Hello everyone This is my first post. I want to start at the beginning. When did the Trumpeters arrive in Margate? My first, fairly certain, discovery of a Trumpeter is the wedding at St John's church Margate of a William Tripiter or Tripitie (the LDS IGI has both spellings) to Jane Twyman in 1832. I am sure that this is William Trumpeter. The two separate spellings in the IGI suggest that the original handwriting is difficult to read. I have checked the internet using Google for both Tripiter and Tripitie and have found nothing. And if it isn't on the internet it doesn't exist! On Genes Reunited a "Ronnie" has a William Trumpeter being born in 1810. Could this be the same William. The age is about right for Marriage in 1832. I do not know where "Ronnie" got this information. So where were the Trumpeters before 1832 (or 1810 possibly). I suspect that they came from either Suffolk or London. When did William Trumpeter die? If Jane married later to Henry Bloxham was William dead, divorced or deserted? I would like the date of death so that I can decide which of Janes children were Williams and which Henry's. There seems to be some confusion about this point in the list messages that I have read. I am going to e-mail Yvonne and James Duly separately, as well as discuss the Trumpeter/Twyman/Bloxham affair on this list. Later I will be asking about "Botton", "Meredith", the Trumpeter move to Ramsgate, boat buliders and vanishing Ramsgate streeets. Thanks for any help John Nathaniel Trumpeter Thanks

I have the 1841 census for Jane and children, which I will send you off list. No William around. But in FreeBMD: Births Sep 1843 Trumpeter Samuel Bloxham Isle of Thanet 5 429 And then, again in FreeBMD Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1848 BLOXHAM Henry I of Thanet 5 584 TRUMPETER Jane Thanet Isle 5 584 According to KCC BMD they were married May 16th 1848 and the code T14 indicates St John's Best wishes and welcome to the IofT list Elizabeth John Nathaniel Trumpeter wrote: >Hello everyone > >This is my first post. I want to start at the beginning. When did the Trumpeters arrive in Margate? >My first, fairly certain, discovery of a Trumpeter is the wedding at St John's church Margate of a William Tripiter or >Tripitie (the LDS IGI has both spellings) to Jane Twyman in 1832. I am sure that this is William Trumpeter. The two >separate spellings in the IGI suggest that the original handwriting is difficult to read. I have checked the internet using >Google for both Tripiter and Tripitie and have found nothing. And if it isn't on the internet it doesn't exist! > >On Genes Reunited a "Ronnie" has a William Trumpeter being born in 1810. Could this be the same William. The age >is about right for Marriage in 1832. I do not know where "Ronnie" got this information. So where were the Trumpeters >before 1832 (or 1810 possibly). I suspect that they came from either Suffolk or London. > >When did William Trumpeter die? If Jane married later to Henry Bloxham was William dead, divorced or deserted? >I would like the date of death so that I can decide which of Janes children were Williams and which Henry's. There >seems to be some confusion about this point in the list messages that I have read. > >I am going to e-mail Yvonne and James Duly separately, as well as discuss the Trumpeter/Twyman/Bloxham >affair on this list. > >Later I will be asking about "Botton", "Meredith", the Trumpeter move to Ramsgate, boat buliders and vanishing Ramsgate streeets. > >Thanks for any help > >John Nathaniel Trumpeter > >Thanks > > > >

