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    1. Re: [IoW] Milford on Sea
    2. Greetings All, the parish registers held by the Hampshire Record Office are available there on microfiche. It is possible to buy copies of them from the HRO. Regards, Anne in Wales ======================================== Message Received: Oct 03 2009, 01:34 PM From: "Vanessa Marshall" To: "Denise Brown" , ISLE-OF-WIGHT@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [IoW] Milford on Sea Hello Denise, Milford on Sea Parish Records are held at the Hampshire Record Office: Hampshire Record Office Sussex Street, Winchester, Hampshire SO23 8TH tel 01962 846154, fax 01962 878681 Contact Archives and Local Studies see there website for a full on-line catalogue at http://www3.hants.gov.uk/archives.htm Copies are also held at Lymington Library and New Milton Library. I hope this helps. Vanessa Dorset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Brown" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:05 AM Subject: [IoW] Milford on Sea > Hello Francis > > This is further to your email to the Digest on 22/9/09 with your > subject FUQUET and part of the message was re your 6 g-gf's brother > married at Milford -on-Sea - well now over to my question. > > I have suspicion that my 3 times g grandfather (Henry PAGE) was born > at Milford-on-Sea in approximately 1788 then possibly moved to IOW > (just across the way) and married there etc etc. How can I get > access to any BDM's to this parish? Can anyone help on this inquiry? > > Kind regards, > Denise B > Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia - denise@lighthouseelectrical.com ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/03/2009 10:33:44
    1. Re: [IoW] Roy Stockdill's comments.
    2. Sandra J Smith
    3. Thankyou Vanessa for the very interesting and factual account of the history of the Tudor Rose. Not a sign of condescension - which I applaud. Kind regards Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vanessa Marshall" <van.m@o2.co.uk> To: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com>; <isle-of-wight@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [IoW] Roy Stockdill's comments. >I haven't replied to any of the comments recently posted about Mariage cert > / fathers and further ongoing arguments about family history versus > geneaology as it is all rather petty, but am now infuriated thet Roy > Stockdill is changing History!! > > I don't claim any particular wisdom either but having a love for early > buildings, especially Tudor ones - I felt I had to comment... > > The Tudor rose was a combination of The York emblem (White rose and goes > back to Edward IV (1461 - 14830) and the Lancasterian Emblem (Red Rose > taken > on by the Lancasterians at the Battle of Bosworth in recognition of > supporting the descendents of John of Gaunt (Ist Duke of Lancaster via his > son Henry IV (Bollingbrooke ), whose family emblem it was, > > The two roses were combined when Henry Tudor (a Lancastarian) married > Elizabeth of York in 1486 after the Battle of Bosworth (1485). > > There are many examples all over Tudor buildings famous ones such as > Hampton > Court, Anne Boleyn's Gate etc. which were built long before Shakespeare > was > born!! There are also ones engraved on the cannons of the Mary Rose which > sank in 1545, not to be seen again by divers until 1966! > The Great Hall at Winchester was also 'adorned' with Tudor Roses by a > young > Henry VIII for a visit by the Charles V the Holy Roman Emperor, > > So it had happened 'in real life' before the Bard (1564 - 1592)! > It is possible that Shakespeare took the details and enhanced them (as he > was known to do) after performing at Hampton Court in 1603 or in one of > the > other great houses of the time as it was the custom to have the roses > engraved everywhere to show support for the Tudors and especialy Henry > VIII - a king you did not want to displease! > > Please get your facts correct before making such statements!! > > > Vanessa > Dorset > (much of which was owned by John of Gaunt and also has some fine examples > of > early english and tudor roses in lesser known tudor buildings such as > Hooke > Court) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> > To: <isle-of-wight@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [IoW] Joy > > > On 27 Sep 2009 at 19:39, Joy Langdon wrote: > >> I don't claim any knowledge or wisdom but Roy has said he values >> attention to detail and hates it if anyone gets anything wrong about >> genealogy so I knew he wouldn't want to continue telling people that >> they were misquoting Shakespeare when they were actually quoting >> Homer. Sorry if that makes me lacking in humility, I thought I was >> being helpful! > > > Joy was quite correct! I had forgotten that Shakespeare plagiarised the > saying from > someone else and if she says it was Homer I am sure she's right. > > But, then, Shakespeare was never averse to a bit of plagiarism - just like > Oscar Wilde. > > As a Yorkshireman, I happen to believe that it was The Bard who also > invented the > myth of the Roses, Lancashire red, Yorkshire white, in Henry VI Part 1. In > real life it > never happened until Shakespeare dreamed it up. We should always remember > he > was a dramatist and not a historian. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ************************************** > You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: > Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ************************************** > You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: > Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this incoming message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.6.4 > http://www.iolo.com > _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.6.4 http://www.iolo.com

