You can see photos fo the Waverley which ran from Portsmouth and other nostalgic photos at http://www.photo-transport.co.uk/transport/waverley/waverley.htm The PS Ryde at http://www.paddlers31.freeserve.co.uk/ryde/index.htm SOUTHERN RAILWAY STEAMERS a brief history http://www.semg.org.uk/misc/steamer.html PS RYDE documenting the history of the boat and shows video and lots more, The pop up shows the ship in camouflage colouring. http://www.psryde.co.uk/ The following I have used TinyURL as the addresses were too long and would break up in the email. RYDE PIER and the MV Brading http://tinyurl.com/2okur PS SANDOWN http://tinyurl.com/367cb PS SOLENT (sailed from Lymington) http://tinyurl.com/22opz PS SOUTHSEA http://tinyurl.com/2vulj To find more go to http://www.google.co.uk and hit the PAGES FROM UK BUTTON not Google/com Chris and Caroline SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) The History of the villages of Hampshire and its surrounding counties http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages -----Original Message----- From: D & E [mailto:deev@vanuatu.com.vu] Sent: 20 June 2004 07:15 To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IoW] Paddle Steamers Hello everyone. I'm afraid this is a bit off the usual listing, but in another guise (and under another name) I write. See: www.wightwash.org.uk pages 16 and 17. Basically, does anyone know a website dedicated to the Paddle Steamers that plied between Porstmouth and Ryde in the forties. As a child I rode them several times and wish to include them in a story, but want to get the correct details. At least one went to the Normandy evacuation, if my memory serves me right. Have a good week Derek Port Vila Vanuatu. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.707 / Virus Database: 463 - Release Date: 15/06/2004 --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.707 / Virus Database: 463 - Release Date: 15/06/2004

Now that does bring back memories Valerie!! The old "Shanklin" and others named after the islands towns! I always knew when it was holiday time, the smell of the old steam trains at Southampton Central, then the smell of the sea and mud at Portsmouth Harbour, but best of all was the smell of the paddle steamers, and the sound of their paddles hitting the water! Thanks for bringing back the memories, will check out the website! Chris and Caroline SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) The History of the villages of Hampshire the Isle of Wight and its surrounding counties http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages -----Original Message----- From: VALERIEAVRIL@aol.com [mailto:VALERIEAVRIL@aol.com] Sent: 20 June 2004 08:34 To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IoW] Paddle Steamers Hello Derek, I put in "Southern Railway Paddle Steamers" into Google and there are several sites on there.What lovely memories the old steamers recall.When we were children we always went to the engine room door to see the engines working,can even remember the oily smell !! Happy days,Valerie --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.707 / Virus Database: 463 - Release Date: 15/06/2004 --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.707 / Virus Database: 463 - Release Date: 15/06/2004

Hello Derek, I put in "Southern Railway Paddle Steamers" into Google and there are several sites on there.What lovely memories the old steamers recall.When we were children we always went to the engine room door to see the engines working,can even remember the oily smell !! Happy days,Valerie

Earliest beginnings on Isle Of Wight William Dore (1723-?) m. Jane Woodford (of Norton) have son: Henry Harry DORE (1759-1823) m. Maria BRIGHT (1765-1836) Family moves to Yarmouth IOW... Possible daughter: Jane (1878-188) has a son, Charles (out of wedlock per IOW FHS) Charles Ralfs DORE (1817-1888) m. Charlotte Whitefield (1818-?) Family lived in Fareham, Basingstoke, Kingsclere, Ringwood, Droxford and then moved to the Devon area...(Charles was a Constable). Charles & Charlotte have the following children: William Charles Dore b.c1843 Winifred Dore b. c1845 m. in 1864 to Joseph Boalch Miriam Dore b. c1846 Samuel Dore b. c1848 John Whitefield Dore b.c1850 m. in 1872 to Emma Sophia Evans b. c1856 Elizabeth Jane Dore b.c1853 Mary Lord Dore b. c1854 m. in 1894 to William Francis Watkins Henry Charles Dore b. c1856 Walter Dore b. 1858 m. in 1876 to Harriett jane Thomas Emily Evelyn Dore b. c1861 Walter & Harriett DORE raised their family in Devon, their children were: William W. Dore b. c1877 Charles H. Dore b.c1878 Arthur Edward Dore b 1878 d. 1890 (twin to John Knight Dore) John Knight Dore b. 1878 d. 1957 USA Miriam Harriett Dore b. 1881 m. Charles Watler Dowlen of Finchley Francis Ralph Dore b. 1883 d. 1883 Katherine Olivia Dore b. c1885 If anything here seems to be a match into your line, please get back to me, thanks. Sandy in Sacramento Homepage: http://home.earthlink.net/~sandymento/

