Ann and Les also helped me greatly in my early search on my branch of the Corney family. Today it is Dave Peach, Janet Griffin and Sarah Pegg. Many thanks to you all. = = = = = = = = = = = = Pat C., BHCD Quakertown, PA US BLUROC1@worldnet.att.net = = = = = = = = = = = = = Incoming/outgoing mail scanned by Norton 2004 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris & Caroline To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 8:00 PM Subject: Ann and Les Barrett Jon I think a lot of people on this list would be lost without Ann and Les Barrett. What a smashing couple, they never complain about the number of people that contact them. This world would be a much better place with more people like these two. They are the "foundation stones" of this list! Chris and Caroline -----Original Message----- From: Jon Baker [mailto:jon@vectis10w.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 25 August 2004 22:40 To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IoW] Looking for help with IW RYALL in Oz Thanks to Ann Barrett (again, where would my RYALL research be without her and Les) I have found why another of "my" IW RYALLs appeared to have gone walkabout, in this case almost literally. On Ann's site she had a reference to an H H RYALL in the County Press in 1926. Ann sent me a copy of the photograph and it showed Herbert Henry Ryall, JP of Ryde, son of T Ryall who had been appointed as private secretary to the former Australian PM William Morris Hughes. Having found this out, I then discovered with a little googling that HH died in 1975, and the Ryerson Index http://www.rootsweb.com/~nswsdps/dpsindex.htm indicates that there is an obituary in the Sydney Morning Herald of 4 Jan 1975. Here's the point - do any of our Australian subscribers know how I might obtain a copy/transcript of this obituary? It would hopefully give some more useful information about what happened to him and any further family connections. I think I have found that he married Janet Burton Chapman but would like to confirm if possible. It still amazes me how one little snippet can translate so quickly into lots more useful information. Thanks again Ann. Since then I found in the latest IOWFHS journal received yesterday that Herbert's sister Elsie Margaret who I knew married Henry W O Weeks became mayoress of Ryde during WW2. Henry was mayor of course, and his son was Colin Weeks, whose diary has been serialised in the last few IOWFHS journals - I had not previously taken much interest in them but now will have to go and re-read them with a new insight. Its interesting to see that this branch of the RYALLs who were (like most others) ordinary labourers/ag labs, suddenly gave rise to the mayoress of Ryde, and the private secretary to a former Oz PM. Jon Baker Calne, UK www.vectis10w.freeserve.co.uk --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004 --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004 ______________________________

--=======6F4C42DF======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2F3A4C36; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here here - the IOW list is very helpful at all times, but Ann has really been marvellous with my family research over the years. Les too. Thankyou. Liz At 01:00 AM 8/26/04, you wrote: >Jon >I think a lot of people on this list would be lost without Ann and Les >Barrett. >What a smashing couple, they never complain about the number of people >that contact them. >This world would be a much better place with more people like these two. >They are the "foundation stones" of this list! >Chris and Caroline > > > Elizabeth Lane Worthing West Sussex liz_lane@ntlworld.com --=======6F4C42DF======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2F3A4C36 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.737 / Virus Database: 491 - Release Date: 8/11/04 --=======6F4C42DF=======--

Hi to all! > I think a lot of people on this list would be lost without Ann and Les > Barrett. Yes, and also Suzanne Maitland-Wood. Thanks to Ann and Suzanne, this year I have all my mother's family. My mother is 87 years old, and only some months ago she knew her grandmothers name... As I am 60, in my life time I would of never found all this data without this list and there wonderful people. > This world would be a much better place with more people like these God bless them! My REAL best wishes for them! :-) cheers, Raine in south Patagonia

