Hello Pat, Ann 1816 was daughter of John Miriams and Mary Twyman who married 12 Oct 1799 in Minster. Cant tie them in with mine...yet! Suzannah x I see a Sarah Miriams amongst this lot & I'd like to add an Ann Miriams to the mixture in case anyone is looking for her. Ann, daughter of John & Mary Miriams, born 1816 in Ramsgate. Married Charles Fielding Frisby WILLMOTH on 11 March 1838 at St. Laurence. (Charles was the brother of my ggg gran Sarah Bonsey Willmoth, who married James Collyer). Charles & Ann had 8 children: Charles Fielding, Sarah Ann, William Ayles, James Collyer, Richard Frisby, Mary Elizabeth, Caroline Alice & Edward Thomas. Charles died in January 1882 & Ann died in August 1875, both in Ramsgate. Anyone want to share them with me ?!! Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent

I see a Sarah Miriams amongst this lot & I'd like to add an Ann Miriams to the mixture in case anyone is looking for her. Ann, daughter of John & Mary Miriams, born 1816 in Ramsgate. Married Charles Fielding Frisby WILLMOTH on 11 March 1838 at St. Laurence. (Charles was the brother of my ggg gran Sarah Bonsey Willmoth, who married James Collyer). Charles & Ann had 8 children: Charles Fielding, Sarah Ann, William Ayles, James Collyer, Richard Frisby, Mary Elizabeth, Caroline Alice & Edward Thomas. Charles died in January 1882 & Ann died in August 1875, both in Ramsgate. Anyone want to share them with me ?!! Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent Descendants of Henry Sayer Generation No. 1 1. HENRY1 SAYER was born 1796 in St Lawrence Thanet Kent, and died 16 Sep 1882 in Birchington Kent. He married SARAH MIRIAMS 25 Aug 1822 in All Saints Birchington Kent, daughter of JOHN MIRIAMS and SARAH SPRATT. She was born 1803 in Monkton Thanet Kent, and died 12 Dec 1878 in Birchington Kent. Notes for HENRY SAYER: Memorial Inscription on his Headstone in Birchington Churchyard Henry Sayer died 16th September 1882, aged 86, having for 64 years been in service of one family in this parish.(Source Sheila Foreman) Died of Heart Disease. Dropsy 1851 Census, Agr Labourer aged 50, of The Street Birchington Kent 1881 Census, aged 85, Agr Labourer of Mill Row Birchington Kent Notes for SARAH MIRIAMS: Died of Natural Decay at 8 Mill Row Birchington Kent (Source Sheila Foreman) 1851 Census, aged 48 More About SARAH MIRIAMS: Christening: 25 Sep 1803, Monkton Thanet Kent Marriage Notes for HENRY SAYER and SARAH MIRIAMS: Witnessed by Richard Busbridge and Elizabeth Adams

Hello Tony, Sorry for the delay in replying, we have a household sick to the stomach with flu at present. I have added what I have so far, I will work on this line a bit more as soon as 100% again. Looks like a match to me Kindest Regards Suzannah Descendants of Henry Sayer Generation No. 1 1. HENRY1 SAYER was born 1796 in St Lawrence Thanet Kent, and died 16 Sep 1882 in Birchington Kent. He married SARAH MIRIAMS 25 Aug 1822 in All Saints Birchington Kent, daughter of JOHN MIRIAMS and SARAH SPRATT. She was born 1803 in Monkton Thanet Kent, and died 12 Dec 1878 in Birchington Kent. Notes for HENRY SAYER: Memorial Inscription on his Headstone in Birchington Churchyard Henry Sayer died 16th September 1882, aged 86, having for 64 years been in service of one family in this parish.(Source Sheila Foreman) Died of Heart Disease. Dropsy 1851 Census, Agr Labourer aged 50, of The Street Birchington Kent 1881 Census, aged 85, Agr Labourer of Mill Row Birchington Kent Notes for SARAH MIRIAMS: Died of Natural Decay at 8 Mill Row Birchington Kent (Source Sheila Foreman) 1851 Census, aged 48 More About SARAH MIRIAMS: Christening: 25 Sep 1803, Monkton Thanet Kent Marriage Notes for HENRY SAYER and SARAH MIRIAMS: Witnessed by Richard Busbridge and Elizabeth Adams Children of HENRY SAYER and SARAH MIRIAMS are: i. MARY2 SAYER, b. 1822, Birchington Kent; m. JOHN STEVENS, 06 Jun 1843, Birchington Kent; b. 1815, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet. More About MARY SAYER: Christening: 22 Dec 1822, All Saints Birchington Kent Notes for JOHN STEVENS: Son of William Stevens and Sarah Castle 1842, Time of marriage, Labourer of St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent Marriage Notes for MARY SAYER and JOHN STEVENS: All Saints Witnessed by Richard Busbridge and Martha Stevens 2. ii. HENRY SAYER, b. Feb 1825, Birchington Kent. iii. SARAH SAYER, b. Apr 1827, Birchington Kent; d. 1827, Birchington Kent. Notes for SARAH SAYER: All Saints More About SARAH SAYER: Christening: 13 May 1827, Birchington Kent 3. iv. STEPHEN SAYER, b. Jan 1829, Birchington Kent. v. WILLIAM SAYER, b. Mar 1831, Birchington Kent. More About WILLIAM SAYER: Census UK 1861: 17 Apr 1831, Birchington