I found it amusing that recently, one scientist claimed that we are all descended from one woman, who he called Eve with surprising originality - and that Adam came along 40,000 years later. Er, I thought mankind required a male and a female to reproduce, or was Eve over 40,000 years old when she started having children?! ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. E. Clark" <eec06031@comcast.net> To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [IoT] Isle of early civilizations and hostile invaders - DNA projects > This will give my husband a laugh. He's having major surgery tomorrow and > we all need a good laugh. > > My husband's grandmother maintained that the crooked little finger > indicated that you were definitely descended from her father (who had many > concubines!) I couldn't figure out how that meant my husband as his > "grandmother" was technically a step-grandmother and there was no blood > connection. But now I know it's his Viking blood. How he got that I don't > know as he's Chinese :-)) > > Best wishes > > Elizabeth > > Bingmbing@aol.com wrote: > >>I read the paperback book The Seven Daughters of Eve and found it >>fascinating. Most research seems to be based on the Y chromosome of men >>which is constant, so the connection to ancient females is fairly new I >>imagine. >>Toyed with sending my DNA to the National Geographic Society's project, >>but never did. Thought it would be just my luck to be descended from >>someone they have no base for yet, a so-far undiscovered ancient >>"mother". Read their website however and follow the trails of DNA as >>they progress. Looks as if we all have common genes going back to Africa. >>My husband has a crooked little finger, Depuytrens Contracture, which >>shows Viking blood apparently. His mother had it too, but didn't know >>why. She came from mariners in Broadstairs; and I wonder if any other >>local families have it. >> Regards, Madie >> >> > > ______________________________ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 08/05/2006

If it helps any, on the 23rd December 1830, William Bushell and Stephen Bushell were sentenced to 7 years transportatipn for breaking machines at Vincent Farm, Thenet belonging to Mr Hills Rowe, and at Alland Grange, belonging to George Hannam, Esq. These appear in Mockett's journal under the heading "Incendiaries". They seem to have gotten off lightly. John Dyke (30), William Packman (20) and Hery Packman (20) were executed on Penenden Heath, near Maidstone. I don't think these were Thanet people though.... //Richard

Kerrie Stewart wrote: > Can anyone tell me who were the parents of the John Mockett who wrote > this? Also does it have much biographical information regarding > members of his family? > Thanks > Kerrie Stewart > > Kerrie, I think his father was Elijah Mockett. And no, there is no biographical information as such, but you do learn that Elijah paid for a bell in St Peters, for example. A lot of the information in it is centered around his activities as a farmer and his work for St Peters. //Richard

Hi Richard, I also purchased a copy of Mockett's Journal recently. I have to say that although it has a lot of detail in it I was very disappointed with it, it seemed to me to contain a lot of information that wasn't specifically local. It's probably due to the fact that I have always seen Mockett's Journal mentioned but never seen it, my expectations were greater than the product. Having said that I would like to congratulate Michaels Bookshop for making copies of these old books available. Another one I always wanted to see was John Lewis's Antiquities of the Isle of Thanet and the three volumes that Michael produced didn't disappoint. It just goes to show that you cant please everyone. Laurie Bridger

As we seem to have a lot of BUSHELLS floating around, may I add mine to the List. She is Charlotte Ann Bushell [b1850] m. 1872 to John Denn. Any takers ? Dorothy

Whilst on the subject of BUSHELLs, I am descended from Thomas BUSHELL baptised 11th January 1735 in St Nicholas at Wade, son of John and Mary? Would love to hear from any one else interested in this line. Joan.

