All the locations are very close. Flint Row was a lovely little cluster of cottages. In present day my Grandmother lived at Flint House, which has been built on the site. If you are unsure of any of the locations I can have a look through my bits and bobs and dig out some old and current maps. And when Flu free will take a wander over to Dane Hill and see which ones are still standing. Its not even 2 minutes from my house. I have a map showing Prospect Row, but only up to number 6. I also have a picture to hand looking down Dane Hill present day. I would like what you have on the Holloway's, I find it interesting to see they lived in Margate and can also keep it to one side until new listers arrive looking for the family names. Many Thanks Suzannah "A.D.Reynolds" <adr@westlodge37.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: Thanks. I have all my Mirams after 1837 except Edward 1802's siblings. My Edward died at 33 Dane Hill, 12 August 1871 Mary Ann nee Saunders died 47 Milton Road, 25 February 1890 Births Edward b.4 Flint Row, St.John's 5 November 1839 William Holloway Mirams b. Drayson's Cottage, 5 June 1842 Sarah Maria b.8 Prospect Row, 20 March 1846 George and Edward died of smallpox within 10 days of each other (23 June and 1 July 1855 respectively) at Dane Hill. My later addresses fit with the births of William Holloway's children. Are you interested in them for your database? Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "ENSEMBLE SUZANNAH-FOAD" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [ISLE-OF-THANET] Miriams > Hello Tony, > > Thank you for your get well wishes, still suffering.! > > Edward Miriams was baptised at Birchington 23 May 1803 to John and Mary > > Siblings > John 18th Sep 1803 > Thomas 7th April 1805 > Sarah 30th Nov 1806 > James 24th July 1808 > > No other children baptised at Birchington and I wonder if this is John who married Mary Twyman in 1799 at Minster. > Pat Kendell, or Maid of Kent lister on the IOT has a Jane baptised 1816 to John and Mary Tywman so they may have moved to Ramsgate. Conjecture though as cannot prove same parents. > > > 1861 Census > Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 535; Folio: 55; Page: 13 > 8 Dane Hill, Margate > Edward aged 55 a Carrier and Mary aged 54. > > On the 1851 census, Edward and mary Miriams are in Margate, 8 Prospect Row, Dane Hill. > Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1629; Folio: 443; Page: 11 > > Edward aged 45 a Carrier, > Wife Mary 44 > Children > George aged 16 Assistant to his father > Edward aged 11 > William aged 6 > Sarah aged 5 > > > 1841 Census, Drayson's Cottage, Dane Hill (this cottage was built by John Drayson pre 1821 and possible who Edward worked for) > Source Citation: Class: HO107; Civil Parish: St John the Baptist Margate; County: Kent; Enumeration District: 15; Page: 13 > (Remember the ages are rounded up!) > Edward born 1806 Labourer > Mary 1811 > Children > Elizabeth 1833 > George 1835 > Mary 1837 > Edward 1839 > All Born Margate apart from Mary born Jersey. > > > Possible deaths for Edward and Mary are > > Deaths Mar 1863 > Miriams Mary Thanet 2a 468 > Deaths Dec 1863 > Miriams Edward Thanet 2a 435 > > Good luck > Suzannah > > "A.D.Reynolds" wrote: > Hi Susannah, > That looks good. > Interestingly Louisa Sayer's daughter Eliza Sarah, (my grandmother), married > Frank William MIRAMS in 1903 but not the same line as yours. He was the son > of William Holloway Mirams and Emily HEWETT of Birchington; Wm.Holloway's > parents were Edward Mirams b.abt 1802 and Mary Ann SAUNDERS (born Jersey, > C.I. abt 1807) but I haven't got any further back reliably except to say > that my late Aunt found the marriage of a Mary HOLAWAY in a Parish Register > which she obviously thought significant. > It was her notes in her personal effects which got me started on all this! > > Hope the collywobbles have settled. > Regards, > Tony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ENSEMBLE SUZANNAH-FOAD" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:08 