Kent vi. EDWARD SAYER, b. 1832, Birchington Kent; d. 21 May 1895, Birchington Kent; m. EMMA SAVIN, 24 Sep 1859, Birchington Kent; b. 02 Oct 1841, Birchington Kent; d. 26 Dec 1936, Margate Kent. Notes for EDWARD SAYER: 1861 Census, Agr Labourer, Cottage, Canterbury Road, Birchington Kent More About EDWARD SAYER: Census UK 1861: Apr 1861, Birchington Kent Notes for EMMA SAVIN: Thanet Q Dec 1841 Vol 5 Page 7 Died 111 All Saints Avenue (Source Sheila Foreman) More About EMMA SAVIN: Christening: 12 Dec 1841, Birchington Kent Marriage Notes for EDWARD SAYER and EMMA SAVIN: Salem Baptist Chapel vii. JOHN SAYER, b. Feb 1834, Birchington Kent; m. JOSEPHINE UNKNOWN, 1855, St Peter's Thanet Kent; b. 1836, Margate Kent. Notes for JOHN SAYER: Nieces Sarah aged 15 and Emma Sayer aged 14 staying with John and Josephine on the 1881 Census. 1861 Census, Agr labourer of Garlinge Thanet Kent 1881 Census, Fly Proprietor and Lodging House Keeper of Buenos Ayres Margate Kent. Aged 47 More About JOHN SAYER: Census UK 1861: Apr 1861, Garlinge Thanet Kent Census UK 1881: Apr 1881, Margate Kent Christening: 16 Mar 1834, All Saints Birchington Kent 4. viii. JAMES SAYER, b. Jan 1836, Birchington Kent. ix. ELIZABETH SAYER, b. Jul 1838, Birchington Kent. Notes for ELIZABETH SAYER: 1851 Census, aged 12 More About ELIZABETH SAYER: Christening: 05 Aug 1838, All Saints Birchington Kent x. THOMAS SAYER, b. 10 May 1841, Birchington Kent; d. 19 Feb 1904, Birchington Kent; m. CHARLOTTE HOLTUM. Notes for THOMAS SAYER: 1851 Census,a ged 9 xi. GEORGE SAYER, b. 1845, Birchington Kent. Notes for GEORGE SAYER: 1851 Census, aged 7 xii. WILLIAM HOLLIN SAYER, b. Sep 1845, Birchington Kent; m. JANE COZENS, 1866, St John's Margate Kent; b. 1845, Margate Kent. Notes for WILLIAM HOLLIN SAYER: 1851 Census, aged 5 More About WILLIAM HOLLIN SAYER: Christening: 19 Oct 1845, All Saints Birchington Kent xiii. SAMUEL SAYER, b. Oct 1850, Birchington Kent; d. 1851, Birchington Kent. Notes for SAMUEL SAYER: 1851 Census, aged 6 months 1881, Aged 30 Unmarried and living with father Henry at Mill Row Birchington Kent More About SAMUEL SAYER: Christening: 10 Nov 1850, All Saints Birchington Kent xiv. SAMUEL SAYER, b. Jul 1851, Birchington Kent. Notes for SAMUEL SAYER: Occupation: Bricklayers Labourer More About SAMUEL SAYER: Christening: 10 Aug 1851, All Saints Birchington Kent xv. ROSE SAYER, b. 1866, Birchington Kent. Generation No. 2 2. HENRY2 SAYER (HENRY1) was born Feb 1825 in Birchington Kent. He married EMMA ANN UNKNOWN 1848 in St John's Margate Kent. She was born 1829 in Staple Kent, and died Mar 1908 in St Peter's Thanet Kent. Notes for HENRY SAYER: Boarder on the 1861 Census, William Hawleyer aged 1 month born Margate Grand daughter Florence S Pointer staying with the family on the 1881 Census. Also 6 Boarders Henry S Stace aged 25 Carpenter born Kennington Surrey Charles T Powell aged 25, Clerk born Bishopsgate London Thomas Haismer aged 43 Bricklayer born Faversham Kent Thomas Haismer aged 16 Bricklayers Labourer born Faversham Austin J Long aged 21, Bricklayers Labourer born Boughton Kent 1851 Census, aged 26 Unmarried 1861 Census, Bricklayer of Garlinge Thanet Kent More About HENRY SAYER: Christening: 20 Mar 1825, All Saints Birchington Kent Children of HENRY SAYER and EMMA UNKNOWN are: i. MARY A3 SAYER, b. Jun 1849, Birchington Kent. Notes for MARY A SAYER: Thanet Vol 5 Page 511 ii. EMMA ANN SAYER, b. Dec 1852, Margate Kent; d. 10 Feb 1897, Margate Kent; m. HENRY CHARLES S POINTER, Dec 1873, Margate Thanet Kent; b. 1852, Thanet Kent. Notes for EMMA ANN SAYER: Thanet Vol 2a Page 563 1881 Census, aged 28, living with her husband Henry at 2 Chester Road Margate Kent Children, Eliza A Pointer aged 8 Rebecca E Pointer aged 3 Emma aged 10 Months born Westgate More About HENRY CHARLES S POINTER: Census UK 1881: Apr 1881, Margate Kent Marriage Notes for EMMA SAYER and HENRY POINTER: Thanet Vol 2a Page 1004 iii. REBECCA SAYER, b. 1856, Margate Kent; m. RICHARD TUMBER, Dec 1878, St Peter's Thanet Kent; b. 1855, Ash Kent. Notes for REBECCA SAYER: 1881 Census, aged 25 living at 8 Chester Road with husband Richard Tumber. (Sister Emma lives 6 doors away at 2 Chester Road.) Children Richard Tumber aged 1 Westgate Alice aged 7 Months Westgate More About RICHARD TUMBER: Census UK 1881: Apr 1881, Margate Kent Marriage Notes for REBECCA SAYER and RICHARD TUMBER: Thanet Vol 2a Page 1536 iv. WILLIAM SAYER, b. Dec 1866, Garlinge Kent; d. Jun 1898, St Peter's Thanet Kent. Notes for WILLIAM SAYER: Thanet Vol 2a Page 770 Thanet Vol 2a Page 512 Aged 32 1881 Census, aged 16, Bricklayer v. ELLEN SAYER, b. 1870, Garlinge Kent. 3. STEPHEN2 SAYER (HENRY1) was born Jan 1829 in Birchington Kent. He married