I wonder if anyone in this forum can help, please. My great grandfather, Edward Streatfield, appears to have run a market gardening business at Cliffs End in the 1920s. His wife, Agnes Streatfield's 1928 death certificate gives her place of residence as Cliffs End Farm, St. Lawrence Extra. The death certificate is also quite clear that one son, Roberts French Streatfield is living at 2 Grove Cottages, Cliffsend, Ramsgate. I have found a web site that has some parish record extracts for St. Lawrence church in Ramsgate. There I found the baptisms of two of Walter Streatfield's children in 1925 and 1929. He was living at 1 Grove Cottages, Cliffs End, St; Lawrence. So it would seem that the two brothers are living next door to each other in Grove Cottages at Cliffs End. Now the puzzle is, where exactly were Grove Cottages? I have done some research to try and locate these cottages. A fellow member of the Kent Family History Society, who grew up in Cliffs End in the 1930s, is not aware of there being any such cottages at Cliffs End, although he was familiar with Cliffs End Farm. I cannot find the cottages on the modern OS map and the 1877 OS map online does not list them,. In addition, Cliffs End Farm appears to have been called Bethlehem Farm in 1877. The cottages do not appear in the 1901 census for St. Lawrence Extra. Kelly's 1930 directory does not give me any useful clues, though my great grandfather's business is listed as Edward Streatfield and sons, Cliffs End, Ramsgate. I have tried searching for Grove Cottages at the current Post Office web site but cannot find them. It is possible that they may no longer exist, since the village appears to have undergone considerable development. The local history resources of Ramsgate Library are in boxes after the fire they had a while ago, so they couldn't help. The Centre for Kentish Studies drew a blank and were unable to suggest any likely sources. I am waiting from a reply from the Ramsgate Society, but they implied it could be a very long wait. Does anyone here know of the cottages or can think of any other likely sources to consult? Regards ... Michele Morris

On Tue, 2006-25-07 at 09:23 +0100, Michele Morris wrote: > I wonder if anyone in this forum can help, please. My great grandfather, > Edward Streatfield, appears to have run a market gardening business at > Cliffs End in the 1920s. His wife, Agnes Streatfield's 1928 death > certificate gives her place of residence as Cliffs End Farm, St. Lawrence > Extra. The death certificate is also quite clear that one son, Roberts > French Streatfield is living at 2 Grove Cottages, Cliffsend, Ramsgate. I > have found a web site that has some parish record extracts for St. Lawrence > church in Ramsgate. There I found the baptisms of two of Walter > Streatfield's children in 1925 and 1929. He was living at 1 Grove Cottages, > Cliffs End, St; Lawrence. So it would seem that the two brothers are living > next door to each other in Grove Cottages at Cliffs End. Now the puzzle is, > where exactly were Grove Cottages? > > I have done some research to try and locate these cottages. A fellow member > of the Kent Family History Society, who grew up in Cliffs End in the 1930s, > is not aware of there being any such cottages at Cliffs End, although he was > familiar with Cliffs End Farm. I cannot find the cottages on the modern OS > map and the 1877 OS map online does not list them,. In addition, Cliffs End > Farm appears to have been called Bethlehem Farm in 1877. The cottages do not > appear in the 1901 census for St. Lawrence Extra. Kelly's 1930 directory > does not give me any useful clues, though my great grandfather's business is > listed as Edward Streatfield and sons, Cliffs End, Ramsgate. I have tried > searching for Grove Cottages at the current Post Office web site but cannot > find them. It is possible that they may no longer exist, since the village > appears to have undergone considerable development. > > The local history resources of Ramsgate Library are in boxes after the fire > they had a while ago, so they couldn't help. The Centre for Kentish Studies > drew a blank and were unable to suggest any likely sources. I am waiting > from a reply from the Ramsgate Society, but they implied it could be a very > long wait. Does anyone here know of the cottages or can think of any other > likely sources to consult? > > Regards ... Michele Morris Hi Michelle, There is a Cliffs End Gr(ove?) on the modern map between Foads Lane and Sandwich Road: http://streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=634224&y=164426&z=1&sv=634224,164426&st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=634224&ay=164426 Could this be where Grove Cottages were sometime after 1878? I have failed to find a more modern map than 1877/8. -- John Bartlett <bart34@shaw.ca>