Hi John, If you subscribe to DPS-SYDNEY-D@rootsweb.com You will find there are kind people who will look up the Sydney Morning Herald reference you have given and let you know what it says. It might only be a short reference to the funeral but that would give you something more to work on. If you have any difficulty I could write to them for you. Hope this helps Lis Warwood -----Original Message----- From: Jon Baker [mailto:jon@vectis10w.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 26 August 2004 7:10 AM To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IoW] Looking for help with IW RYALL in Oz Thanks to Ann Barrett (again, where would my RYALL research be without her and Les) I have found why another of "my" IW RYALLs appeared to have gone walkabout, in this case almost literally. On Ann's site she had a reference to an H H RYALL in the County Press in 1926. Ann sent me a copy of the photograph and it showed Herbert Henry Ryall, JP of Ryde, son of T Ryall who had been appointed as private secretary to the former Australian PM William Morris Hughes. Having found this out, I then discovered with a little googling that HH died in 1975, and the Ryerson Index http://www.rootsweb.com/~nswsdps/dpsindex.htm indicates that there is an obituary in the Sydney Morning Herald of 4 Jan 1975. Here's the point - do any of our Australian subscribers know how I might obtain a copy/transcript of this obituary? It would hopefully give some more useful information about what happened to him and any further family connections. I think I have found that he married Janet Burton Chapman but would like to confirm if possible. It still amazes me how one little snippet can translate so quickly into lots more useful information. Thanks again Ann. Since then I found in the latest IOWFHS journal received yesterday that Herbert's sister Elsie Margaret who I knew married Henry W O Weeks became mayoress of Ryde during WW2. Henry was mayor of course, and his son was Colin Weeks, whose diary has been serialised in the last few IOWFHS journals - I had not previously taken much interest in them but now will have to go and re-read them with a new insight. Its interesting to see that this branch of the RYALLs who were (like most others) ordinary labourers/ag labs, suddenly gave rise to the mayoress of Ryde, and the private secretary to a former Oz PM. Jon Baker Calne, UK www.vectis10w.freeserve.co.uk

Jon, Looks like you were right re the marriage. NSW BDMs are searchable on line. Go to: http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au and search for Herbert Ryall. You should come up with a marriage in 1942 to Janet Burton Chapman. Regards Michael Jacobs Port Macquarie NSW -----Original Message----- From: Jon Baker [mailto:jon@vectis10w.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:40 AM To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IoW] Looking for help with IW RYALL in Oz Thanks to Ann Barrett (again, where would my RYALL research be without her and Les) I have found why another of "my" IW RYALLs appeared to have gone walkabout, in this case almost literally. On Ann's site she had a reference to an H H RYALL in the County Press in 1926. Ann sent me a copy of the photograph and it showed Herbert Henry Ryall, JP of Ryde, son of T Ryall who had been appointed as private secretary to the former Australian PM William Morris Hughes. Having found this out, I then discovered with a little googling that HH died in 1975, and the Ryerson Index http://www.rootsweb.com/~nswsdps/dpsindex.htm indicates that there is an obituary in the Sydney Morning Herald of 4 Jan 1975. Here's the point - do any of our Australian subscribers know how I might obtain a copy/transcript of this obituary? It would hopefully give some more useful information about what happened to him and any further family connections. I think I have found that he married Janet Burton Chapman but would like to confirm if possible. It still amazes me how one little snippet can translate so quickly into lots more useful information. Thanks again Ann. Since then I found in the latest IOWFHS journal received yesterday that Herbert's sister Elsie Margaret who I knew married Henry W O Weeks became mayoress of Ryde during WW2. Henry was mayor of course, and his son was Colin Weeks, whose diary has been serialised in the last few IOWFHS journals - I had not previously taken much interest in them but now will have to go and re-read them with a new insight. Its interesting to see that this branch of the RYALLs who were (like most others) ordinary labourers/ag labs, suddenly gave rise to the mayoress of Ryde, and the private secretary to a former Oz PM. Jon Baker Calne, UK www.vectis10w.freeserve.co.uk