ELIZA GODDEN 21 May 1853 in All Saints Birchington Kent. She was born 1833 in Kent, and died Bef. 1881 in St Peter's Thanet Kent. More About STEPHEN SAYER: Christening: 11 Jan 1829, All Saints, Birchington Kent Notes for ELIZA GODDEN: Daughter of William Godden Marriage Notes for STEPHEN SAYER and ELIZA GODDEN: Witnessed by Edward and Elizabeth Sayer. Children of STEPHEN SAYER and ELIZA GODDEN are: i. JAMES3 SAYER, b. 1853, Birchington Kent. More About JAMES SAYER: Christening: 18 Sep 1853, All Saints Birchington Kent ii. CHARLES WILLIAM SAYER, b. 1856, Birchington Kent. iii. LOUISA SAYER, b. 1858, Birchington Kent. iv. JAMES SAYER, b. 1874, Birchington Kent; d. 10 Mar 1949, Birchington Kent. 4. JAMES2 SAYER (HENRY1) was born Jan 1836 in Birchington Kent. He married EMMA MILLGATE 1859 in Blean Kent. She was born 1838 in Acol Kent. Notes for JAMES SAYER: 1851, Aged 15 1871 Census, Waggoner of the Street, St Nicholas Thanet Kent 1881 Census, The Street, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. Farm Waggoner 1891 Census, Agr Labourer of The Street St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent More About JAMES SAYER: Christening: 21 Feb 1836, All Saints, Birchington Kent Children of JAMES SAYER and EMMA MILLGATE are: i. HENRY3 SAYER, b. 1860, Chislet Kent. Notes for HENRY SAYER: 1871 Census, Employed on farm aged 11 ii. ELEANOR SAYER, b. 1862, Chislet Kent. iii. JAMES SAYER, b. 1865, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. iv. EMMA SAYER, b. 1867, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. 5. v. LOUISA MARY SAYER, b. 1870, St Nicholas Thanet Kent. vi. JOHN SAYER, b. 1872, St Nicholas at Wade, Thanet Kent. vii. GEORGE SAYER, b. 1875, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. viii. WILLIAM ALAN SAYER, b. 1877, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. Notes for WILLIAM ALAN SAYER: 1891 Census, Agr Labourer aged 14 ix. ELIZABETH MARY SAYER, b. 1880, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. x. ARTHUR E SAYER, b. 1884, St Nicholas Thanet Kent. Notes for ARTHUR E SAYER: 1901 Census, Staying with hs sister Louisa and brother in law Thomas Ireland at The Street St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent Groom Domestic. Generation No. 3 5. LOUISA MARY3 SAYER (JAMES2, HENRY1) was born 1870 in St Nicholas Thanet Kent. She married THOMAS RAINER IRELAND Dec 1892 in Blean Kent, son of JOHN IRELAND and HARRIETT MARTIN. He was born Dec 1867 in Chislet Kent. Notes for LOUISA MARY SAYER: 1891 Census, staying with her Uncle William Sayer a Cow Keeper at Edgar House Minster. Louisa is a Housekeeper to her widowed Uncle, possibly till the time of her marriage in 1892. Next door to William Sayer is John and Emma Foad. 1901 Census, aged 31, The Street St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent Arthur E Sayer Brother of Louisa, staying on Census night, aged 17, Groom. Notes for THOMAS RAINER IRELAND: Blean Vol 2a Page 1210 1881 Census, aged 13 and working as a Farm servant. 1901 Census, aged 33 Waggoner on Farm, The Street, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 819; Folio: 57; Page: 8. 1936 Kelly's Directory 2 Wellington Cottages, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent Marriage Notes for LOUISA SAYER and THOMAS IRELAND: Thanet Vol 2a Page 1797 Child of LOUISA SAYER and THOMAS IRELAND is: i. EDWIN C4 IRELAND, b. 1894, St Nicholas at Wade Kent. Notes for EDWIN C IRELAND: 1901 Census, aged 7 The Street St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent with parents "A.D.Reynolds" <adr@westlodge37.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: Thanks to all for helpful postings. Susannah, I have Louisa Sayer born to Stephen Sayer and Eliza nee Godden at Birchington 17 Feb 1858. Parents married Birchington Parish Church 21 May 1853, his father was a Henry Sayer ?yours. Louisa married Frederick James Cox at All Saints' Birchington 20 October 1878. She was then a spinster which agrees with no husband at my grandmother's birth in August. I got my certificates from Thanet Registration so not sure of GRO ref. I can only see one Louisa on the Index. Tony ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Was my Mary Ann Mirams, born 1840 in Margate, the daughter of John and Mary? Chris

If someone was in the Workhouse in say 1851 what are their chances of coming from an area in London to the Workhouse? Or did the workhouse exist solely for the use of people from the Thanet area? My ancestor Thomas Hills was a Baker and in 1841 is in Stepney then he suddenly appears in the Minster Workhouse in the 51 census with all of his family. OR is there two Thomas Hills both bakers? Cheers Anna

