I'm pretty sure about the Wayhall/Wales connection now. I just found the baptism of Nathanael Wales, son of John and Hannah Wales on 7 Nov 1738. The name really gets passed down the generations! Kya --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

I forgot to mention that at his baptism, John Whales was named John Wale, as was his father Nathaniel Wale. Hence the step from Wayhall to W(h)ale(s). Kya --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

I have heard the same thing. So I don't discount it one way or another. And it's been a while since I shot anybody ;o) Kya I still miss my ex .... but my aim is getting better! Misterchris4686@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/05/2006 15:47:15 GMT Standard Time, litsehimmel@yahoo.com writes: John was obviously born either VERY premature, or it was a so-called 'shotgun' wedding. Another possibility, which did occur in those times, was that Nathaniel first wanted to be sure that his future wife could bear children. I haven't found any other children yet, but who knows. I have been told by someone who claims to know about these things that if, in past history, one was a MAN of property the said property could not pass to a female. It was up to the lady to 'prove' she was able to conceive a son and this is where betrothal/engagement originated. It was customary to give the lady two chances to produce a son and heir but if she failed she was discarded and the man found another. When he had 'success' he married the lady! With the benefit of the advancement of medical knowledge these actions were completely without foundation. As I said, I believe this to be true but don't shoot me if you know better! Chris --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

Fellow W(h)ales researchers ... Based on the info I was sent by our dear full-time researcher Suzannah ;o) I have delved a bit further into the origins of the W(h)ales families. And I have possibly discovered some interesting facts, which unfortunately came form the Family Search website, and therefor need to be verified by baptism records and such. However ... The earliest marriage mentioned in Suzannah's info was that of John Whales and Mary Edgerton, married 05 Nov 1704 at St. John's Margate. Suzannah knows of one son named John, whose birth she estimated at 1705. Looking for John's birth at the FS website I found him, bapt. 8 Dec 1706 at St. John's. The records further showed that John and Mary had (at least) 3 other children: Nathaniel ((1713) Mary (1718) and William (1718). Mary and William were baptised on the same day, which might have made them twins. Back-tracking even further I found a John Whale who was baptised 07 Nov 1680 at Monkton, Thanet. Normally I would dismiss such info as the two places are pretty far apart, but this John was the son of ... Nathaniel Whale! His mother was mentioned as Sarah. I then found a marriage for a Nathaniel WAYHALL with Sarah Knatt on 12 April 1680 at Minster on Thanet. It is a very short leap from the pronunciation of Wayhall to Whale. At least I feel pretty good about this. And Minster and Monkton are fairly close to eachother. Also, there are several other marriages listed in Minster for the names Whales, Walls and Wales. John was obviously born either VERY premature, or it was a so-called 'shotgun' wedding. Another possibility, which did occur in those times, was that Nathaniel first wanted to be sure that his future wife could bear children. I haven't found any other children yet, but who knows. Does anybody care to comment on this supposition of mine? Warm regards, Kya Milo --------------------------------- Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase

If my arms were a little (ahem) longer I'd hug you! THANKS!! Kya "suzannah.foad" <suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saskia Steinhorst" To: Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [IoT] Grotto House - Stephen Wales Margate > Intruiging! > > I have my great-whatever-grandfather James W(h)ales (poss. bapt. 11 Febr 1844 at St. John's; died after 1901?) tentatively listed as being the son of John Foster Wales and Mary Ann Appleton. Tentatively, as he names his first two sons Henry and Walter, whose names I haven't been able to retrace yet. In 1870 James married Hannah Whales, daughter of James Whales and Esther Jarman. > > John Foster Wales also supposedly was the son of James W(h)ales and Hannah Foster. If his brother was Stephen Savin, then I guess James W(h)ales probably was the son of William W(h)ales and Ann Savin (also named Swan). > > I know William and Ann had a daughter named Ann Savin W(h)ales, who was baptised 15 april 1770 at St. John's. So John (the eldest?) son was given his mother's maiden name, and Stephen (the 2nd son?) his grandmother's maiden name. Know anything else about this family? > > Warm regards, > > Kya Milo > > "suzannah.foad" wrote: James Whales and Hannah Foster who married 1797 St Peter's > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Saskia Steinhorst" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: [IoT] Grotto House - Stephen Wales Margate > > > > Ok, thanks. Any idea whose son he was? > > > > Kya > > > > "suzannah.foad" wrote: Oooops Stephen > Savin Wales 20th Sept 1812 - 16th July 1840 married Sarah > > Rolfe 1835. > > Either way, he had no hand in the Grotto, just helped with Grotto house. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Saskia Steinhorst" > > > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [IoT] Grotto House - Stephen Wales Margate > > > > > > > Ok, I'm a bit late in responding (holidays you know ... such a chore > ;o) > > but which Stephen Wales are we talking about here: the son of John Foster > > Wales and Mary Ann Appleton, born 1843? Or somebody else alltogether? > > > > > > Kya > > > > > > "suzannah.foad" wrote: Grotto House is in > > Margate High Street behind Barclays Bank and its back > > > fronts onto Albert Terrace. > > > A famous lady/actress lived there in the 19th century (Can't think off > top > > > of my head) and Stephen Wales placed a few shell panels into her > basement > > so > > > she could worship, something like that. > > > I of course, have a copy of the article which is floating round and it > was > > > compiled by Mick Twyman of the Margate Historical Society. > > > It all came to light when Dr Alan Kay was disputing and seen in some > eyes > > as > > > mocking the Shell Grotto on TV!!, (hardly going to bring the visitors > > > flocking in,)saying Stephen Wales had placed the panels in the Shell > > Grotto. > > > But, the Shell Grotto was rediscovered in 1837 by a son of James Newlove > > at > > > the rear of his School in the Dane, and our Stephen Wales was not born > > till > > > 1841! > > > > > > So, it transpired that Stephen Wales placed the panels in the Grotto > House > > > in Margate High Street and had nothing what so ever to do with the Shell > > > Grotto. Dr Alan Kay was proved wrong again and the wonderful Mick Twyman > > has > > > hit upon something wonderful with the Knights Templar's, who although a > > > secret society, have helped him with his research. Mick will finally get > > the > > > recognition for his near enough life's work on the subject. > > > > > > Will find the article x > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Linda Wales" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:06 PM > > > Subject: [IoT] Grotto House > > > > > > > > > > I have just found a pencilled note on the back of a piece of paper > with > > no > > > source noted against it (I'm sure other members of the List NEVER do > > things > > > like this) it says: > > > > > > > > Stephen Wales - Grotto House story. > > > > > > > > At the time I wrote the note, we had no Stephen in our branch, but now > > of > > > course I have found one, and would dearly love to know the meaning of my > > > cryptic note!! Any suggestions? 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Of course I made a boo-boo here, and I meant Stephen, not James who was the son of John Foster and Mary Ann Appleton and married Esther Jarman. :( Saskia Steinhorst <litsehimmel@yahoo.com> wrote: Intruiging! I have my great-whatever-grandfather James W(h)ales (poss. bapt. 11 Febr 1844 at St. John's; died after 1901?) tentatively listed as being the son of John Foster Wales and Mary Ann Appleton. Tentatively, as he names his first two sons Henry and Walter, whose names I haven't been able to retrace yet. In 1870 James married Hannah Whales, daughter of James Whales and Esther Jarman. John Foster Wales also supposedly was the son of James W(h)ales and Hannah Foster. If his brother was Stephen Savin, then I guess James W(h)ales probably was the son of William W(h)ales and Ann Savin (also named Swan). I know William and Ann had a daughter named Ann Savin W(h)ales, who was baptised 15 april 1770 at St. John's. So John (the eldest?) son was given his mother's maiden name, and Stephen (the 2nd son?) his grandmother's maiden name. Know anything else about this family? Warm regards, Kya Milo "suzannah.foad" wrote: James Whales and Hannah Foster who married 1797 St Peter's ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saskia Steinhorst" To: Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [IoT] Grotto House - Stephen Wales Margate > Ok, thanks. Any idea whose son he was? > > Kya > > "suzannah.foad" wrote: Oooops Stephen Savin Wales 20th Sept 1812 - 16th July 1840 married Sarah > Rolfe 1835. > Either way, he had no hand in the Grotto, just helped with Grotto house. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Saskia Steinhorst" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:37 AM > Subject: Re: [IoT] Grotto House - Stephen Wales Margate > > > > Ok, I'm a bit late in responding (holidays you know ... such a chore ;o) > but which Stephen Wales are we talking about here: the son of John Foster > Wales and Mary Ann Appleton, born 1843? Or somebody else alltogether? > > > > Kya > > > > "suzannah.foad" wrote: Grotto House is in > Margate High Street behind Barclays Bank and its back > > fronts onto Albert Terrace. > > A famous lady/actress lived there in the 19th century (Can't think off top > > of my head) and Stephen Wales placed a few shell panels into her basement > so > > she could worship, something like that. > > I of course, have a copy of the article which is floating round and it was > > compiled by Mick Twyman of the Margate Historical Society. > > It all came to light when Dr Alan Kay was disputing and seen in some eyes > as > > mocking the Shell Grotto on TV!!, (hardly going to bring the visitors > > flocking in,)saying Stephen Wales had placed the panels in the Shell > Grotto. > > But, the Shell Grotto was rediscovered in 1837 by a son of James Newlove > at > > the rear of his School in the Dane, and our Stephen Wales was not born > till > > 1841! > > > > So, it transpired that Stephen Wales placed the panels in the Grotto House > > in Margate High Street and had nothing what so ever to do with the Shell > > Grotto. Dr Alan Kay was proved wrong again and the wonderful Mick Twyman > has > > hit upon something wonderful with the Knights Templar's, who although a > > secret society, have helped him with his research. Mick will finally get > the > > recognition for his near enough life's work on the subject. > > > > Will find the article x > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Linda Wales" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:06 PM > > Subject: [IoT] Grotto House > > > > > > > I have just found a pencilled note on the back of a piece of paper with > no > > source noted against it (I'm sure other members of the List NEVER do > things > > like this) it says: > > > > > > Stephen Wales - Grotto House story. > > > > > > At the time I wrote the note, we had no Stephen in our branch, but now > of > > course I have found one, and would dearly love to know the meaning of my > > cryptic note!! Any suggestions? Linda > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.2/329 - Release Date: 5/2/06 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.2/329 - Release Date: 5/2/06 > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save > big. > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 5/10/06 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 5/10/06 > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. 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Intruiging! I have my great-whatever-grandfather James W(h)ales (poss. bapt. 11 Febr 1844 at St. John's; died after 1901?) tentatively listed as being the son of John Foster Wales and Mary Ann Appleton. Tentatively, as he names his first two sons Henry and Walter, whose names I haven't been able to retrace yet. In 1870 James married Hannah Whales, daughter of James Whales and Esther Jarman. John Foster Wales also supposedly was the son of James W(h)ales and Hannah Foster. If his brother was Stephen Savin, then I guess James W(h)ales probably was the son of William W(h)ales and Ann Savin (also named Swan). I know William and Ann had a daughter named Ann Savin W(h)ales, who was baptised 15 april 1770 at St. John's. So John (the eldest?) son was given his mother's maiden name, and Stephen (the 2nd son?) his grandmother's maiden name. Know anything else about this family? Warm regards, Kya Milo "suzannah.foad" <suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com> wrote: James Whales and Hannah Foster who married 1797 St Peter's ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saskia Steinhorst" To: Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [IoT] Grotto House - Stephen Wales Margate > Ok, thanks. Any idea whose son he was? > > Kya > > "suzannah.foad" wrote: Oooops Stephen Savin Wales 20th Sept 1812 - 16th July 1840 married Sarah > Rolfe 1835. > Either way, he had no hand in the Grotto, just helped with Grotto house. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Saskia Steinhorst" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:37 AM > Subject: Re: [IoT] Grotto House - Stephen Wales Margate > > > > Ok, I'm a bit late in responding (holidays you know ... such a chore ;o) > but which Stephen Wales are we talking about here: the son of John Foster > Wales and Mary Ann Appleton, born 1843? Or somebody else alltogether? > > > > Kya > > > > "suzannah.foad" wrote: Grotto House is in > Margate High Street behind Barclays Bank and its back > > fronts onto Albert Terrace. > > A famous lady/actress lived there in the 19th century (Can't think off top > > of my head) and Stephen Wales placed a few shell panels into her basement > so > > she could worship, something like that. > > I of course, have a copy of the article which is floating round and it was > > compiled by Mick Twyman of the Margate Historical Society. > > It all came to light when Dr Alan Kay was disputing and seen in some eyes > as > > mocking the Shell Grotto on TV!!, (hardly going to bring the visitors > > flocking in,)saying Stephen Wales had placed the panels in the Shell > Grotto. > > But, the Shell Grotto was rediscovered in 1837 by a son of James Newlove > at > > the rear of his School in the Dane, and our Stephen Wales was not born > till > > 1841! > > > > So, it transpired that Stephen Wales placed the panels in the Grotto House > > in Margate High Street and had nothing what so ever to do with the Shell > > Grotto. Dr Alan Kay was proved wrong again and the wonderful Mick Twyman > has > > hit upon something wonderful with the Knights Templar's, who although a > > secret society, have helped him with his research. Mick will finally get > the > > recognition for his near enough life's work on the subject. > > > > Will find the article x > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Linda Wales" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:06 PM > > Subject: [IoT] Grotto House > > > > > > > I have just found a pencilled note on the back of a piece of paper with > no > > source noted against it (I'm sure other members of the List NEVER do > things > > like this) it says: > > > > > > Stephen Wales - Grotto House story. > > > > > > At the time I wrote the note, we had no Stephen in our branch, but now > of > > course I have found one, and would dearly love to know the meaning of my > > cryptic note!! Any suggestions? Linda > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.2/329 - Release Date: 5/2/06 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.2/329 - Release Date: 5/2/06 > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save > big. > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 5/10/06 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 5/10/06 > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. 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Thank you for the genealogical data. I have an earlier Daborn-Street(e) connection, but am as of yet not certain where it fits into my tree. Maybe your info will help with that ;o) Warm regards, Kya Milo Andrew Bowling <andrew@usuireiki.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: Hi Kya I received another enquiry about Daborn's from the list. I attach what I have from my tree, I had nothing to do with the research so cannot give more detail. Andy Saskia Steinhorst wrote: Okidoki. I'll be gone all of next week so don't hurry ;o) Kya andrew bowling <andpambowling@googlemail.com> wrote: Hi Saskia I think maybe I am connected, I need to contact my cousins in New Zealand. There is certainly a strong connection through my mothers family the CRATE'S with the DABORN families. I will get back to you. Andy Bowling On 29/04/06, Saskia Steinhorst <litsehimmel@yahoo.com> wrote: Anyone interested in the DABORN family ... this is probably one of them! Kya (descended from John Daborn, burried June 15 1665 in Woking, 300 years TO THE DAY that I was born ;o) "suzannah.foad" < suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com> wrote: In loving memory of William Henry DARBORN Who died March 27th 1943 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/06 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/326 - Release Date: 27/04/2006 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

