Hi I have received emails from you Alandra and have replied. You're getting through to me but I am not getting through to you it seems. Can you check your junk mailbox? Not sure what the problem is, sorry. P

Sep 1866 Emily KENT and Elizabeth LACEY, 2 incorrigible young women , charged with breaking the panes of several windows in the IOW Union reception rooms. 2 months in prison Henry SIMMONS of Yarmouth, weights and scales offence , fined 1/ 7s Samuel BURT, mariner of Brading , fined for poaching 5s and 7s 6d costs Henry JACOBS and Mark GOUGH - drunk and disorderly on Sat night. Fined 5s and 5s in costs and one week to pay or 7 days in prison William JACKSON, drunk and disorderly - discharged with admonition George GUY , charged with felony , son of Mrs FRY of 'Bee Hive Tavern', theft from taproom of half a crown and 2 florins, committed to next session Fatal Accident - Henry BARNES age 23, carter, killed by a large stone which fell on him crushing his head in a dreadful manner causing instant death 1874 Selina SAMWAYS , an old offender , who was lately released from prison, charged with behaving and making use of profane language when bathing in the river Medina yesterday - 28 days confinement with hard labour Ann BELL , assault on Louisa SEAL , fined 5s and 5s costs James GEORGE, fisherman , fined 5s and 5s costs, for indecent assault and for being drunk and disorderly Charlotte ENSELL, assault on Ann GILES whilst they were both drinking in the Prince of Wales.Fined 10s and 5s costs, but in default was sent to Winchester for 14 days. Elizabeth WADHAM - theft of a blanket from Ann GILES , 14 days confinement Two waterman of Sandown , Henry BROWN and Silas KEMP charged with stealing a barrel, flag and flagstaff belonging to Captain PITMAN of the 10th Foot Regiment, committed to trial Albert REEVES , Charles HARRIS & Thomas HUNT all aged about 14, charged with entering a garden belonging to Mr Marvin and stealing peaches. Fined 10s and costs and in default 14 days confinement ORDER OF ST STANISLAS Mr John Samuel WHITE, the well known yacht and steam launch builder, of this port, has just had conferred on him by the Emperor of Russia the Order of a Knight of the civil degree of St Stanislas in recognition of his invaluable services in building several steam boats and vessels for members of the Imperial family as well as Navy and Customs depots of the Empire. Angela Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig. All mail scanned with AVAST 2008 No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced

After a lull I'm back :-) 1871 George COOPER, general dealer , driving rapidly down St Johns Rd Newport when his horse took fright and he was thrown, his head hitting a wall. Expected to recover - suffered fractured skull --------------------------- (can anyone claim Charlotte and husband ? She sounds like she was demented) Charlotte BRADING - charged with stabbing her husband Barnabas BRADING, labourer of Little London, Newport ' ........... on my sitting down in the chair she took up the poker, swore she would beat my brains out with it, but I fended off the blow. On raising my head from unlacing my boots, she thrust the poker in to my mouth and forced it against my throat. I haven't been able to swallow solids since. I did not lift a finger to my wife, but took the poker from her and placed it under the grate. She next lifted a knife from the table and struck at my left breast, warding off the blow my arm was cut in two places. After I went to bed the prisoner came upstairs, took the bed clothes off me, and carried them off. Next morning I went to work but was unable to continue , as my arm began to bleed. I went to see the Dr. On returning home she struck me on the head with a chisel and then with a heavy stick, it cut my head causing it to bleed'. Dr Williams witnessed the injuries inflicted and Mrs Riding , a neighbour and PC GREEN gave corroborative evidence. Prisoner denied the charge. Frank BRADING (16) mariner, in his evidence, contradicted not only all the other witnesses but his mothers statement, which drew down upon him the animadversion of the justices. The second son (15) was so exceedingly ignorant as to not understand the nature of an oath, and consequently he was not allowed to give evidence. Charlotte remanded to the next quarter sessions. ----------------------------------------- Alfred HOLLIS- manslaughter charge victim Eli PARSON, committed to trial at Winchester ----------------------------------------- Thomas ARNOLD ( another wacko story :-) ) , occupation Hawker charged with assaulting his wife and threatening to 'beat her brains out'. He was accused of hitting her over the head with a long handled stick and with stabbing her eyes and the back of her head. ' ........my husband has charged me with infidelity, and with having received soldiers in to the house in his absence. A soldier was dragged out from under my bed on Wed last and a soldier did run in to my house on the Tue to give me money to buy bread for my children, as he heard I had been wounded by my husband' Dr : ' It was not a stab it was a rugged cut made by a blunt instrument or fall ' Mary Ann GAGE & Henry OSBORNE witnessed the assault. PC Jacobs testified that he had seen Mrs ARNOLD drunk and soldiers going in and out of her husbands house in the absence of her husband Thomas fined 20s and 7s 6d in costs to keep the peace for 6 months. Allowed 14 days to pay or 1 month in prison -------------------------------------- James BARNES , Butcher of Pyle St, remanded from Monday last, was again charged with indecent assault upon Ellen KING age 14. Mrs Jane URRY 'aunt of the complainant' was one of the people examined by the justices. (appears to have been his word against Elle Kings) James Barnes dismissed due to lack of evidence ------------------------------ Angela Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig. All mail scanned with AVAST 2008 No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced

I have seen Prisoners recorded in the 1851 census for Devon and Norfolk. I have recorded some of them in my website, but only those who were of the 'smith' trade. Regards Ann Spiro Perth, Western Australia [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blacksmiths or http://tinyurl.com/4x6l7a ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ The gene pool could use a little chlorine(Author Unknown) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ rom the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hello Angela and David "I have a mystery in my WRIGHT/WHEELER tree.There is a child born 1865 called Alfred George WHEELER/FLUX I think his Mother was a Jane WRIGHT nee Jane WHEELER.Has anyone any info on this child?" "From the IOW BDMs online, I find:Alfred George FLUX, b. 1867 at Cowes, son of Ann COSH & George FLUX who m. 1863 at St. Mildred's, Whippingham. There is no Alfred WHEELER born at that time, so I reckon this must be him David in Ballarat" What about the Alfred George WRIGHT born 1865 with the surname WHEELER/FLUX, there is a marriage for a James WRIGHT to a Jane FLUX in 1847 at St George Arreton, and there looks to be several WRIGHT/FLUX CHILDREN. Regards Andrea. _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on eBay today! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000004ukm/direct/01/

>Angela, >I have a mystery in my WRIGHT/WHEELER tree. >There is a child born 1865 called Alfred George WHEELER/FLUX I >think his Mother was a Jane WRIGHT nee Jane WHEELER. >Has anyone any info on this child? From the IOW BDMs online, I find: Alfred George FLUX, b. 1867 at Cowes, son of Ann COSH & George FLUX who m. 1863 at St. Mildred's, Whippingham. There is no Alfred WHEELER born at that time, so I reckon this must be him David in Ballarat

Prison censuses were taken in the usual way and the returns were usually found in the enumerators books towards the end under "Institutions". However on ancestry and other similar internet resources, a search for the name will usually find the person. However, the Heads of all large institutions (prisons, hospitals workhouses and the like)were permitted to record inmates by their initials only as a privilege to save the Head time - otherwise the task of recording a couple of thousand names would take forever! Not all did this and in some cases, actual names are shown. Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kate Sent: 13 June 2008 02:39 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IoW] Prisoners on Census I wonder can anyone tell me if there is a certain place that records prisoners at certain jails on census returns? Also the recording of deaths in prison, is there somewhere the names of ordinary prisoners can be found against those hanged? Any help appreciated. Kate ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For that little bit of extra to add to your family album why not copy the history and a photo from my website, which shows the villages of Hampshire, Dorset and the Isle of Wight This is not a commercial website but has been done to give you all an insight of what the villages are like. There are also Parish Church histories as well as nostalgic photos, subscribers memories of WWII as well as their old treasured photos. Chris SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) History of the villages of Hampshire, Dorset and the Isle of Wight http://southernlife.org.uk .

That's a good question and it would make for a lot of interest I would think. I've come across lists when accessing Ancestry & FreeCEN but that's when looking for a single family name. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "kate" <[email protected]> :I wonder can anyone tell me if there is a certain place that records : prisoners at certain jails on census returns? Also the recording of : deaths in prison, is there somewhere the names of ordinary prisoners : can be found against those hanged? : : Any help appreciated. : : Kate

I wonder can anyone tell me if there is a certain place that records prisoners at certain jails on census returns? Also the recording of deaths in prison, is there somewhere the names of ordinary prisoners can be found against those hanged? Any help appreciated. Kate

Hello I have a mystery in my WRIGHT/WHEELER tree. There is a child born 1865 called Alfred George WHEELER/FLUX I think his Mother was a Jane WRIGHT nee Jane WHEELER. Has anyone any info on this child? Regards Angela

I found this. Index of prisoners in Ilchester Gaol index from Somerset Record office PRISONERS BORN AT Isle of Wight Forenames Date Age Where Born Trade Last Abode Ref Code See also Notes McGregor John ......1/10/1840.. ..32 .. Isle of Wight .... Southampton Q/AGi 15/4 Stephens Maria ......18/10/1834.. .31.. Isle of Wight.... Bath Q/AGi 15/3 Stevens Charles..... 20/8/1830 ....21.. Isle of Wight... Burslington Q/AGi 15/3 Taylor John...... ....21/11/1839 ..25.. Isle of Wight... . Crewkern + Yeovil Q/AGi 15/4 Ann

Hello Angela, no but there are trade directories online. They can be found at http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/ I have looked at a Hampshire directory for 1850. Regards, Anne Vinnicombe ======================================== Message Received: Jun 12 2008, 05:54 PM From: "Paul Mason" To: "FHS, massages" Cc: Subject: [IoW] Trade Directories Hello, Does anyone know when the first Trade Directory was published. I am particularly interested in Ryde and any Tailors that may have been trading in and around 1871. Regards Angela ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul Kelly's Post Office Directory for 1867 for Hampshire. In Ryde there are the following Taylors listed in the commercial section. Elizabeth Taylor Mrs. lodging house 24 Strand James Taylor The Sun 98 High Street James Taylor Victoria & licensed to let post horses 98 Monkton Street Richard Taylor pharmaceutical checmist Pier Street William Taylor brickmaker Upton I hope this is helpful. Gill -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1498 - Release Date: 11/06/2008 19:13

Hello, Does anyone know when the first Trade Directory was published. I am particularly interested in Ryde and any Tailors that may have been trading in and around 1871. Regards Angela

Hello Judi, I suppose that this is really off topic: surely, Family History keeps you busy? Regards, Anne Vinnicombe ======================================== Message Received: Jun 12 2008, 08:52 AM From: "Judi McRae" To: [email protected] Cc: Subject: Re: [IoW] (IOW) Shoemakers I would think that normally a shoemaker wouldn't be that wealthy but the thought that occurred to me is that it might be possible that he was making shoes just to keep himself buzy. It is quite possible for example that he had originally inherited the money and having enough to live on wasn't making his living only by making shoes. I thought of this because I am in a similiar situation. I have more than enough money to live on from an inheritence that my father left me however being idle drives me crazy so I sell Avon and have a hypnotherapy business just so I will have something to do to keep me buzy and to keep me out amongst others. Just a thought Judi in the Pacific NW area of the USA researching Wallbridge > SHOEMAKERS (Peter & Angela McMurtry) > This isn't related to the IOW but I am hoping someone can help me. > > One of my ancestors in Norfolk died in 1630 leaving a will > , he left 5 blocks of houses in Great Yarmouth to his > children and 7 different people got 40 shillings as did > the local hospital , the poor of the parish and the local > church. Now a cousin of mine thinks he may have been a > shoemaker, I have never come across a shoemaker that > wealthy .. so yes or no ? Could it be done then ? > Angela in OZ > > ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One or two of mine were Shoemakers in Scotland and reading what you have written has made me wonder if there was more of a need according to where people lived and of their occupation. I also have Master Hairdressers (Male) in my tree, and I wondered similarly until someone reminded me that the fashion was also in wigs. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judi McRae" <[email protected]> : : I would think that normally a shoemaker wouldn't be that wealthy but the thought that occurred to me is that it might be possible that he was making shoes just to keep himself buzy. It is quite possible for example that he had originally inherited the money and having enough to live on wasn't making his living only by making shoes. : : I thought of this because I am in a similiar situation. I have more than enough money to live on from an inheritence that my father left me however being idle drives me crazy so I sell Avon and have a hypnotherapy business just so I will have something to do to keep me buzy and to keep me out amongst others. : : Just a thought : : : Judi in the Pacific NW area of the USA : researching Wallbridge

I would think that normally a shoemaker wouldn't be that wealthy but the thought that occurred to me is that it might be possible that he was making shoes just to keep himself buzy. It is quite possible for example that he had originally inherited the money and having enough to live on wasn't making his living only by making shoes. I thought of this because I am in a similiar situation. I have more than enough money to live on from an inheritence that my father left me however being idle drives me crazy so I sell Avon and have a hypnotherapy business just so I will have something to do to keep me buzy and to keep me out amongst others. Just a thought Judi in the Pacific NW area of the USA researching Wallbridge > SHOEMAKERS (Peter & Angela McMurtry) > This isn't related to the IOW but I am hoping someone can help me. > > One of my ancestors in Norfolk died in 1630 leaving a will > , he left 5 blocks of houses in Great Yarmouth to his > children and 7 different people got 40 shillings as did > the local hospital , the poor of the parish and the local > church. Now a cousin of mine thinks he may have been a > shoemaker, I have never come across a shoemaker that > wealthy .. so yes or no ? Could it be done then ? > Angela in OZ > >

Hi P, and other listers (no that last one you sent me didn't work either). am wondering if anyone else is having problems reaching Auntie P privately? Have tried several times to contact her privately, but my emails are returned. thanks. Alandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Auntie P" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: [IoW] Pyle Street and more ... > Just wanted to say a big thank you to everyone who has contacted me with > information on Pyle Street, Newport. Most helpful. I'm sure I'll be > asking more questions as my research continues. > > I thought that, as I am so often out and about with my camera, maybe I > could offer to take photographs of any buildings relevant to the > research of those of you who are not on or near the Isle of Wight. > Newport is the easiest for me but I would be happy to venture further > (as I often do) - but you might have to wait a little longer for those > photos. > > If you think I can help, just mail me. :-) > > P > > ************************************** > You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message