I am looking for some Giles's notably Charles Giles, Born 1842 and Charles Giles Born 1870, Charles Born 1842 married a Julia Sackett And Charles Giles born 1870 married a Anna Plumb. Anyone have any info? Jake

Thanks for that Suzannah. My husband has Savins in his family and although I don't have Mary in the database - yet! - I feel sure there is a link somewhere. Best wishes Sheila ----- Original Message ----- From: "suzannah.foad" <suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com> To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: Murder of Mary Savin, Misnter 1786 > Daily Universal Register > (London, Middlesex and England) > July 13th 1786 > > Canterbury, 11th July, Last week John Williams was taken at New Romney, > and > on Sunday last was brought to the City, and examined before one of the > County Justices, who committed him to St Dunstan's Gaol, being charged on > the oaths of John sawyer and William SLADDEN and of his own voluntary > confession of having with others unknown) killed and murdered a woman by > the > name of Mary SAVIN at the Parish of Minster in the Isle of Thanet, in this > County, on the 20th of June last, about ten o'clock in the evening. Two > other men have since been taken up on suspicion. > > The above John Williams is a native of Wingham, a most atrocious offender, > having been twice committed to St Dunstan's gaol for different offences. > The > two men taken on suspicion are servants belonging to some principle > farmers > in the Isle of Thanet, who yesterday attended, when the men were re- > examined; in the course of which, an alibi was clearly proved and they > were > accordingly discharged. > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 5/14/06 >

No Problem. ;o) Just too bad I couldn't really help out here. Kya Paul Bishop <paul.bishop19@btinternet.com> wrote: Saskia Have been away for the weekend, but just wanted to say thanks for the trouble you have gone to. Regards Paul Bishop --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

Hi June. I'm not sure whether this is the same couple, as the children I found were al baptised at Margate, but families did move around in those times. Otherwise it might be a cousin to your Nathaniel. I have the following: Nathaniel Wales (of this parish) = 18 Oct 1767 to Anne May of St. Lawrence, at St. John the Baptist, Margate; other children from this union: *William (Wales) b 21 March / bap 2 April 1769 Margate *Hannah (Whales) b 25 March / bap 10 April 1768 Margate *Anne (Whales) b 4 May / bap 19 May 1771 Margate *Nathaniel (Whales) b 2 Nov / bap 3 Dec 1780 Margate *Thomas (Whales) b 1 May / bap 29 May 1774 Margate Nathaniel was baptised 07 Nov 1738 at St. John the Baptist, Margate as the son of John Whales/Whale and Hannah Overy; other children from John and Hannah: *William b 1 March / bap 18 April 1736 Margate; d 1 March / bur 3 March 1810 *James bap 6 Aug 1740 Margate; d Dec 1803 John first married Mary Edgerton, 5 Nov 1704 at Margate; children John (1706-1790?), Nathaniel (1713) and William & Mary (1717); Mary E. burried 21 Jan 1717 John married for the 2nd time to Mary Paine, 5 Jan 1717 Margate; children (possibly) Elizabeth (1724), John (1727) and William (1729); Mary P. burried 14 Oct 1734 John married Hannah Overy 11 May 1735 at Margate; Hannah O. burried 25 June 1772 as widow of John; John was burried 24 Nov 1750. Hope this helps ;o) Regards, Kya Milo JunePym@aol.com wrote: Hi Kya, I have a Mary Wales married to my g.g grandfather (he was a widower) 1815. Mary was born 1778 at St. Peters to a Nathaniel and Anne. Any idea when Nathaniel was born and his parents? Regards June --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

Daily Universal Register (London, Middlesex and England) July 13th 1786 Canterbury, 11th July, Last week John Williams was taken at New Romney, and on Sunday last was brought to the City, and examined before one of the County Justices, who committed him to St Dunstan's Gaol, being charged on the oaths of John sawyer and William SLADDEN and of his own voluntary confession of having with others unknown) killed and murdered a woman by the name of Mary SAVIN at the Parish of Minster in the Isle of Thanet, in this County, on the 20th of June last, about ten o'clock in the evening. Two other men have since been taken up on suspicion. The above John Williams is a native of Wingham, a most atrocious offender, having been twice committed to St Dunstan's gaol for different offences. The two men taken on suspicion are servants belonging to some principle farmers in the Isle of Thanet, who yesterday attended, when the men were re- examined; in the course of which, an alibi was clearly proved and they were accordingly discharged. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 5/14/06