Ok, thanks. Any idea whose son he was? Kya "suzannah.foad" <suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com> wrote: Oooops Stephen Savin Wales 20th Sept 1812 - 16th July 1840 married Sarah Rolfe 1835. Either way, he had no hand in the Grotto, just helped with Grotto house. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saskia Steinhorst" To: Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [IoT] Grotto House - Stephen Wales Margate > Ok, I'm a bit late in responding (holidays you know ... such a chore ;o) but which Stephen Wales are we talking about here: the son of John Foster Wales and Mary Ann Appleton, born 1843? Or somebody else alltogether? > > Kya > > "suzannah.foad" wrote: Grotto House is in Margate High Street behind Barclays Bank and its back > fronts onto Albert Terrace. > A famous lady/actress lived there in the 19th century (Can't think off top > of my head) and Stephen Wales placed a few shell panels into her basement so > she could worship, something like that. > I of course, have a copy of the article which is floating round and it was > compiled by Mick Twyman of the Margate Historical Society. > It all came to light when Dr Alan Kay was disputing and seen in some eyes as > mocking the Shell Grotto on TV!!, (hardly going to bring the visitors > flocking in,)saying Stephen Wales had placed the panels in the Shell Grotto. > But, the Shell Grotto was rediscovered in 1837 by a son of James Newlove at > the rear of his School in the Dane, and our Stephen Wales was not born till > 1841! > > So, it transpired that Stephen Wales placed the panels in the Grotto House > in Margate High Street and had nothing what so ever to do with the Shell > Grotto. Dr Alan Kay was proved wrong again and the wonderful Mick Twyman has > hit upon something wonderful with the Knights Templar's, who although a > secret society, have helped him with his research. Mick will finally get the > recognition for his near enough life's work on the subject. > > Will find the article x > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Wales" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:06 PM > Subject: [IoT] Grotto House > > > > I have just found a pencilled note on the back of a piece of paper with no > source noted against it (I'm sure other members of the List NEVER do things > like this) it says: > > > > Stephen Wales - Grotto House story. > > > > At the time I wrote the note, we had no Stephen in our branch, but now of > course I have found one, and would dearly love to know the meaning of my > cryptic note!! Any suggestions? Linda > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.2/329 - Release Date: 5/2/06 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.2/329 - Release Date: 5/2/06 > > > > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 5/10/06 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 5/10/06 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