    10/03/2009 09:10:46
    1. Re: [IoW] Milford on Sea
    2. Vanessa Marshall
    3. Hello Denise, Milford on Sea Parish Records are held at the Hampshire Record Office: Hampshire Record Office Sussex Street, Winchester, Hampshire SO23 8TH tel 01962 846154, fax 01962 878681 Contact Archives and Local Studies see there website for a full on-line catalogue at http://www3.hants.gov.uk/archives.htm Copies are also held at Lymington Library and New Milton Library. I hope this helps. Vanessa Dorset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Brown" <denise@lighthouseelectrical.com> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:05 AM Subject: [IoW] Milford on Sea > Hello Francis > > This is further to your email to the Digest on 22/9/09 with your > subject FUQUET and part of the message was re your 6 g-gf's brother > married at Milford -on-Sea - well now over to my question. > > I have suspicion that my 3 times g grandfather (Henry PAGE) was born > at Milford-on-Sea in approximately 1788 then possibly moved to IOW > (just across the way) and married there etc etc. How can I get > access to any BDM's to this parish? Can anyone help on this inquiry? > > Kind regards, > Denise B > Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia - denise@lighthouseelectrical.com

    10/03/2009 07:33:43
    1. Re: [IoW] Roy Stockdill's comments.
    2. Vanessa Marshall
    3. I haven't replied to any of the comments recently posted about Mariage cert / fathers and further ongoing arguments about family history versus geneaology as it is all rather petty, but am now infuriated thet Roy Stockdill is changing History!! I don't claim any particular wisdom either but having a love for early buildings, especially Tudor ones - I felt I had to comment... The Tudor rose was a combination of The York emblem (White rose and goes back to Edward IV (1461 - 14830) and the Lancasterian Emblem (Red Rose taken on by the Lancasterians at the Battle of Bosworth in recognition of supporting the descendents of John of Gaunt (Ist Duke of Lancaster via his son Henry IV (Bollingbrooke ), whose family emblem it was, The two roses were combined when Henry Tudor (a Lancastarian) married Elizabeth of York in 1486 after the Battle of Bosworth (1485). There are many examples all over Tudor buildings famous ones such as Hampton Court, Anne Boleyn's Gate etc. which were built long before Shakespeare was born!! There are also ones engraved on the cannons of the Mary Rose which sank in 1545, not to be seen again by divers until 1966! The Great Hall at Winchester was also 'adorned' with Tudor Roses by a young Henry VIII for a visit by the Charles V the Holy Roman Emperor, So it had happened 'in real life' before the Bard (1564 - 1592)! It is possible that Shakespeare took the details and enhanced them (as he was known to do) after performing at Hampton Court in 1603 or in one of the other great houses of the time as it was the custom to have the roses engraved everywhere to show support for the Tudors and especialy Henry VIII - a king you did not want to displease! Please get your facts correct before making such statements!! Vanessa Dorset (much of which was owned by John of Gaunt and also has some fine examples of early english and tudor roses in lesser known tudor buildings such as Hooke Court) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <isle-of-wight@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [IoW] Joy On 27 Sep 2009 at 19:39, Joy Langdon wrote: > I don't claim any knowledge or wisdom but Roy has said he values > attention to detail and hates it if anyone gets anything wrong about > genealogy so I knew he wouldn't want to continue telling people that > they were misquoting Shakespeare when they were actually quoting > Homer. Sorry if that makes me lacking in humility, I thought I was > being helpful! > Joy was quite correct! I had forgotten that Shakespeare plagiarised the saying from someone else and if she says it was Homer I am sure she's right. But, then, Shakespeare was never averse to a bit of plagiarism - just like Oscar Wilde. As a Yorkshireman, I happen to believe that it was The Bard who also invented the myth of the Roses, Lancashire red, Yorkshire white, in Henry VI Part 1. In real life it never happened until Shakespeare dreamed it up. We should always remember he was a dramatist and not a historian. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/03/2009 06:46:35
    1. Re: [IoW] Milford on Sea
    2. Kate Burhouse
    3. Hi Daphne Your message today has reminded me that I didn't respond to this, and this will also give you a copy of the original, so kills two birds with one stone. Hi Denise My RANNs appear to have done the same as your PAGEs. William RAN was born in Milford on Sea in c1746, then made the leap across the water to marry Mary CHIVERTON in Freshwater, 17th April 1776. Nearly all the RANNs on the island descend from this pair - there's a good few of them :-) I wonder how many other young men moved to the island to find a bride. I'd love to know how easy it was to pop over to the island in those days. Would he have just gone the once and never come back? I think the only way of accessing the MoS records is in person at the Hampshire RO. Luckily my cousin went and checked them out and found William's parents, but I'd love to trace them further back because there are other RAN(N)s in the Beaulieu area who I'm sure must connect up at some stage. If I can, then all the RANNs on the island will finally be linked up. Kate in Devon -----Original Message----- From: isle-of-wight-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:isle-of-wight-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Denise Brown Sent: 29 September 2009 09:06 To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT@rootsweb.com Subject: [IoW] Milford on Sea I have suspicion that my 3 times g grandfather (Henry PAGE) was born at Milford-on-Sea in approximately 1788 then possibly moved to IOW (just across the way) and married there etc etc. How can I get access to any BDM's to this parish? Can anyone help on this inquiry? Kind regards, Denise B Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia - denise@lighthouseelectrical.com

