Oh she is, but she is VERY wise :) -----Original Message----- From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Woods Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:02 PM To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 no disrespect, but you must be Very old :-{)} ----- Original Message ----- From: "PJK :o))" <patinkent@yahoo.co.uk> To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > Lol !! Just pretend I'm your Mum !! :o) > > Pat.xxx :o)) > A Maid of Kent > > > ;-{)} > > I know when I'm in trouble because that's when I'm called by my full > name, > but capitas too --- ouch. > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PJK :o))" <patinkent@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > > > > CHRISTOPHER !!!! Shock !! Horror !!! You aren't sure if Ramsgate comes > > under the remit the Thanet List ???????????? Ramsgate is THE premier > town > > of Thanet !!!!! :o) > > > > I'm glad you managed to get some good info from the library. Makes he > hair > > pulling all worthwhile, doesn't it ? :o) > > > > Pat.xxx :o)) born, bred & living in said premier town !!! > > A Maid of Kent > > > > > > Hallo, > > > > My first visit to your forum - I am not certain whether Ramsgate comes > > within your remit and apologies if it does not. > > > > I recently found a Will of one of my maternal gt. grandfathers who > > 'drowned > > at sea' in 1891 > > I then bought his death certificate that shows his body was found 'on > the > > High Seas off Ramsgate' and that an inquiry had been held. > > > > I contacted kent-eng@rootsweb.com and was advised to contacted > Ramsgate > > Library and I was kindly sent a copy of the report of this inquiry in > the > > Kent Coast Times of 30th. July 1891. > > > > Cutting this to the minimum, it appears that this Londoner used to > visit > > a > > lodging house in Ramsgate ... presumably for the family summer > holiday. > > On > > this occassion he was last seen by his wife when he left their home in > > Newington . 9th.July. It would appear that he visited the lodging > house > > keeper who last saw him on the evening of the 10th., giving him his > watch > > etc. to hold ..... > > James sent his wife a post card at about 7.20 that evening, which she > > received about 10 that evening (!), saying that he had left his watch > > etc > > with the lodging house keeper. > > > > 11th. July he boarded the paddle steamer ORIEOLE (official number > 95435) > > at Ramsgate, and shortly after was lost overboard. > > His body was found 8 miles off North Foreland on 23rd. July and an > > inquiry > > was held on the 25th. > > > > Although there were strong hints that he may have committed suicide, > > the > > jury returned a verdict of 'Found Drowned' which is not very > > satisfactory. > > > > The paddle steamer ORIOLE ran between London Bridge, Ramsgate and > Great > > Yarmouth, calling in at Harwich. (She later ran to Margate). > > > > I have checked with the MUN archives in Newfoundland which holds most > of > > the > > 'Bristish Registrar of Ships and Seamen' records, and they have the > > original crew list for the ORIOLE for 1891, but not the log books. > It > > is > > very unlikely that a coastal ferry would have kept passenger lists at > > that > > time and so I will gain nothing from those records. > > > > I would assume that he and his family took the ORIOLE from London to > > Ramsgate as part of their holiday in Ramsgate. On this occassion, it > > would > > be interesting to know whether he joined the ship at Ramsgate on her > > return > > journey from Gt. Yarmouth to London, or on an outward journey from > > Ramsgate > > to Gt. Yarmouth. If the latter, this might indicate that he had > > intended > > to jump overboard and that the direction of the ship was irrelevent. > If > > the > > ship was bound for London, his going overboard may have been > accidental. > > > > I wonder therefore if anyone might know where I might find a copy of > the > > ORIOLE's schedule for July 1891. > > She was built for and at that time owned by the General Steam > Navigation > > Co. > > Ltd. > > > > Thank you, > > Chris > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3205 - Release Date: > 10/18/10 > > 18:34:00 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 > 18:34:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3207 - Release Date: 10/19/10 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
