>G'day Kathryn, > I had hoped that our 2 Sarahs were the same person. You could see that >Wray and Urry could look similar in script. They both >were born at the same time. I'm positive we are talking about the same woman here. One database I saw her on actually had her name as Sarah Very WHITTINGTON. URRY was often spelled with a "V". You've sure got some mystery to solve though. I am wondering whether, seeing that her mother probably died in child birth, her father may have had her fostered out prior to his re-marrying. He certainly did have a brother James WHITTINGTON, but I know nothing more about him, except to say that he was 9 years younger than Isaac who was the oldest of 9 kids. Just a thought David in Ballarat >The IOW birth index gives only one Sarah >Whittington born at this time but the marriage certificate definitely says >her father was James. The witnesses were Albert and Eliza Ann Cheverton. > The trouble with tracing families on the island is that the same names >keep cropping up. > very puzzling > Kathryn >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Collyer" <dcollyer@giant.net.au> >To: "Kathryn Smith" <alison@oasts.screaming.net>; ><ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 6:53 PM >Subject: Re: [IoW] DOWNER/WHITTINGTON puzzle > > > > > > >Dear Kathryn, > > > > > > I have received their marriage certificate which gives her details >as > > >Sarah Wray WHITTINGTON 21 of Carisbrooke. Her father was James >WHITTINGTON, > > >a dairyman. William FALLICK's father was James FALLICK, deceased, > > >Blacksmith. > > > The IOW baptism index gives only one possible Sarah Urry WHITTINGTON > > >born 1855, Calbourne. > > > > Yes, I have Sarah Urry WHITTINGTON, bap: 19 Sep 1856 at Calbourne, the > > daughter of Isaac WHITTINGTON and his 1st wife, Elzia RIDETT whom he > > married on 14 Aug 1855 at Newport. He married secondly on 5 Nov 1857 at > > Calbourne to Ann MARHSFIELD. I don't have anything further on this Sarah. > > But she is obviously not your Sarah whose father, you say, is James. - >Shame > > David in Ballarat > > > > > Does anyone know anymore about this family? I don't think it fits >with > > >anything I have so far. > > > best wishes > > > Kathryn Smith > > >alison@oasts.screaming.net > > > >

Hi Martin Your question ? BONCHURCH is on the coast East of VENTNOR Appears as part of VENTNOR on to days maps John

Well, David says Sarah Wray WHITTINGTON born 1855/6 is not Sarah Urry WHITTINGTON as her father was Isaac but there aren't any other possibles on the IOW birth index. Andrea told me there is a James WHITTINGTON of Carisbrooke, aged 44 and a dairyman on the 1881 census. This could be Sarah' father as he is just about old enough however his wife, Hannah Maria is 6 years younger than him which would make her 12 when she gave birth. Could someone check the 1871 or 1861 census to see if Sarah aged 16 or 6 is living with James and Hannah? In 1881 the address was Salopian Cattages, Carisbrooke. All other suggestions welcome. many thanks Kathryn

Hi Bridget, Thanks very much for the information on Amelia and would appreciate any details about the sisters marriages. I only have their married names - Hepribah (Hephzibah)GAUEBERDELLA? ; Elizabeth MOORE : Alice POYSER. Regards, Terence

Hi Mary Lou of Sun Valley, Thanks for your input. I did check the FHS's bmd site yesterday and found the marriage of John & Eleanor but did not jot the date down. You saved me revisiting the site. From parish records I have birth and christening dates and they are all registered as children of John, butcher of Calbourne and Amelia. Her surname PRITCHETT, I got from the LDS website and it was confirmed on the list by Raymond King (Bridget) who found young John with the PRITCHETT grandparents in the 1851 census. His mom had died in 1850 giving birth to Elizabeth. The 3 girls and father John were all found in the 1851 census by Shirley Mundy. No record of a marriage has come up yet for John and Amelia which should have been c.1840-43 as he seems to have sired another John with Harriet Matthew in 1840 according to parish records. Thanks again and with kind regards, Terence