Welcome Keith, I can tell you the info we have is that Woodman Hillier was the son of William Hillier, Yeoman and Sarah Guy who married 19/12/1809 Niton.Sarah died age 76 and was buried 9/4/1841 Niton. they had the following children Mary Ann infant extra buried 1809 Niton Woodman Hillier 27/5/1810 Niton William ch 6/10/1811 Niton bu.13/12/1812 Niton James ch.25/4/1813 Niton John ch. 24/4/1814 Niton bu. 25/6/1814 Niton Charles ch.24/4/1815 Niton we then think they moved because a William and Sarah had Anne ch 24/5/1818 Carisbrooke. Woodman Hillier and Sarah Reynolds had the following children Jane 4/3/1838 Chale William 7/7/ 1839 Chale d.6/6/1856 Niton Woodman 4/4/1841Chale ch 5/3/1846 age 5 Middleton nr Totland James 5/2/1843 Chale Sarah Ann 4/5/1845 Chale m. age 26 Robert Lock Freshwater 24/10/1871 Hope this is useful to you we do have Sarah Ann and Robert Lock's children if you would like them and a few other minor details as well. Bye for now regards Andrea, researching all Lock/e's on the island. Andrea Cox _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Hello All This is aimed at HGS members based in the UK and indeed, non-members who may wish to join and participate in the local family history group. There are a number of vacancies on the Committee and also some of the voluntary jobs that need the enthusiastic input that has been so evident within the Society for many years. Our Chairman,Ron Hall, has indicated he will be stepping down at the AGM in September 2004 and in addition, a replacement Treasurer to succeed Roger Smith will be required at the same time. There are a number of admin roles at the Cosham Office to be filled (although living in the Portsmouth area would be an advantage). Help is needed with the collation of genealogical sources, the HFH Journal indexing. Project Co-ordinator, Dolina Clarke, who amongst other duties looks after the vitally important transcription projects undertaken by the Society. If you can help, email either chairman@hgs-online.org.uk OR secretary@hgs-online.org.uk for further details Thanks in anticipation Tony Knight Publicity Officer HGS Web Site: www.hgs-online.org.uk

Hi to you all, I am new to the group & I am looking fo any information on Woodman Hillier who married Sarah Reynolds at Saint Lawrence on the 24th of November 1836. Thank you for any information. Keith

Does anyone know where I can access burial records for the Isle of Wight please? I would like to check if twins Rose Agnes BURGESS & Martha Veronica POWELL (b 1861 at Atherfield Coastguard Station) are buried on the IOW. Their husbands were Edward Alphonsus BURGESS & Henry William POWELL. Rose had chn: Agnes (1886 Southampton), Madeline Martha (b 1889 Sydney Australia) & John Alfred (b 1891 Melbourne Australia). A relative remembers visiting the sisters on the IOW when they were very elderly so we presume that they died there. Thanks Helen Tracy NSW Australia

Hi List: My IOW interests are: SCOTT in Newport/Carisbrook (1800-1861) & Freshwater (1871-1900) COOPER in Newport/Wippingham (1820-1840) BARNES in Lake (1880s) & Brading (1900) Thanks very much. Harold in Alamo, CA

Hello everyone, Thanks for all the help offered by the members of these mailing lists over the last few months. You have all been wonderful. Right now my garden is calling. I'll look at the archives off and on, and will return in the fall. Thanks again. Regards, Janet Bush (Ontario, Canada)

