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    1. [IoW] ELKINS UPDATE
    2. Peter & Angela McMurtry
    3. Due to the amount of interest in Emma Elkins I decided to have a look in the 1861 Census COSHAM STREET ( RG09 654) Sarah ELKINS Head Widow Age 70 no occupation b Carisbrooke Emma ELKINS Dau Un Age 32 Dressmaker :-) b " Fanny ELKINS Dau Un Age 31 Dressmaker b " Alfred ELKINS Grand Son Age 17 b Newport Henry ELKINS Grand Son Age 10 b Carisbrooke William ELKINS Grand Son Age 10 b " George ELKINS Grand Son Age 7 b " Caroline ELKINS Grand Dau Age 1 " Frederick ELKINS Grand Son Age 2 b " Now what's the bet none of the grand kids looked alike and they were all illeg ? Well I am pleased to say that Alfred at least appears to have been born above board 1848 birth reg for Newport father HORNE. The others though :-) ..... ALL have no father registered ! There is another possibly daughter a Emma ELKINS b 1852 Newport no father recorded , a son George Molesworth Elkins 1853 Newport also with no father Also found two more recorded with no father - twins Thomas Elkins in 1861 and Charles Henry 1861 Newport A DNA sample from descendant of this line would be very interesting ! Now did they all belong to Emma or was Fanny also in the same line of business :-) Angela Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig. All mail scanned with AVAST 2008 No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced

    05/14/2008 04:30:11
    1. Re: [IoW] Occupation "dressmaker"
    2. John Love
    3. My research has a focus on Tyneside and the occupation "dressmaker" appears often in dwellings where a large number of young females reside with an older female, who has a more 'matronly' title! John LOVE > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [IoW] ELKINS UPDATE > From: > "Peter & Angela McMurtry" <[email protected]> > Date: > Wed, 14 May 2008 10:30:11 +1000 > To: > <[email protected]> > > To: > <[email protected]> > > > Due to the amount of interest in Emma Elkins I decided to have a look in the 1861 Census > > COSHAM STREET ( RG09 654) > > Sarah ELKINS Head Widow Age 70 no occupation b Carisbrooke > Emma ELKINS Dau Un Age 32 Dressmaker :-) b " > Fanny ELKINS Dau Un Age 31 Dressmaker b " > Alfred ELKINS Grand Son Age 17 b Newport > Henry ELKINS Grand Son Age 10 b Carisbrooke > William ELKINS Grand Son Age 10 b " > George ELKINS Grand Son Age 7 b " > Caroline ELKINS Grand Dau Age 1 " > Frederick ELKINS Grand Son Age 2 b " > > Now what's the bet none of the grand kids looked alike and they were all illeg ? Well I am pleased to say that Alfred at least appears to have been born above board 1848 birth reg for Newport father HORNE. > > The others though :-) ..... > > ALL have no father registered ! > > There is another possibly daughter a Emma ELKINS b 1852 Newport no father recorded , a son George Molesworth Elkins 1853 Newport also with no father > > Also found two more recorded with no father - twins Thomas Elkins in 1861 and Charles Henry 1861 Newport > > A DNA sample from descendant of this line would be very interesting ! > > Now did they all belong to Emma or was Fanny also in the same line of business :-) > > Angela > <snip>

