Hi listers, Thank you for your comments, Looks like I be using LDS family tree program in the future. Thanks again. Regards Martin Brace Owner of CHIVINGTON surname board @rootsweb.com other names: BERTRAND--BETHNAL GREEN, LONDON & FRANCE. BRACE--BRISTOL, HEREFORD & LONDON. COLLINS--BETHNAL GREEN. CHANNELL--EWELL, EPSOM, ANYWHERE. CHIVINGTON--EWELL, SURREY, LONDON, STOW, ANYWHERE. FOX--LONDON. MCNAMARA--LONDON, ISLE OF WIGHT, CO CLARE READING--OTFORD SEVENOAKS. SUMMERS--BERMONDSEY, BELLINGHAM, LONDON. STRANGEWAY--LONDON. http://groups.msn.com/RootTracing

We have a section on our website that gives tips and advice on Family History Software which may be handy for you all. Tiny URL link http://tinyurl.com/yvnul (we use TinyURL as a lot of long addresses get chopped by emails) Tiny URL can be found at http://tinyurl.com Chris and Caroline SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) The History of the villages of Hampshire and its surrounding counties http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages -----Original Message----- From: Tinbra1@aol.com [mailto:Tinbra1@aol.com] Sent: 09 April 2004 20:57 To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IoW] GSP FAMILY TREE: THE ULTIMATE GENEALOGY (OT) Hi Listers, I wondered if someone could give me a bit of advise. I am thinking of buying a Family tree package i.e. in subject line. Should I consider the above or another package? Regards Martin Brace Owner of CHIVINGTON surname board @rootsweb.com other names: BERTRAND--BETHNAL GREEN, LONDON & FRANCE. BRACE--BRISTOL, HEREFORD & LONDON. COLLINS--BETHNAL GREEN. CHANNELL--EWELL, EPSOM, ANYWHERE. CHIVINGTON--EWELL, SURREY, LONDON, STOW, ANYWHERE. FOX--LONDON. MCNAMARA--LONDON, ISLE OF WIGHT, CO CLARE READING--OTFORD SEVENOAKS. SUMMERS--BERMONDSEY, BELLINGHAM, LONDON. STRANGEWAY--LONDON. http://groups.msn.com/RootTracing --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.656 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 09/04/2004 --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.656 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 09/04/2004

Hello Andy, Hannah isn't the daughter of William BULL and Jenny YOUNG. The only daughter that I know of was Grace who was baptised at Whitwell in 1768. I have looked at the card index at the Record Office in Newport and could find only one baptism for a Hannah BULL at about the right age for your Hannah: BULL, Hannah d of George, Brighstone, 4 June 1776 I hope this is the right one, Janet

Hi Listers, I wondered if someone could give me a bit of advise. I am thinking of buying a Family tree package i.e. in subject line. Should I consider the above or another package? Regards Martin Brace Owner of CHIVINGTON surname board @rootsweb.com other names: BERTRAND--BETHNAL GREEN, LONDON & FRANCE. BRACE--BRISTOL, HEREFORD & LONDON. COLLINS--BETHNAL GREEN. CHANNELL--EWELL, EPSOM, ANYWHERE. CHIVINGTON--EWELL, SURREY, LONDON, STOW, ANYWHERE. FOX--LONDON. MCNAMARA--LONDON, ISLE OF WIGHT, CO CLARE READING--OTFORD SEVENOAKS. SUMMERS--BERMONDSEY, BELLINGHAM, LONDON. STRANGEWAY--LONDON. http://groups.msn.com/RootTracing

Just to wish everybody on the list a very Happy Easter and hope you have a great weekend Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.654 / Virus Database: 419 - Release Date: 06/04/2004

Good Evening All Just posting my Interests in my Wife's side of the family. Benjamin BLOW c1795 father of William BLOW b 1833 d 1889 Gatcombe who married 27 Apr 1865 at Milford, Lymington Elizabeth KELLOWAY b 1843 Boldre d 1917. I originally had Wiliams father as a David BLOW, but a bitter BLOW when I managed to recently obtain a copy of their marriage certificate and Williams father was given as Benjamin. Incidently David BLOW had a son William who was christened in 1833 and also died in in 1889. It just goes to show how easy it is to get on the wrong track. Dixie Dale FHSC