Hi Jo Interesting points, I have very similar experiences with "poor" agricultural families from Dorset in particular moving to the Island in the 1870s or so. I also have Island agricultural families who moved to Hampshire (and thankfully back again). One possible reason I have come across is that they often moved to continue in the employ of a large landowner. For instance there is a strong connection between the Leigh family of Shorwell (Northcourt) and Glanvilles Wootton in Dorset, and it is too much of a coincidence that my family moved from GW to Shorwell (similar experiences with the Leigh family in Gloucestershire/Worcestershire). This may not be the explanation in your case but is worth investigating. Another possibility is that a former neighbour is living close by and through word of mouth your family discovered that agricultural conditions on the Island were better than in Devon. There are substantial numbers of immigrants on the Island from Dorset and Devon. Transport links by 1881 were generally reasonably good, embarkation points from the mainland were basically the same as now, Lymington, Southampton & Portsmouth, and it was probably reasonably inexpensive to cross the Solent. The railway network was generally complete (the line through Arreton was opened in 1872). One last point, the name of the farm where your Eveleighs were in 1881 is nowadays "Waightshale", not sure if the 1881 version is a transcription error, but in 1871 it was recorded as "Waitshale". Hope this helps, I'm sure others will be able to offer other advice. Jon Baker -----Original Message----- From: Jo [mailto:jo@stumpypost.co.uk] Sent: 13 June 2004 21:13 To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [IoW] Passage by sea to IOW? (EVELEIGH) I'm hoping someone can help: I'm trying to work out the reason and method for a family of EVELEIGH's who'd been tenant farmers in Devon for over 100 yrs suddenly upping sticks and by 1881 had appeared in the Isle of Wight at "Waitsail", Arreton, on the island. They were by no means monied and the 2 senior members of the family had fallen into the Carisbrooke Workhouse by 1891...sadly byu then in their 70's. Does anyone know: 1)Was it well known in the late 1800's that there was work on the island (I just can't imagine what took them there!)? 2) What departure points from the mainland would have been used in those days? Any help really appreciated Jo Gloucestershire http://www.genogold.com ______________________________

Thought the following would be of interest Angela... The BBC has just announced that the British Library has decided to put > 100 years > of 19th century newspapers online . > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3795631.stm > > The new website will be online within the next 18 months

Jo commented... >1)Was it well known in the late 1800's that there was work on the island (I >just can't imagine what took them there!)? I have no particular knowledge of the late 1800's but economic conditions in England in the first half of the 19th century were very poor. All but the wealthy struggled, especially those at the bottom of the economic ladder. In the 1840's one branch of my ancestry, Hibberds, migrated from the Six Penny Handley area of Dorset (where they'd lived from at least the late 16th century), where they were freeman tenant farmers, to roughly the area bounded by Ventnor, Niton, Godshill, and Newchurch. Cousins and siblings made similar moves from the 1830's until the 1850's. And some even moved back. All worked as tenant farmers on the Isle of Wight. Although many Hibberd families remained on the IOW and remain today, some, mine included, sought what they thought were greener pastures in Australia and New Zealand, South Africa, North America, and elsewhere. >2) What departure points from the mainland would have been used in those >days? I have no specific knowledge, but wouldn't be surprised if they might have hired fishing boats to take them across the Solent. I'm sure that providing such passage was a good way for a fisherman to augment his income, especially when the fishing was not good and that it was likely cheaper in those days, especially with an entire family, than booking passage on a commercial vessel. Kelvin Kean Elverson, Pennsylvania US

Hello everyone, I am just reposting my interests. My first ancestor to Australia, Jacob GOODRIDGE came from the Isle of Wight, England in about 1844. Jacob was a mariner. What is interesting is that the surname is spelt as either GUTTRIDGE or GUTTERIDGE or GUTHRIDGE on the IOW). Jacob was born 16/10/1822 at Cowes, IOW - parents were Abraham and Mary (nee BANNISTER). From what I have found, Jacob's brothers & sisters were James (b.1810), Mary Ann (b.1812), Eliza (b.1816),George(b.1819), Emily (b.1826), Charlotte (b. 1829) and Fanny Louisa (b. 1833). I have located a marriage record for Abraham & Mary (married 7/1/1810 at Northwood on the IOW), and what I think is a burial record for Abraham (buried at West Cowes, IOW on 23/1/1835 - aged 51), I have had not much luck in finding a baptism record for Abraham (very frustrating). Abraham's occupation has been listed as a fisherman or mariner. I would be very interested to hear from anyone who thinks they may have a link. Regards, Brett Goodridge, Sydney, Australia ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10

Chris. and Caroline and Listers, Are you able to help me with the following puzzle? I have traced my grandmother's family back to a William Hayles born in 1772 in Shalfleet. No parents are listed for him. William married Sarah Bishop in 1797. The most likely father for the above William is William Hayles born 1847 in Shalfleet. [Father Thomas Hayles born abt. 1720, see Hayles Family Tree] William [1847] married Jenny in 1771. But the son of William and Jenny is named 'Ephraim' born 1772 in Shalfleet not 'William' and there is only one child. Could a transcription error have been made in this case confusing 'William' with 'Ephraim'? Perhaps someone on the list has information which could get me through this impasse. Joan Myers