Thanks to all for helpful postings. Susannah, I have Louisa Sayer born to Stephen Sayer and Eliza nee Godden at Birchington 17 Feb 1858. Parents married Birchington Parish Church 21 May 1853, his father was a Henry Sayer ?yours. Louisa married Frederick James Cox at All Saints' Birchington 20 October 1878. She was then a spinster which agrees with no husband at my grandmother's birth in August. I got my certificates from Thanet Registration so not sure of GRO ref. I can only see one Louisa on the Index. Tony

I have an interesting booklet on the Workhouse, published in 1991, which I think I purchased from Margate Library. I don't know if it's still available but feel sure the library would have a copy. Queenie Johnson _________________________________________________________________ The new Windows Live Toolbar helps you guard against viruses http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-gb

It was also known as Old Spike. I was sent there for college placement back in 1980 when I was but a slip of a young thing !! One of my most enduring memories is of an old lady coming in crying. She was so upset & terribly ashamed to think that she'd *ended up in the workhouse*. No amount of telling her it was now an NHS geriatric hospital helped. She was adamant that she'd never leave there alive & she didn't. She died the following week & I swear it was because she was honestly believed that she was in the workhouse & no one left there alive. My ggg gran died there in 1893, but, of course, I didn't find THAT out till years later Probably a good job, really, cos if I knew in 1980, I don't suppose I'd have got much work done !! I'd have been too busy nosing around, taking photos & trying to find out where she'd been. On second thoughts, that might have been a good idea !!! Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent Yes it was a Hospital for the elderly who saw it as a place that they went to die. It was called Hill House Hospital It was a Hospital in the 60s and probably well before that and up to I think the early 90s when it was demolished and a housing estate built on the site, Yes it did carry a bit of a stigma and one of my relatives who was elderly was moved there from the main hospital and actually died there. Sean -----Original Message----- From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Graham Pritchard Sent: 22 October 2006 12:13 To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ISLE-OF-THANET] minster workhouse Tony, Minster Workhouse was known as the Thanet Union Workhouse, which is confusing, as I think there might also be another Minster workhouse, elsewhere in Kent. Check out the following website, which has some interesting stuff (including pictures) but is not yet complete: http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Thanet/Thanet.shtml Three out of my four Thanet Great Great Grandparents died in the Minster (Thanet Union) Workhouse. I found this out from census returns and death certificates. It was apparently a great shame to end up there, even for a short period of time, and many were terrified of the prospect. Although I have lots of family stories handed down, there was never any mention of the workhouse, presumably because it was just not talked about. I can well imagine your grandparents reaction, as they might well have been old enough to be alive when it was still in operation. I think it ceased operating as a workhouse in the early 1900's, but carried on as a hospital, and someone once told me that up until recently, old people were terrified of being sent there because of past associations. I believe that the buildings have now been demolished to make way for houses. Good luck in your search, Graham "A.D.Reynolds" <adr@westlodge37.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: Can anyone help with Minster Workhouse records? I contacted Kent Archives a while ago and there seemed then to be some confusion as to their exact whereabouts. Louisa Sayer b.1858 gave birth to my grandmother Eliza Sarah there 21 August 1878 and married Frederick James Cox or Cocks on 20 October. I have assumed he was the putative father but wonder if her admission notes might give information. William H.Mirams' death was registered by the Workhouse Master 3 June 1906. His H was recorded as Henry. My great grandfather was William Holloway Mirams and he is the only W.H. I can find. Again, I have assumed they are the same but would like to be more sure. The name is so unusual I am surprised at the apparent error. I once mentioned the Workhouse in complete innocence when staying with my grandparents and the response was distinctly "shock horror". Advice appreciated, Tony Reynolds in Lincoln ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the http://www.orbital.net MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes it was a Hospital for the elderly who saw it as a place that they went to die. It was called Hill House Hospital It was a Hospital in the 60s and probably well before that and up to I think the early 90s when it was demolished and a housing estate built on the site, Yes it did carry a bit of a stigma and one of my relatives who was elderly was moved there from the main hospital and actually died there. Sean -----Original Message----- From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Graham Pritchard Sent: 22 October 2006 12:13 To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ISLE-OF-THANET] minster workhouse Tony, Minster Workhouse was known as the Thanet Union Workhouse, which is confusing, as I think there might also be another Minster workhouse, elsewhere in Kent. Check out the following website, which has some interesting stuff (including pictures) but is not yet complete: http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Thanet/Thanet.shtml Three out of my four Thanet Great Great Grandparents died in the Minster (Thanet Union) Workhouse. I found this out from census returns and death certificates. It was apparently a great shame to end up there, even for a short period of time, and many were terrified of the prospect. Although I have lots of family stories handed down, there was never any mention of the workhouse, presumably because it was just not talked about. I can well imagine your grandparents reaction, as they might well have been old enough to be alive when it was still in operation. I think it ceased operating as a workhouse in the early 1900's, but carried on as a hospital, and someone once told me that up until recently, old people were terrified of being sent there because of past associations. I believe that the buildings have now been demolished to make way for houses. Good luck in your search, Graham "A.D.Reynolds" <adr@westlodge37.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: Can anyone help with Minster Workhouse records? I contacted Kent Archives a while ago and there seemed then to be some confusion as to their exact whereabouts. Louisa Sayer b.1858 gave birth to my grandmother Eliza Sarah there 21 August 1878 and married Frederick James Cox or Cocks on 20 October. I have assumed he was the putative father but wonder if her admission notes might give information. William H.Mirams' death was registered by the Workhouse Master 3 June 1906. His H was recorded as Henry. My great grandfather was William Holloway Mirams and he is the only W.H. I can find. Again, I have assumed they are the same but would like to be more sure. The name is so unusual I am surprised at the apparent error. I once mentioned the Workhouse in complete innocence when staying with my grandparents and the response was distinctly "shock horror". Advice appreciated, Tony Reynolds in Lincoln ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the http://www.orbital.net MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tony, Minster Workhouse was known as the Thanet Union Workhouse, which is confusing, as I think there might also be another Minster workhouse, elsewhere in Kent. Check out the following website, which has some interesting stuff (including pictures) but is not yet complete: http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Thanet/Thanet.shtml Three out of my four Thanet Great Great Grandparents died in the Minster (Thanet Union) Workhouse. I found this out from census returns and death certificates. It was apparently a great shame to end up there, even for a short period of time, and many were terrified of the prospect. Although I have lots of family stories handed down, there was never any mention of the workhouse, presumably because it was just not talked about. I can well imagine your grandparents reaction, as they might well have been old enough to be alive when it was still in operation. I think it ceased operating as a workhouse in the early 1900's, but carried on as a hospital, and someone once told me that up until recently, old people were terrified of being sent there because of past associations. I believe that the buildings have now been demolished to make way for houses. Good luck in your search, Graham "A.D.Reynolds" <adr@westlodge37.