    05/14/2008 02:55:50
    1. Re: [IoW] Emma Elkins and her innovative way of getting food
    2. Catriona Williamson
    3. Oh yes! I did comment that my husband's IoW ancestors had a different take on expanding the gene pool. There is an Emma Elkins in his tree. In 1860, she would have had an 8 year old and a 10 year old to feed! Perhaps the joint of mutton and the piece of bacon came in handy! Shakespeare, in MacBeth, had a porter commenting that too much drink "provokes the desire but takes away the performance." Perhaps Jacob Dennes suffered from this affliction, having imbibed so much beer and other liquids he could not precisely describe. Finally, proof of Emma's accomplishments. If you find any more snippets from the quarter sessions where Emma was committed, Angela, please send them on. We need more laughs! Catriona PS: Emma is described as a "common" prostitute. What would you have to do to be an uncommon prostitute? On 13/05/2008, at 4:42 PM, Peter & Angela McMurtry wrote: > > 25 Aug 1860 > > (this one had me laughing) > > Emma ELKINS , a common prostitute charged with robbing an elderly > man names Jacob DENNES resisiding at Rookley, of a pair of boots, a > joint of mutton , a piece of bacon and 2 handkerchiefs. It appeared > by the evidence of the prosecutor, that he came in to town at 4pm > and made his purchased, and that having had a bint of beer at one > place, and another at some other place, besides other liquids at > other places, the precise selection of which he could not describe, > but at each it appears the prisoner was present, he found himself at > 2am in the morning near the old burying ground, on his way home, > with the prisoner hanging on to one of his arms and the two bundles > hanging on to the other. Her loving endearments caused him to > deposit the latter on the ground at his feet. Then the prisoner gave > the alarm that a soldier was coming and speedily decamped, the old > man looking about for his bundles found them to his great > astonishment that they had vanished with the prisoner, who was > apprehended the next morning in a common brothel in Cosham St, his > boots were found but not one ounce of the eatables could be > discovered. Committed to the quarter sessions > ---------------------- > > Does Cosham St still exist .. I wonder if the locals know of it's > colourful past :-) > Angela Catriona and Bruce Williamson [email protected]

    05/13/2008 02:24:02
    1. Re: [IoW] Cosham Street
    2. Kate Burhouse
    3. ... and the site of the wonderful supermarket, where my son (then aged 1) left his precious rabbit (soft toy) on the last day of our holiday and they posted it back to us in Devon. I will be eternally grateful to them! Kate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jon Baker Sent: 13 May 2008 19:32 To: 'Peter & Angela McMurtry'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [IoW] Aug 1860 Angela Cosham Street is nowadays South Street, the site of the Bus Station, Fire Station amongst other establishments. To be honest there are probably very few "residents" in South Street, it is primarily a commercial street. Jon Baker -----Original Message----- Subject: [IoW] Aug 1860 25 Aug 1860 ---------------------- Does Cosham St still exist .. I wonder if the locals know of it's colourful past :-) Angela ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/13/2008 02:04:52
    1. Re: [IoW] Aug 1860
    2. Jon Baker
    3. Angela Cosham Street is nowadays South Street, the site of the Bus Station, Fire Station amongst other establishments. To be honest there are probably very few "residents" in South Street, it is primarily a commercial street. Jon Baker -----Original Message----- Subject: [IoW] Aug 1860 25 Aug 1860 ---------------------- Does Cosham St still exist .. I wonder if the locals know of it's colourful past :-) Angela

    05/13/2008 01:31:49
    1. Re: [IoW] Emma Elkins and her innovative way of getting food
    2. MSU
    3. A "Common" prostitute would normally refer to one of ordinary qualities; without special rank or position, whilst a prostitute with wealthy or upper-class clients may be referred to as a "Courtesan". Yes, even Kings use prostitutes! (Lillie Langtry was more tastefully described as a "Mistress" to Edward VII) Indeed, the popularity, prosperity and longevity of the profession tend to suggest that demand is ever far reaching and that client's wealth usually exceeds that of the average drunk who as probably spent most of his money in acquiring that condition! On a more personal note, one of my own IoW family, Fanny Urry, is recorded working as a saloon dancer in the American Far West!!! Mark URRY La Rochelle, France. Catriona Williamson wrote: > Emma is described as a "common" prostitute. What would you have > to do to be an uncommon prostitute?