    10/02/2009 09:46:40
    1. Re: [IoW] Memorial inscriptions Carisbrooke church St Mary orMonumental inscriptions
    2. Eve Ward
    3. Whoops, sorry Jon, didn't mean to misspell your name. That's how my husband does. regards, Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Ward" <eveward7@btinternet.com> To: "Jon Baker" <baker.jon@sky.com>; <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [IoW] Memorial inscriptions Carisbrooke church St Mary orMonumental inscriptions

    10/02/2009 06:34:18
    1. Re: [IoW] Memorial inscriptions Carisbrooke church St Mary or Monumental inscriptions
    2. Eve Ward
    3. Thanks John, I must be missing something in my searches. I had already looked in the IWFHS burials (he's not there) and the Carisbrooke St.Mary Church website where I thought I'd find some reference, before I posted my query. I was prompted by your earlier posting to do this instead of just wondering about it. I was using the wrong wording I realise and it should have been Monumental rather than memorial, perhaps that's why I didn't find it myself. I'd already asked my relatives and none of them had the transcription. I know when he lived and died, I just wanted to know what his headstone says. I cannot see on the NRO website a way of reading the transcription unless I visit in person. I'm not very good at navigating my way around the NRO site I now realise. regards, Eve in Herts ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Baker" <baker.jon@sky.com> To: "'Eve Ward'" <eveward7@btinternet.com>; <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:34 AM Subject: RE: [IoW] Memorial inscriptions Carisbrooke church St Mary > Eve > I think you have the answer now, but I refer you to my mail on Wednesday, > the IWFHS web site has details of availability of burial records and > memorial inscriptions, refer to: > http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/mis_bis.htm > > The IW Record Office web site also has details of MIs: > http://www.iwight.com/library/record_office/Types_of_Records/monument.asp > > Regards > > Jon Baker > > > >

    10/02/2009 06:29:32
    1. Re: [IoW] Memorial inscriptions Carisbrooke church St Mary
    2. Jon Baker
    3. Eve I think you have the answer now, but I refer you to my mail on Wednesday, the IWFHS web site has details of availability of burial records and memorial inscriptions, refer to: http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/mis_bis.htm The IW Record Office web site also has details of MIs: http://www.iwight.com/library/record_office/Types_of_Records/monument.asp Regards Jon Baker -----Original Message----- Hello Listers, Does anyone know if there are any memorial inscriptions that have been transcribed for St. Mary's church at Carisbrooke? I've had a websearch but cannot find anything so far.