PM > Subject: Re: [ISLE-OF-THANET] re Minster Workhouse > > > > Hello Tony, > > > > Sorry for the delay in replying, we have a household sick to the stomach > with flu at present. I have added what I have so far, I will work on this > line a bit more as soon as 100% again. Looks like a match to me > > Kindest Regards > > Suzannah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Descendants of Henry Sayer > > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > > 1. HENRY1 SAYER was born 1796 in St Lawrence Thanet Kent, and died 16 > Sep 1882 in Birchington Kent. He married SARAH MIRIAMS 25 Aug 1822 in All > Saints Birchington Kent, daughter of JOHN MIRIAMS and SARAH SPRATT. She was > born 1803 in Monkton Thanet Kent, and died 12 Dec 1878 in Birchington Kent. > > Notes for HENRY SAYER: > > Memorial Inscription on his Headstone in Birchington Churchyard Henry > Sayer died 16th September 1882, aged 86, having for 64 years been in service > of one family in this parish.(Source Sheila Foreman) Died of Heart Disease. > Dropsy > > 1851 Census, Agr Labourer aged 50, of The Street Birchington Kent > > 1881 Census, aged 85, Agr Labourer of Mill Row Birchington Kent > > Notes for SARAH MIRIAMS: > > Died of Natural Decay at 8 Mill Row Birchington Kent (Source Sheila > Foreman) > > 1851 Census, aged 48 > > More About SARAH MIRIAMS: > > Christening: 25 Sep 1803, Monkton Thanet Kent > > Marriage Notes for HENRY SAYER and SARAH MIRIAMS: Witnessed by Richard > Busbridge and Elizabeth Adams > > > > Children of HENRY SAYER and SARAH MIRIAMS are: > > i. MARY2 SAYER, b. 1822, Birchington Kent; m. JOHN STEVENS, 06 Jun > 1843, Birchington Kent; b. 1815, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet. > > More About MARY SAYER: > > Christening: 22 Dec 1822, All Saints Birchington Kent > > Notes for JOHN STEVENS: > > Son of William Stevens and Sarah Castle > > 1842, Time of marriage, Labourer of St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent > > Marriage Notes for MARY SAYER and JOHN STEVENS: > > All Saints > > Witnessed by Richard Busbridge and Martha Stevens > > 2. ii. HENRY SAYER, b. Feb 1825, Birchington Kent. > > iii. SARAH SAYER, b. Apr 1827, Birchington Kent; d. 1827, Birchington > Kent. > > Notes for SARAH SAYER: > > All Saints > > More About SARAH SAYER: > > Christening: 13 May 1827, Birchington Kent > > 3. iv. STEPHEN SAYER, b. Jan 1829, Birchington Kent. > > v. WILLIAM SAYER, b. Mar 1831, Birchington Kent. > > More About WILLIAM SAYER: > > Census UK 1861: 17 Apr 1831, Birchington Kent > > vi. EDWARD SAYER, b. 1832, Birchington Kent; d. 21 May 1895, Birchington > Kent; m. EMMA SAVIN, 24 Sep 1859, Birchington Kent; b. 02 Oct 1841, > Birchington Kent; d. 26 Dec 1936, Margate Kent. > > Notes for EDWARD SAYER: > > 1861 Census, Agr Labourer, Cottage, Canterbury Road, Birchington Kent > > More About EDWARD SAYER: > > Census UK 1861: Apr 1861, Birchington Kent > > Notes for EMMA SAVIN: > > Thanet Q Dec 1841 Vol 5 Page 7 > > Died 111 All Saints Avenue (Source Sheila Foreman) > > More About EMMA SAVIN: > > Christening: 12 Dec 1841, Birchington Kent > > Marriage Notes for EDWARD SAYER and EMMA SAVIN: > > Salem Baptist Chapel > > vii. JOHN SAYER, b. Feb 1834, Birchington Kent; m. JOSEPHINE UNKNOWN, > 1855, St Peter's Thanet Kent; b. 1836, Margate Kent. > > Notes for JOHN SAYER: > > Nieces Sarah aged 15 and Emma Sayer aged 14 staying with John and > > Josephine on the 1881 Census. > > 1861 Census, Agr labourer of Garlinge Thanet Kent > > 1881 Census, Fly Proprietor and Lodging House Keeper of Buenos Ayres > > Margate Kent. Aged 47 > > More About JOHN SAYER: > > Census UK 1861: Apr 1861, Garlinge Thanet Kent > > Census UK 1881: Apr 1881, Margate Kent > > Christening: 16 Mar 1834, All Saints Birchington Kent > > 4. viii. JAMES SAYER, b. Jan 1836, Birchington Kent. > > ix. ELIZABETH SAYER, b. Jul 1838, Birchington Kent. > > Notes for ELIZABETH SAYER: > > 1851 Census, aged 12 > > More About ELIZABETH SAYER: > > Christening: 05 Aug 1838, All Saints Birchington Kent > > x. THOMAS SAYER, b. 