You say apparently? The dates tie in. I worked backwards so we could see who Ann's parents were. Marriages Dec 1864 Mathews John Thanet 2a 1368 Marriages Dec 1864 Bushell Ann Thanet 2a 1368 1881 Census Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability John MATTHEWS Head M Male 39 Weston, Pembroke, Wales Carpenter & Joiner Ann MATTHEWS Wife M Female 37 Monkton, Kent, England Frederick MATTHEWS Son U Male 15 Ramsgate, Kent, England Carpenters Apprentice Charles MATTHEWS Son U Male 12 Ramsgate, Kent, England Errand Boy Alice MATTHEWS Daur U Female 9 Ramsgate, Kent, England Scholar John MATTHEWS Son U Male 6 Ramsgate, Kent, England Scholar Sydney MATTHEWS Son U Male 2 Ramsgate, Kent, England Jessie MATTHEWS Daur U Female 8 m Ramsgate, Kent, England ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Source Information: Dwelling 8 Paradise Census Place Ramsgate, Kent, England Family History Library Film 1341234 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0987 / 31 Page Number 7 1871 Census Source information: RG10/994 Registration district: Thanet Sub-registration district: Ramsgate ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Folio: 28 Page: 4 Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island 8 Paradise, near Cannon Road Ramsgate, John a Carpenter. John Mathews abt 1842 Wouth Wales, Wales Head Ramsgate Kent Ann Mathews abt 1844 Monkton, Kent, England Wife Ramsgate Kent Chas H Mathews abt 1869 Ramsgate, Kent, England Son Ramsgate Kent Frederick W Mathews abt 1866 Ramsgate, Kent, England Son Ramsgate Kent 1861 Census, Ann Bushell is a servant aged 18 for James Collyer of Minster. Source information: RG9/533 Registration district: Thanet Sub-registration district: Minster ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Folio: 23 Page: 4 1851 Census, Family are in Minster, Thomas a Blacksmith Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island Thomas Bushell abt 1817 Minster in Thanet Head Minster in Thanet Kent Esther Bushell abt 1817 Minster in Thanet Wife Minster in Thanet Kent Mary Bushell abt 1840 Minster in Thanet Daughter Minster in Thanet Kent William Bushell abt 1842 Sturry, Kent, England Son Minster in Thanet Kent Ann Bushell abt 1844 Thanet; Monkton Daughter Minster in Thanet Kent Thomas Bushell abt 1846 Thanet; Monkton Son Minster in Thanet Kent Frank Bushell abt 1848 Thanet; Monkton Son Minster in Thanet Kent Esther Bushell abt 1850 Thanet; Monkton Daughter Minster in Thanet Kent Source information: HO107/1629 Registration district: Thanet Sub-registration district: Minster ED, institution, or vessel: 5a Folio: 90 Page: 17 1861 Census for Parents of Ann Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island Monkton Street. Blacsmith Thomas Bushell abt 1816 Birchington, Kent, England Head Monkton Kent Esther Bushell abt 1816 Minster, Kent, England Wife Monkton Kent Henry Bushell abt 1854 Minster, Kent, England Son Monkton Kent George Bushell abt 1856 Minster, Kent, England Son Monkton Kent John Bushell abt 1856 Minster, Kent, England Son Monkton Kent Ellen B Bushell abt 1860 Monkton, Kent, England Daughter Monkton Kent Source information: RG9/533 Registration district: Thanet Sub-registration district: Minster ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Folio: 48 Page: 4 1881 Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Thomas BUSHELL Head M Male 64 Birchington, Kent, England Blacksmith Esther BUSHELL Wife M Female 64 Minster Thanet, Kent, England John BUSHELL Son U Male 25 Minster Thanet, Kent, England Ag Lab Esther FULLER Grand Daur U Female 15 Herne, Kent, England Servant Out Of Employ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Source Information: Dwelling 4 Main Rd Walters Hall Cottages Census Place Monkton, Kent, England Family History Library Film 1341233 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0983 / 45 Page Number 4 There is a Thomas Bushell baptised Minster 2nd March 1871 to a Mary and Thomas Bushell. But Thomas is also listed on some Census's as born Birchington Thomas married Esther Gore Marriages Jun 1839 GORE Hester Isle of Thanet 5 507 Marriages Jun 1839 BUSHELL Thomas Isle of Thanet 5 507 Thomas died Deaths Dec 1891 Bushell Thomas 75 Thanet 2a 559 Deaths Dec 1894 Bushell Esther 78 Thanet 2a 495 Good luck Suzannah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Lewin" <greg@hawthornsmusic.co.uk> To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [IoT] Bushell - Ramsgate - Margate > Hi, > > Do any of you BUSHELL researchers have a connection to my gggm, ANN BUSHELL b. ab. > 1843 in Monkton and who apparently married John Mathews on 17 Dec, 1864 (no further > details). > > Greg. > > > > > Suzannah, > > > > Re the info we have exchanged on the Bushells over the past week and your > > interest in Margaret BUSHELL. > > > > It might help with Margaret if you check out her grandchildren's names. > > There was a family habit of using maiden surnames as middle names for the > > children (Phillips, Dickinson etc). > > > > I can send you the details if you do not have them already. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/06 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Hi, Do any of you BUSHELL researchers have a connection to my gggm, ANN BUSHELL b. ab. 1843 in Monkton and who apparently married John Mathews on 17 Dec, 1864 (no further details). Greg. > > Suzannah, > > Re the info we have exchanged on the Bushells over the past week and your > interest in Margaret BUSHELL. > > It might help with Margaret if you check out her grandchildren's names. > There was a family habit of using maiden surnames as middle names for the > children (Phillips, Dickinson etc). > > I can send you the details if you do not have them already. > > > Chris >

