Anyone interested in learning more about the Amazon and her destruction can read it at: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/RMS_Amazon Jon Baker -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ann Ryder Sent: 27 May 2008 15:31 To: [email protected] Subject: [IoW] Have you missing seamen, No1 I have found several lengthy newspaper reports of "Destruction of The Amazon, A Frightful Loss Of Life" there was a devastating fire on board & then an explosion not long after she left Southampton, The ship departed port Friday, January 2, 1852.

Good evening all I've subscribed to the list in the hope that someone with some nautical knowledge might be able to help. I'm seeking information about a vessel called "Sappho". My distant relative William JACOBS and his son Ernest were aboard the Sappho in 1871 as follows: 1871 Census: Vessel "Sappho" on the River Brent, New Brentford, Middlesex (RG10; Piece: 1319; Folio: 151; Page: 20) William JACOBS Head Marr 33 Captain b: Bembridge, Hants Ernest JACOBS Mate 12 Mate b: St Helens, Hants I am interested to know if this vessel was the yacht/schooner which raced in the America's Cup in 1871. There are various sites dotted around the internet which show that she sailed to and from the US quite a few times. She was built in New York in 1867, came to Cowes in 1868. She took part in a race around the IOW, and returned to the US having been unable to find a buyer. At the end of 1869, Sappho returned to the UK in record time (a record which would stand until 1905). In May 1870, she won all her races against "Cambria" in England. Saphho took part in the America's Cup in October 1871 beating "Livonia" twice. In 1872 she returned to the UK for another race in the English Channel. In 1876 she was sold to Prince Sciarra de Colonia of Naples, and was used in regattas on the French Riviera. She changed hands once more, and she was scrapped in Cowes in 1887. Where can I find out if the "Sappho" which Captain Jacobs was aboard in 1871 was the same as the "Sappho" which took part in the America's Cup? Any pointers greatly appreciated. Many Thanks Alison Hargreaves, Swindon, UK

Hi Ann, Many thanks indeed. That postively confirms that it's the right chap. Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: Ann Ryder [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 27 May 2008 11:37 To: Mike Gould; [email protected] Subject: Re: [IoW] Robert PEGG death registered in June qtr 1867 death, on 21 June1867at Ryde IOW age 67 Robert Pegg Esq, Justice of the of Peace for the borough of Derby. Best wishes Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gould" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 9:33 PM Subject: [IoW] Robert PEGG death registered in June qtr 1867 > Hi All, > > I'm researching Robert Pegg, born 1801 in Melbourne, Derbyshire. He was a > mayor of Derby and an industrialist. He died between the 1861 and 1871 > censuses and I suspect that the death registration in the Isle of Wight in > the June quarter of 1867 was of him. The age is correct. Can anyone > confirm this for me ? > > Best wishes, > > Mike Gould > Leicestershire > > > ************************************** > You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

John Fowler, 38, fireman Old Ford, (London) ditto, George Harding, 26, fireman, Crayford, (Kent) ditto, Nathan Wigley, 32, fireman, Paul’s-crey, (Paul Craig) ditto, Charles Thorne, 35, A,B, Southampton, saved, Thomas Attwood,30,fireman, at sea, missing, Peter M’Kirdy, 33, fireman, Rothsea, ditto, John Richards, 29, fireman, Millbrooke, ditto, Robert Furl, 36, fireman, Portsea, ditto, William Pain, (Payne,38) 28, fireman, Southampton, ditto, William ( John )Watts, 23, fireman Southampton, ditto, William Scott, 29, fireman, Harwich, ditto, William J ( S) Lane, 31, fireman, Lymington, (Southampton) ditto, Henry Day, 22, fireman, Walton, ditto, George Tucker, 21,coal-trimmer,Walton, ditto, William (W ) Jarman ,32, ( 30), coal-trimmer, Portsea, ditto William (W) Goodman 32, coal-trimmer, London, ditto Charles Dendney, 25, cola-trimmer, Hastings, ditto, William (W ) Lucas, 20, coal-trimmer, Dorset (Dorsetshire) ditto, Henry Carter,21, coal-trimmer, Southampton, ditto, Abraham Bundy, 33, coal-trimmer, Leap, ditto, William (W) Wall, 25, coal trimmer, Wickham, ditto, John Potter, 23, coal-trimmer, Wyile, ditto, Samuel Lees, 25 ( 35), coal-trimmer, Wolverhampton, ditto, George King, A,B, 31, Southampton. saved, George (Thomas) Forder, 32 coal-trimmer, Sutton, missing, Angus M‘Ennis, 27 lamp-trimmer, Fort William, ditto, William (W) Norris, 18, engineers servant, Southampton, ditto, Michael Gould, 41, head-waiter, Kingeeld, (Kingsland), ditto, W.G Lambert, 24, waiter, Chatham, (Chatbam), ditto, William (W) adams,21, waiter, Shirley ditto, John Bouce (Bance), 21, (20),waiter, Southampton;, ditto, John Blake,38, bedroom steward, Hopton, ditto, Thomas Philpots, (Phillpott), 34, foreroom steward, Ramsgate, ditto, Debrury Theophill, (Robert Daniel) 23, saloon cook, France, ditto, Charles Mills, 25, second cook, and scullion, Hurley, ditto John (Joseph) Kirby, 36, baker, Southampton, ditto, James Watson, (John Walton), 22, boots, Southampton, ditto, Charles (James )E. Stroud, 26, butcher and stock-keeper, Thatcham, ditto, Frederick Fulkner, 33, store-keeper, London, (Middlesex) ditto, Edward (E) Scott, 44, stewardess, Banff ditto, George Jerrin, ( Gerrin) 17, boy, Hitchin, (Helin), ditto, James brown, 18, able seaman, Hants, ditto, Best wishes Ann