Ok, I'm a bit late in responding (holidays you know ... such a chore ;o) but which Stephen Wales are we talking about here: the son of John Foster Wales and Mary Ann Appleton, born 1843? Or somebody else alltogether? Kya "suzannah.foad" <suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com> wrote: Grotto House is in Margate High Street behind Barclays Bank and its back fronts onto Albert Terrace. A famous lady/actress lived there in the 19th century (Can't think off top of my head) and Stephen Wales placed a few shell panels into her basement so she could worship, something like that. I of course, have a copy of the article which is floating round and it was compiled by Mick Twyman of the Margate Historical Society. It all came to light when Dr Alan Kay was disputing and seen in some eyes as mocking the Shell Grotto on TV!!, (hardly going to bring the visitors flocking in,)saying Stephen Wales had placed the panels in the Shell Grotto. But, the Shell Grotto was rediscovered in 1837 by a son of James Newlove at the rear of his School in the Dane, and our Stephen Wales was not born till 1841! So, it transpired that Stephen Wales placed the panels in the Grotto House in Margate High Street and had nothing what so ever to do with the Shell Grotto. Dr Alan Kay was proved wrong again and the wonderful Mick Twyman has hit upon something wonderful with the Knights Templar's, who although a secret society, have helped him with his research. Mick will finally get the recognition for his near enough life's work on the subject. Will find the article x ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Wales" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: [IoT] Grotto House > I have just found a pencilled note on the back of a piece of paper with no source noted against it (I'm sure other members of the List NEVER do things like this) it says: > > Stephen Wales - Grotto House story. > > At the time I wrote the note, we had no Stephen in our branch, but now of course I have found one, and would dearly love to know the meaning of my cryptic note!! Any suggestions? Linda > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.2/329 - Release Date: 5/2/06 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.2/329 - Release Date: 5/2/06 --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.