Its an excellent insight into not just Broadstairs but Thanet. Mine is a copy but still treasured, A must for any lister. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Sandwell" <rsandwell@mentoris.co.uk> To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: [IoT] Mockett's Journal > I got a copy of this on Saturday. > Has anyone else an opinion about it? > > Its been republished by Michael's bookshop > > > //R > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/06 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/06

Unfortunately no ages or family mentioned. Would you still like the write up from the Gazette for the incident? Suzannah > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry Taylor" <trees.taylor@sympatico.ca> > To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 3:03 PM > Subject: [IoT] Thomas Foster Incident > > > > Hi Suzannah, > > > > Would it be possible for you to see if you have anything in your fund of > > knowledge on the incident below? What I would really like to know is the > > age of Thomas. We have 2 Thomas' in the family (uncle and nephew), both > > smack owners and we'd like to know which this was. > > > > Thank you (and anyone else) for any information you can give. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Terry > > > > > > Taylor, F.J. Lance-Corpl. RE. Case 31815 > > On the 1st February 1902, owing to the capsizing of a boat in which he was > > leaving his wrecked smack, Thomas Foster was thrown into the sea at > > Ramsgate. It was very cold and rough at the time. Taylor, at great risk, > > jumped in and was successful in saving him. > > > > >From ROYAL HUMANE SOCIETY BRONZE MEDALS CITATIONS > > TAKEN FROM THE ANNUAL REPORT 1902 > > Compiled by Peter Helmore > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.4/332 - Release Date: 5/4/06 > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/06

I got a copy of this on Saturday. Has anyone else an opinion about it? Its been republished by Michael's bookshop //R

Those Viking descendants seem to have got about!! My father in law was in the Royal Navy, and went to China during the Boxer Rebellions. No doubt many others did so in the preceding centuries. (Reminder - the Viking blood was my MOTHER in law). Perhaps there is a drop of European blood somewhere in Chinese veins? Madie

Pure speculation I would think - I have two crooked little fingers - to the point of being asked if I've broken them in the past (no I haven't). However, (I haven't looked in a while), I seem to recall that there may have been an ancestor somewhere on my mother's side that came from the Isle of Man. Annette M "E. E. Clark" <eec06031@comcast.net> wrote: This will give my husband a laugh. He's having major surgery tomorrow and we all need a good laugh. My husband's grandmother maintained that the crooked little finger indicated that you were definitely descended from her father (who had many concubines!) I couldn't figure out how that meant my husband as his "grandmother" was technically a step-grandmother and there was no blood connection. But now I know it's his Viking blood. How he got that I don't know as he's Chinese :-)) Best wishes Elizabeth Bingmbing@aol.com wrote: >I read the paperback book The Seven Daughters of Eve and found it >fascinating. Most research seems to be based on the Y chromosome of men which is >constant, so the connection to ancient females is fairly new I imagine. >Toyed with sending my DNA to the National Geographic Society's project, but >never did. Thought it would be just my luck to be descended from someone >they have no base for yet, a so-far undiscovered ancient "mother". Read their >website however and follow the trails of DNA as they progress. >Looks as if we all have common genes going back to Africa. >My husband has a crooked little finger, Depuytrens Contracture, which shows >Viking blood apparently. His mother had it too, but didn't know why. She >came from mariners in Broadstairs; and I wonder if any other local families >have it. > Regards, Madie > > > > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