Jon I think a lot of people on this list would be lost without Ann and Les Barrett. What a smashing couple, they never complain about the number of people that contact them. This world would be a much better place with more people like these two. They are the "foundation stones" of this list! Chris and Caroline -----Original Message----- From: Jon Baker [mailto:jon@vectis10w.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 25 August 2004 22:40 To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IoW] Looking for help with IW RYALL in Oz Thanks to Ann Barrett (again, where would my RYALL research be without her and Les) I have found why another of "my" IW RYALLs appeared to have gone walkabout, in this case almost literally. On Ann's site she had a reference to an H H RYALL in the County Press in 1926. Ann sent me a copy of the photograph and it showed Herbert Henry Ryall, JP of Ryde, son of T Ryall who had been appointed as private secretary to the former Australian PM William Morris Hughes. Having found this out, I then discovered with a little googling that HH died in 1975, and the Ryerson Index http://www.rootsweb.com/~nswsdps/dpsindex.htm indicates that there is an obituary in the Sydney Morning Herald of 4 Jan 1975. Here's the point - do any of our Australian subscribers know how I might obtain a copy/transcript of this obituary? It would hopefully give some more useful information about what happened to him and any further family connections. I think I have found that he married Janet Burton Chapman but would like to confirm if possible. It still amazes me how one little snippet can translate so quickly into lots more useful information. Thanks again Ann. Since then I found in the latest IOWFHS journal received yesterday that Herbert's sister Elsie Margaret who I knew married Henry W O Weeks became mayoress of Ryde during WW2. Henry was mayor of course, and his son was Colin Weeks, whose diary has been serialised in the last few IOWFHS journals - I had not previously taken much interest in them but now will have to go and re-read them with a new insight. Its interesting to see that this branch of the RYALLs who were (like most others) ordinary labourers/ag labs, suddenly gave rise to the mayoress of Ryde, and the private secretary to a former Oz PM. Jon Baker Calne, UK www.vectis10w.freeserve.co.uk --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004 --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004

Thanks to Ann Barrett (again, where would my RYALL research be without her and Les) I have found why another of "my" IW RYALLs appeared to have gone walkabout, in this case almost literally. On Ann's site she had a reference to an H H RYALL in the County Press in 1926. Ann sent me a copy of the photograph and it showed Herbert Henry Ryall, JP of Ryde, son of T Ryall who had been appointed as private secretary to the former Australian PM William Morris Hughes. Having found this out, I then discovered with a little googling that HH died in 1975, and the Ryerson Index http://www.rootsweb.com/~nswsdps/dpsindex.htm indicates that there is an obituary in the Sydney Morning Herald of 4 Jan 1975. Here's the point - do any of our Australian subscribers know how I might obtain a copy/transcript of this obituary? It would hopefully give some more useful information about what happened to him and any further family connections. I think I have found that he married Janet Burton Chapman but would like to confirm if possible. It still amazes me how one little snippet can translate so quickly into lots more useful information. Thanks again Ann. Since then I found in the latest IOWFHS journal received yesterday that Herbert's sister Elsie Margaret who I knew married Henry W O Weeks became mayoress of Ryde during WW2. Henry was mayor of course, and his son was Colin Weeks, whose diary has been serialised in the last few IOWFHS journals - I had not previously taken much interest in them but now will have to go and re-read them with a new insight. Its interesting to see that this branch of the RYALLs who were (like most others) ordinary labourers/ag labs, suddenly gave rise to the mayoress of Ryde, and the private secretary to a former Oz PM. Jon Baker Calne, UK www.vectis10w.freeserve.co.uk

Hi Jan, Sadly the only Pragnell I had was 1959, so I looked up a couple off the IOW website. Hope they are better. For info: http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/ St George, Arreton: RANN, James m. 1959 PRAGNELL, Pauline, J Marr Cert: COE1.5/30 I checked the period 1862-1910: Register Office or Nonconformist / RC Church: PRAGNELL, George m. 1898 BUCKETT, (NEWNHAM) Emily, J M/C: RO41/162 PRAGNELL, Ella m. 1925 BEAUMONT, Ratcliffe M/C: RO73/58 PRAGNELL, Ellen, M m. 1939 WOODNUTT, Edwin, F M/C: RO90/54 St Mary, Brook: PRAGNELL, Edgar, H m. 1916 HOBBS, Lilian M/C: COE9.1/71 St George, Arreton: PRAGNELL, Ellen, J m. 1879 MATTHEWS, George M/C: COE1.1/406 PRAGNELL, George, L m. 1908 WHITE, Louisa, A M/C: COE1.2/68 Good Shepherd Lake: PRAGNELL, Ellen, M m. 1936 MABEY, Anthony, R, B M/C: COE24.1/25 St. John, Oakfield: PRAGNELL, Edward, S m. 1934 BROTHERHOOD, Audrey, E, D M/C: COE34.3/199 All Saints, Ryde: PRAGNELL, Herbert, C m. 1926 WILLIAMS, Alma, R M/C: COE35.4/250 PS: These are the only Ed Pragnell & Ellen Pragnell’s on the IOW website, between 1862 & 1940. There were no Susan or Rose Pragnell (Pregnell) marriages in this period. Good luck in your research. Regards, Ron from the Land of Oz -----Original Message----- From: Ken Robb [mailto:kwrobb@ispnz.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 3:19 PM To: racmcoop@bigpond.net.au Subject: Re Pragnell Dear Ron, I came across your offer of surnames data in the IOW mailing list archives and would appreciate some help with Pragnell. I am researching for a friend, a George Pragnell who was possibly born Newport IOW around 1881/82 he supposedly had brothers Clement, Herbert, and Edward and sisters Ellen or Nell, Rose, Susan. HIS mother died when he was two and my friend does not know more than that. The IGI has not been very helpful either. A word file as you mentioned would be very helpful if you can send any data on this surname please, Thanking you, Jan Robb.