10 May 1841, Birchington Kent; d. 19 Feb 1904, > Birchington Kent; m. CHARLOTTE HOLTUM. > > Notes for THOMAS SAYER: > > 1851 Census,a ged 9 > > xi. GEORGE SAYER, b. 1845, Birchington Kent. > > Notes for GEORGE SAYER: > > 1851 Census, aged 7 > > xii. WILLIAM HOLLIN SAYER, b. Sep 1845, Birchington Kent; m. JANE > COZENS, 1866, St John's Margate Kent; b. 1845, Margate Kent. > > Notes for WILLIAM HOLLIN SAYER: > > 1851 Census, aged 5 > > More About WILLIAM HOLLIN SAYER: > > Christening: 19 Oct 1845, All Saints Birchington Kent > > xiii. SAMUEL SAYER, b. Oct 1850, Birchington Kent; d. 1851, Birchington > Kent. > > Notes for SAMUEL SAYER: > > 1851 Census, aged 6 months > > 1881, Aged 30 Unmarried and living with father Henry at Mill Row > > Birchington Kent > > More About SAMUEL SAYER: > > Christening: 10 Nov 1850, All Saints Birchington Kent > > xiv. SAMUEL SAYER, b. Jul 1851, Birchington Kent. > > Notes for SAMUEL SAYER: > > Occupation: Bricklayers Labourer > > More About SAMUEL SAYER: > > Christening: 10 Aug 1851, All Saints Birchington Kent > > xv. ROSE SAYER, b. 1866, Birchington Kent. > > > > Generation No. 2 > > > > 2. HENRY2 SAYER (HENRY1) was born Feb 1825 in Birchington Kent. He > married EMMA ANN UNKNOWN 1848 in St John's Margate Kent. She was born 1829 > in Staple Kent, and died Mar 1908 in St Peter's Thanet Kent. > > Notes for HENRY SAYER: > > Boarder on the 1861 Census, William Hawleyer aged 1 month born Margate > > Grand daughter Florence S Pointer staying with the family on the 1881 > Census. > > Also 6 Boarders > > Henry S Stace aged 25 Carpenter born Kennington Surrey > > Charles T Powell aged 25, Clerk born Bishopsgate London > > Thomas Haismer aged 43 Bricklayer born Faversham Kent > > Thomas Haismer aged 16 Bricklayers Labourer born Faversham > > Austin J Long aged 21, Bricklayers Labourer born Boughton Kent > > 1851 Census, aged 26 Unmarried > > 1861 Census, Bricklayer of Garlinge Thanet Kent > > More About HENRY SAYER: > > Christening: 20 Mar 1825, All Saints Birchington Kent > > > > Children of HENRY SAYER and EMMA UNKNOWN are: > > i. MARY A3 SAYER, b. Jun 1849, Birchington Kent. > > Notes for MARY A SAYER: > > Thanet Vol 5 Page 511 > > ii. EMMA ANN SAYER, b. Dec 1852, Margate Kent; d. 10 Feb 1897, Margate > Kent; m. HENRY CHARLES S POINTER, Dec 1873, Margate Thanet Kent; b. 1852, > Thanet Kent. > > Notes for EMMA ANN SAYER: > > Thanet Vol 2a Page 563 > > 1881 Census, aged 28, living with her husband Henry at 2 Chester Road > > Margate Kent > > Children, > > Eliza A Pointer aged 8 > > Rebecca E Pointer aged 3 > > Emma aged 10 Months born Westgate > > More About HENRY CHARLES S POINTER: > > Census UK 1881: Apr 1881, Margate Kent > > Marriage Notes for EMMA SAYER and HENRY POINTER: > > Thanet Vol 2a Page 1004 > > iii. REBECCA SAYER, b. 1856, Margate Kent; m. RICHARD TUMBER, Dec 1878, > St Peter's Thanet Kent; b. 1855, Ash Kent. > > Notes for REBECCA SAYER: > > 1881 Census, aged 25 living at 8 Chester Road with husband Richard > > Tumber. (Sister Emma lives 6 doors away at 2 Chester Road.) > > Children > > Richard Tumber aged 1 Westgate > > Alice aged 7 Months Westgate > > More About RICHARD TUMBER: > > Census UK 1881: Apr 1881, Margate Kent > > Marriage Notes for REBECCA SAYER and RICHARD TUMBER: > > Thanet Vol 2a Page 1536 > > iv. WILLIAM SAYER, b. Dec 1866, Garlinge Kent; d. Jun 1898, St Peter's > Thanet Kent. > > Notes for WILLIAM SAYER: > > Thanet Vol 2a Page 770 > > Thanet Vol 2a Page 512 > > Aged 32 > > 1881 Census, aged 16, Bricklayer > > v. ELLEN SAYER, b. 1870, Garlinge Kent. > > > > 3. STEPHEN2 SAYER (HENRY1) was born Jan 1829 in Birchington Kent. He > married ELIZA GODDEN 21 May 1853 in All Saints Birchington Kent. She was > born 1833 in Kent, and died Bef. 1881 in St Peter's Thanet Kent. > > More About STEPHEN SAYER: > > Christening: 11 Jan 1829, All Saints, Birchington Kent > > Notes for ELIZA GODDEN: > > Daughter of William Godden > > Marriage Notes for STEPHEN SAYER and ELIZA GODDEN: Witnessed by Edward > and Elizabeth Sayer. > > > > Children of STEPHEN