    05/13/2008 09:59:42
    1. [IoW] Aug 1860
    2. Peter & Angela McMurtry
    3. 25 Aug 1860 George SMITH , private in 45th Reg , charged with deserting from Royal Marines at Woolwich Corporal CANNING - theft of a silver watch from his comrade James HARRIS, of the 30th Regiment - discharged after a Corporal and Private from same Regiment claimed he as in barracks in his bed William MEADS , Patrick MOONEY, Henry KELLYS & James CAREY , 4 privates in the Royal Artillery stationed at Freshwater brought up handcuffed under charge of having made a murderous and cowardly attack on James BLANDFORD, the landlord of the 'Kings Head' whose life was despaired of for several days. Prisoners remanded owing to witness being too ill to appear James SALTER of Newchurch , a mason, charged with drunk and disorderly and using indecent and profane language . The defendant didn't think it necessary to appear to the summons, knowing the old penalty to be 5s plus costs, but the Chairman, addressing the court, said if the defendant had any friends from Ventnor present, it was well that they should know that a recent act gave the Magistrate the power to commit drunkards to Winchester Gaol to hard labour instead of inflicting a fine, and he was very much inclined to put the new law in to force on the present occasion Edwards HOWES, Landlord of the 'Tontine' in Cosham St charged with the selling of beer during divine service on Aug 5th and 12th fined 40s and 5s in costs George COXHEAD, Landlord of the Hope & Groom Beer House in Pyle St , charged with drawing beer after hours and fined 20s. The witness having deposed to the finding of a Sergeant of the 45th Regiment with 2 prostitutes in the tap room at 2am, with beer before them, after the landlord and his wife had gone to bed. Defendant said he knew nothing about it, they had gone to races, and he supposed he had left the door open when they went to bed and these parties came in. (this one had me laughing) Emma ELKINS , a common prostitute charged with robbing an elderly man names Jacob DENNES resisiding at Rookley, of a pair of boots, a joint of mutton , a piece of bacon and 2 handkerchiefs. It appeared by the evidence of the prosecutor, that he came in to town at 4pm and made his purchased, and that having had a bint of beer at one place, and another at some other place, besides other liquids at other places, the precise selection of which he could not describe, but at each it appears the prisoner was present, he found himself at 2am in the morning near the old burying ground, on his way home, with the prisoner hanging on to one of his arms and the two bundles hanging on to the other. Her loving endearments caused him to deposit the latter on the ground at his feet. Then the prisoner gave the alarm that a soldier was coming and speedily decamped, the old man looking about for his bundles found them to his great astonishment that they had vanished with the prisoner, who was apprehended the next morning in a common brothel in Cosham St, his boots were found but not one ounce of the eatables could be discovered. Committed to the quarter sessions ---------------------- Does Cosham St still exist .. I wonder if the locals know of it's colourful past :-) Angela Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig. All mail scanned with AVAST 2008 No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced

    05/13/2008 08:42:57
    1. [IoW] snippet May 1860
    2. Peter & Angela McMurtry
    3. 26 May 1860 Charles PARKER, a Waggoner in the employ of Mr PRESCOTT, a railway carrier, was charged with driving a horse to Ventnor which had no less than 11 wounds under the collar and on the hip. Shocking state of animal was not denied fined 12s HATTON of the 22nd Reg, charged with assaulting police. On Sunday night there was a great uproar amongst the prostitutes in the corn -market. PC TILEY investigated to see three of them run away through the yard in Pyle St into Cosham St, the remaining 2 asserting that it was the others making all the noise. He followed and found the defendant with a girl named GROUNDSELL, and had he had cautioned her several times before that night, he ordered her home, the defendant said the girl was his charge. The defendant challenged him to a fight saying he was a 'rale Irish gentleman' and kept swearing and abusing him whilst he got in to the Main St, when, having procured the assistance of two other policeman and having made the girl go home, he took the defendant in to custody and lodged him at the station house. The defendant did not deny the charge of obstruction but said he never used the blackguard language attributed to him. Fined 40s Accident at Appley Mr JACKMAN , better known as 'Barber Jackman' was walking the Appley wall with a few jolly pals, all intent, we believe, on a Bacchanalian excursion and having imbibed certain quantities of overpowering potations, the said Barber lost his equilibrium and tumbled over the wall to the rocks below. His jolly companions descended to assist and carried him back to the Bath tavern at Springvale, he required a surgeon, no bones were broken but internal injuries were discovered Charles WILSON and William DYER charged with drunk and disorderly fined 2s and 6d in costs A full page article recapping the dreadful Sandown murders I have previous posted ( Mr Whitworth killing his wife and 6 of his 7 children). It quotes the unfortunate woman and 6 children being buried in the one grave at Brading Churchyard ( anyone seen it?) Apparently thousands of locals turned up to pay their respects. Angela Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig. All mail scanned with AVAST 2008 No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced

    05/13/2008 08:21:33
    1. Re: [IoW] Emma Elkins and her innovative way of getting food
    2. Janet
    3. I think the term common prostitute was to add more emphasis to distaste for the occupation, and the fact; maybe, the adjective described her demeanour, as opposed to one who quietly went about her business? After all, it is alleged, and according to my grandmother's notes, even the King and wealthy gentlemen used the services of a prostitute Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catriona Williamson" <[email protected]> To: "Peter & Angela McMurtry" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [IoW] Emma Elkins and her innovative way of getting food > Oh yes! I did comment that my husband's IoW ancestors had a different > take on expanding the gene pool. There is an Emma Elkins in his > tree. In 1860, she would have had an 8 year old and a 10 year old to > feed! Perhaps the joint of mutton and the piece of bacon came in handy! > > Shakespeare, in MacBeth, had a porter commenting that too much drink > "provokes the desire but takes away the performance." Perhaps Jacob > Dennes suffered from this affliction, having imbibed so much beer and > other liquids he could not precisely describe. > > Finally, proof of Emma's accomplishments. > > If you find any more snippets from the quarter sessions where Emma was > committed, Angela, please send them on. We need more laughs! > > Catriona > > PS: Emma is described as a "common" prostitute. What would you have > to do to be an uncommon prostitute?

    05/13/2008 07:00:12
    1. Re: [IoW] snippet May 1860
    2. luchsinger
    3. I am pretty sure that it was the Whitworth family burials that are listed in the Brading church's burial records. I had looked at the burial records for some of my family and came across theirs. I remember it because of the children and if I remember correctly it even listed in the records that they were killed by their father. I did not keep a copy since they were not related. It was shocking enough to remember it. Sharon Luchsinger USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter & Angela McMurtry Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IoW] snippet May 1860 26 May 1860 Charles PARKER, a Waggoner in the employ of Mr PRESCOTT, a railway carrier, was charged with driving a horse to Ventnor which had no less than 11 wounds under the collar and on the hip. Shocking state of animal was not denied fined 12s HATTON of the 22nd Reg, charged with assaulting police. On Sunday night there was a great uproar amongst the prostitutes in the corn -market. PC TILEY investigated to see three of them run away through the yard in Pyle St into Cosham St, the remaining 2 asserting that it was the others making all the noise. He followed and found the defendant with a girl named GROUNDSELL, and had he had cautioned her several times before that night, he ordered her home, the defendant said the girl was his charge. The defendant challenged him to a fight saying he was a 'rale Irish gentleman' and kept swearing and abusing him whilst he got in to the Main St, when, having procured the assistance of two other policeman and having made the girl go home, he took the defendant in to custody and lodged him at the station house. The defendant did not deny the charge of obstruction but said he never used the blackguard language attributed to him. Fined 40s Accident at Appley Mr JACKMAN , better known as 'Barber Jackman' was walking the Appley wall with a few jolly pals, all intent, we believe, on a Bacchanalian excursion and having imbibed certain quantities of overpowering potations, the said Barber lost his equilibrium and tumbled over the wall to the rocks below. His jolly companions descended to assist and carried him back to the Bath tavern at Springvale, he required a surgeon, no bones were broken but internal injuries were discovered Charles WILSON and William DYER charged with drunk and disorderly fined 2s and 6d in costs A full page article recapping the dreadful Sandown murders I have previous posted ( Mr Whitworth killing his wife and 6 of his 7 children). It quotes the unfortunate woman and 6 children being buried in the one grave at Brading Churchyard ( anyone seen it?) Apparently thousands of locals turned up to pay their respects. Angela