Hi to all the listers, I am a newbie researching for a friend the surname Pragnell. I note from looking in the archives quite a bit of activity with this name, so help someone can be of help. My friends grandfather was GEORGE PRAGNELL who married ALICE COPAS in Middlesex in 1909 and was born approx 1881-82 Looking at the 1901 census I found George Pragnell in Middlesex age 19 as a private infantryman [which fits, he was in the tenth Hussars at one stage] and birthplace Newport IOW. There is debate in the family whether the family is from IOW or Tytherley in Hamps, perhaps it is both. There is also the idea that there is also a Clement, Herbert and Edward, and Ellen or Nell, Rose and Susan in the family. George's mother died when he was two years old and older sister Nell or Ellen brought him up. The family have no idea who the parents are, and I have found those names in the 1881 census in various families in both places, Clement being rather rare with only one in each place. They were part of a large family as usual and I wonder if the Clement born Dec 1866 in Arreton could be an eldest brother, as he too appears to have fought in the Boer War, from data I have found. There is a George born Newport in the 1881 census with a couple of older family members possibly absent, parents Samuel James and Maria Pragnell. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Jan Robb....Central Otago...N.Z.

Found the following on the 1881 Canadian Census on Prince Edward Island. Belive there were Cudmore's around Hamp and IOW. Know a few of the Corney family were Bible Christian and Brethren. Have 1881 Canadian Census disc and will do lookups. = = = = = = = = = = = = Pat C., BHCD Quakertown, PA US BLUROC1@worldnet.att.net Cen: Ont HurNor Ashfield CORNEY, Mary <1844> F English Bir: Engl Cen: PEI Prince Summerside Census Place: Summerside, Prince, Prince Edward Island, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375798 NAC C-13162 Dist 1 SubDist Q Page 12 Family 54 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace John CUDMORE M M 64 English England Occ: Farmer Religion: Bible Christian Ann CUDMORE F M 73 English England Religion: Bible Christian Mary CORNEY F 37 English England Occ: Servant Religion: Bible Christian Rebeca CUDMORE F W 86 English England Religion: Bible Christian - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cen: NS Antigo HarboBouch CORNEY, Robert <1847> M English Bir: Engl Cen: PEI Queens Lot23 Census Place: Lot 23, Queens, Prince Edward Island, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375799 NAC C-13163 Dist 2 SubDist E Page 44 Family 178 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Robert CORNEY M M 34 English England Occ: Laborer Religion: Baptist Sarah CORNEY F M 24 English Prince Edward Island Religion: Baptist Nathaniel CORNEY M 1 English Prince Edward Island = = = = = = = = = = = = = Incoming/outgoing mail scanned by Norton 2004 = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Hi, I have been part of the list for a little while but have not as yet posted my interests. My main interest is with the Woodford family from Brighstone. I do have quite a bit of information about them, although I would be interested in hearing from anyone with connections. However, my interest at the moment is with the Dyer family. Jane Dyer married Philip Woodford on 10 May 1834 at Carisbrooke. She was bap. 17 Dec 1815 at House of Industry, Carisbrooke. Her parents are listed as Richard Dyer (sea captain) and Rebecca Drake. I have been unable to find out anything else about the family. I would welcome any suggestions and information. I would really like to hear from anyone who has this family in their tree. Thanks, Maryanne Till Brisbane, Australia