Daily Universal Register (London, Middlesex and England) 30th November 1786 About two years since he died at Birchington in the Isle of Thanet, Mr William GRIGGS, many years Master of a Windmill at that place, on his death bed he informed his son, who is now master of the said Mill, that he had buried a quantity of money in the house he lived in, at Birchington. The son, after his fathers decease, searched after the money, but could not discover where it was. The house was let to another person, who has lived in it ever since, till within a quarter of a year, when he quitted it. The house being now empty, the son of the said Miller, determined on a second search, when under the pavement in the kitchen he found a clock containing a bag with 735 guineas. The son has given half this sum to his sisters children, who are left without a father or mother, their parents being dead some time. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 5/14/06

Edinburgh Advertiser September 3rd 1822 Awful Catastrophe - About 4 o'clock in the afternoon of Monday se'nnight the village of St Nicholas, in the Isle of Thanet, was visited by one of the most tremendous storms of thunder and lightening ever known in the memory of the oldest inhabitant, in the course of which two men, named George BEDDINGFIELD and Richard JOHNCOCK, who were at work in a field, near the village, were instantaneously struck dead by the electric fluid, which was observed to descend to the earth at within two feet of BEDDINGFIELD, whose clothes were torn in pieces, and his body rendered a shocking spectacle, his head being dreadfully burnt, also one of his legs. The body of Richard JOHNCOCK was also much discoloured and blackened. They were both married men, and beside a wife, JOHNCOCK has left six children, and what adds to the calamity, his wife had been delivered of a the youngest only a few hours. Two other persons were knocked down and injured the same moment. The bodies were conveyed to the church to await a Coroner's Inquest and the sensation occasioned in the village by this dreadful occurrence is indescribable. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 5/14/06

A New historic walk has been introduced in Broadstairs. The walk, entitled, The Smugglers Trail, has been set up by Peter Shaw following the success of the earlier venture. The free walks take place on the first Thursday of every month at 6.30pm and follows paths of the smugglers around Kingsgate and North Foreland finishing at about 9pm. There is a refreshment break at the Captain Digby. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 5/12/06

Who are you looking for in particular, any dates? Regards Suzannah ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve tottman" <stottmanuk@yahoo.co.uk> To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: [IoT] Unidentified subject! > Hi > > Does anyone have any information on the Todd Family in Margate and Ramsgate. I am connected via the Canterbury Todd's, but I would like to know where they originated. Was it Canterbury, Thanet, or elsewhere? > > Thanks > > Steve > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 5/12/06 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 5/12/06

Hi Does anyone have any information on the Todd Family in Margate and Ramsgate. I am connected via the Canterbury Todd's, but I would like to know where they originated. Was it Canterbury, Thanet, or elsewhere? Thanks Steve Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

A Heritage Centre will be opened in Westgate to teach people about its history as "a London estate by the sea'. Dawn Crouch is setting up displays at the back of St Saviours Church detailing Westgate and Westbrook's past. It is hoped workshops will be run to help residents trace their ancestors. Historian Dr Crouch, who wrote a thesis on the area said Westgate was created 1050 years ago as a giant holiday home for the landed gentry. Exhibitions will be housed in the space by moving some pews in the church. There will be a potted history of Westgate, old photographs and text. Dr Crouch said "There is a display on Westgate and Westbrook in the 1920's to celebrate the Queen's Birthday. It was an important decade for both places. "In mid June we hope to have a display connected with the Battle of the Somme. "A Number of Westgate men died in the Somme, some on the first day. This year is experimental year but it is hoped the centre will be well established by 2006. The exhibition aimed at residents and tourists, and will be open three days a week. A series of open sessions are planned to enable people to begin researching their family histories" Dr Crouch also said it is important to recognise Westgate's past and said 'Its different from anywhere else and comparatively young at 150 years. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 5/12/06

Hi Saskia, I will look at the information you have sent, and see if it ties in with what I have here. HOWEVER!!! I do know that Lewis was definitely not the son of James Whales and Hannah Foster, as I have a copy of his (Lewis)marriage certificate to his second wife Eliza stathen in 1857, and it states that Lewis's father was John (who was a thatcher) I'll get back to you when I have looked into the rest. Linda

I have a James Wales (son of John, a labourer) and who was a widower and a mariner, who married Mary Miller (also a widow, nee Hope) on 4th February 1839. Do any researchers know who he was married to before MARY? He appears in the 1841 and 1851 census, but I have no other information. Another James!!! This one married Hannah Foster on 5th Dec 1797 at St Peters. Are there any further bits of information regarding his marital status, father, place of birth etc???? I have bought an old microfilm reader, so am going to treat myself to some relevant microfilms - I feel terribly guilty keep asking someone else to do the looking up!! I just hope the microfilms are accurate!!!! Thank you all .... Linda

