and nothing else , no other kids , marriages zilch. Could someone please explain to me why families from IOW were packed off to Barbados ? What sort of crime did they commit if any ?? Angela My name is Robert Clifton Clark of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, USA. I started searching my family history years ago after my father died (1988) and discovered that my family had come from Barbados. Then, I was on a business trip in Salt Lake City, Utah and searched the LDS records and found that the Clarks in Barbados had come from England. Based on information learned there, I searched the internet and found that my family comes from the Isle of Wight -- Michajah Clark married Sallie Ann Moorman in 1680. Her father was exiled to Barbados and several family members went with him including Micajah and his wife. The name Micajah continued to pass down through the generations in the USA.

Di Thanks for the information on settlement records (it was me that asked). Looks like a possible avenue for me to explore next time I get down to the Island. Kind of hoping you might have said Calbourne but that was a tad optimistic. Thanks also for the information on Goldings/Goldrings, though still not sure how I would pronounce 'gu:ldnz' even in dialect. Perhaps I'll stick to nammits and mallishags ;-) Jon Baker Calne, Wiltshire, UK Family History: www.vectis10w.freeserve.co.uk Calne & District Skittles League: www.calneskittles.org.uk Researching: RYALL (Isle of Wight/South Africa), DOWNTON (Dorset/IOW/NZ), KEEN (Gloucs/IOW), WALKER (Oxford/Nova Scotia), JOHNSON (Gloucs), BAKER (London/Hampshire), HAYTER (Hampshire), HUGHES (Co Armagh), STEWART (Co Down) ----- Original Message ----- From: Diana Harding <di.harding@virgin.net> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 06 January 2004 21:22 Subject: [IoW] Re SETTLEMENT RECORDS > Cannot remember who asked but was at IWRO today so asked the Count > Archivist. He said that there are a few - Godshill, Newchurch and Newport > particularly but that because of the House of Industry, which predated most > workhouses by 50 years, they tend to end around 1770. > > Godshill and Newchurch are listed individually in the handlist to the parish > records, 18th century it looked like. Those for Newport, which are > presumably fairly numerous, are still in bundles of several years together > but there is an alphabetical index book for them 1681 - 1774. > > Newchurch and Newport I noticed also have good runs of rate books and > accounts in the parish records > > ______________________________

Hi All I'd be interested to know the answer to this one, as my mother was taken in by a couple under similar circumstances - she thinks she knows the name of her birth mother, but as yet I have had no luck in locating records. AS I understand it, the "adoption" was before any official adoption procedures were recorded - I believe that was around 1921. Sally-Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lis Warwood" <jimwarwo@tpg.com.au> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:51 AM Subject: [IoW] re ANTROBUS Hi all, I wonder if someone can answer this question: Would the birth of an illigitmate child born in 1917 be registered under the mother's name Before being informally "adopted" by another couple? And would that couple have been able to register the birth of the child under their name Either first or after "adopting" the child? Hoping someone knows about this. I am trying to establish the birth name of my husband's MOTHER. Who was adopted by a childless couple Herbert ANTROBUS & Emily (previously HAYTER) living in Freshwater IoW and married there in 1911. Any suggestions please - we are desperate to find out. Lis Warwood Adelaide South Australia