Gallant Rescue at Ramsgate Thrilling scenes of shipwreck and heroism were witnessed by thousands of spectators at Ramsgate on Saturday afternoon. A great gale was blowing from the North East and a rough water extended from the Harbour wall to the dreaded Goodwin's, when the fishing smack "Lottie" endeavoured to return to port. She had onboard her owner and skipper Thomas Foster and a crew of two mean and a boy. At Lat the "Lottie" struck stern first and drove up under a cliff, the skipper and crew took to a small boat and managed to reach the Pier where the second hand and cabin boy were safely dragged to land. As Skipper Foster was attempting to grasp the rope, however, a heavy sea swamped the boat and swept him away. Attired in oil skins and heavy sea boots and already exhausted from cold and fatigue, his fate seemed to be sealed when a Corporal of the Royal Engineers, belonging to Ramsgate, named Frederick Taylor, went to the rescue. The plucky young fellow at first essayed to jump over the Pier without any rope about him but was restrained until a line had been made fast under his armpits. He then sprang into the boiling surf and came up just behind the drowning man and swam with him to the Pier amid much excitement. Another rope was thrown but Taylor's hands were too numb to make it fast, and all he could do was twist his won rope round Foster. The two men were then hauled up, but Foster being insecurely fastened, slipped back with his who;le weight onto the rescuer and both were precipitated back into the boiling surf again. An agonizing period followed. There is a projection from the wall. beyond which it was found impossible to drag the two men round, whose strength was nearly gone. Some plucky smacksmen however, climbed over and secured Foster properly and then both were hoisted onto the Pier amid loud cheers. Subscriptions are being collected to suitably reward the gallant young lance corporal for his heroic feat. Taylor has only just recently returned from South Africa where he had been invalided home suffering from the effects of Enteric, and this makes his conspicuous act of gallantry all the more heroic. It is to be hoped he will suffer no ill effects from the immersion and exposure and the medical gentleman in charge of him has written to the authorities declining to let him return to his Regiment, his leave having expired on Sunday, for at least another 14 days. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Taylor" <trees.taylor@sympatico.ca> To: "suzannah.foad" <suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:19 PM Subject: RE: [IoT] Thomas Foster Incident 1902 > Suzannah you're a gem! I'd love the write-up. I think I have solved which > Thomas it was from another source, but it would be great to see the Gazette > info. > > Many thanks, > > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: suzannah.foad [mailto:suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com] > Sent: May 8, 2006 11:48 > To: Terry Taylor > Cc: Isle Thanet > Subject: Re: [IoT] Thomas Foster Incident 1902 > > > Unfortunately no ages or family mentioned. > Would you still like the write up from the Gazette for the incident? > Suzannah > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Terry Taylor" <trees.taylor@sympatico.ca> > > To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 3:03 PM > > Subject: [IoT] Thomas Foster Incident > > > > > > > Hi Suzannah, > > > > > > Would it be possible for you to see if you have anything in your fund of > > > knowledge on the incident below? What I would really like to know is > the > > > age of Thomas. We have 2 Thomas' in the family (uncle and nephew), both > > > smack owners and we'd like to know which this was. > > > > > > Thank you (and anyone else) for any information you can give. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Terry > > > > > > > > > Taylor, F.J. Lance-Corpl. RE. Case 31815 > > > On the 1st February 1902, owing to the capsizing of a boat in which he > was > > > leaving his wrecked smack, Thomas Foster was thrown into the sea at > > > Ramsgate. It was very cold and rough at the time. Taylor, at great risk, > > > jumped in and was successful in saving him. > > > > > > >From ROYAL HUMANE SOCIETY BRONZE MEDALS CITATIONS > > > TAKEN FROM THE ANNUAL REPORT 1902 > > > Compiled by Peter Helmore > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.4/332 - Release Date: 5/4/06 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/06 > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/06 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: 5/9/06