Ahhh. That explains why he was the only child born in Birchington. As I said in my previous message, I wasn't too sure about all of the children. Hope some of what I wrote is of use, though. Also, I've discovered that the Wales family moved quite a bit between different places, i.e. from Margate to St. Peters and back. I found a marriage between James Wales and Sarah Shrubshall/Shrubsole. Could it be that they're the parents of the James who married Elizabeth Fowler? Anyway, just take your time sorting things out, I'll be gone this weekend (leave tomorrow) to take the kids to their father. Will be online tonite and then monday again, so ... have a good weekend! All of your, of course ;o) Warm regards, Kya Linda Wales <cleavefarm@btinternet.com> wrote: Hi Saskia, I will look at the information you have sent, and see if it ties in with what I have here. HOWEVER!!! I do know that Lewis was definitely not the son of James Whales and Hannah Foster, as I have a copy of his (Lewis)marriage certificate to his second wife Eliza stathen in 1857, and it states that Lewis's father was John (who was a thatcher) I'll get back to you when I have looked into the rest. Linda --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

If anybody has access to marriage records of Saint Peters, I would dearly love to find out whether the James Wales who married Hannah Foster 5 Dec 1797 was a widower at the time of his wedding I'm having a sneaking suspicion that he is the same James Wales who married Elizabeth Fowler 23 Sep 1794 at Saint Peters! That only leaves the problem whether not people who shared the same grandfather were allowed to marry. Would that be 'related in the 4th degree' ? I have no idea! Regards, Kya Milo --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

James Whales = 5 Dec 1797 to Hannah Foster at St. Peters Thanet Children (not 100% certain about all of them because of diff. birth places and age discrepancy) : - John Foster Whales mr. bricklayer; b 1797 or later according to census; 1. = Mary Appleton in 1830; 2. = Elisabeth after 1849 - William bricklayer; b 1799 = Philadelphia Munn 25 Dec 1820 - Lewis b 1799 (?) - Mary b 1810 - bur 2 Nov 1811 St. John, Margate - Stephen Savin Whales bricklayer; b 20 Sep 1812 - d 16 Jul 1840 = Sarah Roalff/Rolfe - Thomas b 1818 - Edward b 1821 = Eilzabeth Bates Sept 1850 James b 19 Aug / bap 13 Sep 1778 at St. John, Margate as son of William W(h)ales and Ann(e) Savin (also called Swann). William W(h)ales was the son from John Whale's 3rd marriage to Hannah Overy. The James who married Mary Miller might have been a son of John Whales, brother to James Whales who married Hannah Foster. Kya Linda Wales <cleavefarm@btinternet.com> wrote: I have a James Wales (son of John, a labourer) and who was a widower and a mariner, who married Mary Miller (also a widow, nee Hope) on 4th February 1839. Do any researchers know who he was married to before MARY? He appears in the 1841 and 1851 census, but I have no other information. Another James!!! This one married Hannah Foster on 5th Dec 1797 at St Peters. Are there any further bits of information regarding his marital status, father, place of birth etc???? I have bought an old microfilm reader, so am going to treat myself to some relevant microfilms - I feel terribly guilty keep asking someone else to do the looking up!! I just hope the microfilms are accurate!!!! Thank you all .... Linda --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

Hi again Linda ;o) Yes, this is 'my' James. He married Esther Jarman 12 Oct 1830 at St. John's, Margate. I have a total of 12 children from this marriage. William's sister Hannah - 28 July/16 Oct 1848 - was my great-great-grandmother. James's parents most likely are James W(h)ales and Elisabeth Fowler (dau. of Robert Fowler and Mary Kebble?), although I do have some doubts about that. Usually the custom was to name the first son after the wife's father, but I haven't found a son named Robert yet. Different sources say James was either born in Northdown or St. Peters. Unfortunately I can't seem to find any online baptisms records for that parish. I did find a James son of james Whales and Elisabeth on Family Search, baptised 13 march 1796 that would be a good match. But again, somebody would have to look into the actual records to be certain. If you want more information on James and Esther and their children just let me know. Somebody very kind and very fanatic about research (we both know who we are talking about, name starts with an S and ends with uzannah ;o) sent me loads of info! Warm regards, Kya Linda Wales <cleavefarm@btinternet.com> wrote: Hello Saskia, I have some bits of information on James W(h)ales, and I just wanted to confirm that it was your James! James W(h)ales died 27th May 1882, at the Alexandria Homes. Deeply regretted. This was an obit in one of the papers, but I stupidly didnot make a note of which one, as at the time I did not have any connection with a James. Parish records at Holy Trinity Margate: William Wales, born 28th April 1843, baptised 4th June to James (labourer of Northdown) and Esther. Where do you get James birthdate from? Any ideas on his parents yet? Regards, Linda --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