    05/13/2008 03:12:49
    1. [IoW] snippet Aug 1860
    2. Peter & Angela McMurtry
    3. 18 Aug 1860 Jacob LEAL, labourer, charged with suffering his family to become chargeable to Guardians of Poor William MUNDELL, of West Cowes, carpenter, assaulting police in execution of duty, fined 17s William HARDY, of Ventnor, labourer, theft of a towel, discharged as prosecution did not appear Henry JACOBS, labourer, embezzling 3s the property of Dr PORTER of Godshill, 1 month hard labour P.C JOLLIFFE , drunk and disorderly on a Sunday night fined 10s Angela Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig. All mail scanned with AVAST 2008 No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced

    05/12/2008 11:34:34
    1. [IoW] snippets Aug 1849 & April 1848
    2. Peter & Angela McMurtry
    3. 18 Aug 1849 William WICKENDEN - charged with furious driving and with being drunk and disorderly fined 5s and 5s in costs. Second charge of drunk and disorderly and resisting arrest. The defendant pleaded 'total oblivion' as to the circumstances , he was sorry , it was his first offence, and from an injury he received some years ago to his head , when he took a little dink he did not know what he did. Fined another 5s and 7s 6 d in costs ( probably one of the best excuses I've seen ) Henry SHORT , theft of 73/ the property of Charles WILLIAMS, at the Medina Hotel,, East Cowes. WILLIAMS was a waiter at the hotel and SHORT the tapster. Committed to the Assizes John DAISH of Ventnor , charged by Richard ALLEN of same place with an assault on previous Wed. it was a petty offence so fined 6d and 7s in costs ---------- 22 April 1848 Committal of BAKER, COOLEY and HARVEY for the burglary and robbery at Lieu CANES. All 3 committed to Winchester Gaol for trial at the Assizes. Alfred HARVEY brother of the HARVEY charged with burglary and robbery was committed to Assizes at Winchester for perjury in swearing his brother was at home with him on night of the robbery George FISHER of Ryde, assault on William HELYER in the High St, fined 7s and 6d costs William PERKIS and Thomas LINNINGTON for a offence against the Ryde Act fined 7s and 6d in costs ( doesn't say what the offence was) William SIBBECK fined 10s for assault on James HOLBROOKE of Ryde Julia RASHLEY fined 5s and 5s costs for an offence against the Ryde Act Robert TEMPLEMAN, taking a dog on the Ryde pier fined 5s and costs Angela Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig. All mail scanned with AVAST 2008 No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced

    05/12/2008 11:23:59
    1. [IoW] snippets
    2. Peter & Angela McMurtry
    3. I'm enjoying reading through them :-) I just wish I could type out every page, the info is fascinating and gives you a wonderful insight in to what life must have been like on the Island. I have a heap more saved off including two interesting articles which I can't find at present .. you'll have to wait :-) I have decided the population fell in to two catergories 1. Religious zealots & 2 General rabble (hee hee) Miller - apprenticeship was 5 year's I think Angela in Qld Australia

