I'd say Chris is Correct 1861 Census Name: Ellen Newnham Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1835 Relation: Wife Gender: Female Where born: Ramsgate, Kent, England Civil parish: Poplar Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Source information: RG9/309 Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Poplar ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Folio: 61 Page: 20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "PJK :o))" <pat@kendell.freeserve.co.uk> To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:15 PM Subject: Fw: [IoT] Missing Petronella RICHARDSONs, 1861 census > I think this came to me by mistake. > > Pat.xxx :o)) > A Maid of Kent > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Misterchris4686@aol.com > To: pat@kendell.freeserve.co.uk > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:52 PM > Subject: Re: [IoT] Missing Petronella RICHARDSONs, 1861 census > > > Only a guess but I reckon she married Newnham and shortened her name to Ellen. > > Chris > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 5/17/06 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 5/17/06

Not sure if any use? Marriages Sep 1854 Richardson Petronille Poplar 1c 999 Marriages Sep 1854 Newnham Frederick Poplar 1c 999 Shepherd Ellen Poplar 1c 999 Simmons William Poplar 1c 999 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Peat" <anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk> To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:13 AM Subject: [IoT] Missing Petronella RICHARDSONs, 1861 census > Hi Thanet Listers, > > Is there SKS with access to an 1861 census index other than Ancestry or > 1837 online, who could help me find two ladies by the name of > Petronella RICHARDSON ( mother and daughter ) in the 1861 census. > > In 1841 and 1851 they are living in Ramsgate ( Camden Place in 1841, > Camden Square in 1851) with Thomas born about 1836. Petronella senior > is born Calais France ( I believe from an IGI patron submission that > she was Petronella Leroux, and married George Richardson in Margate St > John in May 1815. George died I think about Dec 1847. > > Petronella junior was born about 1832 in Kent ( again a patron > submission gives her baptism as 23 September 1832). > > In 1861 Thomas is married and in Bermondsey with wife Ann and son > Thomas. But in spite of searching indexes and even the relevant census > district that has Camden Square in, I can find no sign of either > Petronella. > > I believe Petronella senior died in March quarter 1868 in Thanet. The > index gives her age as 74. > > But no sign of the younger one on death or marriage indexes or > censuses, or even the Castle Garden site of those immigrating to the > USA. Someone is obviously interested in her, so I have high hopes that > she survived. > Does anyone have any info? > Anne > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 5/17/06 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 5/17/06

I think this came to me by mistake. Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: Misterchris4686@aol.com To: pat@kendell.freeserve.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [IoT] Missing Petronella RICHARDSONs, 1861 census Only a guess but I reckon she married Newnham and shortened her name to Ellen. Chris

My Nan moved from Ramsgate to Wales when she was 84 !! :o) She said you were never too old to uproot yourself & start afresh elsewhere. Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent Many thanks to Elizabeth and Norma and Chris who found Petronella senior with members of the Richardson family in Middlesborough in 1861. Although there is a baptism for an Elizabeth Richardson, I think this is the family of Petronella's son George baptised 1818 in St Lawrence, and married in 1838 in Thanet to an Elizabeth Redsull. It just shows you should never make assumptions. I thought Petronella was too old to go travelling the country at the age of 65, but I was wrong! Thanks for being a great list. Now, if I could find out what happened to Petronella junior ..... Anne On 17 May 2006, at 15:58, Elizabeth E Clark wrote: > There's a mother, Widow, born France living in Middlesborough. She's > living with her son and his family.The son is not on the census, but > his wife is Elizabeth born Deal! Back tracking to 1851, Elizabeth > Richardson is married to George Richardson, mariner, born Ramsgate. So > this looks like a possibility for Petronella senior in 1861. > > I'll continue searching for Petronella junior. > > Best wishes > > Elizabeth > > Anne Peat wrote: > >> Hi Thanet Listers, >> >> Is there SKS with access to an 1861 census index other than Ancestry >> or 1837 online, who could help me find two ladies by the name of >> Petronella RICHARDSON ( mother and daughter ) in the 1861 census. >>