Hi Linda. Am finding all this on Barry White's pages, which contain loads of transcribed records from Thanet. That, and some information from Family Search result in a pretty clear picture. I doubt whether the double marriage of Jane Bishop is a transcription error, but yes, somebody would have to look in the actual records to be completely sure. And I live in The Netherlands .. :( There are very few Wayhalls or Wayhills to be found in the area, but Minster on Thanet and Monkton do have records for Whales, Wales and Whale. I'm still pretty sure the name got corrupted, although there are records for Wayhill baptisms and marriages in later times in Margate. Maybe one branch of the family decided to stick with the corrupted name. Also, I'm fairly certain that the two Whales families coming together in my ancestors - the marriage between Stephen Wales and Hannah Whales in 1870 - are originally one and the same family. Possibly both branches originated from the two marriages with offspring from John Whale(s) or from his brothers William and Nathaniel. It still needs some looking into. If and when I find more I'll put it on the website. Warm regards, Kya Linda Wales <cleavefarm@btinternet.com> wrote: Hi Kya, this all looks very interesting, where are you finding all this information? Are you looking at records, or is this from website? I too found Stephen and James both 'marrying' Jane Bishop, but I have not confirmed this with actual recods yet, so thought it COULD be just an error in transcription. Would be interested to know if you have checked original. The Wayhill connection sounds interesting though. I have always thought that our ancestor originally came to Thanet 'from Wales' and would have been referred to as Tom Dick or Harry 'of Wales' which then became corrupted as just Tom Wales.... Also.. about births just after marriage... Not only the wealthy did this. The poor old ag lab would often became betrothed to his beloved, and they would live together as man and wife, quite happily, but not necessarily tying the know until their next day off... which in those days came few and far between, hence so many marriages at Christmas!!! Regards, Linda Wales --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1&cent;/min.

John WHALE bapt. 07 Nov 1680 Monkton, Thanet; burried 24 Nov 1750 St. John; son of Nathanael Whale/Wayhill and Sarah Knatt (= 1680); other children from Nath. & Sarah: William (bap 25 April 1686) and Nathaniel (bap 1690). John married three times: 1. = 5 Nov 1704 St. John, Margate EDGERTON Mary, otp, maid (John bachelor) Mary burried as 'wife of John' 21 Jan 1717 2. = 5 Jan 1718 St. John, Margate PAINE Mary, otp, wid (John widower) Mary burried as 'wife of John' 14 Oct 1734 3. = 11 May 1735 St. John, Margate OVERY Hanna(h), otp, spin (John widower) Hannah burried as 'widow of John' 25 June 1772 *Children from 1: - John bap 8 Dec 1706 St.John; burried 23 Sept 1790 - Nathaniel bap 29 March 1713 - William & Mary bap 12 Jan 1717; burried 18 Febr 1717 *Children from 2: none found *Children from 3: - Mary bap 25 Aug 1731 !!! John still married to Mary at the time ... ???? - William b 1 March / bap 18 April 1736; burried 3 March 1810 - Nathanael bap 7 Nov 1738 - James bap 6 Aug 1740; burried 29 Dec 1803 John's father Nathaniel Wayhill/Whale doubtlessly descended from Nathanael WAYHILL, bap 1620 at Birchington, son of Nathanaelis WAYHILL. Hope this can help grow some trees ;o) Kya --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

Hi Paul. I looked through some records online (the Barry White Thanet pages) and did find both marriages. However, there is no recorded death for Stephen Wales, and the marriage record for James doesn't say Jane is a widow. I think it more likely the marriage with Stephen didn't ' work out ' and/or she just fell in love with her brother-in-law. ;o) There are no baptism records prior to 1801 on that site, so I wasn't able to see whether Stephen and James were brothers. It's highly likely though. Hope this is of some help to you. Friendly greetings, Kya Milo Paul Bishop <paul.bishop19@btinternet.com> wrote: Hello Saskia I see you have been researching the Wales family and wondered if you can help me please? From my family I have a Jane Bishop who was married to Stephen Wales on the 10th September 1818 in Birchington and on the 14th September 1819 married James Wales. I have assumed that Stephen and James were brothers and Stephen must have died soon after they married! Would you be able to help with any information on them? Regards Paul Bishop --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.