    05/12/2008 11:12:53
    1. Re: [IoW] CRUELTY 1861
    2. Kate Burhouse
    3. I'm sad to say that this is one of my RANNs. Edward RANN was a younger brother of my 2xgreat grandfather George RANN, so I guess that this poor lad was named after my ancestor. This report was made in January 1861. By the time of the census, a few months later George was resident in the workhouse and here he remained until his death from consumption on 13th June 1866. I'm sorry I can't report a happier ending. Thank you to Angela for finding this report for me - my text search for RANN had missed this one. I'm now trying to work out what happened to the other children from Edward's first marriage, because George had a number of surviving siblings. In the 1861 census Edward and Hannah are shown as living with 2 of George's younger siblings, Clement and Frank and Hannah and Edward's baby son, born just about a month after the reported case. There's no sign of another child as referred to in the report, so either they were confusing Clement or Frank as being her own child or another one has since died or something. I'll have to dig further. Of course there may have been other circumstances that we don't know about and probably never will. Kate in lovely sunny Devon, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter & Angela McMurtry Sent: 08 May 2008 10:36 To: [email protected] Subject: [IoW] CRUELTY 1861 Makes you wonder where the husband was while all this was going on Angela Hannah RANN, a young married woman, and wife of Edward RANN, brewers labourer, of Carisbrooke, was charged with assaulting, ill treating, and neglecting a certain male child, aged 12 years. The son of her husbands former wife named George RANN. The evidence disclosed such a continued and systematic course of cruelty, the poor boy being worn down to a mere skeleton for want of food, his body covered with the marks of blows and bruises, that the Court committed her to take trial at the session. As an instance of her excessive punishment for a trifling offence, it was proved that on the Thursday preceding she kept him naked in a tub of cold water for a considerable time, with the temperature at 24c and until the neighbours released him by force. On the same day, when PC Lawlor paid a visit to his bedroom the poor child had only a wet sack to lie on the floor boards and a small piece of patchwork to cover him, whilst her own child was comfortably provided for, Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig. All mail scanned with AVAST 2008 No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/11/2008 03:09:33
    1. [IoW] IOW Millers and Mills
    2. Ken & Lorraine Neate
    3. Hello everyone Thanks to Angela and others for advice about the free newspaper trials. Using this I picked up an ad. in the "Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle' 6th December 1812 "To Millers Two men of good character, without incumbrance, the one as Grinder, the other as Flour Dresser, may find constant employment, on application to Mr Spearing, Shide Mill, Isle of Wight" I have been to the "Mill Trail" site and found that there were two mills at Shide "Upper" and "Lower". One of the mills survives as a residence. Not sure which of the two would have been the one where James Stares Spearing conducted his business. There were obviously quite a few mills on the Island. Can SKS advise if possible where on the social scale a miller would be. Was there an official "apprenticeship" for Miller, Malster and Brewer as Spearing later described himself? In 1812 he would have been in his early thirties- how long would he have trained for the job? Would he have been likely to have lived "on site" in attached premises or at some distance ? How many people would be employed in such an enterprise on an ongoing basis? What others besides the Grinder and Flour Dresser? Any thoughts or direction to helpful resources would be appreciated Lorraine

    05/11/2008 12:45:38
    1. [IoW] ST MARYS COWES
    2. Peter & Angela McMurtry
    3. If anyone lives within a short walking distance of St Mary's, Cowes could you please contact me off list . I need to beg a favour :-) Angela in Oz Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig. All mail scanned with AVAST 2008 No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced

    05/11/2008 12:07:22
    1. [IoW] Flour dresser
    2. Just reading this message from Lorraine and it reminded me of a discussion a few weeks back.? Wasn't someone attempting to decipher a census entry for "flour dresser?" Now we know what that was thanks to Lorraines sharp eye in the ads. Karen -----Original Message----- From: Ken & Lorraine Neate <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 11 May 2008 1:45 am Subject: [IoW] IOW Millers and Mills Hello everyone Thanks to Angela and others for advice about the free newspaper trials. Using this I picked up an ad. in the "Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle' 6th December 1812 "To Millers Two men of good character, without incumbrance, the one as Grinder, the other as Flour Dresser, may find constant employment, on application to Mr Spearing, Shide Mill, Isle of Wight" I have been to the "Mill Trail" site and found that there were two mills at Shide "Upper" and "Lower". One of the mills survives as a residence. Not sure which of the two would have been the one where James Stares Spearing conducted his business. There were obviously quite a few mills on the Island. Can SKS advise if possible where on the social scale a miller would be. Was there an official "apprenticeship" for Miller, Malster and Brewer as Spearing later described himself? In 1812 he would have been in his early thirties- how long would he have trained for the job? Would he have been likely to have lived "on site" in attached premises or at some distance ? How many people would be employed in such an enterprise on an ongoing basis? What others besides the Grinder and Flour Dresser? Any thoughts or direction to helpful resources would be appreciated Lorraine ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/11/2008 12:04:28
    1. [IoW] IoW snippets
    2. Thank you Angela for supplying us with fascinating insite into our forefathers misdemeanours, I was pleased to see one of my relations mentioned George Grapes Charged with drunk and disorderly and assaulting police, he was 55 years old at the time so he could not blame it on youthful exuberance. Thanks Andy Grapes