According to a booklet compiled in 1989 by the Portsmouth (Catholic) Diocesan Archivist, the registers of Ryde St Mary are held in the parish. Baptisms date from 1845, marriages from 1856, and burials from 1866. The Isle of Wight Record Office has photocopies of baptisms 1845-1906, marriages 1856-1928, and burials 1866-1910. Alan McGowan Hampshire / IOW Family History Site http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory ----- Original Message ----- From: "D & E" <deev@vanuatu.com.vu> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: [IoW] St Mary's Church Good Morning everyone, I wonder if anyone can tell me if St Mary's Catholic Church Ryde has records available for the late twenties, early thirties? My problem is a long and complicated one, but in a nutshell:- My mother and father were married there as my mother claimed she was raised as a Catholic, but all research proves that to be false -she, like my father attended St John's Road School, unusual for a Catholic. At the time of her father's (my G'Father) death Sept 1931 she was living in George St Ryde. When her Mother (my G'Mother) died Dec 1933 she and my father were living in No 8 St Mary's Passage. My Sister was baptised into the Catholic faith in 1935, but by the time my brother was born in 1939 my mother was a Methodist the same as my father. There is a possibility that my mother's elder sister may have married into the Catholic Faith in Dec 1927 as she was married in the Catholic Church Ryde. What I wonder is, could my Grandmother and my Mother have been taken into the Cath! olic Church as Charity Cases after my Grandfather died -introduced by my Aunt perhaps? In order to live in a church house they would have had to convert to Catholicism. This would answer the question as to why, less than ten years later my mother left the faith. Had she been raised a Catholic, as I said earlier, it would have very hard for her to do so, but if she had endorsed the faith for only a short time...? Sorry I rambled on a bit, but as I said, it is a long and complicated story. Derek in Vanuatu 28C Cloudless sky, little wind.

Hi All: Thanks to Dave Peach, who did several lookups in response to my last two requests on this list, we seem to have pieced together this PHILLIPS family somewhat better. There is still room for additional information to wrap up the loose ends, however. In 1871 the SMITH family looks like: George SMITH H M 40 Confectioner b. Wimbledon, Surrey Jane " W M 44 b. Gosport, Hants Rosa J " D U 14 Teacher b. Portsmouth Eliza A " D - 13 Scholar b. Portsmouth Emily " D - 11 " b. Portsmouth Sarah A " D - 9 " b. Portsmouth William G " S - 3 b. Portsmouth In 1881, before Sarah married Louis Squire WILLCOCKS in 1888, the family was George SMITH Head M Male 50 Wimbledon, Surrey, England Confectioner Jane SMITH Wife M Female 54 Gosport, Hampshire, England Rosa J. SMITH Daur U Female 24 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Milliner Emily SMITH Daur U Female 21 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Plain Needlewoman Sarah A. SMITH Daur U Female 18 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Straw Bonnets William J. SMITH Son Male 13 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Scholar Rosa E. A. PHILLIPS Grand Daur Female 1 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Eliza A SMITH is no longer in the nest, but has married Frederick Michael PHILLIPS: Dec Qtr 1878, Portsea, 2b, 850 Frederick Michael PHILLIPS to Eliza Ann SMITH 1891 Frederick W(M?)PHILLIPS H M 41 Convict Prison Warder b. Harding Heath, Southampton Eliza A " W M 32 b. Southsea, Hants Rose E. L. " D - 11 b. Southsea Kate " D - 10 b. Southsea Frederick G " S - 8 b. Northwood, IOW Arthur " S - 6 b. Northwood, IOW Lillie B " D - 5 b. Northwood, IOW Gladys E " D - 2 b. Northwood, IOW Rosa J SMITH Visitor U 34 b. Landport, Portsmouth So Rosa SMITH, Eliza's sister, is off visiting her in Horsebridge Hill, Northwood, IOW. Presumably close to Bonchurch? Does anyone know? I haven't been able to find Bonchurch on a map of IOW. Regards Martin Willcocks Taylorsville, UT, USA.

I am looking for the following people: Mary PARKER b.c.1794 m.1812 in Calbourne to William RASHLEIGH Martha EDSALL m.177 in Newport to John RASHLEIGH Elizabeth THOMPSON of Brightstone m.1744 in Brightstone to John RASHLEIGH William RASHLEIGH b.? and Ann BANTIS b.? m.1713 in Shalfleet Does anyone know anything about any of these people? Donna

Hi everyone Still searching for various TYLER family on the Island. Would anyone be able to do a look up on the 1861 Census for a James TYLER, wife Mary Ann and children, I have them in 1851 at Melbourne Place, New Village, Carisbrooke. I am interested in their son Francis who would have been about 12 years old. Thanks Sally Malyon

