Right, where to start Firstly. There wasn't an announcement for Ivy Keene nee Falconer. 1971-1975 Electoral Rolls Ivy is living on her own at Flat 4, 18 Queen Elizabeth Avenue. I would think none of her family were local so nothing put in the paper. This is a nice area overlooking Northdown Park. Good news on Herbert though. Isle of Thanet Gazette 4th August 1961 KEENE, on 27th July 1961 at Margate Hospital Herbert Charles aged 76. Beloved husband of Ivy and dear father of Kathleen, Queenie and Charles. At Rest   I checked the earlier directories and electoral rolls. 1920 Kelly's Directory Herbert Keene, The Gables, Westcliff Gardens 1926 and 1929 Electoral Roll Herbert C Keene, Sandhurst, West cliff Gardens Westbrook 1932-1938 Electoral Rolls Herbert Charles Keene and wife Mabel Gertrude at West Wing, Royal Esplanade By 1939 he is alone in the house with son Herbert Charles Keene Junior. 1933-1939 Kelly's Herbert is at a house named West Wing on Royal Esplanade, Westbrook 1948 Electoral Roll Herbert and Ivy appear at West Wing, by 1958 this is numbered 64 Royal Esplanade. I googled it and currently, the Secretary of Margate Amatuer Boxing Club lives here! Next time I am passing Sea Road and this house (I don't drive but have use of a car) I shall photograph the buildings for you. Herbert married Marriages Jun 1907    KEENE  Herbert Charles    Edmonton  3a 839 PRATT  Mabel Gertrude    Edmonton  3a 839 Births Jun 1908   Keene  Queenie Winifred    Edmonton  3a 573 Births Sep 1909   KEENE  Herbert Charles    Edmonton  3a 509 Births Dec 1919   Keene  Kathleen M  Pratt  Edmonton  3a 1278 Mabel Gertrude Keene died Q Dec 1939 Thanet Vol 2a Page 1685 aged 56 years. Born Births Dec 1883    PRATT  Mabel Gertrude    Islington  1b 398 Daughter Queenie married Marriages Jun 1931   Keene  Queenie W  Edgley  Edmonton  3a 1516 EDGLEY  Leslie C  Keene  Edmonton  3a 1516 Children Births Dec 1932   Edgley  David C L  Keene  Edmonton  3a 1033   Births Mar 1935   Edgley  Peter H  Keene  Croydon  2a 808 I have contacted two people for you on Genesreunited who have both Mabel G Pratt and Kathleen M Keene 1919 in their family tree. I shall let you know what I find and put you in touch. Going back to Glenthorne and Helen Leonard 1936-7 Electoral Roll Ivy Mary Falconer, Helen Mary Leonard and Maud Constance Harlow are listed. 1938 same as above by minus Maud C Harlow. By 1939 the hotel has been numbered as 51 Sea Road. Helen M Leonard does not appear at Glenthorne until the 1927 Kelly's Directory. In 1920 a William Henry Wickham was proprietor and the hotel named the same, Glenthorne from 1921-1926 the hotel isn't listed. You could contact the Land Registry, see if they hold anything. I would suggest it was requisitioned around 1941 and a contract of sorts would have had to been drawn up. Not the best picture as just a sketch, but 51 Sea Road (Glenthorne) is now the London School of English http://www.london-house.co.uk/ Kind Regards Suzannah ________________________________ From: Suzannah Foad <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009 10:34:55 PM Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Ivy FALCONER 1912-1975 - Herbert KEENE 1940 Thanet Herbert Charles KEENE died Q Sep 1961 Thanet Vol 5a Page 714 aged 76 years. Thus making him born c.1885. Herbert was roughly 27 years older than Ivy. I can look for an obituary for both of the above hopefully after the weekend. You mention UK death certificates do not give you much information but sadly neither do our 'obituaries' over here for the 1950's onwards. What you get is more of an announcement. Sometimes you might be lucky to get a mention of family members or a funeral date, but unless the person was of local 'note', a Mayor, long term family business, churchgoers, corporation workers and so on, most 'normal' folk would just have a few lines. Its a shame as 100 years ago you would have had full reports on anything to fill the paper. Just have a look at this wedding announcement from 1901 I posted in 2006. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/isle-of-thanet/2006-02/1140038856 I shall certainly see what I can find for you.  I have a 1934  and 1938 Electoral Roll for Westgate on Sea which lists Helen Mary Leonard, Glenthorne Sea Road Ivy Mary Falconer, Glenthorne, Sea Road Just in  case a relation Albert Edward and Marguerite Leonard, Hurlingham Lodge, Sea Road Herbert is living at Royal Esplanade in my 1948 Kelly's Directory. No Leonard. Will send what I find as soon as I can get to the library Kid Regards Suzannah ________________________________ From: Arlene Halme <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 13 October, 2009 3:45:30 AM Subject: [Isle-of-Thanet] new to list looking for Ivy FALCONER married to Herbert KEENE Mar 1940 died 1975 Looking for assistance in tracing Ivy Mary Kirby FALCONER born Perth,  Scotland 1912 , died in Thanet 1975.  Married Herbert C KEENE 1940  Thanet.  Have just ordered their marriage cert in hopes of  determining which of 2 Herbert C KEENE's she married in 1940. Ivy was born to parents Margaret LEONARD born Panbride, Angus,  Scotland and William FALCONER born  Dundee, Angus, Scotland.  They  also had a son Alexander born in Edinburgh.  William was a Lance  Serjeant with the 2nd Royal Scots when he was killed in action in  August 1914 in France.  Margaret later married John HAY and had 2 more  children. When Ivy was about 12 she went to live with Margaret's  sister, Helen LEONARD in Margate (Glenthorne Private Hotel in Sea  Road, Westgate), Kent. Helen had been in the employ of Lord and Lady  Cayzer of Kilperinie, Angus, Scotland and somehow ended up running a  guesthouse.  She had the guesthouse until the Royal Navy appropriated  it during WW2. The family tale was that Ivy married a much older man against the  advice of Helen and Margaret and had a falling out with the family.  When I started into genealogy in 1970 no one had heard of Ivy since  the marriage.  Each Leonard I found had the same response, that no one  had heard from Ivy after her marriage. With the recent addition of the GRO indexes online and the assistance  of some kind listers from the Angus Rootsweb list I have been able to  determine Ivy's marriage in 1940.  I have ordered the cert online in  hopes of obtaining a bit more information such as address in Thanet  and the age of Herbert.  I found 2 Herbert C's one born in 1885 and  the other born in 1909.  If the tale has some truth then the 1885  Herbert is the husband but it could easily be the 1909 Herbert. Wondering if anyone on the list might have access to an obituary in  mid 1975 for Ivy (Died  A M J  1975 Dist Thanet Vol 16 Page 1901) as I  understand an English death cert does not contain very much  information.  The younger Herbert C. died in May 1990 in Barnet,  London (died A M J 1990 Vol 11, page 180, Reg 590) but could not find  an appropriate death for the older Herbert C. I believe Ivy and Helen could have been members of the Westgate and  Birchington Golf Club is it possible this Herbert C. Keene was also a  member. I was able to obtain some information from British Phone books and it  appears H.C. Keene lived at West Wing, Royal Esplanade Margate Thanet  for the 1951, 1952, 1953, 1961  issues then the 1963, 64,70, 71,, 73,  73 and 75 show I. M. Keene at 4 Park Clo, Queen Elizabeth Ave,  Cliftonville, Thanet. Might there  be someone on the list familiar with these two people.  OR where I might search next to confirm I have the right people.  From  a quick search of the birth indexes it does not appear this couple had  children. Thank you for any assistance or leads in this mystery. Arlene Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message