Back to Thanet now please guys! DNA, crooked fingers and plain bonkers off list please.!!!! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: 5/9/06

What about those of us decentant from aliens as no earthly decendants can be found? Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "PJK :o))" <pat@kendell.freeserve.co.uk> To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [IoT] Isle of early civilizations and hostile invaders - DNA projects > We girls are clever, but we're not THAT clever !!! :o) > > Pat.xxx :o)) > A Maid of Kent > > I found it amusing that recently, one scientist claimed that we are all > descended from one woman, who he called Eve with surprising originality - > and that Adam came along 40,000 years later. Er, I thought mankind > required > a male and a female to reproduce, or was Eve over 40,000 years old when > she > started having children?! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E. E. Clark" <eec06031@comcast.net> > To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: [IoT] Isle of early civilizations and hostile invaders - DNA > projects > > > > This will give my husband a laugh. He's having major surgery tomorrow > and > > we all need a good laugh. > > > > My husband's grandmother maintained that the crooked little finger > > indicated that you were definitely descended from her father (who had > many > > concubines!) I couldn't figure out how that meant my husband as his > > "grandmother" was technically a step-grandmother and there was no blood > > connection. But now I know it's his Viking blood. How he got that I > don't > > know as he's Chinese :-)) > > > > Best wishes > > > > Elizabeth > > > > Bingmbing@aol.com wrote: > > > >>I read the paperback book The Seven Daughters of Eve and found it > >>fascinating. Most research seems to be based on the Y chromosome of > men > >>which is constant, so the connection to ancient females is fairly new I > >>imagine. > >>Toyed with sending my DNA to the National Geographic Society's project, > >>but never did. Thought it would be just my luck to be descended from > >>someone they have no base for yet, a so-far undiscovered ancient > >>"mother". Read their website however and follow the trails of DNA as > >>they progress. Looks as if we all have common genes going back to > Africa. > >>My husband has a crooked little finger, Depuytrens Contracture, which > >>shows Viking blood apparently. His mother had it too, but didn't know > >>why. She came from mariners in Broadstairs; and I wonder if any > other > >>local families have it. > >> Regards, Madie > >> > >> > > > > ______________________________ > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 08/05/2006 > > > > >

