If my arms were a little (ahem) longer I'd hug you! THANKS!! Kya "suzannah.foad" <suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saskia Steinhorst" To: Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [IoT] Grotto House - Stephen Wales Margate > Intruiging! > > I have my great-whatever-grandfather James W(h)ales (poss. bapt. 11 Febr 1844 at St. John's; died after 1901?) tentatively listed as being the son of John Foster Wales and Mary Ann Appleton. Tentatively, as he names his first two sons Henry and Walter, whose names I haven't been able to retrace yet. In 1870 James married Hannah Whales, daughter of James Whales and Esther Jarman. > > John Foster Wales also supposedly was the son of James W(h)ales and Hannah Foster. If his brother was Stephen Savin, then I guess James W(h)ales probably was the son of William W(h)ales and Ann Savin (also named Swan). > > I know William and Ann had a daughter named Ann Savin W(h)ales, who was baptised 15 april 1770 at St. John's. So John (the eldest?) son was given his mother's maiden name, and Stephen (the 2nd son?) his grandmother's maiden name. Know anything else about this family? > > Warm regards, > > Kya Milo > > "suzannah.foad" wrote: James Whales and Hannah Foster who married 1797 St Peter's > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Saskia Steinhorst" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: [IoT] Grotto House - Stephen Wales Margate > > > > Ok, thanks. Any idea whose son he was? > > > > Kya > > > > "suzannah.foad" wrote: Oooops Stephen > Savin Wales 20th Sept 1812 - 16th July 1840 married Sarah > > Rolfe 1835. > > Either way, he had no hand in the Grotto, just helped with Grotto house. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Saskia Steinhorst" > > > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [IoT] Grotto House - Stephen Wales Margate > > > > > > > Ok, I'm a bit late in responding (holidays you know ... such a chore > ;o) > > but which Stephen Wales are we talking about here: the son of John Foster > > Wales and Mary Ann Appleton, born 1843? Or somebody else alltogether? > > > > > > Kya > > > > > > "suzannah.foad" wrote: Grotto House is in > > Margate High Street behind Barclays Bank and its back > > > fronts onto Albert Terrace. > > > A famous lady/actress lived there in the 19th century (Can't think off > top > > > of my head) and Stephen Wales placed a few shell panels into her > basement > > so > > > she could worship, something like that. > > > I of course, have a copy of the article which is floating round and it > was > > > compiled by Mick Twyman of the Margate Historical Society. > > > It all came to light when Dr Alan Kay was disputing and seen in some > eyes > > as > > > mocking the Shell Grotto on TV!!, (hardly going to bring the visitors > > > flocking in,)saying Stephen Wales had placed the panels in the Shell > > Grotto. > > > But, the Shell Grotto was rediscovered in 1837 by a son of James Newlove > > at > > > the rear of his School in the Dane, and our Stephen Wales was not born > > till > > > 1841! > > > > > > So, it transpired that Stephen Wales placed the panels in the Grotto > House > > > in Margate High Street and had nothing what so ever to do with the Shell > > > Grotto. Dr Alan Kay was proved wrong again and the wonderful Mick Twyman > > has > > > hit upon something wonderful with the Knights Templar's, who although a > > > secret society, have helped him with his research. Mick will finally get > > the > > > recognition for his near enough life's work on the subject. > > > > > > Will find the article x > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Linda Wales" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:06 PM > > > Subject: [IoT] Grotto House > > > > > > > > > > I have just found a pencilled note on the back of a piece of paper > with > > no > > > source noted against it (I'm sure other members of the List NEVER do > > things > > > like this) it says: > > > > > > > > Stephen Wales - Grotto House story. > > > > > > > > At the time I wrote the note, we had no Stephen in our branch, but now > > of > > > course I have found one, and would dearly love to know the meaning of my > > > cryptic note!! Any suggestions? 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