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Dear Friends & Cousins, In the process of sorting out some of my Trees, I find a direct forebear whom I've have overlooked. She was one Sarah HALL of Chale who m. 1690 at Godshill to William JOLLIFFE, son of Thomas JOLLIFFE and Elizabeth LEIGH. I wonder whether anyone here has further info on the forebears and families of Sarah HALL please, as I have nothing at all on the HALL family. David in Ballarat

Dear Listers, Marvellous to be going on holiday, but shall miss the constant interest of the mail! Just before I unsubscribe.... LANE - from John LANE and Mary MEW (married Godshill 1751), down. SHEATH - Ellen married George James LANE 1856 Arreton. Ellen daughter of Charles SHEATH and Jane COOPER. TAYLOR - Ephraim, married Elizabeth GROVES 1777, Shorwell, down - mostly to Freshwater area, moved to Gosport/Fareham by 1891 CHIVERTON - John, married Susan KNOWLES, 1713, Freshwater. Mary Ann CHIVERTON married Frank Charles TAYLOR, 1867, Freshwater. Names on the way: DOWNER, YOUNG, DAW, WILKINS, WOODFORD, HENDY, WOODS, KENT, WILLIS, RODGERS, and others Any help, beyond that which so many people have already given, would be very welcome. Best wishes from hailing Worthing, Liz Elizabeth Lane, Worthing, Sussex, England liz_lane@ntlworld.com

I'm curious about the posting MaryLou? What is the connection? The story and the report of the funeral of the two men concerned plus photos of the funeral and of the lifeboat can be found on my website: www.rydecemetery.org.uk Sally-Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mlou1173@aol.com> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:56 AM Subject: [IoW] HOWARD and HAINES >From the Liverpool Mercury - January 5, 1907 The Ryde [I.O.Wight] lifeboat on Tuesday capsized off Ryde Pier after a fruitless search for a drifting boat with a man in it. The crew of nine were blown across to Southsea clinging to the boat. When a quarter of a mile from Southsea Castle two men, William HOWARD, High St, Ryde, 2nd Coxswain of the lifeboat and Frank HAINES of Ryde, coastguardman, were swept away from the upturned boat, their bodies subsequently recovered at Southsea. The lifeboat was new and was on her first launch to save a life. The man adrift whose assistance the lifeboat went to was picked up by the Bembridge lifeboat, eastward of the Isle of Wight. Best wishes....mary lou sun valley, id usa

> Hi Helen > Many thanks, I'll save your message and if I do find a link I'll let u know... good luck with your search > Angel (Michele) > > > > > > Message date : Apr 06 2004, 08:50 AM > > From : "Helen Sim" > > To : thewolverine@thexmen.freeserve.co.uk > > Copy to : > > Subject : Haddon/Hatton > > Hello Angel, I have John Haddon who married Sarah Perry in about 1770 and had a son John. I havent't come across Rebecca Haddon tho. They were brewers in Newport. cheers Helen > Join the UK's number one for the internet > Click here Join the UK's number one for the internet www.freeserve.com/time

> -----Original Message----- > From: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:ISLE-OF-WIGHT-D-request@rootsweb.com] > Sent: Monday, 5 April 2004 23:07 > To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-D@rootsweb.com > Subject: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-D Digest V04 #74 > > << Message: >> << Message: [IoW] bondsman? >> << Message: Re: [IoW] East Cowes Gasworks. 1860-1870. >> << Message: [IoW] East Cowes Gas Works >> << Message: [IoW] DYER(IOW) - ELSBURY/ADAMS Portsea marriage look up >> << Message: DYER & BURT >> << Message: Bennett Death >> << Message: LOCK's from Shorwell to East Meon >>

Thank you, Andrea Cox, for your meticulous researching and for sharing your findings about the Lock family. Helen Martin (Dallimore), Australia