    10/02/2009 04:34:19
    1. [IoW] Record Office Look Up Monumental Inscription
    2. Eve Ward
    3. Dear Listers, If there is anyone visiting the Newport Record office in the near future, could they look-up the transcription of a monumental inscription please. Carisbrooke Church, St Mary, John STARK was buried there 1857. Any help appreciated, thanks, Eve

    10/02/2009 04:19:48
    1. [IoW] Memorial inscriptions Carisbrooke church St Mary
    2. Eve Ward
    3. Subject: Re: [IoW] Memorial inscriptions Carisbrooke church St Mary Thanks to Ann, Sandra, Mary Lou, Ian, Jon, and Kate for your suggestions and helpful comments. I now see that the Record Office does indeed have transcriptions of St Mary. I've also been told that taking a photo at different times of the day to get the right light might be the answer, or holding a white sheet or cardboard to reflect the light. I shall pack everything if I get another chance! regards, Eve

    10/02/2009 04:07:55
    1. Re: [IoW] Worn Memorial inscriptions
    2. Margaret
    3. Thank you, Sandra, for this useful tip, but most of all for a really good laugh on a day that had not started well. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> To: <ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 2:05 AM Subject: [IoW] Worn Memorial inscriptions > Eve, (and any others with a similar problem) a tip for the future. > > If you have difficulty reading a worn gravestone, take a large travel > blanket and a torch with you. Throw the blanket over the stone to > completely cover it, then get inside and shine the torch obliquely across > the inscription. It will actually stand out almost as though it had been > carved yesterday. > I devised this system after reading that worn tombstones are best read in > the dark using a torch. As I am somewhat averse to crawling round > cemeteries in the dead of night, I solved the problem with the travel > blanket. > > I leave to your imagination, the one time I was transcribing a > particularly > difficult stone in Southampton Old Cemetery. It was getting late and dusk > was fast approaching, but I was determined to finish it. Having spent > sometime stooped in an awkward position, I stood up groaning with the > blanket over my head, just as one of the town drunks came down the path > looking for a berth for the night. He screamed, turned tail and ran. I > probably put him off drink for life seeing this groaning, apparition > appearing from a grave. > Sandra > > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this outgoing message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.6.4 > http://www.iolo.com > > > ************************************** > You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: > Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2396 - Release Date: 09/26/09 05:51:00