Many thanks to Elizabeth and Norma and Chris who found Petronella senior with members of the Richardson family in Middlesborough in 1861. Although there is a baptism for an Elizabeth Richardson, I think this is the family of Petronella's son George baptised 1818 in St Lawrence, and married in 1838 in Thanet to an Elizabeth Redsull. It just shows you should never make assumptions. I thought Petronella was too old to go travelling the country at the age of 65, but I was wrong! Thanks for being a great list. Now, if I could find out what happened to Petronella junior ..... Anne On 17 May 2006, at 15:58, Elizabeth E Clark wrote: > There's a mother, Widow, born France living in Middlesborough. She's > living with her son and his family.The son is not on the census, but > his wife is Elizabeth born Deal! Back tracking to 1851, Elizabeth > Richardson is married to George Richardson, mariner, born Ramsgate. So > this looks like a possibility for Petronella senior in 1861. > > I'll continue searching for Petronella junior. > > Best wishes > > Elizabeth > > Anne Peat wrote: > >> Hi Thanet Listers, >> >> Is there SKS with access to an 1861 census index other than Ancestry >> or 1837 online, who could help me find two ladies by the name of >> Petronella RICHARDSON ( mother and daughter ) in the 1861 census. >>

There's a mother, Widow, born France living in Middlesborough. She's living with her son and his family.The son is not on the census, but his wife is Elizabeth born Deal! Back tracking to 1851, Elizabeth Richardson is married to George Richardson, mariner, born Ramsgate. So this looks like a possibility for Petronella senior in 1861. I'll continue searching for Petronella junior. Best wishes Elizabeth Anne Peat wrote: > Hi Thanet Listers, > > Is there SKS with access to an 1861 census index other than Ancestry > or 1837 online, who could help me find two ladies by the name of > Petronella RICHARDSON ( mother and daughter ) in the 1861 census. > > In 1841 and 1851 they are living in Ramsgate ( Camden Place in 1841, > Camden Square in 1851) with Thomas born about 1836. Petronella senior > is born Calais France ( I believe from an IGI patron submission that > she was Petronella Leroux, and married George Richardson in Margate St > John in May 1815. George died I think about Dec 1847. > > Petronella junior was born about 1832 in Kent ( again a patron > submission gives her baptism as 23 September 1832). > > In 1861 Thomas is married and in Bermondsey with wife Ann and son > Thomas. But in spite of searching indexes and even the relevant census > district that has Camden Square in, I can find no sign of either > Petronella. > > I believe Petronella senior died in March quarter 1868 in Thanet. The > index gives her age as 74. > > But no sign of the younger one on death or marriage indexes or > censuses, or even the Castle Garden site of those immigrating to the > USA. Someone is obviously interested in her, so I have high hopes > that she survived. > Does anyone have any info? > Anne > > >

Hi Thanet Listers, Is there SKS with access to an 1861 census index other than Ancestry or 1837 online, who could help me find two ladies by the name of Petronella RICHARDSON ( mother and daughter ) in the 1861 census. In 1841 and 1851 they are living in Ramsgate ( Camden Place in 1841, Camden Square in 1851) with Thomas born about 1836. Petronella senior is born Calais France ( I believe from an IGI patron submission that she was Petronella Leroux, and married George Richardson in Margate St John in May 1815. George died I think about Dec 1847. Petronella junior was born about 1832 in Kent ( again a patron submission gives her baptism as 23 September 1832). In 1861 Thomas is married and in Bermondsey with wife Ann and son Thomas. But in spite of searching indexes and even the relevant census district that has Camden Square in, I can find no sign of either Petronella. I believe Petronella senior died in March quarter 1868 in Thanet. The index gives her age as 74. But no sign of the younger one on death or marriage indexes or censuses, or even the Castle Garden site of those immigrating to the USA. Someone is obviously interested in her, so I have high hopes that she survived. Does anyone have any info? Anne

Does anybody have information about the marriage of George Goodwin and Mary Curling/Carlynge in 1635/1636? I have the following children from the union, but I suspect there were others: Mary 1640 Elizabeth 1643 John 1645 William 1649 Sarah 1651 Hannah 1656 = John Bing(e)/Bynge 10 Feb 1680 St. Lawrence, Thanet Any info much appreciated! Kya Milo --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.