I rediscovered an item from Dave Peach on this elusive John but did not recognise it as being my g/g/uncle. From 1871 Census:- John WOODFORD H M 5*? Butcher b.Calbourne - 1815 [ Age 56] Elenor A. " " (nee CHAPMAN) W M 47 b.County Cork Ireland Hepribah Gaueberdella? D M 24 b.Calbourne [Hephzibah] Effie " G/D - 1mth b.Calbourne Elizabeth MOORE D M 22 b.Calbourne Charles CHAPMAN Servant U 15 Butcher App b.Calbourne Another daughter Alice Mary age 19 [born c 1847] married Thomas William POYSER age 27 [born c 1839] on 5 July 1866. John (according to Parish records) had:- 1] A son John b.1840 by Harriet MATTHEWS - HOI, Carisbrooke (No marriage recorded -illegitimate?) 2 ] Another son John b. 1844 and 3 daughters: Heph., Alice and Eliz. by Amelia PRITCHETT- Heph. and Eliz.above.( I have found no marriage record yet ) Amelia died in 1850 giving birth to Elizabeth. From this 1871 census we learn that widower John married again(?) - to Elenor A. CHAPMAN.-When? I am intrigued by Hephzibah's married name. Can anyone add anything. Regards, Terence

While I have been off the list for six months I've been working on my brick wall and today I think I see a crack. For 10 years I have been trying to establish who the parents of Isaac Jacob (1758 - 1834) married 1783 Frances Noyce (1764 - 1840). The Australian descendants of the IOW Jacobs published a book c1986 titled "Jacobs Ladder" in which the above Isaac is listed as the son of Bartholomew Jacob (1720 - 1767). The is no record of this Bartholomew having a son Isaac. HOWEVER Bartholomew had a brother Isaac born 1751 and while other evidence suggests that my Isaac was born in 1758 it is all anecdotal (memorial inscription etc). I believe my Isaac supposedly born in 1758 is this same Isaac born 1751. What I know: Isaac Jacob was born 1751 to Isaac Jacob (1715 - 1754) and Ann Jerom (Jerram)Bartholomew Jacob (1688 - 1757) and Mary Phillips Isaac (1751) married Frances Noyce 1783 So, what I am trying to find is evidence as follows: Ann Jerom (Jerram) was born when and where? Her parents were? She died when? Where? Anyone going to the records office who could check this for me I would appreciate it. Thanks Michael Jacobs Port Macquarie NSW 2444 Australia

Hi, I am researching my gt.gt.grandfather Isaac BYERLEY baptised 10th October 1813, Calbourne. Son of Robert (carpenter at Calbourne) and wife Sarah of Yarmouth I believe. I cannot find any brothers or sisters for Isaac! I think Robert's parents were Isaac and Mary Robins married 1788 at Freshwater, They were buried 1823/25 respectively at Carisbrooke. This Isaac may have had a brother Robert! There is mention in a letter to my Isaac (1813 one) from a Robert BYERELY and another Isaac BYERLEY written in Trowbridge 1844 and mentions the death of a Mrs BYERLEY and their visits to her grown up daughters and sons - no christian names given! My Isaac (1813 0ne) left the Isle of Wight in his late teens and trained as a Dr./Surgeon at London, Liverpool and Dublin and ended up practicing in Cheshire. Has anyone the 1851 census for Calbourne when some BYERLEYS may be mentioned. I would be very grateful for any help. Angela Goodman

>Dear Kathryn, > > I have received their marriage certificate which gives her details as >Sarah Wray WHITTINGTON 21 of Carisbrooke. Her father was James WHITTINGTON, >a dairyman. William FALLICK's father was James FALLICK, deceased, >Blacksmith. > The IOW baptism index gives only one possible Sarah Urry WHITTINGTON >born 1855, Calbourne. Yes, I have Sarah Urry WHITTINGTON, bap: 19 Sep 1856 at Calbourne, the daughter of Isaac WHITTINGTON and his 1st wife, Elzia RIDETT whom he married on 14 Aug 1855 at Newport. He married secondly on 5 Nov 1857 at Calbourne to Ann MARHSFIELD. I don't have anything further on this Sarah. But she is obviously not your Sarah whose father, you say, is James. - Shame David in Ballarat > Does anyone know anymore about this family? I don't think it fits with >anything I have so far. > best wishes > Kathryn Smith >alison@oasts.screaming.net