I'm hoping someone can help: I'm trying to work out the reason and method for a family of EVELEIGH's who'd been tenant farmers in Devon for over 100 yrs suddenly upping sticks and by 1881 had appeared in the Isle of Wight at "Waitsail", Arreton, on the island. They were by no means monied and the 2 senior members of the family had fallen into the Carisbrooke Workhouse by 1891...sadly byu then in their 70's. Does anyone know: 1)Was it well known in the late 1800's that there was work on the island (I just can't imagine what took them there!)? 2) What departure points from the mainland would have been used in those days? Any help really appreciated Jo Gloucestershire http://www.genogold.com

My thanks to Dave and Don, I have now found my family on the 1871 Census. Regards Sally

Hello Joan, I just looked at the 1881 Br. Census showing Samuel 69, wife Sarah 49 and daughter Clara 13. Without entering Sarah as a spouse, I found a marriage for Samuel HOLLAND on FreeBMD (Kingston District - Jun 1867 quarter - Vol 2a, Page 382). (It was the only Kingston marriage for a Samuel Holland from 1837 to 1885 - my thinking was they were likely married where Sarah was born ?? and you said he was living in Kingston in 1861) Unfortunately, there are two marriages on that page and both brides are "Sarah" (Sarah Jane PITMAN and Sarah RANSFORD). I suggest that you order the marriage certificate for both of them to see if either one is yours, and see what info is shown (age at marriage, parents' names etc) The other route you might take is to go to www.1837online.com (a pay-per-view site) and find the index reference for Clara's birth about 1868, order her birth certificate which will show parents names etc. I just ordered 9 certificates from the GRO in Merseyside by mail and they arrived in 2 weeks. With the index reference, they cost 8.50 GBP; 2.66 exchange to Canadian made it about $23.00 Cdn. A bit pricey, but perhaps not to leap a brick wall. Also if Samuel was born in 1812, and the marriage was in 1867, he was 55. Not impossible, but unlikely it was his first marriage. Was he with a wife at 1851 or 1861 census? You'll see on the certified copy of the marriage register whether he was a bachelor or widower. Contact me off list if you'd like to see a scan of my marriage & birth certificates. Does anyone else have a quicker or cheaper route to suggest? Regards, Janet Bush (in sunny Ontario, Canada) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Burns" <jobud@telus.net> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: [IoW] HOLLAND > My brick wall is my great grandfather, Samuel Holland. Born sometime between 1812 and 1820. In the 1851 census he was born at Sway, Hampshire. > The 1861 census he was born at Kingston, Surrey. ( He was living at Kingston at the time) > The 1871 census he was born on the Isle of Wight, Hampshire. > And the 1881 census has him just born in Hampshire.. > > Joan in wet B.C. Canada > > > > >

Hi My brick wall is my great grandfather, Samuel Holland. Born sometime between 1812 and 1820. In the 1851 census he was born at Sway, Hampshire. The 1861 census he was born at Kingston, Surrey. ( He was living at Kingston at the time) The 1871 census he was born on the Isle of Wight, Hampshire. And the 1881 census has him just born in Hampshire.. In the past couple of years I have read #1596208, Hampshire reel for Parish Church of Lymington, 1780- 1874. And #1278724, Bishops Transcripts for Boldre, 1596-1812. At that time I thought he may have been born earlier . Is there anyone who is searching Holland's on the Isle of Wight? Hate to write this could some kind person tell me where to go next in my search? Keeping my fingers crossed. Joan in wet B.C. Canada

Hello Jim Les searched the whole of Cowes and Northwood 1871 census for your family several weeks ago, without finding them, we have also looked for them in 1851, but they were not listed as being on the Island then. Les re-checked the 370 pages last evening, but they were still not to be found in Northwood or Cowes. After the two baptisms which we found in 1847, there were no more, could they have moved to the mainland then? Have you thought about searching other shipyard areas around the country for Edward Jim Hamilton <regent@telus.net> wrote: if some kind soul could find the following family for me in the 1871 Census: Edward WHITE Age: 56 approx. Occupation: Shipwright Fanny WHITE Wife Age: 54 approx. Born: Beaminster, Dorset best wishes, Ann Barrett. Isle of Wight http://members.lycos.co.uk/s0uthbury/