Two ideas Look for F J Page's birth to send off for the certificate and find his parents Also, try ancestry to see if they have his army service records which may also give a next of kin etc Suzannah Margate Local & Family History --- On Mon, 6/12/10, Suzanne Hearn <suzanne.hearn@ntlworld.com> wrote: > From: Suzanne Hearn <suzanne.hearn@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Buddington Page Spain > To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, 6 December, 2010, 12:00 > Thanks to all for your input - sorry > I'm a little slow in responding - we > have some technical problems here! > > > > In my family we were always aware of Frank Buddington as > the 'only' son from > William's first marriage. John was never mentioned by my > grandmother or > great aunts and my mum didn't know about him. As I say, I > do have John's > 'Little Book' from the army as well as the letter sent to > my GG grandfather > William when John died. I also have FJ Page's 'Little > Book' > > > > I am basing the clues I have about FJ Page on some > assumptions. I don't have > the envelopes that went with them but they are addressed to > 'mother' and > talk about little Frank and Hannah and 'healthy little Tom > and Ted' (my next > 2 great uncles). He signs himself 'your loving son William' > and in one > letter 'Bill' but is always clear to show them how to > address the letters:- > J W Page, F Company, Chatham Barracks,  Reg No 2773. > (in December 1899). A > year later he was writing from Malta. > > > > He also asks for the address of Alfred Horn - my > GGgrandfather's sister, > Mary Buddington was married to a Charles Horn. > > > > Strangely, although his name is clearly written as > 'Frederick John Page' in > his army book he signs it (on the same page of his 'Little > Book') as F W > Page. He enlisted on the 19th October 1899 at the age of 18 > years and 5 > months. It states that he was born in the town of Margate > in Kent and was a > labourer. I suppose he could have lied about his age. In > any event, it looks > like he would have been born before William Buddington's > first marriage so > maybe he was an illegitimate son. > > > > On a slight tangent, to Elizabeth Clark: are you descended > from ancestors of > Caroline Chesterman? If so I have some original documents > that might be of > interest to you including the original marriage certificate > of James > Chesterman and Sarah Clarke and lots more! > > > > Thanks again for your suggestions so far! > > > > Suzanne > > > > From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Elizabeth Clark > Sent: 05 December 2010 14:01 > To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Buddington Page Spain > > > > No, Caroline wasn't married previously according to her > marriage cert (May > 13th, 1888). She was 29 years old and names her father as > James CHESTERMAN, > Decorator. William says his father was John BUDDINGTON, > Deceased, Labourer. > > According to the census that Suzannah quoted, John and > Frank were both born > in Garlinge. Would be a good idea to check the PR to see if > you can find > their baptisms. Perhaps Frank wasn't their son, but son of > relative and > brought up with this couple. > > Best wishes > > Elizabeth > > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Suzannah Foad <suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com > > wrote: > > > I see on the 1891 Census William is listed with two > sons that he had with > > Harriet > > > > William Buddington 31 > > Caroline Buddington 36 > > John W Buddington 6 > > Frank A Buddington 5 > > Hannah K Buddington 1 > > > > Births Jun 1884 > > Buddington  John William    > Thanet  2a 916 > > > > Births Mar 1886 > > BUDDINGTON  Francis Anthony  >    Thanet  2a 965 > > Name:  Francis A C Buddington > > Death:  Camberwell, London, England > > Death:  Oct-Nov-Dec 1957 > > > > You say that FJ Page mentions your grandmother > siblings, but does he > > mention them as his own siblings? I take it this would > Caroline Chesterman > > that the letters were addressed to? Was she married > previously? > > > > > > Margate Local & Family History > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/12/10, Suzanne Hearn <suzanne.hearn@ntlworld.com> > wrote: > > > > > From: Suzanne Hearn <suzanne.hearn@ntlworld.com> > > > Subject: [Isle-of-Thanet] Buddington Page Spain > > > To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Thursday, 2 December, 2010, 17:50 > >  > Dear Suzannah, > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if anyone can help me, I have a > full-scale mystery > > > on my hands! My > > > Great grandfather, William Buddington (born 1859 > in Minster > > > in Thanet) . He > > > was married twice, once to Harriet Spain who died > in a > > > drowning incident in > > > 1886 and then to Caroline Chesterman. I am aware > of most of > > > his offspring > > > (including my grandmother). Until recently I > thought he had > > > only had one > > > child with Harriet Spain but I have recently been > given > > > some letters which > > > reveal he had a son who was in the army (Royal > Warwickshire > > > regiment) and > > > who died of pneumonia in Dublin in December > 1901. > > > > > > Along with the letters from him (John William > Buddington) > > > there were also > > > letters and the army's 'Little Book' belonging to > a > > > Frederick John Page. > > > There were also letters from FJ Page addressed to > 'mother' > > > and mentioning by > > > name my grandmothers siblings as brothers and > sisters. I > > > don't understand > > > how it can be that this soldier (from the 3rd > battalion > > > Royal West Kent > > > Regiment) could be related to my great > grandparents. > > > > > > It's all a bit of a mystery - I wonder if you > have any idea > > > how I could > > > start to unravel the clues? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you in anticipation > > > > > > > > > > > > Suzanne Hearn > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >   _____  > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3299 - Release > Date: 12/05/10 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Suzannah, I'll try that if I can find his birth - I can't see it in freeBMD - any idea how else I could get it? Suzy From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Suzannah Foad Sent: 06 December 2010 16:05 To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Buddington Page Spain Two ideas Look for F J Page's birth to send off for the certificate and find his parents Also, try ancestry to see if they have his army service records which may also give a next of kin etc Suzannah Margate Local & Family History --- On Mon, 6/12/10, Suzanne Hearn <suzanne.hearn@ntlworld.com> wrote: > From: Suzanne Hearn <suzanne.hearn@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Buddington Page Spain > To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, 6 December, 2010, 12:00 > Thanks to all for your input - sorry > I'm a little slow in responding - we > have some technical problems here! > > > > In my family we were always aware of Frank Buddington as > the 'only' son from > William's first marriage. John was never mentioned by my > grandmother or > great aunts and my mum didn't know about him. As I say, I > do have John's > 'Little Book' from the army as well as the letter sent to > my GG grandfather > William when John died. I also have FJ Page's 'Little > Book' > > > > I am basing the clues I have about FJ Page on some > assumptions. I don't have > the envelopes that went with them but they are addressed to > 'mother' and > talk about little Frank and Hannah and 'healthy little Tom > and Ted' (my next > 2 great uncles). He signs himself 'your loving son William' > and in one > letter 'Bill' but is always clear to show them how to > address the letters:- > J W Page, F Company, Chatham Barracks, Reg No 2773. > (in December 1899). A > year later he was writing from Malta. > > > > He also asks for the address of Alfred Horn - my > GGgrandfather's sister, > Mary Buddington was married to a Charles Horn. > > > > Strangely, although his name is clearly written as > 'Frederick John Page' in > his army book he signs it (on the same page of his 'Little > Book') as F W > Page. He enlisted on the 19th October 1899 at the age of 18 > years and 5 > months. It states that he was born in the town of Margate > in Kent and was a > labourer. I suppose he could have lied about his age. In > any event, it looks > like he would have been born before William Buddington's > first marriage so > maybe he was an illegitimate son. > > > > On a slight tangent, to Elizabeth Clark: are you descended > from ancestors of > Caroline Chesterman? If so I have some original documents > that might be of > interest to you including the original marriage certificate > of James > Chesterman and Sarah Clarke and lots more! > > > > Thanks again for your suggestions so far! > > > > Suzanne > > > > From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Elizabeth Clark > Sent: 05 December 2010 14:01 > To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Buddington Page Spain > > > > No, Caroline wasn't married previously according to her > marriage cert (May > 13th, 1888). She was 29 years old and names her father as > James CHESTERMAN, > Decorator. William says his father was John BUDDINGTON, > Deceased, Labourer. > > According to the census that Suzannah quoted, John and > Frank were both born > in Garlinge. Would be a good idea to check the PR to see if > you can find > their baptisms. Perhaps Frank wasn't their son, but son of > relative and > brought up with this couple. > > Best wishes > > Elizabeth > > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Suzannah Foad <suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com > > wrote: > > > I see on the 1891 Census William is listed with two > sons that he had with > > Harriet > > > > William Buddington 31 > > Caroline Buddington 36 > > John W Buddington 6 > > Frank A Buddington 5 > > Hannah K Buddington 1 > > > > Births Jun 1884 > > Buddington John William > Thanet 2a 916 > > > > Births Mar 1886 > > BUDDINGTON Francis Anthony > Thanet 2a 965 > > Name: Francis A C Buddington > > Death: Camberwell, London, England > > Death: Oct-Nov-Dec 1957 > > > > You say that FJ Page mentions your grandmother > siblings, but does he > > mention them as his own siblings? I take it this would > Caroline Chesterman > > that the letters were addressed to? Was she married > previously? > > > > > > Margate Local & Family History > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/12/10, Suzanne Hearn <suzanne.hearn@ntlworld.com> > wrote: > > > > > From: Suzanne Hearn <suzanne.hearn@ntlworld.com> > > > Subject: [Isle-of-Thanet] Buddington Page Spain > > > To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Thursday, 2 December, 2010, 17:50 > > > Dear Suzannah, > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if anyone can help me, I have a > full-scale mystery > > > on my hands! My > > > Great grandfather, William Buddington (born 1859 > in Minster > > > in Thanet) . He > > > was married twice, once to Harriet Spain who died > in a > > > drowning incident in > > > 1886 and then to Caroline Chesterman. I am aware > of most of > > > his offspring > > > (including my grandmother). Until recently I > thought he had > > > only had one > > > child with Harriet Spain but I have recently been > given > > > some letters which > > > reveal he had a son who was in the army (Royal > Warwickshire > > > regiment) and > > > who died of pneumonia in Dublin in December > 1901. > > > > > > Along with the letters from him (John William > Buddington) > > > there were also > > > letters and the army's 'Little Book' belonging to > a > > > Frederick John Page. > > > There were also letters from FJ Page addressed to > 'mother' > > > and mentioning by > > > name my grandmothers siblings as brothers and > sisters. I > > > don't understand > > > how it can be that this soldier (from the 3rd > battalion > > > Royal West Kent > > > Regiment) could be related to my great > grandparents. > > > > > > It's all a bit of a mystery - I wonder if you > have any idea > > > how I could > > > start to unravel the clues? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you in anticipation > > > > > > > > > > > > Suzanne Hearn > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3299 - Release > Date: 12/05/10 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. 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