Many thanks again to the WONDERFUL Suzannah. If anyone on the list is connected to Frederick Taylor, I hope they know what a hero he was! Best wishes, Terry Gallant Rescue at Ramsgate Thrilling scenes of shipwreck and heroism were witnessed by thousands of spectators at Ramsgate on Saturday afternoon. A great gale was blowing from the North East and a rough water extended from the Harbour wall to the dreaded Goodwin's, when the fishing smack "Lottie" endeavoured to return to port. She had onboard her owner and skipper Thomas Foster and a crew of two mean and a boy. At Lat the "Lottie" struck stern first and drove up under a cliff, the skipper and crew took to a small boat and managed to reach the Pier where the second hand and cabin boy were safely dragged to land. As Skipper Foster was attempting to grasp the rope, however, a heavy sea swamped the boat and swept him away. Attired in oil skins and heavy sea boots and already exhausted from cold and fatigue, his fate seemed to be sealed when a Corporal of the Royal Engineers, belonging to Ramsgate, named Frederick Taylor, went to the rescue. The plucky young fellow at first essayed to jump over the Pier without any rope about him but was restrained until a line had been made fast under his armpits. He then sprang into the boiling surf and came up just behind the drowning man and swam with him to the Pier amid much excitement. Another rope was thrown but Taylor's hands were too numb to make it fast, and all he could do was twist his won rope round Foster. The two men were then hauled up, but Foster being insecurely fastened, slipped back with his who;le weight onto the rescuer and both were precipitated back into the boiling surf again. An agonizing period followed. There is a projection from the wall. beyond which it was found impossible to drag the two men round, whose strength was nearly gone. Some plucky smacksmen however, climbed over and secured Foster properly and then both were hoisted onto the Pier amid loud cheers. Subscriptions are being collected to suitably reward the gallant young lance corporal for his heroic feat. Taylor has only just recently returned from South Africa where he had been invalided home suffering from the effects of Enteric, and this makes his conspicuous act of gallantry all the more heroic. It is to be hoped he will suffer no ill effects from the immersion and exposure and the medical gentleman in charge of him has written to the authorities declining to let him return to his Regiment, his leave having expired on Sunday, for at least another 14 days.

The Viking finger is caused by the tendon shortening from the little finger right down the centre of the hand. I know someone who had the two outer fingers on both hands affected. Madie

I read recently that the Mayas thought they originated from the Black Hole in the Milky Way. Time our scientists explored that part of the universe, as none of the obvious places seem inhabited. Madie

Hi All Before this thread gets banned, I,d like to add to the crooked finger bit, Donkeys years ago I severed the tendons (guides) in my left hand in an accident, to the little finger and the wedding shackle finger. I had a operation to repair them , of 7 hours length, however it became apparent that the little finger was a bit on the slack side ,and still could not be bought back up into a straight hand position, leaving me with a bent little finger. When I eventually married (after a long time!, I was a flower power hippy), and had a son and daughter. My son on birth had his left little finger bent down like mine,as was my daughters, and when my grandchildren were born , they too had that same bent little finger, which means that as I had not inherited my bent little finger, it seems that my children and grandchildren have done so,strange. gary hodge ----- Original Message ----- From: "PJK :o))" <pat@kendell.freeserve.co.uk> To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [IoT] Isle of early civilizations and hostile invaders - DNA projects > Hmmm. This is true. We all have some who must have beamed in from outer > space or been abducted by aliens cos we can't find them !! > > Pat.xxx :o)) > A Maid of Kent > > > What about those of us decentant from aliens as no earthly decendants can > be > found? > Debbie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PJK :o))" <pat@kendell.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: [IoT] Isle of early civilizations and hostile invaders - DNA > projects > > > > We girls are clever, but we're not THAT clever !!! :o) > > > > Pat.xxx :o)) > > A Maid of Kent > > > > I found it amusing that recently, one scientist claimed that we are > all > > descended from one woman, who he called Eve with surprising > originality - > > and that Adam came along 40,000 years later. Er, I thought mankind > > required > > a male and a female to reproduce, or was Eve over 40,000 years old > when > > she > > started having children?! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "E. E. Clark" <eec06031@comcast.net> > > To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [IoT] Isle of early civilizations and hostile invaders - > DNA > > projects > > > > > > > This will give my husband a laugh. He's having major surgery > tomorrow > > and > > > we all need a good laugh. > > > > > > My husband's grandmother maintained that the crooked little finger > > > indicated that you were definitely descended from her father (who > had > > many > > > concubines!) I couldn't figure out how that meant my husband as his > > > "grandmother" was technically a step-grandmother and there was no > blood > > > connection. But now I know it's his Viking blood. How he got that I > > don't > > > know as he's Chinese :-)) > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Elizabeth > > > > > > Bingmbing@aol.com wrote: > > > > > >>I read the paperback book The Seven Daughters of Eve and found it > > >>fascinating. Most research seems to be based on the Y chromosome of > > men > > >>which is constant, so the connection to ancient females is fairly > new I > > >>imagine. > > >>Toyed with sending my DNA to the National Geographic Society's > project, > > >>but never did. Thought it would be just my luck to be descended > from > > >>someone they have no base for yet, a so-far undiscovered ancient > > >>"mother". Read their website however and follow the trails of DNA > as > > >>they progress. Looks as if we all have common genes going back to > > Africa. > > >>My husband has a crooked little finger, Depuytrens Contracture, > which > > >>shows Viking blood apparently. His mother had it too, but didn't > know > > >>why. She came from mariners in Broadstairs; and I wonder if any > > other > > >>local families have it. > > >> Regards, Madie > > >> > > >> > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: > 08/05/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 08/05/2006 > >