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: Can anyone help with Minster Workhouse records? I contacted Kent Archives a while ago and there seemed then to be some confusion as to their exact whereabouts. Louisa Sayer b.1858 gave birth to my grandmother Eliza Sarah there 21 August 1878 and married Frederick James Cox or Cocks on 20 October. I have assumed he was the putative father but wonder if her admission notes might give information. William H.Mirams' death was registered by the Workhouse Master 3 June 1906. His H was recorded as Henry. My great grandfather was William Holloway Mirams and he is the only W.H. I can find. Again, I have assumed they are the same but would like to be more sure. The name is so unusual I am surprised at the apparent error. I once mentioned the Workhouse in complete innocence when staying with my grandparents and the response was distinctly "shock horror". Advice appreciated, Tony Reynolds in Lincoln ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Tony, Was your Louisa Sayer 1858 born in Birchington to Henry Sayer 1796-1882 and Sarah Mirams 1803-1878. Henry's brother Edward 1796-1863 married my Mary FOAD 1796-1863. Another brother John Mirams 1794-1873 married Mary Foad's sister Jane FOAD born 1799. The Minster Records are at the East Kent Archives Centre, Enterprise Zone, Honeywood Road, Whitfield, Dover CT16 3EH. Holdings include: Guardians' minutes (1835-1930); Ledger (1835-1930, with gaps); Births and baptisms (1848-66, 1905-29); Deaths (1866-1931); Creed register (1905-30); Admissions and discharges (1872-1930); Inmates' complaints (1895-1909); Punishment book (1895-1914); etc. Good luck Suzannah From:"A.D.Reynolds" <adr@westlodge37.freeserve.co.uk> To:isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com Date:Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:58:59 +0100 Subject:[ISLE-OF-THANET] minster workhouse Can anyone help with Minster Workhouse records? I contacted Kent Archives a while ago and there seemed then to be some confusion as to their exact whereabouts. Louisa Sayer b.1858 gave birth to my grandmother Eliza Sarah there 21 August 1878 and married Frederick James Cox or Cocks on 20 October. I have assumed he was the putative father but wonder if her admission notes might give information. William H.Mirams' death was registered by the Workhouse Master 3 June 1906. His H was recorded as Henry. My great grandfather was William Holloway Mirams and he is the only W.H. I can find. Again, I have assumed they are the same but would like to be more sure. The name is so unusual I am surprised at the apparent error. I once mentioned the Workhouse in complete innocence when staying with my grandparents and the response was distinctly "shock horror". Advice appreciated, Tony Reynolds in Lincoln ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone help with Minster Workhouse records? I contacted Kent Archives a while ago and there seemed then to be some confusion as to their exact whereabouts. Louisa Sayer b.1858 gave birth to my grandmother Eliza Sarah there 21 August 1878 and married Frederick James Cox or Cocks on 20 October. I have assumed he was the putative father but wonder if her admission notes might give information. William H.Mirams' death was registered by the Workhouse Master 3 June 1906. His H was recorded as Henry. My great grandfather was William Holloway Mirams and he is the only W.H. I can find. Again, I have assumed they are the same but would like to be more sure. The name is so unusual I am surprised at the apparent error. I once mentioned the Workhouse in complete innocence when staying with my grandparents and the response was distinctly "shock horror". Advice appreciated, Tony Reynolds in Lincoln

If it's any help I have a Mary Ann Mirams born about 1840 in Margate and died about September 1884 in Thanet. She married Robert Setterfield in June 1868 in Thanet and bore him 7 children. I know it's not a lot but it may fit the jigsaw somewhere. Chris

Hi Carole, I've traced your William LUCAS back through the censuses but I can't find any connection between yours at MInster in Sheppey and mine in Thanet. However, you William was a waterman originally, and mine were mariners, so who knows. Anne Presumably this is your one: 1881 England Census about William Jas. Lucas Name: William Jas. Lucas Age: 84 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Hanah Gender: Male Where born: Faversham, Kent, England Civil Parish: Minster in Sheppey County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: 21 Kings Head Alley Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Labourer Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 980; Folio: 60; Page: 4; Registration district: Sheppey Sub-registration district: Minster ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Hanah Lucas 79 Issac Lucas 39 William Jas. Lucas 84 1871 England Census about Wm James Lucas Name: Wm James Lucas Age: 75 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Hannah Gender: Male Where