Hello Elizabeth and list Thanks for your e-mails on the Trumpeters. The 1841 census details were very useful and solved some problems, but created more. They are not really problems though, more like new leads. "Bonnie" has pointed out the relationships, both in 1841 and later, between the various people living in the house at the time of the census. As you said there is no mention of my g g grandfather William Trumpeter but my g g grandmother's second husband-to-be Henry Bloxham is living in the house. Although this does not prove that William is dead it does suggest that he might be. The other interesting point is that there is a William living there and that is my g g grandmother's eldest son. Since I had only found one mention of him before, on Genes Re-united, I had assumed that he had died at birth. However here he is at 8 years old. The new problem is what happened to him. There is no mention of him in the 1851 census although the rest of the family is mentioned. At 18, though, he has probably left home, but I don't know where he has gone. He, too, could have died, but I have not found any records of it. Your mention of the KCC BMD was very useful. I had not come across this site before and it too solved some problems. I spent an hour or so on that site just putting in the Trumpeter name and the year (working from 1837 to 1992). Apparently only the marriages are in that date range since the births and deaths only go from 1992 to 2002. However the marriages proved useful. I had discovered previously, incorrectly as it turned out, that my great grandfather Edward James Thomson Trumpeter married a Mercy Botton in 1861. I had had great difficulty finding many Bottons in the area so I had been wondering where she came from. I had found this information on FreeBMD and I had loaded down the relevant image of the marriage index. The Botton name was in the correct alphabetical position in the index but I still wasn't convinced. So I have been looking for Bottons, Bottens and Buttons. There seemed to be more Buttons in the Thanet area so I was starting to assume that the person who compiled the index had made a transcription error. However, when I looked on the KCC BMD site I could not tie any of these names in with a marriage to my great grandfather. In desperation I eventually tried "Mercy Bo" and that solved the problem. It immediately came back with Mercy Bolton. This corresponded with my grandfathers marriage details exactly. I just had not thought about the first l in Bolton changing from an l to a t to form Botton. When I looked up Bolton on freeBMD there were several thousand BMD's in Kent and several hundred in Kent. So, the original indexer had made a mistake back in 1861. Probably not his/her fault though. The Vicars handwriting may have been difficult to read and the indexing job would have been boring. Any way I will be investigating the Bolton name, so if anyone has a Mercy Bolton in their tree (b1835? d1900 ?) please let me know. I also found the marriage of a Jean Trumpeter in 1942. I think that she was the daughter of William Edward Henry Trumpeter (My father's eldest brother) and perhaps had a brother called Billy Trumpeter. Does anyone know who she married? She may even still be alive. Thanks John

Jean Trumpeter married Thomas Hanley: Name: HANLEY, Thomas, , Year of Marriage: 1942 Entry Number: 94 Register: T/29/3 Location: THANET AND DOVER Name: TRUMPETER, Jean, , Year of Marriage: 1942 Entry Number: 94 Register: T/29/3 Location: THANET AND DOVER BUT: If you search the KCC web site with just a T as the last name, you'll find this: Name: TRUMPTER, Jean, , Year of Marriage: 1942 Entry Number: 94 Register: T/29/3 Location: THANET AND DOVER So you'll need to consult the PR's for this one. There is a Jean TRUMPETER in the GRO index for 1920: Trumpeter Jean M Mother's maiden name - Harvey Blything. Vol 4a Page 2333 2nd Qtr 1920 Best wishes Elizabeth John Nathaniel Trumpeter wrote: >Hello Elizabeth and list > >Thanks for your e-mails on the Trumpeters. > >The 1841 census details were very useful and solved some problems, but >created more. They are not really problems though, more like new leads. >"Bonnie" has pointed out the relationships, both in 1841 and later, between >the various people living in the house at the time of the census. As you >said there is no mention of my g g grandfather William Trumpeter but my g g >grandmother's second husband-to-be Henry Bloxham is living in the house. >Although this does not prove that William is dead it does suggest that he >might be. The other interesting point is that there is a William living >there and that is my g g grandmother's eldest son. Since I had only found >one mention of him before, on Genes Re-united, I had assumed that he had >died at birth. However here he is at 8 years old. The new problem is what >happened to him. There is no mention of him in the 1851 census although the >rest of the family is mentioned. At 18, though, he has probably left home, >but I don't know where he has gone. He, too, could have died, but I have >not found any records of it. > >Your mention of the KCC BMD was very useful. I had not come across this >site before and it too solved some problems. I spent an hour or so on that >site just putting in the Trumpeter name and the year (working from 1837 to >1992). Apparently only the marriages are in that date range since the >births and deaths only go from 1992 to 2002. However the marriages proved >useful. I had discovered previously, incorrectly as it turned out, that my >great grandfather Edward James Thomson Trumpeter married a Mercy Botton in >1861. I had had great difficulty finding many Bottons in the area so I had >been wondering where she came from. I had found this information on FreeBMD >and I had loaded down the relevant image of the marriage index. The Botton >name was in the correct alphabetical position in the index but I still >wasn't convinced. So I have been looking for Bottons, Bottens and Buttons. >There seemed to be more Buttons in the Thanet area so I was starting to >assume that the person who compiled the index had made a transcription >error. However, when I looked on the KCC BMD site I could not tie any of >these names in with a marriage to my great grandfather. In desperation I >eventually tried "Mercy Bo" and that solved the problem. It immediately >came back with Mercy Bolton. This corresponded with my grandfathers >marriage details exactly. I just had not thought about the first l in >Bolton changing from an l to a t to form Botton. When I looked up Bolton on >freeBMD there were several thousand BMD's in Kent and several hundred in >Kent. So, the original indexer had made a mistake back in 1861. Probably >not his/her fault though. The Vicars handwriting may have been difficult to >read and the indexing job would have been boring. Any way I will be >investigating the Bolton name, so if anyone has a Mercy Bolton in their tree >(b1835? d1900 ?) please let me know. > >I also found the marriage of a Jean Trumpeter in 1942. I think that she was >the daughter of William Edward Henry Trumpeter (My father's eldest brother) >and perhaps had a brother called Billy Trumpeter. Does anyone know who she >married? She may even still be alive. > >Thanks > >John > > > >