    05/11/2008 09:24:55
    1. [IoW] snippets 1851 & 1859
    2. Peter & Angela McMurtry
    3. 16 Aug 1851 INQUEST Charles TUTTON age 37, who had been an inmate of the Carisbrooke Lunatic Asylum , died 'Apoplexy' verdict ' Visitation of God' Charles BALL, fined for stealing apples from James DUNFORDS garden , at Three Gates, near Cowes, fined 9d in value and 7s 6d in costs or 10 days in prison W ADAMS , drunk and disorderly fined 5s and 3s 6d in costs James DENNES, assault on James OSBORNE fined 7s and 5s costs or 14 days in prison John DOVE (Jr) and Elizabeth RUMBLE, for assault and obstructing PC STUBBS in the execution of his duty. DOVE fined 30s and 5s costs and RUMBLE fined 10s and 3s in costs. DOVE was ill using the woman and when the Policeman came for her protection both joined in assaulting him. Fine was paid A novel species of amusement was provided for visitors today ( after a yacht race) . A pig was fastened up in a barrel, which was lashed at the end of a pole projecting from the pier in to the sea, the surface of the pole being thickly greased, and whoever could walk along the top, and liberate the pig, was entitled to receive same. After numerous attempt were made and several dunkings a boy named SHIRLEY was declared winner. 16 April 1859 Daniel BRADING of Wootton , common labourer , charged with being found in the office of George King Whitmarsh, relieving officer, in the dead of the night for an unlawful purpose. Committed for a month James BOYCE, John BOYCE, Charles NORRIS, George RASHLEY, Samson MAINWORTH, George POPE and George GRAPES , charged with drunk and disorderly and assaulting police. James BOYCE, George POPE fined 5s and 5 s in costs. John BOYCE, George RASHLEY, George GRAPES, Samson MAINWORTH fined 1/ 15s and 5s in costs and Charles NORRIS 15s and 5s costs. Susan CATWAY, drunk and disorderly 5s

    05/10/2008 11:48:32
    1. [IoW] snippets May 1840 & May 1846
    2. Peter & Angela McMurtry
    3. 16 May 1840 Andrew DAISH and George SNELGROVE, drunk and disorderly and creating a disturbance on the High St, 5s and latter fined 2s Since the SW Railway was opened, on the last, between London and Southampton, visitors have been flocking into the Island. Ventnor is still a great resort for invalids Saturday last Mr Charles NEWNHAM, with his wife and her father, were coming from Niton to Newport, his horse took fright at Blackwater and ran away and overturned his cart. Mr NEWNHAM much bruised was taken to the Bugle Inn and put to bed, medical aid promptly afforded, and he is now much better Islanders to be on the guard against two impostors who have been during the last week in the Isle of Wight. A man and a woman representing themselves as brother and sister, and stating they are deaf and dumb ( by writing same on a slate) are soliciting funds for the Humane Society --------------- 16 May 1846 Inquest at Newport James JACKSON, taken ill whilst walking on the beach and died before medical aid could be procured. Verdict ' visitation of God' Elizabeth WHITE fined 7s and 6d costs for assaulting Elizabeth FLEMING Edward NORIS, landlord at Bugle Inn fined 50s and 7s 6d in costs - open for entertainment of company during the time of divine service Fatal Accident Mr Jacob LONG (Jr) , a pilot boarded an American brig coming in through the needles passage, and after getting aboard , left his partner named Andrew PORTER an old man of 70 years of age in the boat, to be towed astern, shortly after the boat filled, and turned over and the poor old man drowned before assistance could be rendered

    05/10/2008 11:37:34