Hello Pamela, according to the recent Osborne House guide Osborn in August 1774 had plans for alterations by the then owner Robert Pope Blachford (1742-1790), if you look on the A2A and type in ROBERT POPE BLACHFORD there is quite a bit on him to help you further. http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp Also in the book East Cowes and Whippingham 1303-1914 by Rosetta Brading the author writes that in 1640 "Eustace Mann captain of the East Medina boats ,upon firing of the beacons he to cause boats of the East Medina to repair to Hurst Castle for the transport of troops from the mainland." "In 1642 Capt Eustace Mann was paying tax for property in Whippingham." "In 1647 Eustace Mann merchant of Austborne (Osborne)" "In 1650 Marriage settlement Eustace Mann of Osborne and wife Christian -farm at Osborne, two messuages and 480 acres of land." "In 1653 Eustace Mann-will proved by son Eustace" "1664 Hearth Tax introduced,Mr Eustace Mann paying for 7 hearths at Osborne" "1665 Eustace Mann paying for hearths at Osborne" "1672 Eustace Mann of Whippingham died Merston buried Whippingham" "1673 Capt Mann now John Brigg paying hearth tax for 8 hearths at Osborne" "1674 John Brigg still paying for 8 hearth tax at Osborne" hope you find this useful regards Andrea. _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/

Hi Jon, Just to let you know I have found some more reports, Susan did not go to trial, "Susan Wilday bill ignored ", March 9, 1861 And in another report February 8, 1871"Henry Lacy a farmer residing at Old House Farm, (well done Jon) he came in to "a considerable sum money when he married, he is the son of a labouring man in the neighbourhood" (Thomas Lacey age 80 Farmer Retired), Henry LACEY married Jane TEMPLE 14 JUL 1841 All Saints, Birmingham, Warwick, Susanna WILDAY was born 25 FEB 1817 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, daughter of Frederick WILDAY & Mary TEMPLE In another case Henry was a witness for Thomas Lacy (his brother? Who had a daughter in -law Elizabeth Lacy) accused of stealing mangel wurzel, (root vegetable) Henry said "I am a carrier & rent several fields...... the chairman asked have you been convicted? - no answer. - Mr Seely: Have you been convicted of manslaughter?-no answer- Mr Seely: Were you not convicted of manslaughter of your wife?-"witness: I have served my time. I have not come here for that. I was convicted & served five or six years in prison. Jon sent me this, Free BMD Marriages Jun 1866: Lacy Henry Birmingham. Wilday Susan Birmingham So it looks like that Susan Wilday returned home, & when Henry came out of prison they married & went back to the IOW. IOW death index, LACY Henry 1876 66 Ryde. Thank you Angela I don't think it was planed it was done in a drunken rage. Best wishes Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Ryder" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [IoW] Jane Lacey murdered near Ryde > Hi Jon, > > Thank you very much for all the interesting info you found, very kind of > you > I couldn't find the farm on my maps either, but there was also a Charlotte > CORNEY who lived near Henry LACEY & William RUSSEL lived 16 yards from > him. > > > The verdict of the trial at Winchester, (in the report I have) Henry LACEY > was found guilty of manslaughter, (he liked a drink & a game of bed > hopping!) he was sentenced to "six years penal servitude", no mention of > any > trial for Susan, I have sent the image to you, makes very fascinating > reading > > Best wishes Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Baker" <[email protected]> > To: "'Ann Ryder'" <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:12 PM > Subject: RE: [IoW] Jane Lacey murdered near Ryde > > >> Hi Ann >> Looking at the 1851 census Henry and Jane Lacey, husband and wife, were >> recorded at "Oldhouse Farm", in the parish of St Helens (Class: HO107; >> Piece: 1664; Folio: 326; Page: 18). Their ages are 42 and 46, which of >> course do not match up with the newspaper reports. Henry was born >> Carisbrooke, Jane in Tamworth, Staffs. >> >> Obviously neither are expected to appear at home in the 1861 census, but >> I >> looked for Oldhouse Farm to try to locate it more accurately. Eventually >> I >> found "Old House" occupied by George & Matilda Brook (RG9; Piece: 658; >> Folio: 147; Page: 12), and the next record is Old House Cottages occupied >> by >> Thomas & Charlotte Lacey. This is somewhere around Westridge House (the >> following record is Magpie Lane if anyone knows where that is/was). I >> would >> guess therefore that it is around what is nowadays Westridge Cross (Ryde >> Airport/Tesco Superstore) area. I can't find a reference to it on an 1866 >> OS >> Map so maybe it was by then not a farm but had been swallowed up by the >> southward expansion of Ryde. >> >> It would seem that Dr Oillard was not very good at aging the deceased, >> since >> she appears to have been actually between 56 and 63 (and not over 70). >> Its >> also not clear whether it was her husband that murdered her or perhaps it >> was her son. Of course it could be that the newspaper reporting in the >> 1860s >> was not very accurate (no different to nowadays). >> >> I can only find one recorded Susan Wilday nationally and Wilhay does not >> appear as a name in any census). She was born in Birmingham about 1820 >> according to the 1851 census, or Wolverhampton in 1818 according to the >> 1861 >> and appears to have married in 1866. Believe it or not one of the 2 >> possible >> spouses in the 1866 marriage is Henry Lacy!!! You don't mention any >> verdicts >> in the newspaper reports, perhaps they were not convicted. By 1871 Henry >> (58) and Susan (46 from Birmingham) were back on the Island at Brading >> Road, >> St Helens (Westridge), his occupation given as farmer out of business >> (Class: RG10; Piece: 1167; Folio: 60; Page: 5). >> >> Looks like some follow up to find the verdict at Winchester would be >> interesting to find out why Henry (or James) and Susan were not >> convicted, >> assuming that to be the case). >> >> Hope this helps. Have fun. >> >> Jon Baker >> >> >> Ann wrote: >> >> Does anyone know where Old Farm is or was? >> >> >> >> > > > > ************************************** > You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi June My only IOW HUNT was Hannah (1805-1841). She married my 4x great uncle Abraham VANNER. Regards Becky Quoting June Dugaro <[email protected]>: > Hello Everyone, > > I am looking for the HUNT family. > Edward HUNT c. 1854 Isle of Wight, Ryde > > Any info would be gratefully received. > Thanks, June > > ************************************** > You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Many thanks for updating me Jon. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Baker" <[email protected]> To: "'Janet'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: RE: [IoW] Mann : Janet : Whilst Prince Albert certainly designed the present day Osborne House in : East Cowes in conjunction with builder Thomas Cubitt, this was not the : original. Victoria and Albert originally purchased the estate and existing : house in 1844 from Isabella Blachford and it was then demolished and rebuilt : between 1845 and 1851. : : Jon Baker :