SAYER and ELIZA GODDEN are: > > i. JAMES3 SAYER, b. 1853, Birchington Kent. > > More About JAMES SAYER: > > Christening: 18 Sep 1853, All Saints Birchington Kent > > ii. CHARLES WILLIAM SAYER, b. 1856, Birchington Kent. > > iii. LOUISA SAYER, b. 1858, Birchington Kent. > > iv. JAMES SAYER, b. 1874, Birchington Kent; d. 10 Mar 1949, Birchington > Kent. > > > > 4. JAMES2 SAYER (HENRY1) was born Jan 1836 in Birchington Kent. He > married EMMA MILLGATE 1859 in Blean Kent. She was born 1838 in Acol Kent. > > Notes for JAMES SAYER: > > 1851, Aged 15 > > 1871 Census, Waggoner of the Street, St Nicholas Thanet Kent > > 1881 Census, The Street, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. Farm Waggoner > > 1891 Census, Agr Labourer of The Street St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent > > More About JAMES SAYER: > > Christening: 21 Feb 1836, All Saints, Birchington Kent > > > > Children of JAMES SAYER and EMMA MILLGATE are: > > i. HENRY3 SAYER, b. 1860, Chislet Kent. > > Notes for HENRY SAYER: > > 1871 Census, Employed on farm aged 11 > > ii. ELEANOR SAYER, b. 1862, Chislet Kent. > > iii. JAMES SAYER, b. 1865, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. > > iv. EMMA SAYER, b. 1867, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. > > 5. v. LOUISA MARY SAYER, b. 1870, St Nicholas Thanet Kent. > > vi. JOHN SAYER, b. 1872, St Nicholas at Wade, Thanet Kent. > > vii. GEORGE SAYER, b. 1875, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. > > viii. WILLIAM ALAN SAYER, b. 1877, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. > > Notes for WILLIAM ALAN SAYER: > > 1891 Census, Agr Labourer aged 14 > > ix. ELIZABETH MARY SAYER, b. 1880, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. > > x. ARTHUR E SAYER, b. 1884, St Nicholas Thanet Kent. > > Notes for ARTHUR E SAYER: > > 1901 Census, Staying with hs sister Louisa and brother in law Thomas > Ireland at The Street St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent Groom Domestic. > > > > Generation No. 3 > > > > 5. LOUISA MARY3 SAYER (JAMES2, HENRY1) was born 1870 in St Nicholas > Thanet Kent. She married THOMAS RAINER IRELAND Dec 1892 in Blean Kent, son > of JOHN IRELAND and HARRIETT MARTIN. He was born Dec 1867 in Chislet Kent. > > Notes for LOUISA MARY SAYER: > > 1891 Census, staying with her Uncle William Sayer a Cow Keeper at Edgar > House Minster. Louisa is a Housekeeper to her widowed Uncle, possibly till > the time of her marriage in 1892. Next door to William Sayer is John and > Emma Foad. > > 1901 Census, aged 31, The Street St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent > > Arthur E Sayer Brother of Louisa, staying on Census night, aged 17, > Groom. > > Notes for THOMAS RAINER IRELAND: Blean Vol 2a Page 1210 > > 1881 Census, aged 13 and working as a Farm servant. > > 1901 Census, aged 33 Waggoner on Farm, The Street, St Nicholas at Wade > Thanet Kent > > Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 819; Folio: 57; Page: 8. > > 1936 Kelly's Directory 2 Wellington Cottages, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet > Kent > > Marriage Notes for LOUISA SAYER and THOMAS IRELAND: Thanet Vol 2a Page > 1797 > > > > Child of LOUISA SAYER and THOMAS IRELAND is: > > i. EDWIN C4 IRELAND, b. 1894, St Nicholas at Wade Kent. > > Notes for EDWIN C IRELAND: > > 1901 Census, aged 7 The Street St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent with > parents > > > > > > > > "A.D.Reynolds" wrote: > > Thanks to all for helpful postings. > > > > Susannah, > > > > I have Louisa Sayer born to Stephen Sayer and Eliza nee Godden at > Birchington 17 Feb 1858. Parents married Birchington Parish Church 21 May > 1853, his father was a Henry Sayer ?yours. > > > > Louisa married Frederick James Cox at All Saints' Birchington 20 October > 1878. She was then a spinster which agrees with no husband at my > grandmother's birth in August. > > > > I got my certificates from Thanet Registration so not sure of GRO ref. 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