I have found several lengthy newspaper reports of “Destruction of The Amazon, A Frightful Loss Of Life” there was a devastating fire on board & then an explosion not long after she left Southampton, The ship departed port Friday, January 2, 1852. I found this list of missing seamen from, Daily News Thursday, January 8, 1852, There list of missing seamen from other ships that were sunk, but this list gave the home towns of the men, I have copied all men lost or missing not just from the IOW & Hampshire,Where names are in brackets this is from other list. There were passengers but there were listed only from Country. William Symons, commander; missing Henry Roberts, 31, chief office, Gosport, ditto Charles Treeweeks, 29, second officer, Silogan, ditto John Lewis, 28, third officer, Kingston Jamaica,, ditto George Goodridge, 21, fourth officer, Paignton, ditto (Dando) James. W Fullerton, 37 Surgeon, County of Donegal, ditto ( John) M H Strutt, 33, purser, Middlesex (London), ditto Thomas W (Walter) Shapcott, 28, purser’ assistant, Southampton, ditto. William Vincent, of Falmouth, midshipman, saved Francis Stainforth, 16, midshipman, East Indies; missing William K(R) Stuart, 15 Midshipman, Tally Hog ( Tallyhon), ditto David Davis, 40, boatswain, Cardigan, ditto James Murchis, 34, carpenter, Ayr, ditto James Bryant, 26, carpenters mate and joiner, Downton, Wilts, ditto Joseph Kay, 41, master -at-arms, Bolton, ditto George Deal 26,quatermaster, Bridport, saved Alexander King 33, quartermaster, Stromnese, missing William Martin, 33, quartermaster, Fareham, ditto John Dunford, 26,A,B, Abbotsbury, saved Richard (Charles) Carter, 20, A,B., Poplar, missing Peter (John) Kelly, 19, A.B., Aberdeen, ditto John H Passmore 20, A,B, Southampton, saved Daniel Brown, 27, A.B., Yarmouth, ditto, George Webb, 34, A.B., Southampton;, ditto Samuel Perry, 20, A.B., Harton, ditto Henry Wright, 28, A.B., Gosport, ditto Joseph Drummer, A,B, Gosport, saved John (Mike) M. W. Rogers, 28, A.B., London, ditto, Joseph Welsman, 20, A.B., Devonport, ditto, William Foy, 21, A.B., Althorpe, ditto, John Auring,21, Hamburg, A,B, saved, Thomas Hart, 33, A.B., (Oare) Kent, ditto, Thomas Carney,48, Newhaven A,B, saved, Thomas Berryman,36, A,B, Devonport, missing , James Mayline,36,A,B, Wisbeach, ditto, Samuel (Squire) Glen, 34, A.B., Greenock; ditto M Steery 35,Gosport,A,B, saved , John Clark, 39, A.B., Burnham; missing James Mowatt,35, A,B, Stromness, A,B, saved William Stevenson, 23, A.B., Ayr; missing William Farstsn, 38, A,B, London saved James Dove, 36, A.B., Isle of Wight; missing George Holnh, 29, Ships cook, ( A,B,) Mile-end, ditto John Poeae, (Forse) 36, A,B, Exeter, missing Edward (Richard) Harris, 16, (A,B,) dispensary boy, Isle of Wight, ditto William Fox, 17, (A, B,) boy, Falmouth, ditto Daniel Trimmings, 18 , ( A,B,) boy, (Koyel) Southampton, ditto F. S. Wall, 15, boy (A,B ) Southampton, ditto , Charles Leddra, 17, (A,B, )boy, St Ives, missing George Angus, 34, chief engineer, Dunbar, ditto William Angus, 34, second engineer, Dunbar, ditto William Bastin, 34, third engineer. Alphington, ditto William Stone 37, fourth engineer, Ludgoen; saved Andrew Ferguson, 22,(25), fifth engineer, Greenoek, missing Frederick Davey, 26, sixth engineer, Exeter, ditto Isaac Roberts, 26, (36), boiler- maker, Holyhead, ditto John Lamont,22 fireman, Jersey; ditto , William Nutburn, 32, A,B, Exburg, saved Charles Flemington, 29, Fireman, Morton, missing James White,29,A,B,Brading, saved, George Reeves, 22, fireman, Alverstoke, missing, Charles Lang, 44, fireman, Blarney, ditto, John Shearing,36, A,B, Milton, saved, Michael Fox, 36, fireman, Meach, missing , Best wishes Ann