This will give my husband a laugh. He's having major surgery tomorrow and we all need a good laugh. My husband's grandmother maintained that the crooked little finger indicated that you were definitely descended from her father (who had many concubines!) I couldn't figure out how that meant my husband as his "grandmother" was technically a step-grandmother and there was no blood connection. But now I know it's his Viking blood. How he got that I don't know as he's Chinese :-)) Best wishes Elizabeth Bingmbing@aol.com wrote: >I read the paperback book The Seven Daughters of Eve and found it >fascinating. Most research seems to be based on the Y chromosome of men which is >constant, so the connection to ancient females is fairly new I imagine. >Toyed with sending my DNA to the National Geographic Society's project, but >never did. Thought it would be just my luck to be descended from someone >they have no base for yet, a so-far undiscovered ancient "mother". Read their >website however and follow the trails of DNA as they progress. >Looks as if we all have common genes going back to Africa. >My husband has a crooked little finger, Depuytrens Contracture, which shows >Viking blood apparently. His mother had it too, but didn't know why. She >came from mariners in Broadstairs; and I wonder if any other local families >have it. > Regards, Madie > > > >

I read the paperback book The Seven Daughters of Eve and found it fascinating. Most research seems to be based on the Y chromosome of men which is constant, so the connection to ancient females is fairly new I imagine. Toyed with sending my DNA to the National Geographic Society's project, but never did. Thought it would be just my luck to be descended from someone they have no base for yet, a so-far undiscovered ancient "mother". Read their website however and follow the trails of DNA as they progress. Looks as if we all have common genes going back to Africa. My husband has a crooked little finger, Depuytrens Contracture, which shows Viking blood apparently. His mother had it too, but didn't know why. She came from mariners in Broadstairs; and I wonder if any other local families have it. Regards, Madie

The Birchington Heritage Trust will be having a short guided walk of the Mill Row and Mill Lane area of Birchington entitled Up the Mill. The event, led by Pat Orpwood, will take place this Wednesday (10th May 2006) meeting at 6.30pm at the corner of Essex Gardens and Mill Row. The cost of 2.50p, including an illustrated booklet. All Welcome 01843 847843 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/06

Just returned from hols and catching up with all my 300 emails!! But have the following on the Spracklings from a little booklet "The Church of Saint Laurence the Martyr in Thanet" by Eva B. Pilcher - many years old and I guess long out of print. 'The Anonymous Skeleton' Almost all buildings of medieval derivation have a history of some horrific deed or deeds amongst their traditions, and the Church of St. Laurence is no exception. The district of Ellington, now part of the town of Ramsgate, was originally only a small hamlet to the east of the Church, and the site of a gentleman's residence 'Ellington House', which for two centuries prior to 1480 had been in the possession of a family of the same name. It passed in 1558 to a family of the name of SPRACKLING or SPRAKELING and it is ADAM of this ilk who figured in the hideous murder now recounted. During the 1888 restorations of the Church near the N.W. pier of the Tower was discovered the skeleton of a man between 6 and 7ft. in height buried only 18 inches beneath the surface and in a position that was then just a clear space between the pews; there is no entry of his funeral in the Burial Register of the period, although that of his wife is duly recorded. To explain this mysterious gentleman we must refer to a 'tract' (pamphlet) published in 1653 by "one who lives near the Place where the said Murther was committed" ......... and published for the "warning and good of all", which tells in fearsome and gory detail how the said Adam Sprackling mutilated and finally killed his pious and gently wife, together with six of his dogs. He was arrested, tried, found guilty and 'hanged in his cloak', then taken by night to St. Laurence Church where he was buried near his wife, apparently without benefit of clergy or any rite of internment. It has never been proven that this skeleton was indeed Adam Sprackling the murderer, but in view of such facts as are known in all probability it was. For some time after this terrible deed, weird noises were heard in the vicinity of Ellington House which gave rise to the rumours of the 'Ellington Ghost', and the Rev. Matthew Bookey, the then incumbent of St. Laurence, tried, albeit unsuccessfully, to exorcise it. It was not until a later owner's time that these so-called supernatural noises were found to be made by the horses in the farm stables, much amplified by the acoustics of the cellars and other subterranean passages hewn out of the chalk below, probably dug as a cache for the hiding of booty, smuggling being very prevalent at the time. In 1892 the family then owning the land conveyed it to the Burough of Ramsgate for the purpose of a Public Park, and the house and the adjacent buildings were pulled down. Ironically, children now play happily and their parents take their ease in the sun on the very spot upon which this ghastly deed was once perpetrated. It is only a few minutes walk from our ancient Church, and with its flowers and trees is well worth a visit." A ghostly tale and told in such quaint language but I though it was worth passing on. Shame the park no longer has its lovely flower beds that I remember as a child but that's progress and cost cutting for you! I believe I may have an article with more embellishment on the murder but I am still in the turmoil of unpacking and giving the impression that I have taken in washing, so it will have to wait a while. Mo in Yorkshire