    10/02/2009 03:48:03
    1. Re: [IoW] Worn Memorial inscriptions
    2. Kate Burhouse
    3. Lol - they should adopt that method of treatment in the NHS! My Dad (92, an IoW RANN) had my children in stitches the other day when he was telling them how he used to go to the graveyard with his mates and make ghost noises to frighten the 'courting couples' - who knows how many girls were saved from future disgrace ;-) Great idea for reading those worn headstones, and best of all it doesn't do any damage to the stone. I've seen some suggestions using shaving foam and all sorts of substances, which just can't be a good idea. Thank goodness for resilient local stone. We visited a Gloucestershire graveyard this summer where many of the headstones were made from the local limestone and in a terrible state. Instead of just gradually wearing away, the whole surface just lifts away in one big sheet, leaving a completely blank surface. Fortunately, the one I was looking for was still complete, but I could see that it was already lifting and won't last for long. It was interesting to see that the monuments of more wealthy people were made of granite etc. Kate in Devon -----Original Message----- From: isle-of-wight-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:isle-of-wight-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandra J Smith Sent: 02 October 2009 02:05 To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IoW] Worn Memorial inscriptions Eve, (and any others with a similar problem) a tip for the future. If you have difficulty reading a worn gravestone, take a large travel blanket and a torch with you. Throw the blanket over the stone to completely cover it, then get inside and shine the torch obliquely across the inscription. It will actually stand out almost as though it had been carved yesterday. I devised this system after reading that worn tombstones are best read in the dark using a torch. As I am somewhat averse to crawling round cemeteries in the dead of night, I solved the problem with the travel blanket. I leave to your imagination, the one time I was transcribing a particularly difficult stone in Southampton Old Cemetery. It was getting late and dusk was fast approaching, but I was determined to finish it. Having spent sometime stooped in an awkward position, I stood up groaning with the blanket over my head, just as one of the town drunks came down the path looking for a berth for the night. He screamed, turned tail and ran. I probably put him off drink for life seeing this groaning, apparition appearing from a grave. Sandra _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.6.4 http://www.iolo.com ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/02/2009 02:43:54
    1. Re: [IoW] DAW, Rosina married 1802 at Alverstoke
    2. Stephen Shafer
    3. Good morning, I don't know. A Rosina Dorr from the same time and place would suggest identity. Might you know of one? Thanks, Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk To: Stephen Shafer ; Isle-of-Wight@rootsweb.com Cc: chriscjbartlett@hotmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [IoW] DAW, Rosina married 1802 at Alverstoke Greetings All, are DAW and DORE the same name? Anne in Wales ======================================== Message Received: Oct 01 2009, 05:16 PM From: "Stephen Shafer" To: Isle-of-Wight@rootsweb.com Cc: chriscjbartlett@hotmail.com Subject: [IoW] DAW, Rosina married 1802 at Alverstoke Hello, I am trying to find the parents and perhaps grandparents of my ancestor Rosina DAW who married Richard Shackle in 1802 at Alverstoke. The couple's children, at least some of them, were baptized at St Thomas, Portsmouth circa 1809-1813. Their grandson, John Alexander CREAL, b. 1850 kept the Eagle Tavern in the Isle of Wight. For that reason, and because of the many DAWs found in the IOW, I think Rosina may have been born on IOW or had ancestors from there before moving to the mainland. Any advice will be appreciated. This is ccd to my cousin in the UK who is working on the same family, CREAL. Stephen Shafer New York ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/02/2009 01:46:36
    1. Re: [IoW] Memorial inscriptions Carisbrooke church St Mary
    2. Ian Dunbar
    3. Hello Eve, I recently found an old grave of my Great Great Grandfather and the stone looked like it was blank. I used the traditional method of using a lightweight paper and wax or pastel crayons to rub the stone and was able to lift every word that had been on it. I was even able to see that the phrase "In loving Memory" hand been written on the top in a different font. None of this was visible and was assumed to be blank. Regards Ian Dunbar -----Original Message----- From: isle-of-wight-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:isle-of-wight-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eve Ward Sent: 01 October 2009 21:14 To: ISLE-OF-WIGHT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IoW] Memorial inscriptions Carisbrooke church St Mary Hello Listers, Does anyone know if there are any memorial inscriptions that have been transcribed for St. Mary's church at Carisbrooke? I've had a websearch but cannot find anything so far. Last year I tried taking photos of the headstone of John STARK who was buried 1857 in the churchyard of St Mary, it rained all week of my visit so not only were the pictures rubbish but I couldn't read what it said anyway! I did look from every angle. I would love to know if the words were recorded while they were still readable. Appreciate any suggestions. regards, Eve ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.115/2405 - Release Date: 10/01/09 06:34:00

    10/02/2009 01:39:57
    1. Re: [IoW] Memorial inscriptions Carisbrooke church St Mary
    2. Sharon
    3. Hi Eve Like Ian, I have found excellent success with taking a rubbing of headstones.  When I'm doing cemetery research, part of my kit is a roll of paper, masking tape, a natural bristle brush, scissors and a box of the crayons sized for little hands - the crayons are nearly a half inch in diameter.  The paper I use is the heavier brown shipping type as it resists tearing.  The brush (used with a very judicious amount of pressure) is excellent for removing moss or other growth.  Then I wrap the marker with the paper, and tape it in place.  Holding the crayon sideways so that the entire length lies on the paper, I start rubbing.  You'll be amazed at the detail that comes up!  I've found that using the crayon held as a pencil is okay for fine details, but care must be taken not to do so with enough pressure that you tear the paper.  Once done, I record the name/place of the cemetery, the date and if possible the location of the marker within the cemetery on the end of the paper. Then roll it into a tube so that the identifying notes are visible, snap a rubber band or two over to hold it together.  Take photographs of the marker, then back up and get area photos so that if you ever want to go back, or you want to give directions to someone else, you can send them the photos to act as a map. I was doing research in a long-abandoned family plot in the woods of New Hampshire where the older markers were of a soft type of stone, and erosion had washed areas of the engraving away.  Stones that had been lying on the ground, some broken into pieces, were the hardest to read.  But when I took rubbings of them I was able to lift near-perfect images.  One in particular had been a very tall marker and when it had fallen it had fractured into 7 or 8 large pieces.  After arranging them on the uneven ground and carefully working my way over them I had a rubbing that had details that didn't show up in photos at all.  Knee pads come in handy for work in this sort of situation!   Good luck - Sharon Life is what happens while you are making other plans.