From the Liverpool Mercury - January 5, 1907 The Ryde [I.O.Wight] lifeboat on Tuesday capsized off Ryde Pier after a fruitless search for a drifting boat with a man in it. The crew of nine were blown across to Southsea clinging to the boat. When a quarter of a mile from Southsea Castle two men, William HOWARD, High St, Ryde, 2nd Coxswain of the lifeboat and Frank HAINES of Ryde, coastguardman, were swept away from the upturned boat, their bodies subsequently recovered at Southsea. The lifeboat was new and was on her first launch to save a life. The man adrift whose assistance the lifeboat went to was picked up by the Bembridge lifeboat, eastward of the Isle of Wight. Best wishes....mary lou sun valley, id usa

The bondsman was someone who stood surety for the marriage licence - likely to be a relation but not certain which relation e.g could be a brother, uncle etc of the bride not necessarily the father. I wonder if it would ever have been the son if the bride was a widow? ----- Original Message ----- From: "angel" <thewolverine@thexmen.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: [IoW] bondsman? > hi > I'm working on the Warder family that seem to be spread from yarmouth to cowes on the IoW and i have come accross the marriage of George Warder to rebecca Hatton that says bondsman john hatton of newport at the very end... is this likely to be the father and his job? the others from around this period (1770's) don't seem to put more than the names of the people marrying so i find this unusual... can u help? > Freeserve AnyTime - HALF PRICE for the first 3 months - Save £7.50 a month > www.freeserve.com/anytime > > ______________________________

Ian I love a puzzle so here are some thoughts based on my own lot!! If Ann was a widow would she not have married as Bennett? So is the Jolliffe marriage the same person? Is she really widowed or was she just saying so for social nicety and avoid the stigma of divorce? He might have deserted her and left the island. Have you an age for George - there are three on the 1901 census of varying ages which might account for there being no record of his death! I didn't check those giving place of birth as IoW. You've probably done all this but just in case........ Good Luck. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian" <iandunbar@f2s.com> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:22 PM Subject: [IoW] Bennett Death > Ok this is driving me insane. > > George Phillip Bennett married Ann Morris off the Island in 1882, they had > Helen Mary Bennett in 1885 in Ryde. > > Some time after 1885 and before 1893 George Phillip Bennett Died. I know > this because Ann Morris Married Charles Albert Jolliffe on 3 Nov 1894 and > she was a widow. > > Do you think I can find any reference to his death anywhere? NO! > > So before I go totally insane waiting for the very kind people at the IOW > family History society to transcribe the death register, (I wouldn’t' know > about the second marriage if it wasn't for there marvellous efforts so far) > is there some way someone can have a peek for me and see if he is there? > > HELP ! > > Ian > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 09/03/2004 > > > >

Ian Have you considered that George Phillip may have died off the Island? Also consider that he may have died before the birth of Helen Mary, at least up to 9 months before ;-) although of course the birth certificate should be able to confirm this. He may also have died during 1894. There is no obvious match using FreeBMD (searching for George* or Phil*) but if you have his age then you may be able to find some likely candidates. Coverage of deaths for this period is approaching 100% except for 1886 and especially 1887. have you tried 1837 online (http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/), a good place to start would be 1887 since the coverage in FreeBMD is virtually nil. Presumably also you have no record for George Phillip in the 1891 census? Hope this helps. Jon Baker -----Original Message----- From: Ian [mailto:iandunbar@f2s.com] Sent: 04 April 2004 20:22 To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Bennett Death Ok this is driving me insane. George Phillip Bennett married Ann Morris off the Island in 1882, they had Helen Mary Bennett in 1885 in Ryde. Some time after 1885 and before 1893 George Phillip Bennett Died. I know this because Ann Morris Married Charles Albert Jolliffe on 3 Nov 1894 and she was a widow. Do you think I can find any reference to his death anywhere? NO! So before I go totally insane waiting for the very kind people at the IOW family History society to transcribe the death register, (I wouldn’t' know about the second marriage if it wasn't for there marvellous efforts so far) is there some way someone can have a peek for me and see if he is there? HELP ! Ian --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 09/03/2004 ______________________________