Hi Kathryn, dont forget that a baptism can be many years after they were born,we had some from one paticular family that were not baptised till they were adults, perhaps she only appears as Sarah Whittington on a baptism record, just a thought, regards Andrea. _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Many kind listers offered help and info when I posted this query last year. In the 1881 census Sarah and William Fallick were listed as living with her father Charles DOWNER but I was told her maiden name was WHITTINGTON. I have received their marriage certificate which gives her details as Sarah Wray WHITTINGTON 21 of Carisbrooke. Her father was James WHITTINGTON, a dairyman. William FALLICK's father was James FALLICK, deceased, Blacksmith. The IOW baptism index gives only one possible Sarah Urry WHITTINGTON born 1855, Calbourne. Does anyone know anymore about this family? I don't think it fits with anything I have so far. best wishes Kathryn Smith alison@oasts.screaming.net

Jean, I hope that you get this messsage.. I am researching the RUSSELL family from Shorwell/Arreton/Binstead Do we have a possible connection ? Phil >-- Original Message -- >Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:50:53 +0100 >From: "Jean Lees" <jean.lees@blueyonder.co.uk> >To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Mail Quiet > > >Well is the list very quiet at present or am i not getting mail .. > >Any one researching FRY ...Carisbrook > Cottell ...Newport > Russell .. > >Yvette thats doing COTTELL are you still on the list .You were moving last >time we spoke . > >Jean > >______________________________ __________________________________________________ Broadband from an unbeatable £15.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/home.html?code=SM-NL-11AM

Hi Jean, My g.g.g.Grandmother was Mary Ann RUSSELL b. abt. 1801, Whitwell, could there be any connections. I also have George RUSSELL b. abt. 1842, Godshill, marrying into the ORCHARD branch of my DYER family. Regards, Lorraine McMillan Canada

Dear Friends and Cousins, I have copied the item below from another list because it certainly seemed appropriate for a vast number of tombstones on the IOW. David in Ballarat Tinfoil Tombstone Impression I was recently asked to visit a local cemetery in the Indianapolis area to take a picture of a tombstone. There was some doubt about the date of death inscribed on the tombstone, as one transcription of it gave a different date from that which a family genealogy cited. I was able to find the tombstone and take a picture of it, but I still could not read the date of death, no matter how I varied the angle of the photograph or the lighting of the tombstone. The inscription was too worn and rough to do a rubbing. Not wanting to apply anything that might have chemical agents such as shaving cream, I tried to think of a "dry method" and the thought of taking tin foil came to me. I took a sheet and gently pressed the foil into the inscription with a dry, soft sponge, then gently lifted the foil from the stone, and I had an impression of the inscription that I could then take and hold in front of a mirror to read. I can't say I'd ever heard of this having been done before, but now tinfoil and a sponge are two items I carry whenever I go "cemetery hopping," along with a whisk broom, probe, and flashlight.

The tinfoil method is new to me. I have read many eroded inscriptions using a shadowbox, as advocated in one of the books on Monumental Inscriptions (possibly the one by John Rayment). A shadowbox can be made by cutting a cardboard postal tube to a length of about twelve inches. One end is cut square, and the other is cut at a slight angle. Each letter on the stone is viewed through the tube, holding the angled end close to the stone. Light shining sideways around the edges of the tube casts shadows on the letter, making it easier to read. Alan McGowan Hampshire/IOW Family History Site http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Collyer" <dcollyer@giant.net.au> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:47 PM Subject: [IoW] Tombstones - great tip Dear Friends and Cousins, I have copied the item below from another list because it certainly seemed appropriate for a vast number of tombstones on the IOW. David in Ballarat Tinfoil Tombstone Impression I was recently asked to visit a local cemetery in the Indianapolis area to take a picture of a tombstone. There was some doubt about the date of death inscribed on the tombstone, as one transcription of it gave a different date from that which a family genealogy cited. I was able to find the tombstone and take a picture of it, but I still could not read the date of death, no matter how I varied the angle of the photograph or the lighting of the tombstone. The inscription was too worn and rough to do a rubbing. Not wanting to apply anything that might have chemical agents such as shaving cream, I tried to think of a "dry method" and the thought of taking tin foil came to me. I took a sheet and gently pressed the foil into the inscription with a dry, soft sponge, then gently lifted the foil from the stone, and I had an impression of the inscription that I could then take and hold in front of a mirror to read. I can't say I'd ever heard of this having been done before, but now tinfoil and a sponge are two items I carry whenever I go "cemetery hopping," along with a whisk broom, probe, and flashlight.

Dear Terence,1851 census. Eades Farm.George Pritchett 60 yrs.Ann his wife 64 yrs. John Woodford grandson. Bridget.