I have been one of those hostile invaders from Western Australia.I have been researching my Fathers family(Attwell,Friend,Johncock).My husband aand I just loved Ramsgate and Broadstaires and hope to return again later this year so be perpared for another visit from some not so hostile visitors.And everyone was so lovely and helpfull.Cheers. Barbara.

It could have been St Augistine's at Canterbury. That was a big mental hospital but is no longer there. Sheila ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Corder" <swagsdebbie@bigpond.com> To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 2:02 AM Subject: mental institution > Hi all > just found out Winifred M CORDER born 1921Thanet Ramsgate area died in a > mental institition the snippet of info i got was "She died fairly young in > a menatl Inst"I am thinking probably 30 to 40 as she probably had > Huntingtons Disease. > Her parents being Frederick CORDER and Edith PACKER > Question: where would this place likely to be? and how would I find her > are there online ref to search? > debbie > > ______________________________

Dear James, I am sending you an article on the armorial bearings of Robert, son of Nicholas Sprackling of St Lawrence. Young Adam was noted for his violent outbursts and scandalous behavior. On 11th December 1652, in a drunken frenzy, he stabbed his wife Catherine to death at Ellington House. As the murder was technically outside the boundaries of Ramsgate, Adam was sent for trial at Sandwich. Adam was buried in St Laurence Churchyard, being brought back to Ramsgate under torch light after he was hung in the following April. His ghost and some dogs he also murdered are supposed to haunt the grounds of the site of the old Ellington House, demolished in the late 1800's. Don't have nightmares! Suzannah ----- Original Message ----- From: "james platt" <jamesp006@optusnet.com.au> To: "LAWRENCE BRIDGER" <laurie.bridger@btinternet.com> Cc: "ISLE OF THANET ROOTSWEB" <Isle-of-Thanet-L-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 2:57 AM Subject: Re: [IoT] Ramsgate query > What a shock to a colonial cousin, who appears to have one Titled person in > his family tree > - Sir Adam Sprackling, no less !!, and now I read he murdered his wife !! > Had a bit of a "google" but did not find anything to substantiate this > alleged crime - > Can some-one please advise some on-line references to enable me to check out > this > amazing statement. > My Sir Adam Sprakeling ( Spracklyn ) was born 1552 / Died 07/04/1610 - some > 17 years > before his wife ( Katherine Estday ) who died 1627. He had 17 children, and > there is a brass > rubbing in his local church which names all of them , including his second > son - Adam Sprakeling > > Can someone please sort me out - are my records incorrect, and why is/was > Adam Sprackling > "infamous" > > Any assistance greatly appreciated > > > JAMES > E-MAIL : jamesp006@optusnet.com.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LAWRENCE BRIDGER" <laurie.bridger@btinternet.com> > To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 2:18 AM > Subject: Re: [IoT] Ramsgate query > > > > Hi Stan,, > > > > I've just seen your enquiry regarding Cowells Cottages > > in Ramsgate. I'm sorry that I am unable to give you > > any definite information on the cottages but I wonder > > if you are aware that in the 18th century the Cowell > > family were quite large landowners in Thanet, > > especially in Margate, but some in Ramsgate. They are > > connected to the Troward family who lived at Manston, > > through marriage. The Troward family also leased the > > Ellington Estate after the infamous Adam Sprackling > > had murdered his wife there in 1652. At the trial one > > of the witnesses was named as Joseph Cowell, tenant of > > Adam Sprackling. Perhaps it is possible that the > > workers cottages on the estate were known as Cowells > > Cottages from this association. > > > > My interest stems from my local history research into > > the village of Garlinge, Margate; the Cowell family > > held some land in Garlinge. I just thought it may be a > > possible answer to your enquiry. > > > > Laurie Bridger. > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/06 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/06