death, on 21 June1867at Ryde IOW age 67 Robert Pegg Esq, Justice of the of Peace for the borough of Derby. Best wishes Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gould" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 9:33 PM Subject: [IoW] Robert PEGG death registered in June qtr 1867 > Hi All, > > I'm researching Robert Pegg, born 1801 in Melbourne, Derbyshire. He was a > mayor of Derby and an industrialist. He died between the 1861 and 1871 > censuses and I suspect that the death registration in the Isle of Wight in > the June quarter of 1867 was of him. The age is correct. Can anyone > confirm this for me ? > > Best wishes, > > Mike Gould > Leicestershire > > > ************************************** > You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks Sandra, Wonder if the name would have been included in the burial registers?? Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <[email protected]> To: "Carole Cumber" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [IoW] Burial practises. > Hi Carole, > A suicide could not be buried in consecrated ground. However, churchyards > usually had some unconsecrated ground on the north side of the church > where suicides, unchristened, could be buried. > Sandra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carole Cumber" <[email protected]> > To: "Isle of Wight" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 8:07 PM > Subject: [IoW] Burial practises. > > >> >> I have found a death that was ruled a suicide and wonder if the deceased >> person would have had a christian burial in a churchyard, the year was >> 1889. >> I have read that suicides were not allowed a proper burial, would this >> practice have been in effect on the IOW also??? >> >> Carole. >> >> >> ************************************** >> You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: >> [email protected] >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1466 - Release Date: > 25/05/2008 18:49 > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1468 - Release > Date: 5/26/2008 3:23 PM > >

If you look under local books from IOWFHS < http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/index.htm > The Story of the Royal National Hospital Ventnor by E F Laidlaw A thoroughly detailed account of the RNH from its foundation by Arthur Hassall in 1868 to closure in 1964. Includes topics such as buildings, management & accounts, staff, patient care & treatment, TB and NHS. Many names referenced including architects, builders, suppliers, staff, visitors and patrons. Illustrated with several b&w photos of the buildings and groups of staff and patients. Comprehensive 7 page index including names of people mentioned. A5 paperback of 133 pages. The Story of the Royal National Hospital, Ventnor (Laidlaw) Ref: IOW-LB13 Weight 100 grammes.Postal Type 2 £6.50 Botanical Gardens <http://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/england/isleofwight/islewight3.html . Best wishes Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <[email protected]> To: "Margaret Young" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [IoW] TB Sanatorium > Yes, it was at Ventnor. I think its where the Botanical Gardens now are. > The Isle of Wight was thought to be beneficial for TB sufferers. You > will find it listed here: > http://www.institutions.org.uk/hospitals/info/sanatoriums.htm > > > Janet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret Young" <[email protected]> > > : Hello, > : > : Can anyone help please. Was there a TB Sanatorium on the Isle of Wight > in 1892. > : > : Regards Margaret > : > > > > ************************************** > You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Margaret, The "National Cottage Hospital for Consumption and the Diseases of the Chest", finally the "Royal National Hospital for Diseases of the Chest", opened in 1867 and closed in 1964. The main buildings were demolished and the site was made into the Ventnor Botanic Gardens, incorporating some of the remaining ancillary buildings. My father was an accounts clerk there between 1936 and 1940, when he was called up for war service. He was unable to return to the job when he was demobilised in January 1946 and left the Island. After he retired, he and my mother lived in Ventnor from 1985 to 1993 and one of their daily walks took them through the Gardens where he would pick out the distribution of the site he remembered. There is a book: "The Story of the Royal National Hospital Ventnor", 1990, written and published by E F Laidlaw, a resident surgeon during the 1940s, but I do not know whether it is still available. I have a copy if you would like me to search for any references. Steve Baxter -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janet Sent: 26 May 2008 22:23 To: Margaret Young; [email protected] Subject: Re: [IoW] TB Sanatorium Yes, it was at Ventnor. I think its where the Botanical Gardens now are. The Isle of Wight was thought to be beneficial for TB sufferers. You will find it listed here: http://www.institutions.org.uk/hospitals/info/sanatoriums.htm Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Young" <[email protected]> : Hello, : : Can anyone help please. Was there a TB Sanatorium on the Isle of Wight in 1892. : : Regards Margaret : ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, it was at Ventnor. I think its where the Botanical Gardens now are. The Isle of Wight was thought to be beneficial for TB sufferers. You will find it listed here: http://www.institutions.org.uk/hospitals/info/sanatoriums.htm Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Young" <[email protected]> : Hello, : : Can anyone help please. Was there a TB Sanatorium on the Isle of Wight in 1892. : : Regards Margaret :