born: Faversham, Kent, England Civil Parish: Minster Ecclesiastical parish: Sheerness Town: Blue Town Sheerness County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: 2 Fountain passage Occupation: labourer Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 987; Folio: 66; Page: 18; Registration district: Sheppey Sub-registration district: Minster ED, institution, or vessel: 15e Household schedule number: 90 Household Members: Name Age John Allison 14 Amelia Lucas 32 Hannah Lucas 70 Isaac Lucas 30 Wm James Lucas 75 Amelia Wakefield 17 ------------------- 1861 Name: William Lucas Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Hannah Gender: Male Where born: Faversham, Kent, England Civil Parish: Minster in Sheppey Ecclesiastical parish: Sheerness Town: Sheerness County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: 2 Lucas Yard Bull Lane Occupation: Porter, Steam boats Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 531; Folio: 152; Page: 29 Registration district: Sheppey Sub-registration district: Minster ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 159 Household Members: Name Age Amelia Lucas 23 Hannah Lucas 60 Isaac Lucas 19 William Lucas 65 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 531; Folio: 152; Page: 29 ---- 1851 England Census about Wm Lucas Name: Wm Lucas Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Faversham, Kent, England Civil Parish: Minster in Sheppey Ecclesiastical parish: Canterbury Town: Sheerness County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Bull Lane Occupation: Porter Condition as to marriage: Married Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1628; Folio: 253; Page: 33; Registration district: Sheppey Sub-registration district: Minster ED, institution, or vessel: 2l Household schedule number: 127 Household Members: Name Age John Broad 25 James Harns 24 Amsham Lucas 13 Isaac Lucas 9 Matilda Lucas 11 Wm Lucas 54 ---1841 Name: William Luaces Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Gender: Male Where born: Kent, England Civil Parish: Minster Hundred: Isle of Sheppey Liberty County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: West Lane Occupation: Waterman Source information: HO107/474/11 Registration district: Sheppey Sub-registration district: Minster ED, institution, or vessel: 2A Folio: 37 Page: 29 Line number: 11 Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Civil Parish County/Island Bess Luaces abt 1827 Kent, England Minster Kent Elizabeth Luaces abt 1816 Kent, England Minster Kent Elizabeth Luaces abt 1840 Kent, England Minster Kent Emily Luaces abt 1837 Kent, England Minster Kent Hannah Luaces abt 1800 Kent, England Minster Kent John Luaces abt 1825 Kent, England Minster Kent Matilda Luaces abt 1839 Kent, England Minster Kent Sarah Luaces abt 1829 Kent, England Minster Kent William Luaces abt 1796 Kent, England Minster Kent William Luaces abt 1820 Kent, England Minster Kent On 20 Oct 2006, at 19:19, Dave & Carole wrote: > I have a William James Lucas in my family tree, would be interested to > know if there may be a link. He stated in census returns he came from > Faversham but I have never been able to confirm that fact. > > Carole >

I have a William James Lucas in my family tree, would be interested to know if there may be a link. He stated in census returns he came from Faversham but I have never been able to confirm that fact. Carole -----Original Message----- From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Peat Sent: 18 October 2006 17:00 To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com Cc: Isle-of-Thanet-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ISLE-OF-THANET] Hewetts Hi Queenie, We have been in touch before about our mutual JOHNSON relatives. I am looking for details of ancestors of Jane Elizabeth HEWETT( or HEWITT) born 14 November 1837 to George HEWETT, blacksmith, born MInster about 1812 and married to Jane BUTLER born 1809 Sandwich. They were married in St John's Margate in August 1831. Jane married Richard Lawrence LUCAS ( brother of my maternal ancestor William LUCAS ) in St George's Ramsgate in May 1860. I have found the LUCAS and HEWETT families in the censuses - I was really after any pre-1837 information. Best wishes Anne On 18 Oct 2006, at 16:32, Queenie Johnson wrote: > > > Message for Anne Peat. > > I see you're looking for Hewett - I have a great deal of info on them > as it's one of my lines. If you let me know what names I'll have a > look up. > > Queenie > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows LiveT Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for > free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