In a message dated 05/04/2004 15:38:15 GMT Standard Time, mamagull@yahoo.com writes:> > Also, to the question about Portsea church data - have you tried the > following: www.knightsure.co.uk/knightroots/genealogy? I stumbled across their > website looking for data sources for Portsea and Alverstoke, and their > transcription of the area parish registries are INCREDIBLE!!! Thanks for the plug Sharon Take care Linda & Tony

Hello all, for future reference to researchers here is what we believe to now be the info for this paticular branch of the LOCK family on the IOW. William (yeoman)m. Sarah ARTHUR (widow) 1703 Northwood.Sarah died 30/8/1706 William (widower) m. Mary COOKE 1707 Thorley. Son William (yeoman)1709 m. Elizabeth LODGE 1734 Brooke. Son William(yeoman) b.1746 Brighstone m. Martha MORTIMER 1773 Carisbrooke. Son James(yeoman) b.14/5/1774 Gatcombe,ch.21/8/1774 m.Rachel ROLF 20/10/1804 Shorwell, daughter of Robert ROLF and Mary SMALL (m.1777 Carisbrooke) bp.13/2/1780 Godshill. Children James LOCK 1805 Shorwell (unmarried in 1881 census). Martha LOCK 1807 Shorwell Sarah LOCK ch. 19/3/1809 Shorwell mother Rachel was buried the same day. James Lock (widow) m. Ruth ROLF 16/4/1810 St Marys Portsea, daughter of Robert ROLF and Mary SMALL ch.15/11/1789 Godshill, (sisters). They had the following children Elizabeth,William m. Caroline COLE 26/1/1836,Henry,Maria, Robert m. Francis WAY 1/7/1846,Edward,John,Emma, Jane m. Samuel PADWICK of East Meon 1848 Shorwell and Edwin. James LOCK b,14/5/1774 was a Yeoman at Smallmoor and then later at Rowborough, in 1853 all stock and contents of the farm were sold at an auction ( a photocopy of the goods sold are at the record office). In the 1851 census James the son(1805) is at East Meon, with his step sisters Maria Lock and Jane Padwick. In the 1881 census James is still living at East Meon at Court Farm with two Padwick nieces. On the Monumental Inscriptions for East Meon found on Hampshire Family History site are the following. James LOCK b.14/5/1774 d.5/3/1854 Edwin LOCK b. 4/8/1827 d.29/3/1861 Ruth LOCK widow of James b.28/10/1789 d.7/10/1868 Maria LOCK d.11/4/1877 age 60 of Court House Emma LOCK d.22/11/1880 age 50 of Court Farm James LOCK d.1/10/1885 age 80 of Court Farm Jane Padwick d.3/7/1890 age 66 also buried at East Meon is the son of William LOCK and Caroline COLE, Thomas Cole Lock and his wife Alice Mary BATH. I hope that this in some way helps future researchers, for a long time we believed it was James the son of Robert and Ann GREEN b.1775 at Shorwell who married Ruth Rolf, it was only after checking whether James was a widow when he married her and finding the burial with his birthdate that we were able to connect him back to the James who married Rachel Rolf and who was the son of William Lock and Martha Mortimer. Andrea Cox _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

Graham, you wrote:: >>Their daughter, Clara Jane, was born March 26th 1865. She was baptised at the Parish Church Northwood IoW, the date entered in the church's baptisms register is April 31st.(is the IoW that Different?)<< The dates I've been getting, both through Ann and my own searching is that christenings may have taken place within a day or so of birth until the youngster is a couple of years of age. Birth dates were reported to the church/local county offices, and I too have seen discrepancies in reported birth dates. Also, to the question about Portsea church data - have you tried the following: www.knightsure.co.uk/knightroots/genealogy? I stumbled across their website looking for data sources for Portsea and Alverstoke, and their transcription of the area parish registries are INCREDIBLE!!! Plus they note that they have additional transcriptions not listed on the web site, and are willing do poke through to help. Sharon A in Kansas --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today