Hi list Can i just say, i cant believe i have not joined before now All my roots are in Birchington, i cant believe how Suzannah puts herself out so much Never found that dedication on any list before I just wish i still lived in Birchington for memories aswell as the help that i could give Suzannah i appreciate all that you and the list do to help each other Many Many Thanks Just out of curiosoty Jennie Burgess do you know the Latimers? all went to Park lane primary, then on to King Ethelbert Best wishes Shan Manager for Ancestry Aid www.ancestryaid.co.uk

In a message dated 16/05/2006 19:09:55 GMT Standard Time, Isle-of-Thanet-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: STEAD Hi The Stead names mentioned today are they any relation the Richard James Stead of Ramsgate? Thank you. Lorna

Looked at the Kelly's Directories for Harriett or any Rogers in Birchington, today but as she was living with her son in law Henry Lee and he was the Head of the House, he was the only person listed for 8 Gordon Square. I checked up to 1920 and he was still there. No Mrs Rogers until 1909 in Birchington, at 2 Lewis Cottages, Quex Road. Gone by 1913-4 Directory. No deaths in Thanet up to 1914. Maybe she was visiting her other daughter as you suggested, when she died but still buried Birchington? Will be touring Birchington Churchyard this summer looking for Graves so will keep an eye out for her. In the mean time, Good luck. Kind Regards Suzannah ----- Original Message ----- From: shan To: suzannah.foad ; Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [IoT] Death of Harriet Rogers Hi Suzannah That will be great if you could, i have found a Harriet Brockway Rogers that died in Croydon 4th qtr 1901 aged 76, this could tie in as she had a daughter Esther Browne, and a grand daughter Ellen Georgina Rattenbury living there at the time But it was always understood that she died and was buried in Birchington Regards Shan -------Original Message------- From: suzannah.foad Date: 05/16/06 18:08:32 To: Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IoT] Death of Harriet Rogers Dear Shan, I will try this week to look check the Kelly's Directories to see if we can find when Harriett Rogers left Gordon Square. Will try and track her from 1901 onwards, this may lead us to a date of death. Regards Suzannah ----- Original Message ----- From: "shan" <shan12@btopenworld.com> To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:18 PM Subject: [IoT] Death of Harriet Rogers > Hi List > I have just subscribed to the list, and wondered if any body has the Parish > records for Birchington post 1901 > > I am looking for the death/Burial of my 2nd great grandmother Harriet Rogers > Nee impett > > She was baptised 24th August 1823 All Saints Church Birchington > > In 1901 she was a widow aged 77 living 8 Gordon Square Birchington with her > Daughter and son in law > Henry Lee and Emily Lee nee rogers > > I have trawlled 1837 online and have found no record for her > Any help would be most appreciated > > > > > Regards > Shan > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 5/14/06 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 5/15/06 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 5/15/06 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 5/15/06

Hi Suzannah That will be great if you could, i have found a Harriet Brockway Rogers that died in Croydon 4th qtr 1901 aged 76, this could tie in as she had a daughter Esther Browne, and a grand daughter Ellen Georgina Rattenbury living there at the time But it was always understood that she died and was buried in Birchington Regards Shan -------Original Message------- From: suzannah.foad Date: 05/16/06 18:08:32 To: Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IoT] Death of Harriet Rogers Dear Shan, I will try this week to look check the Kelly's Directories to see if we can find when Harriett Rogers left Gordon Square. Will try and track her from 1901 onwards, this may lead us to a date of death. Regards Suzannah ----- Original Message ----- From: "shan" <shan12@btopenworld.com> To: <Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:18 PM Subject: [IoT] Death of Harriet Rogers > Hi List > I have just subscribed to the list, and wondered if any body has the Parish > records for Birchington post 1901 > > I am looking for the death/Burial of my 2nd great grandmother Harriet Rogers > Nee impett > > She was baptised 24th August 1823 All Saints Church Birchington > > In 1901 she was a widow aged 77 living 8 Gordon Square Birchington with her > Daughter and son in law > Henry Lee and Emily Lee nee rogers > > I have trawlled 1837 online and have found no record for her > Any help would be most appreciated > > > > > Regards > Shan > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 5/14/06 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 5/15/06