Hmmm. This is true. We all have some who must have beamed in from outer space or been abducted by aliens cos we can't find them !! Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent What about those of us decentant from aliens as no earthly decendants can be found? Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "PJK :o))" <pat@kendell.freeserve.co.uk> To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [IoT] Isle of early civilizations and hostile invaders - DNA projects > We girls are clever, but we're not THAT clever !!! :o) > > Pat.xxx :o)) > A Maid of Kent > > I found it amusing that recently, one scientist claimed that we are all > descended from one woman, who he called Eve with surprising originality - > and that Adam came along 40,000 years later. Er, I thought mankind > required > a male and a female to reproduce, or was Eve over 40,000 years old when > she > started having children?! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E. E. Clark" <eec06031@comcast.net> > To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: [IoT] Isle of early civilizations and hostile invaders - DNA > projects > > > > This will give my husband a laugh. He's having major surgery tomorrow > and > > we all need a good laugh. > > > > My husband's grandmother maintained that the crooked little finger > > indicated that you were definitely descended from her father (who had > many > > concubines!) I couldn't figure out how that meant my husband as his > > "grandmother" was technically a step-grandmother and there was no blood > > connection. But now I know it's his Viking blood. How he got that I > don't > > know as he's Chinese :-)) > > > > Best wishes > > > > Elizabeth > > > > Bingmbing@aol.com wrote: > > > >>I read the paperback book The Seven Daughters of Eve and found it > >>fascinating. Most research seems to be based on the Y chromosome of > men > >>which is constant, so the connection to ancient females is fairly new I > >>imagine. > >>Toyed with sending my DNA to the National Geographic Society's project, > >>but never did. Thought it would be just my luck to be descended from > >>someone they have no base for yet, a so-far undiscovered ancient > >>"mother". Read their website however and follow the trails of DNA as > >>they progress. Looks as if we all have common genes going back to > Africa. > >>My husband has a crooked little finger, Depuytrens Contracture, which > >>shows Viking blood apparently. His mother had it too, but didn't know > >>why. She came from mariners in Broadstairs; and I wonder if any > other > >>local families have it. > >> Regards, Madie > >> > >> > > > > ______________________________ > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 08/05/2006 > > > > >

Can anyone tell me who were the parents of the John Mockett who wrote this? Also does it have much biographical information regarding members of his family? Thanks Kerrie Stewart

We girls are clever, but we're not THAT clever !!! :o) Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent I found it amusing that recently, one scientist claimed that we are all descended from one woman, who he called Eve with surprising originality - and that Adam came along 40,000 years later. Er, I thought mankind required a male and a female to reproduce, or was Eve over 40,000 years old when she started having children?! ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. E. Clark" <eec06031@comcast.net> To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [IoT] Isle of early civilizations and hostile invaders - DNA projects > This will give my husband a laugh. He's having major surgery tomorrow and > we all need a good laugh. > > My husband's grandmother maintained that the crooked little finger > indicated that you were definitely descended from her father (who had many > concubines!) I couldn't figure out how that meant my husband as his > "grandmother" was technically a step-grandmother and there was no blood > connection. But now I know it's his Viking blood. How he got that I don't > know as he's Chinese :-)) > > Best wishes > > Elizabeth > > Bingmbing@aol.com wrote: > >>I read the paperback book The Seven Daughters of Eve and found it >>fascinating. Most research seems to be based on the Y chromosome of men >>which is constant, so the connection to ancient females is fairly new I >>imagine. >>Toyed with sending my DNA to the National Geographic Society's project, >>but never did. Thought it would be just my luck to be descended from >>someone they have no base for yet, a so-far undiscovered ancient >>"mother". Read their website however and follow the trails of DNA as >>they progress. Looks as if we all have common genes going back to Africa. >>My husband has a crooked little finger, Depuytrens Contracture, which >>shows Viking blood apparently. His mother had it too, but didn't know >>why. She came from mariners in Broadstairs; and I wonder if any other >>local families have it. >> Regards, Madie >> >> > > ______________________________ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 08/05/2006