Hi Please can anyone tell me more about the address 'Cockerel' Newchurch........in the 1881 census would it have been a farm or a house or a street?? Thanks Sue --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.688 / Virus Database: 449 - Release Date: 18/05/2004

Am trying to trace the family of Alfred and Fanny Ann WARREN in the 1891 census. Alfred would be about 35 b Wooton, Isle of Wight and Fanny would be about 38 b Ryde, IOW. In 1881 they are living in Church St, Ryde with their 7 month daughter Eleanor F WARREN. Visiting them in 1881 was Fanny's sister Lizzie JOLLIFFE b Binstead IOW. Could someone please tell me what is on the 1891 census for this family. Andy Trim Australia

Hi Andy, The family is residing at 1, Church Street, Ryde, IOW Alfred Head age 35 Carman b. Woodbridge Fanny Wife age 38 (no occ) b. Woodbridge Nellie daughter age 10 Scholar b. Woodbridge Lily daughter age 9 " " Tom son age 6 " " Richard son age 5 " " Willie son age 3 " " Maggie daughter (no age given so presume an infant.) Nellie is a diminutive form of the name Eleanor. I Couldn't find Lizzie (as Joliffe) but maybe she'd married by then and changed her name. Anyway, I hope this helps. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "arstrim" <arstrim@bigpond.com> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 10:35 PM Subject: [IoW] Alfred Warren and Fanny Ann Jolliffe and 1891 census > Am trying to trace the family of Alfred and Fanny Ann WARREN in the 1891 > census. Alfred would be about 35 b Wooton, Isle of Wight and Fanny would be > about 38 b Ryde, IOW. > > In 1881 they are living in Church St, Ryde with their 7 month daughter > Eleanor F WARREN. Visiting them in 1881 was Fanny's sister Lizzie JOLLIFFE > b Binstead IOW. > > Could someone please tell me what is on the 1891 census for this family. > > Andy Trim > Australia > >

<41 - 42 High Street> Yes, Redfern's were at that address. The town is Cowes. They were a prominent outfitters so would have had a large staff - unmarried shopgirls and seamstresses would be likely to have lived in. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith & Jean Ross" <rosskj@ihug.co.nz> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:04 AM Subject: Tailors in Northwood.

< .... Newport. Can anyone help as to where might she be buried?> Probably in Mountjoy Cemetery at Carisbrooke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Dean" <rjmdean@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 7:05 AM Subject: Deaths in 1949 Newport

Through the very kind efforts of several people, I have assembled information which requires input from the 1851 Census to confirm family relationships. I would be most appreciative if sks who has access to the 1851 Census could look up the following two families and provide me with their occupations and addresses: BUNDLE HO107/1663 NEWPORT (Volume 57) PAGE 099 William JACKMAN [Age 47] Charlotte JACKMAN [Age 44] Maria JACKMAN [Age 19] Thomas JACKMAN [Age 17] Henry JACKMAN [Age 16] Ann JACKMAN [Age 4] BUNDLE HO107/1663 CARISBROOKE (Volume 56) PAGE 219 Edward WHITE [Age 42] Fanny WHITE [Age 39] Elizabeth WHITE [Age 12] Ellen WHITE [Age 9] John WHITE [Age 6] Charles WHITE [Age 4] William WHITE [Age 2] Also, according to the IOWFHS Births Index, this JACKMAN family should have included Amelia Ann JACKMAN [Age 12+/-]. Other information I have found indicates that she was alive in 1851 and married in 1861, but I have not found her in the 1851 Census. Jim Hamilton Vancouver, British Columbia regent@telus.net

Hello David The burial of Elizabeth MORRIS is below, I also searched the Monumental Inscriptions, but there wasn.t one, neither was there an Obit in the IOW County Press. ---------------------- BURIAL: 19 Dec 1894 Freshwater Elizabeth MORRIS age 40 yrs of Freshwater ----------------------------------------- best wishes, Ann Barrett. Isle of Wight http://members.lycos.co.uk/s0uthbury/