-------Original Message------- From: shan Date: 05/16/06 08:02:14 To: Richard Sandwell Subject: Re: [IoT] Death of Harriet Rogers Hi Richard I dont think that could be my Harriet, as the family never moved from Gordon Square apart from once when they lived on the Minnis road, we used to spend our summer holidays there every year and my grandmother died at number 19 Gordon Square in 1996, so im almost certain that harriet would have still been residing at number 8 with her daughter Emily Lee. Regards Shan -------Original Message------- From: Richard Sandwell Date: 05/15/06 19:19:46 To: shan Subject: Re: [IoT] Death of Harriet Rogers Hi Shan, www.Freebmd.org.uk - a Harriet Rogers aged 87 died in 1911 in Wandsworth. The ages tally - might that be her? By 1911, people were moving around an awful lot more....I know a lot of my aged rellies were living anywhere but thanet by 1900. Kind regards, Richard shan wrote: > Hi List > I have just subscribed to the list, and wondered if any body has the Parish > records for Birchington post 1901 > > I am looking for the death/Burial of my 2nd great grandmother Harriet Rogers > Nee impett > > She was baptised 24th August 1823 All Saints Church Birchington > > In 1901 she was a widow aged 77 living 8 Gordon Square Birchington with her > Daughter and son in law > Henry Lee and Emily Lee nee rogers > > I have trawlled 1837 online and have found no record for her > Any help would be most appreciated > > > > > Regards > Shan > > > > >

Hi. Has anybody made any progress concerning the Catherine PILCHER who married John JARMAN in 1734? She was the grandmother of Esther Jarman who married James W(h)ales in 1830, and of Hannah Jarman who married Francis Sackett in 1830. Any info much appreciated! Kya Milo --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.

In loving memory of a dear wife Clara Malpas GURR Who died June 7th 1921 aged 49 years Also of Herbert George GURR Who died 21st May 1962 aged 91 years. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 5/15/06

In loving memory of Ethel Violet daughter of Edward and Jessie Miller Born 23rd May 1891 Died 28th September 1891 Also of Edward Gregg MILLER Father of above Who died 28th January 1913 aged 51 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 5/15/06

William Dunn DOUST Died October 28th 1865 aged 56 years Also of Thomas Larkins PEALL Who died November 12th 1876 aged 76 years Also Amelia, wife of Thomas Who died December 1879 aged 78 years. Separate stone, elsewhere Frances Jane PEALL Beloved wife of Arthur Robert PEALL Passed peacefully away Jan 13th 1929 aged 55 years Arthur Robert PEALL April 19th 1952 aged 82. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 5/15/06

In affectionate remembrance of James William Pritchard Who died 29th April 1899 aged 39 years Also of his loving and devoted wife Harriett Hannah PRITCHARD Who died 11th April 1935 aged 86 years Also of their son James Browning PRITCHARD Who died 22nd June 1909 aged 35 years And their daughter Emma Susannah Who died June 1st 1908 aged 35 years. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 5/15/06

In loving memory of John Henry BRETT Who died February 14th 1893 aged 8 years Charles Edmund BRETT Who died December 4th 1893 aged 5 Alfred Birch BRETT Who died October 12th 1918 aged 31 years Also of a dear Husband and father John Birch BRETT Who died December 6th 1943 aged 84 years Also of Emily Lucy BRETT Who died December 16th 1948 aged 85. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 5/15/06

Sacred to the memory of James PARAMOR Who died April 16th 1889 aged 61 years -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 5/15/06