Hi All, I'm researching Robert Pegg, born 1801 in Melbourne, Derbyshire. He was a mayor of Derby and an industrialist. He died between the 1861 and 1871 censuses and I suspect that the death registration in the Isle of Wight in the June quarter of 1867 was of him. The age is correct. Can anyone confirm this for me ? Best wishes, Mike Gould Leicestershire

Hi Angela, I have an Elsie GREGORY who married Walter Samuel BRADING (b1895). Regards Becky Quoting Paul Mason <[email protected]>: > Hello, > Is anyone tracing the name of GREGORY. > I have this name in my tree and I would like to share the > information I have with anyone else interested. > Regards > Angela > > ************************************** > You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, Can anyone help please. Was there a TB Sanatorium on the Isle of Wight in 1892. Regards Margaret

Could anyone help us out with a list of the Enumeration Districts for the IOW in the 1841 Census. We're busily collating all of the 1841 Hollises and have completed Northwood (Lynn's point of origin so to speak)? It would save us a lot of time hacking through all of the Hampshire Districts if anyone had a ready made list. We know some of the more obvious ones but would hate to miss any out. Many thanks. Lynn & Steve

Thanks Kate & John for the link. I also noticed a "second" name for Katri on that birth info for Eddie. That's another story - and another country (Finland). I will continue to search for the "Joanna Barton" connection as well, to see if there are any memories stashed away (re: our stay at Pan Farm). Again, thanks for your help. I can always count on the folks in the IOW group to come through with ideas! Estelle in the cold, wet part of Ontario

Hi Bob, I found a news item that Mr Joseph Parker MEW was the Mayor of Newport in 1889 would he be related to your MEW family?? Carole in Canada

I have found a death that was ruled a suicide and wonder if the deceased person would have had a christian burial in a churchyard, the year was 1889. I have read that suicides were not allowed a proper burial, would this practice have been in effect on the IOW also??? Carole.

Hello Angela, is your interest limited to the Isle of Wight Gregorys? I have some in Exeter, Devon and Paulton, Somerset. Regards, Anne Vinnicombe ======================================== Message Received: May 26 2008, 12:08 PM From: "Paul Mason" To: "FHS, massages" Cc: Subject: [IoW] GREGORY Hello, Is anyone tracing the name of GREGORY. I have this name in my tree and I would like to share the information I have with anyone else interested. Regards Angela ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HO107/1943 Walcot St.Swithins, Som. CENSUS 1 Page 2 Royal Circus Richard Wilson BROWN, 57, Magistrate/Working Surgeon, b. Newport, I.o.W. Sarah, 55, b. Duns------ Beds. (?Dunstable) Robert Wanzier, svt, 33, House Servant, b. Jamaica Mary Gazzard, svt, 34 do b. North Nibley Ann Mead, 25, do b. Warminster, Wilts.

Hello, Is anyone tracing the name of GREGORY. I have this name in my tree and I would like to share the information I have with anyone else interested. Regards Angela