So I gather :-{)} Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Veronica I Barr" <mordensurrey@gmail.com> To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > Oh she is, but she is VERY wise :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Woods > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:02 PM > To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > > no disrespect, but you must be Very old :-{)} > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PJK :o))" <patinkent@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > > >> Lol !! Just pretend I'm your Mum !! :o) >> >> Pat.xxx :o)) >> A Maid of Kent >> >> >> ;-{)} >> >> I know when I'm in trouble because that's when I'm called by my full >> name, >> but capitas too --- ouch. >> Chris >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "PJK :o))" <patinkent@yahoo.co.uk> >> To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 >> >> >> > CHRISTOPHER !!!! Shock !! Horror !!! You aren't sure if Ramsgate comes >> > under the remit the Thanet List ???????????? Ramsgate is THE premier >> town >> > of Thanet !!!!! :o) >> > >> > I'm glad you managed to get some good info from the library. Makes he >> hair >> > pulling all worthwhile, doesn't it ? :o) >> > >> > Pat.xxx :o)) born, bred & living in said premier town !!! >> > A Maid of Kent >> > >> > >> > Hallo, >> > >> > My first visit to your forum - I am not certain whether Ramsgate >> comes >> > within your remit and apologies if it does not. >> > >> > I recently found a Will of one of my maternal gt. grandfathers who >> > 'drowned >> > at sea' in 1891 >> > I then bought his death certificate that shows his body was found 'on >> the >> > High Seas off Ramsgate' and that an inquiry had been held. >> > >> > I contacted kent-eng@rootsweb.com and was advised to contacted >> Ramsgate >> > Library and I was kindly sent a copy of the report of this inquiry in >> the >> > Kent Coast Times of 30th. July 1891. >> > >> > Cutting this to the minimum, it appears that this Londoner used to >> visit >> > a >> > lodging house in Ramsgate ... presumably for the family summer >> holiday. >> > On >> > this occassion he was last seen by his wife when he left their home >> in >> > Newington . 9th.July. It would appear that he visited the lodging >> house >> > keeper who last saw him on the evening of the 10th., giving him his >> watch >> > etc. to hold ..... >> > James sent his wife a post card at about 7.20 that evening, which >> she >> > received about 10 that evening (!), saying that he had left his >> watch >> > etc >> > with the lodging house keeper. >> > >> > 11th. July he boarded the paddle steamer ORIEOLE (official number >> 95435) >> > at Ramsgate, and shortly after was lost overboard. >> > His body was found 8 miles off North Foreland on 23rd. July and an >> > inquiry >> > was held on the 25th. >> > >> > Although there were strong hints that he may have committed suicide, >> > the >> > jury returned a verdict of 'Found Drowned' which is not very >> > satisfactory. >> > >> > The paddle steamer ORIOLE ran between London Bridge, Ramsgate and >> Great >> > Yarmouth, calling in at Harwich. (She later ran to Margate). >> > >> > I have checked with the MUN archives in Newfoundland which holds most >> of >> > the >> > 'Bristish Registrar of Ships and Seamen' records, and they have the >> > original crew list for the ORIOLE for 1891, but not the log books. >> It >> > is >> > very unlikely that a coastal ferry would have kept passenger lists at >> > that >> > time and so I will gain nothing from those records. >> > >> > I would assume that he and his family took the ORIOLE from London to >> > Ramsgate as part of their holiday in Ramsgate. On this occassion, >> it >> > would >> > be interesting to know whether he joined the ship at Ramsgate on her >> > return >> > journey from Gt. Yarmouth to London, or on an outward journey from >> > Ramsgate >> > to Gt. Yarmouth. If the latter, this might indicate that he had >> > intended >> > to jump overboard and that the direction of the ship was irrelevent. >> If >> > the >> > ship was bound for London, his going overboard may have been >> accidental. >> > >> > I wonder therefore if anyone might know where I might find a copy of >> the >> > ORIOLE's schedule for July 1891. >> > She was built for and at that time owned by the General Steam >> Navigation >> > Co. >> > Ltd. >> > >> > Thank you, >> > Chris >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >> > >> > >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3205 - Release Date: >> 10/18/10 >> > 18:34:00 >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ----- >> > No virus found in this message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 >> 18:34:00 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3207 - Release Date: 10/19/10 >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3209 - Release Date: 10/20/10 >