    10/02/2009 01:15:48
    1. [IoW] Page name - Milford on Sea
    2. Hi Everyone, There was a request on this list in the past week regarding, I believe, the above name in connection with Milford on Sea. Would the person concerned please contact me as I have accidently deleted your email and cannot therefore do the look up for you. Very sorry about this Daphne

    10/02/2009 01:07:15
    1. [IoW] Worn Memorial inscriptions
    2. Sandra J Smith
    3. Eve, (and any others with a similar problem) a tip for the future. If you have difficulty reading a worn gravestone, take a large travel blanket and a torch with you. Throw the blanket over the stone to completely cover it, then get inside and shine the torch obliquely across the inscription. It will actually stand out almost as though it had been carved yesterday. I devised this system after reading that worn tombstones are best read in the dark using a torch. As I am somewhat averse to crawling round cemeteries in the dead of night, I solved the problem with the travel blanket. I leave to your imagination, the one time I was transcribing a particularly difficult stone in Southampton Old Cemetery. It was getting late and dusk was fast approaching, but I was determined to finish it. Having spent sometime stooped in an awkward position, I stood up groaning with the blanket over my head, just as one of the town drunks came down the path looking for a berth for the night. He screamed, turned tail and ran. I probably put him off drink for life seeing this groaning, apparition appearing from a grave. Sandra _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.6.4 http://www.iolo.com

    10/01/2009 08:05:18
    1. [IoW] TUCKER stray in Wiltshire 1851
    2. Thelma Wigley
    3. HO107/1837 Yatesbury, Wiltshire Page 7/F332 John TUCKER, 50, Farmer 330 acres, b. Winterbourne, Wilts. Eliza, 45, b. Isle of Wight Amelia, 24, b. Yatesbury, Wilts. John, 21, do Martha Shergold, svt, widow, 50, House Svt., b. Chiseldown? Hannah Clark, svt, 16, do b. Compton Bassett, Wilts. That's Wiltshire finished!

    10/01/2009 03:14:51
    1. [IoW] Memorial inscriptions Carisbrooke church St Mary
    2. Eve Ward
    3. Hello Listers, Does anyone know if there are any memorial inscriptions that have been transcribed for St. Mary's church at Carisbrooke? I've had a websearch but cannot find anything so far. Last year I tried taking photos of the headstone of John STARK who was buried 1857 in the churchyard of St Mary, it rained all week of my visit so not only were the pictures rubbish but I couldn't read what it said anyway! I did look from every angle. I would love to know if the words were recorded while they were still readable. Appreciate any suggestions. regards, Eve

    10/01/2009 03:14:06
    1. Re: [IoW] DAW, Rosina married 1802 at Alverstoke
    2. Greetings All, are DAW and DORE the same name? Anne in Wales ======================================== Message Received: Oct 01 2009, 05:16 PM From: "Stephen Shafer" To: Isle-of-Wight@rootsweb.com Cc: chriscjbartlett@hotmail.com Subject: [IoW] DAW, Rosina married 1802 at Alverstoke Hello, I am trying to find the parents and perhaps grandparents of my ancestor Rosina DAW who married Richard Shackle in 1802 at Alverstoke. The couple's children, at least some of them, were baptized at St Thomas, Portsmouth circa 1809-1813. Their grandson, John Alexander CREAL, b. 1850 kept the Eagle Tavern in the Isle of Wight. For that reason, and because of the many DAWs found in the IOW, I think Rosina may have been born on IOW or had ancestors from there before moving to the mainland. Any advice will be appreciated. This is ccd to my cousin in the UK who is working on the same family, CREAL. Stephen Shafer New York ************************************** You can contact the Isle of Wight List Administrator by emailing: Isle-of-Wight-Admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-WIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/01/2009 01:12:49