Hi, Everyone- I'm looking for the parents of Henry ROGERS, born 3/27/1822 at Staplers, IOW. I believe his parents were James ROGERS, born 12/2/1798 at Arreton and Jane URRY. Would anyone on the list have a connection to this family? Also looking for Maria APPLETON (married the above Henry Rogers), born 4/12/1825 in Fareham, Hampshire. I believe her parents were John Appleton and Ann WHITE. Lastly, another ancestor, Samuel KETLEY, was tollgate keeper at Bellacroft Gate (Staplers) in Whippingham in the later part of the 1880's. I can't find any mention or pictures of it (Ann Barrett kindly sent me an old map that indicated its location!) or the house that I assume came with the job. Just wondering if by any chance, the house was still there and if anyone knows where I might find records/pictures of it. Thanks so much in advance for any help or advice! Regards, Nancy Dettbarn

The Mailwasher spam filter I am using booted out a few legitimate messages and did not pass them through to Outlook Express. The one I can remember referred to a Horatio Woodford and two children. My answer is a negative as far as knowing of any connection to my branch and not having a name or address I cannot answer the sender direct, I am hoping they will see this. Terence

I am searching for the departure from the Isle of Wight circa 1674 by an Edward Purple to the Massachusetts/ Connecticut area .of the colonies -namely Middlesex county, town of Haddam . Almost immediately he married a Hannah Ackley, daughter of Nicholas Ackley said to from Shalford, Essex son of a John Ackley. Barbara Purple Laviers

The address is SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) The History of the villages of Hampshire and its surrounding counties http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages Chris and Caroline SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) -----Original Message----- From: sally [mailto:daisykin@msn.com] Sent: 21 August 2004 13:38 To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IoW] RE; TRENCHARD in Hordhill and Schaldflint Hello Graham, In the Southern Life website (sorry don't have the address), Villages and towns of the IOW, Shalfleet, they mention a grave of Pagan Trenchard at the church. Also if you try http://www.steve.shalfleet.net and go to "more about Shalfleet" it has a list of previous spellings/names of Shalfleet. Sally. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004 --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004

21 August 2004 Andy, I do not know the names you are seeking, but I am interested in the TRIM name from the Isle of Wight. I go back to Joseph TRIM = Ann SQUIB (SKWIB), who in the 1770s-1790s had many children, including Hannah TRIM, at Brading. Hannah = James SEXTON in 1800/1 at Niton. Their daughter Mary = Charles DOWNER, one of whose daughters was Jane Anne, who married John WILLIAMS. They came to Australia, and one of their daughters was my grandmother. Anything here ring a bell for you? Richard Lawton Adelaide At 07:01 AM 20/08/2004, you wrote: >Was wondering if anyone was researching Alfred WARREN b 1857 (reg Cowes) of >Fanny Anne JOLLIFFE b 1853 (reg Ryde). They married 1879. >In 1881 census Lizzie JOLLIFFE age 14 is staying with them. > >Would love to hear from anyone. >Andy Trim >Australia

Hello Graham, In the Southern Life website (sorry don't have the address), Villages and towns of the IOW, Shalfleet, they mention a grave of Pagan Trenchard at the church. Also if you try http://www.steve.shalfleet.net and go to "more about Shalfleet" it has a list of previous spellings/names of Shalfleet. Sally.

Hullo Liz Lane, Are these names familiar to you? Betty TAYLOR (b1741/2) married David DALLIMORE at Arreton, 1766. She was the daughter of John TAYLOR and Jane Unknown, who married at Boldre, Hampshire, 17.8 1733. With best wishes, Helen Martin (Dallimore)

Hi Andy I have an Ann TRIM married Richard TEWKESBURY in 1838 at St.George, Arreton. any connection? regards ray

Readers, I have traced my descendants back to a James Kitchen or Kitchens to Isle of Wight in Va. U.S.A. My question is could this man have come from the Isle of Wight in England? Is there any one looking into the Kitchen geneology at your web site? Would appreciate any information. James Kitchen Sr. born circa 1698-1727 in?(England) married Martha Mathews in Massachusetts, U.S.A. died: 1-17-1762. They had approx. 13 children, one James Jr. was stated as born 1749 in Isle of Wight County, Va. U.S.A. Any help appreciated. Helen (Kitchen ) Lowe U.S.A.