Janet Whilst Prince Albert certainly designed the present day Osborne House in East Cowes in conjunction with builder Thomas Cubitt, this was not the original. Victoria and Albert originally purchased the estate and existing house in 1844 from Isabella Blachford and it was then demolished and rebuilt between 1845 and 1851. Jon Baker -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janet Sent: 16 June 2008 10:58 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IoW] Mann Osborne House in Cowes was designed by Albert, Queen Victoria's husband and built for Queen Victoria. Where is the Osbourne House to which you refer? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "pamela paterson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:53 AM Subject: [IoW] Mann : Hi all, thank you to the members who gave me information on the Mayors of Newport, and tried to help with my Waterton. : However I am now looking for the Mann family Eustace Mann was the orginal owner of Osbourne House and was inhereted by his granddaughter Elizabeth Mann B 1652 she married a Robert Blachford, if anyone can help with this family or researching the Mann, Blachford names I would be pleased to hear from you. : Pamela Paterson Midcoast NSW Aust. ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pamela, Also try Access to Archives (A2A): http://www.a2a.org.uk/ select 'search these catalogues' if you try 'Blachford' you'll get quite a few hits that may have some usefull information in. Including: Isle of Wight Record Office: Deeds and Documents of Osborne Estate which includes the 1845 documents of the purchase of the Osborne Estate for Queen Victoria as mentioned by Janet. Bob Hills

Pamela, You will find some Wills that are probably of interest to you at the The National Archive (TNA/Kew) website: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.htm Select the Wills section link Before 1858 link Documents online link Select the Advance Search (not the quick search) Put whatever names you are interested in (note use 'Man' not 'Mann') and 'Isle of Wight' as the location, you will find Wills for both MAN and BLACHFORD that appear to be ones you may be interested in (incl Robert Balchford 1720) You can download copies for £3-50 and my experience is that the image quality is very good but it is in Old English so you would need some sort of reference book to decipher some of the characters, the TNA has a section on Old English that may help. Also many IoW documents are held at Hampshire RO (not Newport) and they have a database called CALM: http://calm.hants.gov.uk/DServeA/search.htm that you can use to search, it's not too sophisticated so if you get too many hits try setting the 'And' button on the 'Combine words in fields' and then adding 'isle' to the search list which then ususlly limits the results to IoW. Hope that helps. Bob Hills

Hi all, thank you to the members who gave me information on the Mayors of Newport, and tried to help with my Waterton. However I am now looking for the Mann family Eustace Mann was the orginal owner of Osbourne House and was inhereted by his granddaughter Elizabeth Mann B 1652 she married a Robert Blachford, if anyone can help with this family or researching the Mann, Blachford names I would be pleased to hear from you. Pamela Paterson Midcoast NSW Aust.

Osborne House in Cowes was designed by Albert, Queen Victoria's husband and built for Queen Victoria. Where is the Osbourne House to which you refer? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "pamela paterson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:53 AM Subject: [IoW] Mann : Hi all, thank you to the members who gave me information on the Mayors of Newport, and tried to help with my Waterton. : However I am now looking for the Mann family Eustace Mann was the orginal owner of Osbourne House and was inhereted by his granddaughter Elizabeth Mann B 1652 she married a Robert Blachford, if anyone can help with this family or researching the Mann, Blachford names I would be pleased to hear from you. : Pamela Paterson Midcoast NSW Aust.

Hello Everyone, I am looking for the HUNT family. Edward HUNT c. 1854 Isle of Wight, Ryde Any info would be gratefully received. Thanks, June

Sadly no link to my family, but a lovely puzzle! Going by the IoWFHS database William Gabriel's mother was a LYNE which might connect with somebody on the list. W G and Lilian Sarah must have returned to the island because there's a son, CRITCHELL Peter Lyne, born Newport 1920. No sign of any other children though. There are entries in the Phone directories that look possible... CRITCHELL, William G. All years between 1950 to 1959, 33 Osborne Road, Windsor Kate in Devon, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Auntie P Sent: 15 June 2008 21:14 To: Rootsweb IOW Subject: [IoW] Critchell / Harris I bought an old postcard of St Thomas' Square the other day, which was posted on 20th July 1908 (at 8pm!). It was addressed to W. Gabriel CRITCHELL at Rose Cottage, Calbourne. I found Mr Critchell on the 1891 and 1901 census and he was born around 1889. I'm not sure if the person who wrote this card was his 'girlfriend' at the time, but his army records show that he enlisted in August of the same year, and was later married in 1916 to a Lilian Sarah HARRIS in Putney. You can see the postcard contrasted with a present day view of the square here <http://www.flickr.com/photos/auntiep/2581655918/>, and the back of the postcard with my attempt at a transcript here <http://www.flickr.com/photos/auntiep/2580819561/in/photostream/>. Does anyone have any information on this family? P ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I bought an old postcard of St Thomas' Square the other day, which was posted on 20th July 1908 (at 8pm!). It was addressed to W. Gabriel CRITCHELL at Rose Cottage, Calbourne. I found Mr Critchell on the 1891 and 1901 census and he was born around 1889. I'm not sure if the person who wrote this card was his 'girlfriend' at the time, but his army records show that he enlisted in August of the same year, and was later married in 1916 to a Lilian Sarah HARRIS in Putney. You can see the postcard contrasted with a present day view of the square here <http://www.flickr.com/photos/auntiep/2581655918/>, and the back of the postcard with my attempt at a transcript here <http://www.flickr.com/photos/auntiep/2580819561/in/photostream/>. Does anyone have any information on this family? P

Hi Jon, Thank you very much for all the interesting info you found, very kind of you I couldn't find the farm on my maps either, but there was also a Charlotte CORNEY who lived near Henry LACEY & William RUSSEL lived 16 yards from him. The verdict of the trial at Winchester, (in the report I have) Henry LACEY was found guilty of manslaughter, (he liked a drink & a game of bed hopping!) he was sentenced to "six years penal servitude", no mention of any trial for Susan, I have sent the image to you, makes very fascinating reading Best wishes Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Baker" <[email protected]> To: "'Ann Ryder'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: RE: [IoW] Jane Lacey murdered near Ryde > Hi Ann > Looking at the 1851 census Henry and Jane Lacey, husband and wife, were > recorded at "Oldhouse Farm", in the parish of St Helens (Class: HO107; > Piece: 1664; Folio: 326; Page: 18). Their ages are 42 and 46, which of > course do not match up with the newspaper reports. Henry was born > Carisbrooke, Jane in Tamworth, Staffs. > > Obviously neither are expected to appear at home in the 1861 census, but I > looked for Oldhouse Farm to try to locate it more accurately. Eventually I > found "Old House" occupied by George & Matilda Brook (RG9; Piece: 658; > Folio: 147; Page: 12), and the next record is Old House Cottages occupied > by > Thomas & Charlotte Lacey. This is somewhere around Westridge House (the > following record is Magpie Lane if anyone knows where that is/was). I > would > guess therefore that it is around what is nowadays Westridge Cross (Ryde > Airport/Tesco Superstore) area. I can't find a reference to it on an 1866 > OS > Map so maybe it was by then not a farm but had been swallowed up by the > southward expansion of Ryde. > > It would seem that Dr Oillard was not very good at aging the deceased, > since > she appears to have been actually between 56 and 63 (and not over 70). Its > also not clear whether it was her husband that murdered her or perhaps it > was her son. Of course it could be that the newspaper reporting in the > 1860s > was not very accurate (no different to nowadays). > > I can only find one recorded Susan Wilday nationally and Wilhay does not > appear as a name in any census). She was born in Birmingham about 1820 > according to the 1851 census, or Wolverhampton in 1818 according to the > 1861 > and appears to have married in 1866. Believe it or not one of the 2 > possible > spouses in the 1866 marriage is Henry Lacy!!! You don't mention any > verdicts > in the newspaper reports, perhaps they were not convicted. By 1871 Henry > (58) and Susan (46 from Birmingham) were back on the Island at Brading > Road, > St Helens (Westridge), his occupation given as farmer out of business > (Class: RG10; Piece: 1167; Folio: 60; Page: 5). > > Looks like some follow up to find the verdict at Winchester would be > interesting to find out why Henry (or James) and Susan were not convicted, > assuming that to be the case). > > Hope this helps. Have fun. > > Jon Baker > > > Ann wrote: > > Does anyone know where Old Farm is or was? > > > >

In addition to my Pyle Street project, I am researching my sister-in-law's family tree. I have Herbert C HALL married to Annie SAVAGE in 1913 (presumably on the Isle of Wight). I have not been able to find either of them on the censuses. They had the following children: Arthur HALL Reg HALL Kay HALL Jack HALL Gill HALL Gert HALL Bob HALL Harry E Hall, m. Joyce Eva WHITTINGTON (her father was William WHITTINGTON) Nothing more on any of them apart from the descendants of Harry and Joyce. Joyce's mother was Catherine M COOLEY - I have more on the COOLEY family and will post that seperately. Does anyone recognise this family? P

8 Nov 1845 John WARDER & John LINNINGTON charged for being in pursuit or game. Warder 2 months hard labour, Linnington 1 month hard labour ( the JAMES family seen to crop up all the time !) Eliza JAMES , Jane JAMES (her mother), William EDWARDS & Eliza JACOBS - theft of turnips from a field. Sent to house of correction for 3 weeks. INQUEST - Frances Matilda CARLEY age 10, died after choking on white plums & Isaac NOTTEN the second brother sho was drowned last week by the upsetting of a small bat in the river Medina. FIRE - A small cottage at Carisbrooke said to be set on fire by a cat (!) was burnt to the ground. The property of Mr HALLERT 16 Aug 1856 INQUEST - Emily MEADER, an infant who died from suffocation - accidental death Thomas KITCHER and James ARNOLD for assault on Elizabeth PITMAN and Ann BALL. Assault was of a gross character. For the defence a sister of one of the defendants deposed the complainants gave encouragement by loose conversation and remarks. This was denied by the young women , who are respectable servants to Mr ROACH of Perreton Farm. Convicted and sentenced to one month hard labour. Alfred HOLLIS ( wonder if this is the same man charged with manslaughter in my posting a few days ago) ....... a man of indifferent reputation charged with robbing the yard of Edwin UPWARD . Prisoner stated he only took 2 apples. Mr UPWARD deposed he had lost nearly all his fruit from his garden and also his cucumbers. I month hard labour Angela Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig. All mail scanned with AVAST 2008 No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced

Hi Ann Looking at the 1851 census Henry and Jane Lacey, husband and wife, were recorded at "Oldhouse Farm", in the parish of St Helens (Class: HO107; Piece: 1664; Folio: 326; Page: 18). Their ages are 42 and 46, which of course do not match up with the newspaper reports. Henry was born Carisbrooke, Jane in Tamworth, Staffs. Obviously neither are expected to appear at home in the 1861 census, but I looked for Oldhouse Farm to try to locate it more accurately. Eventually I found "Old House" occupied by George & Matilda Brook (RG9; Piece: 658; Folio: 147; Page: 12), and the next record is Old House Cottages occupied by Thomas & Charlotte Lacey. This is somewhere around Westridge House (the following record is Magpie Lane if anyone knows where that is/was). I would guess therefore that it is around what is nowadays Westridge Cross (Ryde Airport/Tesco Superstore) area. I can't find a reference to it on an 1866 OS Map so maybe it was by then not a farm but had been swallowed up by the southward expansion of Ryde. It would seem that Dr Oillard was not very good at aging the deceased, since she appears to have been actually between 56 and 63 (and not over 70). Its also not clear whether it was her husband that murdered her or perhaps it was her son. Of course it could be that the newspaper reporting in the 1860s was not very accurate (no different to nowadays). I can only find one recorded Susan Wilday nationally and Wilhay does not appear as a name in any census). She was born in Birmingham about 1820 according to the 1851 census, or Wolverhampton in 1818 according to the 1861 and appears to have married in 1866. Believe it or not one of the 2 possible spouses in the 1866 marriage is Henry Lacy!!! You don't mention any verdicts in the newspaper reports, perhaps they were not convicted. By 1871 Henry (58) and Susan (46 from Birmingham) were back on the Island at Brading Road, St Helens (Westridge), his occupation given as farmer out of business (Class: RG10; Piece: 1167; Folio: 60; Page: 5). Looks like some follow up to find the verdict at Winchester would be interesting to find out why Henry (or James) and Susan were not convicted, assuming that to be the case). Hope this helps. Have fun. Jon Baker Ann wrote: Does anyone know where Old Farm is or was?

CONGRATS Marylou Always nice to see a new twig born. Pat Corney

Hi Everyone, Need help to find info.about Sam??? CREETH died 23/24th August 1899 Niton Buried in Niton Churchyard. Sam could be a nickname. All the rest is definitely correct. He was my greataunt's fiance,but Sam died before they could be married. She was Elizabeth Annie (Nan) FORSTER of Niton. Her brother Bob married Alice CREETH 1910,my grandparents. I have a lot of records on CREETH families of Isle-of-Wight,but no Sam/Samuel. Please can someone with access to records help me find this CREETH. Thanks very much Heather FORSTER NZ Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

>Andrea > >What about the Alfred George WRIGHT born 1865 with the surname >WHEELER/FLUX, there is a marriage for a James WRIGHT to a Jane FLUX >in 1847 at St George Arreton, and there looks to be several >WRIGHT/FLUX CHILDREN. Hmmm. That looks more promising. I did a check to see whether there had been an earlier marriage of a FLUX to a WHEELER - nothing, and no children from such a union either. So if she wasn't the widow FLUX, then how come they are giving her the double-barrled surname?? David in Ballarat

I have a report of a murder from newspaper of Saturday, March 2, 1861. A John LACEY (not one of mine) Murdered his wife Jane at the old farm house on the 10th… a Susan WILDAY ( was living at the farm) was a niece of the deceased woman who was an accessory after the fact,………..both were formally charged & the trial to take place at Winchester. Lacey is a powerfully-built man, about 50 years & WILDAY the niece is upper of 40 years of age, the deceased as stated by Dr OlLLARD to be quite 70 years There is a death in Ryde, Jane LACEY 1861age 63. >From “The Times” a full & interesting report on the trial states that a it was Henry LACEY & murder was on the 17th February St Helen’s , the niece was Susan WILHAY & the surgeon is J. F. OLLARD, other names mentioned were, Priscilla YOUNG, William RUSSEL, Frederick NICHOLAS, Broom PINNIGER, William KING, SMITH, George CATHPOLL, Mr COLE, Mr Justice WELLES. Does anyone know where Old Farm is or was? Ann