Hi Andrea I can't help you with Woodman HILLIER but can add a little more information about FAMILY 2. I believe this to be John HILLIER and Jane STAGG, married 30 Sep 1803 in Freshwater. I have one son recorded (because this is not my direct line of research) and that is John Hillier, born about 1804 in Freshwater. He was a cordwainer/shoemaker according to several records between 1839 and 1881 and lived at Middleton (one of the hamlets in the Freshwater parish). The reason for my interest is that his wife is Martha RYALL, who he married 22 Sep 1838 in Freshwater. Martha was born 4 Jul 1808 in Kingston, christened 28 Aug 1808 Kingston. They had 5 children that I am aware of (but could be more), William (1839, Kingston), Walter (1842, Kingston), Sophia (1845, Freshwater), Mary Ann (19 Nov 1847, Freshwater) and George (1850, Freshwater). Note that although William and Walter were christened in Freshwater the 1851 census indicates that they were born in Kingston. Mary Ann HILLIER will be well known to many on the list as she is one of the famous "sitters" for the pioneer photographer, Julia Margaret CAMERON. It would be feasible of course for Woodman to have been another sibling of this family, Niton of course is somewhat closer to Kingston than Freshwater, but I have no evidence to support this theory. Hope this helps a little Jon Baker -----Original Message----- From: ANDREA COX [mailto:ajcox255@hotmail.com] Sent: 11 July 2004 13:47 To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Woodman HILLIER Hello Listers, after my previous message regarding Woodman Hillier, we have now a few queries that I am hoping the list can help with. In the earlier message we listed Woodman Hillier b.1810 Niton m. Sarah REYNOLDS 1836 St Lawrence children Jane 1838 Chale William 1839 Chale Woodman 1841 Chale James 1843 Chale Sarah Ann 1845 Chale We know Woodman Hillier b.1810 was on the Highways Commission at Compton in 1863 and his daughter Sarah Ann married in Freshwater in 1871. This is where I have the query, previously we listed deaths for two of Woodman's sons, firstly William b. 1839 Chale, we said he died 6/6/1856 age 16 Niton, I know the age would fit but something tells me there must be another William Hillier born at Niton and not at Chale, does anyone know of a William Hillier born at Niton about 1839. Then there is Woodman Hillier born 1841 Niton, I previously wrote that he was christened 5/3/1846 Middleton nr Totland,this date should have been a death, didn't have my glasses on at the time, well now after checking some more Hillier records at the record office we believe it was not Woodman Hillier 1841 Niton that died at Middleton. In the 1841 census are these two families in the Freshwater area that will hopefully help to solve our problem. FAMILY 1 William age 50 Sarah wife age 50 Charles age 25 Selina wife age 25 Jane age 3 Richard age 1 living at Compton I believe this is Woodman Hillier's (1810) parents William Hillier and Sarah GUY,Woodmans brother Charles born 1815 Niton and Charles wife Selina whose maiden name was also Hillier.We know that Charles and Selina had the following children but have not yet found a record of the Jane. William Richard b. 31/12/1839 ch. 11/2/1840 Freshwater Charles ch. 27/3/1842 Freshwater Sarah Ann b. 6/11/1843 ch. 10/3/1844 Selina the mother was buried 19/11/1843, we then found a Henry Woodman son of Charles HELLYER farmer of Freshwater and Emma WHITE of Brading ch.23/12/1848 Brading. Is this the same Charles that was married to Selina? FAMILY 2 John Hillier age 50/60 (census record unclear) Jane wife age 50/60 (again unclear) John Hillier age 35 Martha wife age 35 William age 2 all living Pound Green Middleton Freshwater. We know that John and Martha had the following children William ch. 5/5/1839 Freshwater Walter ch. 27/3/1842 Freshwater Sophia ch. 21/3/1845 Freshwater Mary Ann ch. 28/11/1847 Freshwater George ch. 2/6/1850 Freshwater We feel that the Woodman Hillier bu. 5/3/1846 Middleton Freshwater fits in better with this family and would be glad to hear from anyone who recognizes any of the names listed to discuss it. The name Woodman Hillier seems to go back several generations as there was a Woodman Hillier bu. 5/2/1659 Carisbrooke,I have gone back as far as I wish to on this line for now, but do know there are other Hillier researchers that may wish to continue so please if anyone has any links to those listed let the list know and we can then help them, many thanks and sorry if it was a long one,regards Andrea Cox _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo ______________________________

It is a long time since I was on this list so I will start out with only one surname and that is KIMBER. My original family members came from Berkshire but I have just discovered that there were relations on the island during WW2 and wonder if there are any still there Bert & Betty South Australia

Hi dave, order this:Elizabeth Morris death cert, IOW -1894-DEC-2b 411. age 40. hope this helps,pete. -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

David > Elizabeth MORRIS (nee Pitman) died in about 1895/6 in Freshwater aged > about 40. Wife of Charles MORRIS mother of Elizabeth,Kate, Emily,Nell, > Charles and James. > Can anyone help in finding a record of her death. A recent search of > recorded burials at the IOW Record Office was fruitless. The death of an Elizabeth MORRIS, aged 40, was recorded on the IoW in the last quarter of 1894 - see FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Paul Cutmore

Elizabeth MORRIS (nee Pitman) died in about 1895/6 in Freshwater aged about 40. Wife of Charles MORRIS mother of Elizabeth,Kate, Emily,Nell, Charles and James. Can anyone help in finding a record of her death. A recent search of recorded burials at the IOW Record Office was fruitless. Her Husband Charles MORRIS died in 1946 and I have also been unable to trace his place of burial. At least one of the children Kate, was baptised in the Wesleyan Church and the family lived at (Downside) Freshwater and later at Sheepwash. In about 1890 they were forced to move out of their tied cottage an the Farringford Estate after a fire. Guess what! I can't find any record of the fire either. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I am planning another visit to the Island but where do I start? David Thomas

Hello Listers, after my previous message regarding Woodman Hillier, we have now a few queries that I am hoping the list can help with. In the earlier message we listed Woodman Hillier b.1810 Niton m. Sarah REYNOLDS 1836 St Lawrence children Jane 1838 Chale William 1839 Chale Woodman 1841 Chale James 1843 Chale Sarah Ann 1845 Chale We know Woodman Hillier b.1810 was on the Highways Commission at Compton in 1863 and his daughter Sarah Ann married in Freshwater in 1871. This is where I have the query, previously we listed deaths for two of Woodman's sons, firstly William b. 1839 Chale, we said he died 6/6/1856 age 16 Niton, I know the age would fit but something tells me there must be another William Hillier born at Niton and not at Chale, does anyone know of a William Hillier born at Niton about 1839. Then there is Woodman Hillier born 1841 Niton, I previously wrote that he was christened 5/3/1846 Middleton nr Totland,this date should have been a death, didn't have my glasses on at the time, well now after checking some more Hillier records at the record office we believe it was not Woodman Hillier 1841 Niton that died at Middleton. In the 1841 census are these two families in the Freshwater area that will hopefully help to solve our problem. FAMILY 1 William age 50 Sarah wife age 50 Charles age 25 Selina wife age 25 Jane age 3 Richard age 1 living at Compton I believe this is Woodman Hillier's (1810) parents William Hillier and Sarah GUY,Woodmans brother Charles born 1815 Niton and Charles wife Selina whose maiden name was also Hillier.We know that Charles and Selina had the following children but have not yet found a record of the Jane. William Richard b. 31/12/1839 ch. 11/2/1840 Freshwater Charles ch. 27/3/1842 Freshwater Sarah Ann b. 6/11/1843 ch. 10/3/1844 Selina the mother was buried 19/11/1843, we then found a Henry Woodman son of Charles HELLYER farmer of Freshwater and Emma WHITE of Brading ch.23/12/1848 Brading. Is this the same Charles that was married to Selina? FAMILY 2 John Hillier age 50/60 (census record unclear) Jane wife age 50/60 (again unclear) John Hillier age 35 Martha wife age 35 William age 2 all living Pound Green Middleton Freshwater. We know that John and Martha had the following children William ch. 5/5/1839 Freshwater Walter ch. 27/3/1842 Freshwater Sophia ch. 21/3/1845 Freshwater Mary Ann ch. 28/11/1847 Freshwater George ch. 2/6/1850 Freshwater We feel that the Woodman Hillier bu. 5/3/1846 Middleton Freshwater fits in better with this family and would be glad to hear from anyone who recognizes any of the names listed to discuss it. The name Woodman Hillier seems to go back several generations as there was a Woodman Hillier bu. 5/2/1659 Carisbrooke,I have gone back as far as I wish to on this line for now, but do know there are other Hillier researchers that may wish to continue so please if anyone has any links to those listed let the list know and we can then help them, many thanks and sorry if it was a long one,regards Andrea Cox _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo

Hello Hella It looks as though you already have the dates of entering and leaving Cowes. There are no newspapers for those dates on the Isle of Wight. At that period the main paper would have been the Hampshire Telegraph. It carried some Isle of Wight news but I do not know if it reported all the shipping movements or how much information it would have given. The paper you want is Lloyds List, a daily paper which reported shipping movements (all over the world). You will find it at the Guildhall Library in London. It is indexed for some, if not all, periods so even if you had to pay for a search it might not take too long. You may find someone who can help if you subscribe to the Mariners List - MARINERS-L@rootsweb.com Mariners List also has a webpage which should contain information about the different sources for tracing shipping and mariners. Good luck Di ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hella Menke-Voigt" <menke-voigt@ewetel.net> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:23 AM Subject: Newspaper 1838 and 1850 > Hi , > I am working on reconstructing the time schedule of a german captain on a sailing ship during the 19th century, he was my > gran-gran-grandfather and he reached Cowes twice. The first time he was sailor, the second time he was master of the ship. > If there would be somebody, who has to study for his family by himself at the Historical Society/ Isle of Wight and this nice person could do me such a great favour, to have a lookup at the newspaper (including shipnews) of those days. My English is not so fluently, but I would be very happy, if somebody could help me to find the dates of Arrival / Import? and Departure / Export? > > Brigg GERHARD HERMANN, Master Claussen > Cowes, arrived Jan.20, 1838 from Porto Rico. > Cowes, sailed March 14, 1838 for Bremen. > > Brigg HENRIETTE, Master Greve > Cowes, arrived Apr. 21, 1850 from Laguayra. > Cowes, sailed Apr. 23, 1850 for Hamburg. > > Greetings from Bremen, > Hella > menke-voigt@ewetel.net >

Hello to everyone on the list Are there any records of employees of Barton Farm/Manor or Norris Castle during Queen Victoria's reign? I tried the Royal Archives, Windsor but apparently coachmen were employed by the Farm Manager so they do not have any records. Norris Castle was owned by the Duke of Bedford (9th?) and I'm trying to trace a maid or servant to the Duchess. Any suggestions appreciated Anita _________________________________________________________________ Need plastic Surgery? Apply for a Virgin Credit Card. Click here: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;9466596;9687279;s?http://au.virginmoney.com/virgin/publish.nsf/Content/VM+HomePage?OpenDocument&source=P08

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For anyone who might try and contact me between 9th and 20th July . I will be away . My husbands grandmother turns 100 so we are going to a huge family reunion . See you all when I get back :-) Angela

Dear Peter, >In researching the history of shipbuilding at Fishbourne, Isle of Wight, I >have come across references to Brown Hearn of Hazeley Farm. >I've found no indication that Brown Hearn was involved in shipbuilding or >that he was connected to the Lists by marriage or business. >Does anybody know anything about: >- Brown Hearn; >- Hazeley Farm? Brown HEARN junior was a cousin of mine and has thousands of descendants here in Victoria, Australia. I too have never heard of the HEARN family being involved in the ship building business. I can tell you that in 1800, Brown HEARN senior and his wife Mary (nee SMITH) leased a property called "Great Cridmore Farm" and that Brown HEARN junior was the Keeper of Carisbrooke Castle. His wife was Sarah ROACH and they had 14 children, 4 of whom emigrated to Victoria. Regards David in Ballarat >Thanks, >Peter Gawn >Sechelt, B.C. Canada.

Hi Noelene If you write to: Bereavement Services, The Crematorium, Whippingham, Isle of Wight, with the details you have, including the date of death/burial, they will be able to tell you the plot number. If you then let me know the number, I can take a photo for you. ATB Sally-Ann Noelene Selmes <noelene4@dodo.com.au> wrote: Dear List, Wondering if a Clara YOUNG who married for the second time to ALEXANDER YOUNG 1920 St Blazius, Shanklin, would be buried Shanklin Gen Cem . Previous married name WILTON Maiden name HENSON Could someone please advise the address for the Cem so as to write for further information. Cheers Noelene Selmes Sydney Australia

Hi All I am trying to trace the family of John DENNET and Elizabeth YATES, who married 28th December 1850, Newchurch. I think that is near Ryde somewhere?????? Elizabeth had at least one brother James YATES and one sister Mary Ann who married a SIMMONDS. I have found these three people on the 1851,1871 and 1881 census. My husband is descended directly from James YATES, we think parents were George and Lydia YATES, from the Ryde area. Anyone have any links here?? Cheers Karen Green Brisbane Australia --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 27/06/2004