Will do, thank you very much, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Leary" <joan.leary@ntlworld.com> To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > Hi Chris, > If the Oriele was the passenger paddle steamer then she was owned by the > General Steam Navigation Company, the manuscripts for this company are > held > at the National Maritime Museum, if you google in General Steam Navigation > Company there is quite of lot of info that may be helpful to you. > Regards Joan. > > -----Original Message----- > From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Woods > Sent: 19 October 2010 07:53 > To: ISLE-OF-THANET@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > > Hallo, > > My first visit to your forum - I am not certain whether Ramsgate comes > within your remit and apologies if it does not. > > I recently found a Will of one of my maternal gt. grandfathers who > 'drowned > at sea' in 1891 > I then bought his death certificate that shows his body was found 'on the > High Seas off Ramsgate' and that an inquiry had been held. > > I contacted kent-eng@rootsweb.com and was advised to contacted Ramsgate > Library and I was kindly sent a copy of the report of this inquiry in the > Kent Coast Times of 30th. July 1891. > > Cutting this to the minimum, it appears that this Londoner used to visit > a > lodging house in Ramsgate ... presumably for the family summer holiday. > On > this occassion he was last seen by his wife when he left their home in > Newington . 9th.July. It would appear that he visited the lodging house > keeper who last saw him on the evening of the 10th., giving him his watch > etc. to hold ..... > James sent his wife a post card at about 7.20 that evening, which she > received about 10 that evening (!), saying that he had left his watch etc > with the lodging house keeper. > > 11th. July he boarded the paddle steamer ORIEOLE (official number 95435) > at Ramsgate, and shortly after was lost overboard. > His body was found 8 miles off North Foreland on 23rd. July and an inquiry > was held on the 25th. > > Although there were strong hints that he may have committed suicide, the > jury returned a verdict of 'Found Drowned' which is not very > satisfactory. > > The paddle steamer ORIOLE ran between London Bridge, Ramsgate and Great > Yarmouth, calling in at Harwich. (She later ran to Margate). > > I have checked with the MUN archives in Newfoundland which holds most of > the > > 'Bristish Registrar of Ships and Seamen' records, and they have the > original crew list for the ORIOLE for 1891, but not the log books. It is > very unlikely that a coastal ferry would have kept passenger lists at that > time and so I will gain nothing from those records. > > I would assume that he and his family took the ORIOLE from London to > Ramsgate as part of their holiday in Ramsgate. On this occassion, it > would > > be interesting to know whether he joined the ship at Ramsgate on her > return > journey from Gt. Yarmouth to London, or on an outward journey from > Ramsgate > > to Gt. Yarmouth. If the latter, this might indicate that he had intended > to jump overboard and that the direction of the ship was irrelevent. If > the > > ship was bound for London, his going overboard may have been accidental. > > I wonder therefore if anyone might know where I might find a copy of the > ORIOLE's schedule for July 1891. > She was built for and at that time owned by the General Steam Navigation > Co. > > Ltd. > > Thank you, > Chris > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 >