Just had a look in the 1851 and 1861 census. In 1851 Edward, age 13 is shown as Bloxham and in 1861, age 24, as Trumpeter. It was not uncommon for children to assume the last name of the new spouse, so you won't be able to tell who's who unless you have the birth certs or baptisms. Best wishes Elizabeth John Nathaniel Trumpeter wrote: >Hello everyone > >This is my first post. I want to start at the beginning. When did the Trumpeters arrive in Margate? >My first, fairly certain, discovery of a Trumpeter is the wedding at St John's church Margate of a William Tripiter or >Tripitie (the LDS IGI has both spellings) to Jane Twyman in 1832. I am sure that this is William Trumpeter. The two >separate spellings in the IGI suggest that the original handwriting is difficult to read. I have checked the internet using >Google for both Tripiter and Tripitie and have found nothing. And if it isn't on the internet it doesn't exist! > >On Genes Reunited a "Ronnie" has a William Trumpeter being born in 1810. Could this be the same William. The age >is about right for Marriage in 1832. I do not know where "Ronnie" got this information. So where were the Trumpeters >before 1832 (or 1810 possibly). I suspect that they came from either Suffolk or London. > >When did William Trumpeter die? If Jane married later to Henry Bloxham was William dead, divorced or deserted? >I would like the date of death so that I can decide which of Janes children were Williams and which Henry's. There >seems to be some confusion about this point in the list messages that I have read. > >I am going to e-mail Yvonne and James Duly separately, as well as discuss the Trumpeter/Twyman/Bloxham >affair on this list. > >Later I will be asking about "Botton", "Meredith", the Trumpeter move to Ramsgate, boat buliders and vanishing Ramsgate streeets. > >Thanks for any help > >John Nathaniel Trumpeter > >Thanks > > > >

On 5 Jul 2006 at 21:16, John Nathaniel Trumpeter wrote: > And if it isn't on the internet it doesn't exist! > A statement, I trust, made in jest. A lot of volunteers are working to bring resources to the 'Net, but it ain't all there, yet. Lou

Hi Lou and members of this list Yes, a comment made with tounge in cheek! I am currently working on a reply to Elizabeth Clark who sent me some very useful information. I think that the volunteers that gather all the birth, marriage and death information are doing a wonderful job. And those people compiling parish records and complete censuses for an area are doing an astounding job. I am not so happy with a clerk in 1861 who mis-transcribed Botton for Bolton, but then I wouldn't have wanted to produce those quarterly marriage indexes. It must have been really boring. John