RECITALS The organist of Holy Trinity Parish Church (Miss Woodman) has arranged a Series of organ recitals for Thursday afternoons early in the New Year, when the collections will go towards the debt on the organ. The recitals will be given by Mr Curzon M POOLE, Mr H B Osmond, DR F J Bellerby, and Miss Woodman. FOR THE WOUNDED Miss DANIELS and Miss EVELING, of "Chamouix", Queen's Road, Broadstairs, would be glad to receive gifts of old Linen for the wounded soldiers of the local V.A.D Hospitals, for which there is much need. Any gifts, however small, will be willingly collected if desired. LIGHTING OFFENCE At the Cinque Ports Police Court, held at Margate on Monday, before Mr Goodson and other Magistrates, Miss Elsie DURANT of St Rowan's, Stone Road, Broadstairs, was charged with showing an unobscured light, which was visible at sea at 9.45pm on the 5th inst. Defendant stated that she went hurriedly into her room to dress and forgot to draw the curtain. A Fine of 7s. 6d with 2s. 6d for special constable's fee, was imposed. THE LATE MR J STUPPLES The Funeral of the late Mr J STUPPLES, took place on Thursday afternoon at St Peter's Church, amidst many tokens of respect, the service being conducted by the Rector of Holy Trinity Broadstairs. The Chief mourners were Mrs CG Sellens, (Niece) of Lydd, Mr and Miss Anderson of Margate and Mrs Hodges. The Floral tributes of a beautiful character were sent by the following people. >From Mr Stupples nieces; Lottie, all at 41 Albion Street; Mrs Noott; Mrs A H Atkinson; the Old People's Tea and Entertainment Committee ; Mrs Ansell; Mrs Pithey and family; Girls at St Mary's Home; S Wilson; Mrs Marsh and daughters; Mr W L Sharp and family; Mr and Mrs T Shrimpton; the Broadstairs and St Peter's Liberal Association; Mr and Mrs H F Hall; Mrs Ada Harrison; Mrs Gibb and a friend. FATAL BURNS Widows Tragic Death Mrs Sarah JACOB, a widow aged 88 residing at "Landsdowne" Queens' Road, Broadstairs, met her death under tragic circumstances during the weekend. Entering the dining room to prepare dinner, Daisy CARD, a Maidservant, found the old lady lying in the fire place. Assistance was promptly to hand and Mrs Jacobs (sic) suffering from severe burns on both arms, breast and left side of the face. The Unfortunate lady lingered in agony until close upon 2 o'clock on Monday morning, when she expired. An Inquest is fixed to be held to day (Wednesday).

For the Pantony researcher I came across this is the Broadstairs and St Peter's mail 27th Dec 1916 Accompanied by his Photo in his uniform which I can scan for you. Suzannah SAD NEWS For Broadstairs Wife Pte Charles W Pantony, of the Queen's Royal West Surrey Regt., who was reported missing after the attack at Loos on September 25th 1915, has now officially been reported killed on that date. Although close upon fourteen months after he had failed to answer roll call on that Memorable day, his wife, who resides at 2 Wrotham Avenue, Broadstairs had not given up hope of her husband still being alive. Pte Pantony volunteered for the colours in September 1914 and proceeded to the Western Front with his battalion in March of the same year. He was doing duty for a considerable time as a sniper. Previous to enlisting, the gallant soldier was employed by Mr J T May, of Broadstairs, as a painter and had a wide circle of friends among whom he was much respected. Article on Loos for that date here http://www.webmatters.net/france/ww1_loos.htm

Hooray it's up & running again Mick Coomber

Hi Queenie, We have been in touch before about our mutual JOHNSON relatives. I am looking for details of ancestors of Jane Elizabeth HEWETT( or HEWITT) born 14 November 1837 to George HEWETT, blacksmith, born MInster about 1812 and married to Jane BUTLER born 1809 Sandwich. They were married in St John's Margate in August 1831. Jane married Richard Lawrence LUCAS ( brother of my maternal ancestor William LUCAS ) in St George's Ramsgate in May 1860. I have found the LUCAS and HEWETT families in the censuses - I was really after any pre-1837 information. Best wishes Anne On 18 Oct 2006, at 16:32, Queenie Johnson wrote: > > > Message for Anne Peat. > > I see you're looking for Hewett - I have a great deal of info on them > as it's one of my lines. If you let me know what names I'll have a > look up. > > Queenie > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™ Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for > free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Message for Anne Peat. I see you're looking for Hewett - I have a great deal of info on them as it's one of my lines. If you let me know what names I'll have a look up. Queenie _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb