Hi Laurie No joy. It may be worth emailing Peggy - the link is at the top. The copyright date at the bottom is 2005, so I don't know if she still monitors the site. Maybe someone else on the list will recognise your original page. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Hedgcock" <andy701@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [ISLE-OF-THANET] Accessing Rootsweb pages > Hi Laurie > Yes, I'm having the same problem! Some of the links are no longer active - > I > have reported a couple of those. > I wonder if it's a link off a link. Let me do some more delving for you. I > want to know anyway for myself. > Cheers > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LAWRENCE BRIDGER" <laurie.bridger@btinternet.com> > To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: [ISLE-OF-THANET] Accessing Rootsweb pages > > >> Hi Andy, >> >> Sorry to be a pain, but I have already tried what you >> suggested and ended up at the main Rootsweb page, but >> I couldnt find where I can get connected to the other >> pages that obviously exist along with the one I >> accessed. Can you suggest any other avenues to try? >> >> Thanks for your speedy reply anyway. >> >> Laurie Bridger >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Laurie Yes, I'm having the same problem! Some of the links are no longer active - I have reported a couple of those. I wonder if it's a link off a link. Let me do some more delving for you. I want to know anyway for myself. Cheers Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAWRENCE BRIDGER" <laurie.bridger@btinternet.com> To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [ISLE-OF-THANET] Accessing Rootsweb pages > Hi Andy, > > Sorry to be a pain, but I have already tried what you > suggested and ended up at the main Rootsweb page, but > I couldnt find where I can get connected to the other > pages that obviously exist along with the one I > accessed. Can you suggest any other avenues to try? > > Thanks for your speedy reply anyway. > > Laurie Bridger > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Andy, Sorry to be a pain, but I have already tried what you suggested and ended up at the main Rootsweb page, but I couldnt find where I can get connected to the other pages that obviously exist along with the one I accessed. Can you suggest any other avenues to try? Thanks for your speedy reply anyway. Laurie Bridger

Hi just a thought, where there is an s in the address /sm.txt part, I put in an h, and got the h list. Then I tried an a and got the list. Granted some pages did not come up but quite a few did. ~Elaine

Hi Laurie In your address field, delete 'sm.txt' This is quite a useful thing to know if you get links that no longer appear to work - usually deleting back to a forward slash often does the trick. cheers Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAWRENCE BRIDGER" <laurie.bridger@btinternet.com> To: "Suzannah Foad" <suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com>; <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com>; <isle-of-thanet-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:11 AM Subject: [ISLE-OF-THANET] Accessing Rootsweb pages > Hi Suzannah and any other listers who can help. > > I may be having a senior moment here but I ended up at > a rootsweb page listing marriages of people in Kent > with surnames beginning with the letter S. There > wasn't any other information on the page, no place to > click to return to the home page. The page in question > is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~engken/sm.txt > > Can anyone tell me how I can access the other letters > of the alphabet. There's probably an easy explanation, > but it's got me confused. > >

Hi Suzannah Small world - my Nan's sister & her brother & wife lived in flats in Flint house until late 80s. There is some family stories of my great grandfather owning various properties mainly in Birchington & Westgate but also in Flint Row & surrounding area. I think the properties actually belonged to his second wife as there was no mention of property when my great grandmother was alive (pre 1917). Hope you are feeling better now! best regards Barbara > All the locations are very close. Flint Row was a lovely little cluster of > cottages. In present day my Grandmother lived at Flint House, which has > been built on the site. > > If you are unsure of any of the locations I can have a look through my > bits and bobs and dig out some old and current maps. And when Flu free > will take a wander over to Dane Hill and see which ones are still > standing. Its not even 2 minutes from my house. > I have a map showing Prospect Row, but only up to number 6. I also have a > picture to hand looking down Dane Hill present day. > > I would like what you have on the Holloway's, I find it interesting to > see they lived in Margate and can also keep it to one side until new > listers arrive looking for the family names. > > Many Thanks > > Suzannah > > "A.D.Reynolds" <adr@westlodge37.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Thanks. I have all my Mirams after 1837 except Edward 1802's siblings. > My Edward died at 33 Dane Hill, 12 August 1871 > Mary Ann nee Saunders died 47 Milton Road, 25 February 1890 > > Births > Edward b.4 Flint Row, St.John's 5 November 1839 > William Holloway Mirams b. Drayson's Cottage, 5 June 1842 > Sarah Maria b.8 Prospect Row, 20 March 1846 > > George and Edward died of smallpox within 10 days of each other (23 June > and > 1 July 1855 respectively) at Dane Hill. > > My later addresses fit with the births of William Holloway's children. Are > you interested in them for your database? > > Regards > Tony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ENSEMBLE SUZANNAH-FOAD" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:54 PM > Subject: Re: [ISLE-OF-THANET] Miriams > > >> Hello Tony, >> >> Thank you for your get well wishes, still suffering.! >> >> Edward Miriams was baptised at Birchington 23 May 1803 to John and Mary >> >> Siblings >> John 18th Sep 1803 >> Thomas 7th April 1805 >> Sarah 30th Nov 1806 >> James 24th July 1808 >> >> No other children baptised at Birchington and I wonder if this is John >> who > married Mary Twyman in 1799 at Minster. >> Pat Kendell, or Maid of Kent lister on the IOT has a Jane baptised 1816 >> to > John and Mary Tywman so they may have moved to Ramsgate. Conjecture though > as cannot prove same parents. >> >> >> 1861 Census >> Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 535; Folio: 55; Page: 13 >> 8 Dane Hill, Margate >> Edward aged 55 a Carrier and Mary aged 54. >> >> On the 1851 census, Edward and mary Miriams are in Margate, 8 Prospect > Row, Dane Hill. >> Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1629; Folio: 443; Page: 11 >> >> Edward aged 45 a Carrier, >> Wife Mary 44 >> Children >> George aged 16 Assistant to his father >> Edward aged 11 >> William aged 6 >> Sarah aged 5 >> >> >> 1841 Census, Drayson's Cottage, Dane Hill (this cottage was built by John > Drayson pre 1821 and possible who Edward worked for) >> Source Citation: Class: HO107; Civil Parish: St John the Baptist Margate; > County: Kent; Enumeration District: 15; Page: 13 >> (Remember the ages are rounded up!) >> Edward born 1806 Labourer >> Mary 1811 >> Children >> Elizabeth 1833 >> George 1835 >> Mary 1837 >> Edward 1839 >> All Born Margate apart from Mary born Jersey. >> >> >> Possible deaths for Edward and Mary are >> >> Deaths Mar 1863 >> Miriams Mary Thanet 2a 468 >> Deaths Dec 1863 >> Miriams Edward Thanet 2a 435 >> >> Good luck >> Suzannah >> >> "A.D.Reynolds" wrote: >> Hi Susannah, >> That looks good. >> Interestingly Louisa Sayer's daughter Eliza Sarah, (my grandmother), > married >> Frank William MIRAMS in 1903 but not the same line as yours. He was the > son >> of William Holloway Mirams and Emily HEWETT of Birchington; Wm.Holloway's >> parents were Edward Mirams b.abt 1802 and Mary Ann SAUNDERS (born Jersey, >> C.I. abt 1807) but I haven't got any further back reliably except to say >> that my late Aunt found the marriage of a Mary HOLAWAY in a Parish > Register >> which she obviously thought significant. >> It was her notes in her personal effects which got me started on all >> this! >> >> Hope the collywobbles have settled. >> Regards, >> Tony >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ENSEMBLE SUZANNAH-FOAD" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [ISLE-OF-THANET] re Minster Workhouse >> >> >> > Hello Tony, >> > >> > Sorry for the delay in replying, we have a household sick to the >> > stomach >> with flu at present. I have added what I have so far, I will work on this >> line a bit more as soon as 100% again. Looks like a match to me >> > Kindest Regards >> > Suzannah >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Descendants of Henry Sayer >> > >> > >> > Generation No. 1 >> > >> > 1. HENRY1 SAYER was born 1796 in St Lawrence Thanet Kent, and died 16 >> Sep 1882 in Birchington Kent. He married SARAH MIRIAMS 25 Aug 1822 in All >> Saints Birchington Kent, daughter of JOHN MIRIAMS and SARAH SPRATT. She > was >> born 1803 in Monkton Thanet Kent, and died 12 Dec 1878 in Birchington > Kent. >> > Notes for HENRY SAYER: >> > Memorial Inscription on his Headstone in Birchington Churchyard Henry >> Sayer died 16th September 1882, aged 86, having for 64 years been in > service >> of one family in this parish.(Source Sheila Foreman) Died of Heart > Disease. >> Dropsy >> > 1851 Census, Agr Labourer aged 50, of The Street Birchington Kent >> > 1881 Census, aged 85, Agr Labourer of Mill Row Birchington Kent >> > Notes for SARAH MIRIAMS: >> > Died of Natural Decay at 8 Mill Row Birchington Kent (Source Sheila >> Foreman) >> > 1851 Census, aged 48 >> > More About SARAH MIRIAMS: >> > Christening: 25 Sep 1803, Monkton Thanet Kent >> > Marriage Notes for HENRY SAYER and SARAH MIRIAMS: Witnessed by Richard >> Busbridge and Elizabeth Adams >> > >> > Children of HENRY SAYER and SARAH MIRIAMS are: >> > i. MARY2 SAYER, b. 1822, Birchington Kent; m. JOHN STEVENS, 06 Jun >> 1843, Birchington Kent; b. 1815, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet. >> > More About MARY SAYER: >> > Christening: 22 Dec 1822, All Saints Birchington Kent >> > Notes for JOHN STEVENS: >> > Son of William Stevens and Sarah Castle >> > 1842, Time of marriage, Labourer of St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent >> > Marriage Notes for MARY SAYER and JOHN STEVENS: >> > All Saints >> > Witnessed by Richard Busbridge and Martha Stevens >> > 2. ii. HENRY SAYER, b. Feb 1825, Birchington Kent. >> > iii. SARAH SAYER, b. Apr 1827, Birchington Kent; d. 1827, Birchington >> Kent. >> > Notes for SARAH SAYER: >> > All Saints >> > More About SARAH SAYER: >> > Christening: 13 May 1827, Birchington Kent >> > 3. iv. STEPHEN SAYER, b. Jan 1829, Birchington Kent. >> > v. WILLIAM SAYER, b. Mar 1831, Birchington Kent. >> > More About WILLIAM SAYER: >> > Census UK 1861: 17 Apr 1831, Birchington Kent >> > vi. EDWARD SAYER, b. 1832, Birchington Kent; d. 21 May 1895, >> > Birchington >> Kent; m. EMMA SAVIN, 24 Sep 1859, Birchington Kent; b. 02 Oct 1841, >> Birchington Kent; d. 26 Dec 1936, Margate Kent. >> > Notes for EDWARD SAYER: >> > 1861 Census, Agr Labourer, Cottage, Canterbury Road, Birchington Kent >> > More About EDWARD SAYER: >> > Census UK 1861: Apr 1861, Birchington Kent >> > Notes for EMMA SAVIN: >> > Thanet Q Dec 1841 Vol 5 Page 7 >> > Died 111 All Saints Avenue (Source Sheila Foreman) >> > More About EMMA SAVIN: >> > Christening: 12 Dec 1841, Birchington Kent >> > Marriage Notes for EDWARD SAYER and EMMA SAVIN: >> > Salem Baptist Chapel >> > vii. JOHN SAYER, b. Feb 1834, Birchington Kent; m. JOSEPHINE UNKNOWN, >> 1855, St Peter's Thanet Kent; b. 1836, Margate Kent. >> > Notes for JOHN SAYER: >> > Nieces Sarah aged 15 and Emma Sayer aged 14 staying with John and >> > Josephine on the 1881 Census. >> > 1861 Census, Agr labourer of Garlinge Thanet Kent >> > 1881 Census, Fly Proprietor and Lodging House Keeper of Buenos Ayres >> > Margate Kent. Aged 47 >> > More About JOHN SAYER: >> > Census UK 1861: Apr 1861, Garlinge Thanet Kent >> > Census UK 1881: Apr 1881, Margate Kent >> > Christening: 16 Mar 1834, All Saints Birchington Kent >> > 4. viii. JAMES SAYER, b. Jan 1836, Birchington Kent. >> > ix. ELIZABETH SAYER, b. Jul 1838, Birchington Kent. >> > Notes for ELIZABETH SAYER: >> > 1851 Census, aged 12 >> > More About ELIZABETH SAYER: >> > Christening: 05 Aug 1838, All Saints Birchington Kent >> > x. THOMAS SAYER, b. 10 May 1841, Birchington Kent; d. 19 Feb 1904, >> Birchington Kent; m. CHARLOTTE HOLTUM. >> > Notes for THOMAS SAYER: >> > 1851 Census,a ged 9 >> > xi. GEORGE SAYER, b. 1845, Birchington Kent. >> > Notes for GEORGE SAYER: >> > 1851 Census, aged 7 >> > xii. WILLIAM HOLLIN SAYER, b. Sep 1845, Birchington Kent; m. JANE >> COZENS, 1866, St John's Margate Kent; b. 1845, Margate Kent. >> > Notes for WILLIAM HOLLIN SAYER: >> > 1851 Census, aged 5 >> > More About WILLIAM HOLLIN SAYER: >> > Christening: 19 Oct 1845, All Saints Birchington Kent >> > xiii. SAMUEL SAYER, b. Oct 1850, Birchington Kent; d. 1851, Birchington >> Kent. >> > Notes for SAMUEL SAYER: >> > 1851 Census, aged 6 months >> > 1881, Aged 30 Unmarried and living with father Henry at Mill Row >> > Birchington Kent >> > More About SAMUEL SAYER: >> > Christening: 10 Nov 1850, All Saints Birchington Kent >> > xiv. SAMUEL SAYER, b. Jul 1851, Birchington Kent. >> > Notes for SAMUEL SAYER: >> > Occupation: Bricklayers Labourer >> > More About SAMUEL SAYER: >> > Christening: 10 Aug 1851, All Saints Birchington Kent >> > xv. ROSE SAYER, b. 1866, Birchington Kent. >> > >> > Generation No. 2 >> > >> > 2. HENRY2 SAYER (HENRY1) was born Feb 1825 in Birchington Kent. He >> married EMMA ANN UNKNOWN 1848 in St John's Margate Kent. She was born >> 1829 >> in Staple Kent, and died Mar 1908 in St Peter's Thanet Kent. >> > Notes for HENRY SAYER: >> > Boarder on the 1861 Census, William Hawleyer aged 1 month born Margate >> > Grand daughter Florence S Pointer staying with the family on the 1881 >> Census. >> > Also 6 Boarders >> > Henry S Stace aged 25 Carpenter born Kennington Surrey >> > Charles T Powell aged 25, Clerk born Bishopsgate London >> > Thomas Haismer aged 43 Bricklayer born Faversham Kent >> > Thomas Haismer aged 16 Bricklayers Labourer born Faversham >> > Austin J Long aged 21, Bricklayers Labourer born Boughton Kent >> > 1851 Census, aged 26 Unmarried >> > 1861 Census, Bricklayer of Garlinge Thanet Kent >> > More About HENRY SAYER: >> > Christening: 20 Mar 1825, All Saints Birchington Kent >> > >> > Children of HENRY SAYER and EMMA UNKNOWN are: >> > i. MARY A3 SAYER, b. Jun 1849, Birchington Kent. >> > Notes for MARY A SAYER: >> > Thanet Vol 5 Page 511 >> > ii. EMMA ANN SAYER, b. Dec 1852, Margate Kent; d. 10 Feb 1897, Margate >> Kent; m. HENRY CHARLES S POINTER, Dec 1873, Margate Thanet Kent; b. 1852, >> Thanet Kent. >> > Notes for EMMA ANN SAYER: >> > Thanet Vol 2a Page 563 >> > 1881 Census, aged 28, living with her husband Henry at 2 Chester Road >> > Margate Kent >> > Children, >> > Eliza A Pointer aged 8 >> > Rebecca E Pointer aged 3 >> > Emma aged 10 Months born Westgate >> > More About HENRY CHARLES S POINTER: >> > Census UK 1881: Apr 1881, Margate Kent >> > Marriage Notes for EMMA SAYER and HENRY POINTER: >> > Thanet Vol 2a Page 1004 >> > iii. REBECCA SAYER, b. 1856, Margate Kent; m. RICHARD TUMBER, Dec 1878, >> St Peter's Thanet Kent; b. 1855, Ash Kent. >> > Notes for REBECCA SAYER: >> > 1881 Census, aged 25 living at 8 Chester Road with husband Richard >> > Tumber. (Sister Emma lives 6 doors away at 2 Chester Road.) >> > Children >> > Richard Tumber aged 1 Westgate >> > Alice aged 7 Months Westgate >> > More About RICHARD TUMBER: >> > Census UK 1881: Apr 1881, Margate Kent >> > Marriage Notes for REBECCA SAYER and RICHARD TUMBER: >> > Thanet Vol 2a Page 1536 >> > iv. WILLIAM SAYER, b. Dec 1866, Garlinge Kent; d. Jun 1898, St Peter's >> Thanet Kent. >> > Notes for WILLIAM SAYER: >> > Thanet Vol 2a Page 770 >> > Thanet Vol 2a Page 512 >> > Aged 32 >> > 1881 Census, aged 16, Bricklayer >> > v. ELLEN SAYER, b. 1870, Garlinge Kent. >> > >> > 3. STEPHEN2 SAYER (HENRY1) was born Jan 1829 in Birchington Kent. He >> married ELIZA GODDEN 21 May 1853 in All Saints Birchington Kent. She was >> born 1833 in Kent, and died Bef. 1881 in St Peter's Thanet Kent. >> > More About STEPHEN SAYER: >> > Christening: 11 Jan 1829, All Saints, Birchington Kent >> > Notes for ELIZA GODDEN: >> > Daughter of William Godden >> > Marriage Notes for STEPHEN SAYER and ELIZA GODDEN: Witnessed by Edward >> and Elizabeth Sayer. >> > >> > Children of STEPHEN SAYER and ELIZA GODDEN are: >> > i. JAMES3 SAYER, b. 1853, Birchington Kent. >> > More About JAMES SAYER: >> > Christening: 18 Sep 1853, All Saints Birchington Kent >> > ii. CHARLES WILLIAM SAYER, b. 1856, Birchington Kent. >> > iii. LOUISA SAYER, b. 1858, Birchington Kent. >> > iv. JAMES SAYER, b. 1874, Birchington Kent; d. 10 Mar 1949, Birchington >> Kent. >> > >> > 4. JAMES2 SAYER (HENRY1) was born Jan 1836 in Birchington Kent. He >> married EMMA MILLGATE 1859 in Blean Kent. She was born 1838 in Acol Kent. >> > Notes for JAMES SAYER: >> > 1851, Aged 15 >> > 1871 Census, Waggoner of the Street, St Nicholas Thanet Kent >> > 1881 Census, The Street, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. Farm Waggoner >> > 1891 Census, Agr Labourer of The Street St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent >> > More About JAMES SAYER: >> > Christening: 21 Feb 1836, All Saints, Birchington Kent >> > >> > Children of JAMES SAYER and EMMA MILLGATE are: >> > i. HENRY3 SAYER, b. 1860, Chislet Kent. >> > Notes for HENRY SAYER: >> > 1871 Census, Employed on farm aged 11 >> > ii. ELEANOR SAYER, b. 1862, Chislet Kent. >> > iii. JAMES SAYER, b. 1865, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. >> > iv. EMMA SAYER, b. 1867, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. >> > 5. v. LOUISA MARY SAYER, b. 1870, St Nicholas Thanet Kent. >> > vi. JOHN SAYER, b. 1872, St Nicholas at Wade, Thanet Kent. >> > vii. GEORGE SAYER, b. 1875, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. >> > viii. WILLIAM ALAN SAYER, b. 1877, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. >> > Notes for WILLIAM ALAN SAYER: >> > 1891 Census, Agr Labourer aged 14 >> > ix. ELIZABETH MARY SAYER, b. 1880, St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent. >> > x. ARTHUR E SAYER, b. 1884, St Nicholas Thanet Kent. >> > Notes for ARTHUR E SAYER: >> > 1901 Census, Staying with hs sister Louisa and brother in law Thomas >> Ireland at The Street St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent Groom Domestic. >> > >> > Generation No. 3 >> > >> > 5. LOUISA MARY3 SAYER (JAMES2, HENRY1) was born 1870 in St Nicholas >> Thanet Kent. She married THOMAS RAINER IRELAND Dec 1892 in Blean Kent, >> son >> of JOHN IRELAND and HARRIETT MARTIN. He was born Dec 1867 in Chislet >> Kent. >> > Notes for LOUISA MARY SAYER: >> > 1891 Census, staying with her Uncle William Sayer a Cow Keeper at Edgar >> House Minster. Louisa is a Housekeeper to her widowed Uncle, possibly >> till >> the time of her marriage in 1892. Next door to William Sayer is John and >> Emma Foad. >> > 1901 Census, aged 31, The Street St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent >> > Arthur E Sayer Brother of Louisa, staying on Census night, aged 17, >> Groom. >> > Notes for THOMAS RAINER IRELAND: Blean Vol 2a Page 1210 >> > 1881 Census, aged 13 and working as a Farm servant. >> > 1901 Census, aged 33 Waggoner on Farm, The Street, St Nicholas at Wade >> Thanet Kent >> > Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 819; Folio: 57; Page: 8. >> > 1936 Kelly's Directory 2 Wellington Cottages, St Nicholas at Wade >> > Thanet >> Kent >> > Marriage Notes for LOUISA SAYER and THOMAS IRELAND: Thanet Vol 2a Page >> 1797 >> > >> > Child of LOUISA SAYER and THOMAS IRELAND is: >> > i. EDWIN C4 IRELAND, b. 1894, St Nicholas at Wade Kent. >> > Notes for EDWIN C IRELAND: >> > 1901 Census, aged 7 The Street St Nicholas at Wade Thanet Kent with >> parents >> > >> > >> > >> > "A.D.Reynolds" wrote: >> > Thanks to all for helpful postings. >> > >> > Susannah, >> > >> > I have Louisa Sayer born to Stephen Sayer and Eliza nee Godden at >> Birchington 17 Feb 1858. Parents married Birchington Parish Church 21 May >> 1853, his father was a Henry Sayer ?yours. >> > >> > Louisa married Frederick James Cox at All Saints' Birchington 20 >> > October >> 1878. She was then a spinster which agrees with no husband at my >> grandmother's birth in August. >> > >> > I got my certificates from Thanet Registration so not sure of GRO ref. >> > I >> can only see one Louisa on the Index. >> > >> > Tony >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Suzannah and any other listers who can help. I may be having a senior moment here but I ended up at a rootsweb page listing marriages of people in Kent with surnames beginning with the letter S. There wasn't any other information on the page, no place to click to return to the home page. The page in question is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~engken/sm.txt Can anyone tell me how I can access the other letters of the alphabet. There's probably an easy explanation, but it's got me confused. Laurie Bridger.

I have ancestors from Preston near Wickham in Kent, so it exists. Perhaps look up Preston? L. Neame -----Original Message----- From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louise Harris Sent: October 30, 2006 9:28 AM To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com Subject: [ISLE-OF-THANET] Kennett research place name Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me to pin something down. I have been tracking a bit further back through my Kennetts over the weekend (bad cold, so I sat in front of the fire with the laptop) I got as far as Thomas born 1776. He seems to have married Mary Fox in Monkton in 1801 and he lives in Monkton on the 1841 and 51 censuses, but they do not contain a place of birth. On the 1861 census he is still in Monkton, but his place of birth I think looks like Wickham. I went over and over it. It is definitely in Kent. I looked at the road map and see that there is East and West Wickham but also in Thanet, Wickhambreaux. Is there any other place in Thanet, maybe somewhere small which is not on the road map which it may mean? Or could it be Wickhambreaux. I am wondering why it just says Wickham and does not distinguish between East and West. Any help or opinions would be much appreciated. Louise ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was reading about the origin of the name Setterfield on the Internet yesterday and it says the name originated from Satterthwaite in the Lake District from the Old English 'saetr' shieling plus old Norse 'pveit' pasture. Variations are Satterfitt and Setterfield. Does anyone have any idea if and when the IOT Setterfields migrated from the Lake District and why? Chris

Hi Susannah Clive Mirams USA runs Mirams.net and has made a brave attempt at a full database. Some of his guesses/assumptions are wrong. I have corrected the information from Edward Mirams/Mary Saunders to my generation (myself and two cousins who are siblings) but listers should not accept his information uncritically. Re the Holaway name: not only was my great grandfather William Holloway Mirams but I have just remembered his grandson, son of Harry Mirams was Albert Edward Hector Holloway Mirams (aka Eddy), so I still think my Mary Holaway marriage must be importance. Regards, Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzannah Foad" <suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com> To: <isle-of-thanet-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 6:49 PM Subject: [ISLE-OF-THANET] Mirams > Dear Tony and Pat, > > Have just been looking for something on Ramsgate and came across a whole > webpage dedicated to the Mirams. > It has both your relatives listed and a whole family tree. We were correct > in saying the parents were John and Mary Tywman. > > http://www.mirams.net/phpGedView/index.php?command=gedcom&PHPSESSID=20cdb51b28c7124836c03c110eef44e6 > > Regards > Suzannah > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Isle of Thanet Gazette Oct 1917 A General Favourite Margate's Parents Second Loss Mrs D PHILPOTT, of Perry Wood, Silling, has received news that her husband Pte D PHILPOTT, The Buffs, was killed in action on 5th October. He was the second son of Mr and Mrs Robert PHILPOTT, of St Winifred's, Danesmead Terrace, Margate, and previous to the outbreak of war was employed on the Canadian and Pacific railway. IN April last he was awarded the Military Medal. When he was on leave in June he married at Faversham to Cissie, second daughter of Mr and Mrs D SEAL, of Perry Wood. This is the second son of Mr and Mrs PHILPOTT to be killed within six months. Mrs PHILPOTT has received the following letter from her late husbands platoon commander: "It is with very deepest regret that I have to inform you of the death of your husband, who was killed in action whilst performing his duties with characteristic readiness. Your husband was hit by a German shell, and was killed instantaneously, so that the only consolation I can offer you is that your dear one suffered no pain at all. We feel that the loss of 'Phil's as your husband was popularly known amongst us, very much, for he was a general favourite. This esteem he had richly earned, for among many fine qualities your husband was noted for his utter unselfishness, and many a time when things have not been going well, he had been known to do some little service to a comrade in need, but always in his quiet unassuming way. We miss him, and shall do so, and it is this we want you to now, how very much you have our deepest sympathy in this, your great grief" A picture accompanies this article.

Isle of Thanet Oct 1917 Prisoner of War A Margate Man's Death Mrs A FOORD, of 67 Tivoli Road Margate, has just been notified by the Officer in charge of records at Hounslow, of the death from wounds of her husband Pte William FOORD, East Surrey Regiment, whilst a prisoner of war in the hands of the German's in Tournai. Death is reported to have taken place on May 22nd, but presumably the report has only just been received. Pte FOORD was reported missing, and no news was received of hi for four months. Then came the information that he was a prisoner of war and wounded, and Mrs FOORD has been sending out parcels regularly ever since. Before Joining up in May 1916, Pte FOORD was an auxiliary postman at Margate for eleven years and prior to that he was in the employ of Messrs F J Bobby and Co. AS soon as his military training was completed he was drafted out to France, and had only been in the trenches four times before he was wounded and captured. He had a large number of friends in Margate, all of whom deeply deplore the sad news Mrs FOORD has received, and sincere sympathy felt for her and her young family. A picture of Pte FOORD accompanies this article.

Tony, I recognise the names you mention. If you'd like to contact me off list I will let you have what I have. Best wishes Sheila -----Original Message----- From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of isle-of-thanet-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 22 October 2006 08:02 To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com Subject: ISLE-OF-THANET Digest, Vol 1, Issue 43 Today's Topics: 1. minster workhouse (A.D.Reynolds) 2. Minster Workhouse Sayer - Mirams (Suzannah Foad) 3. Re: minster workhouse (Misterchris4686@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:58:59 +0100 From: "A.D.Reynolds" <adr@westlodge37.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: [ISLE-OF-THANET] minster workhouse To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001f01c6f54b$59992980$4d204d51@tiny> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can anyone help with Minster Workhouse records? I contacted Kent Archives a while ago and there seemed then to be some confusion as to their exact whereabouts. Louisa Sayer b.1858 gave birth to my grandmother Eliza Sarah there 21 August 1878 and married Frederick James Cox or Cocks on 20 October. I have assumed he was the putative father but wonder if her admission notes might give information. William H.Mirams' death was registered by the Workhouse Master 3 June 1906. His H was recorded as Henry. My great grandfather was William Holloway Mirams and he is the only W.H. I can find. Again, I have assumed they are the same but would like to be more sure. The name is so unusual I am surprised at the apparent error. I once mentioned the Workhouse in complete innocence when staying with my grandparents and the response was distinctly "shock horror". Advice appreciated, Tony Reynolds in Lincoln ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:19:02 +0100 From: "Suzannah Foad" <suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com> Subject: [ISLE-OF-THANET] Minster Workhouse Sayer - Mirams To: <isle-of-thanet-l@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <004e01c6f54e$28e183c0$5a0f7ad5@YOUR22239C3023> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Tony, Was your Louisa Sayer 1858 born in Birchington to Henry Sayer 1796-1882 and Sarah Mirams 1803-1878. Henry's brother Edward 1796-1863 married my Mary FOAD 1796-1863. Another brother John Mirams 1794-1873 married Mary Foad's sister Jane FOAD born 1799. The Minster Records are at the East Kent Archives Centre, Enterprise Zone, Honeywood Road, Whitfield, Dover CT16 3EH. Holdings include: Guardians' minutes (1835-1930); Ledger (1835-1930, with gaps); Births and baptisms (1848-66, 1905-29); Deaths (1866-1931); Creed register (1905-30); Admissions and discharges (1872-1930); Inmates' complaints (1895-1909); Punishment book (1895-1914); etc. Good luck Suzannah From:"A.D.Reynolds" <adr@westlodge37.freeserve.co.uk> To:isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com Date:Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:58:59 +0100 Subject:[ISLE-OF-THANET] minster workhouse Can anyone help with Minster Workhouse records? I contacted Kent Archives a while ago and there seemed then to be some confusion as to their exact whereabouts. Louisa Sayer b.1858 gave birth to my grandmother Eliza Sarah there 21 August 1878 and married Frederick James Cox or Cocks on 20 October. I have assumed he was the putative father but wonder if her admission notes might give information. William H.Mirams' death was registered by the Workhouse Master 3 June 1906. His H was recorded as Henry. My great grandfather was William Holloway Mirams and he is the only W.H. I can find. Again, I have assumed they are the same but would like to be more sure. The name is so unusual I am surprised at the apparent error. I once mentioned the Workhouse in complete innocence when staying with my grandparents and the response was distinctly "shock horror". Advice appreciated, Tony Reynolds in Lincoln ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:43:43 EDT From: Misterchris4686@aol.com Subject: Re: [ISLE-OF-THANET] minster workhouse To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3ab.9756d70.326be07f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" If it's any help I have a Mary Ann Mirams born about 1840 in Margate and died about September 1884 in Thanet. She married Robert Setterfield in June 1868 in Thanet and bore him 7 children. I know it's not a lot but it may fit the jigsaw somewhere. Chris ------------------------------ To contact the ISLE-OF-THANET list administrator, send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the ISLE-OF-THANET mailing list, send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ISLE-OF-THANET Digest, Vol 1, Issue 43 *********************************************

Would the Eastland researcher have an E EASTLAND in the Workhouse that can tie in with living at 14 Clifton Street Margate. There is a document now available for viewing at the East Kent Archives regarding the sale of his house to pay for his maintenence in the Thanet Union Workhouse THANET UNION Administration of the Union Miscellaneous - ref. G/TH/A/Z FILE - Distraints, Maintenance Claims, etc. - ref. G/TH/A/Z/18 - date: 1868-1915 [Access Conditions] Some closed for 100 years item: Sale of life interest in 14, Clifton Street, Margate, for maintenance of E.Eastland in Workhouse - ref. G/TH/A/Z/18/11 - date: 1906 [Access Conditions] Closed for 100 years

Looking at the local papers, (Thanet Gazette) the TWYMAN's never seem to be out of them. You may recall I posted some items on the Pesky Twyman's at the beginning of this year and end of last, well, there's more. I am starting to feel sorry for a family who could never get on their feet and wonder if anyone will claim these are there ancestors one day? 2nd June 1906 A Homeless Family At the Margate Police Court on Friday, Walter TWYMAN, no fixed abode, was charged with sleeping out without visible means of subsistence. P.S Neve said that at 5 o'clock that morning he went to a yard at the back of 5 Dane Hill and found the defendant asleep there. With him were his two boys and a daughter, a girl of about 16 years of age. When spoken to, the defendant said Mr Adams knew they were sleeping there, but on enquiry, this statement was found to be incorrect. Defendant admitted he slept there with the boys nine nights, but said that the girl only came there that night as she has just left her situation. He had taken the children from the workhouse as he was hopeful of providing a good home for them. Chief constable Appleyard gave the defendant a bad character. He described him as a source of considerable trouble to everyone, having no home, he slept anywhere and was refused admission to any houses because he would never pay any rent. Whilst he was in prison recently the children had been looked after by anybody, the boys did odd jobs, picking up copper as they could, but the girl had been in a situation, which she had left because she alleged the mistress was unkind to her, and she said she would rather sleep out that put up with it. A Gentleman has promised to find employment for the girl, but on making enquiries, that offer had been withdrawn. The mother, he understood, was in the infirmary suffering from an incurable disease. Upon the defendant agreeing to go into the Workhouse with the children until next meeting of the Board of Guardians, the case was adjourned. 16th February 1907 A Very Lame Defence. Walter TWYMAN, no fixed abode, was charged with the theft of a pair of brass rowlocks, between February 8th and 11th, property of John R SANDWELL, a Boatman and valued by the owner at 8s. The prisoner pleaded not guilty. Mr SANDWELL residing at 11 Trinity Square, Margate, said eh was the owner of the boat 'WINIFRED', which had been beached at Cold Harbour most of the winter. He identified the pair of rowlocks produced as his, and which he saw safe on his craft on Saturday morning 11 o'clock. When he examined the boat again on Monday evening he found the lanyards cut and the rowlocks taken away. He contacted the Police disirectly. He valued the rowlocks at 4s each. The prisoner pointed out to him that he has said the lanyards had been cut, but he never carried a knife. P.C Creed said that acting to a communication made to him by Mr SANDWELL, he made enquiries relating to a pair of rowlocks missing from the Wherry 'WINIFRED'. He proceeded to Messrs Tannenbaum Bros, King Street and found the Rowlocks in pledge there, which Mr SANDWELL identified as his property. Later he arrested the prisoner at the common lodging house and at the Police Station charged him with the theft. Prisoner replied "I never stole them, I pawned them, but I will not tell you who for". On being searched, a pawn ticket for 1s 6d in the prisoner's name, for a pair of rowlocks, was found in his possession. Gilbert COOK, assistant at Tannenbaums stated that he had taken the rowlocks in pledge from the prisoner at 6.30pm on Monday evening and that he asked for 1s 6d. The prisoners defence was that he had not stolen the rowlocks but merely pawned them on behalf of somebody he refused to name, he receiving 2d for his trouble, that the sum being all that was found in his pockets. The Chairman asked the Police record against him. The Chief Constable replied "There are 25 previous convictions, for drunkenness, assault and sleeping out, but none for larcency." The Chairman said, You will not divulge the name of the man for whom you say you pledged the rowlocks, nor call anyone as a witness. To the minds of the bench you stole them and the only course we have is to send you to prison for one month with hard labour. 15th June 1907 A Question of Permission Arthur TWYMAN, no fixed residence, was again charged with the Vagrancy Act, with sleeping out the previous (Sunday) night. Police Sergeant Bellingham deposed to finding defendant asleep under a manger in Mr TOBIN's Stables. Owing to complaints received from Mr TOBIN, defendants brother in law, Defendant was locked up and charges. Chief Constable Appleyard stated that the Police had been asked to keep defendant away from the stable as he had made the place verminous. Mr TOBIN was afraid to come to the Court because he feared violence from the defendant. The chairman said defendant now knew he must not go to the stables and on promising not to go there again, summons were dismissed.

Keble's Gazette 17th March 1906 Prison for Tramp Yesterday before Mr John Stokes (In the chair) and Mr S H Munns, Mary Ann McCarthy. no fixed abode, was charged with being drunk and disorderly the previous evening in Mill Lane and pleaded guilty to drunkenness but denied being disorderly. P.C Hogben said at 6.30pm the previous evening he was on duty in Mill Lane, where he saw the prisoner surrounded by a crowd of children, to whom she was using bad language. He ordered her away and she went into High Street then Church Square, where he was on account of her disorderly conduct, compelled to take her into custody. P.S Bellingham said all was done that was possible to get the woman away for the sake of decency, and she was advised to leave the town, but she absolutely refused. The prisoner said she was excited by the children around her, Chief Constable Appleyard stated that the woman used bad language in the Police Station, where there were no children. She was a stranger to Police at Margate. The prisoner was fined 10s and was sent to prison for seven days in default of payment.

The "boot is on the other foot" these days. It is a pity that they don't round up some of the foul mouthed children / adolescence & treat them that same way. Norma In a message dated 28/10/2006 12:21:38 GMT Standard Time, suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com writes: Keble's Gazette 17th March 1906 Prison for Tramp Yesterday before Mr John Stokes (In the chair) and Mr S H Munns, Mary Ann McCarthy. no fixed abode, was charged with being drunk and disorderly the previous evening in Mill Lane and pleaded guilty to drunkenness but denied being disorderly. P.C Hogben said at 6.30pm the previous evening he was on duty in Mill Lane, where he saw the prisoner surrounded by a crowd of children, to whom she was using bad language. He ordered her away and she went into High Street then Church Square, where he was on account of her disorderly conduct, compelled to take her into custody. P.S Bellingham said all was done that was possible to get the woman away for the sake of decency, and she was advised to leave the town, but she absolutely refused. The prisoner said she was excited by the children around her, Chief Constable Appleyard stated that the woman used bad language in the Police Station, where there were no children. She was a stranger to Police at Margate. The prisoner was fined 10s and was sent to prison for seven days in default of payment. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Suzannah. I'll give it a whirl. Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent Dear Tony and Pat, Have just been looking for something on Ramsgate and came across a whole webpage dedicated to the Mirams. It has both your relatives listed and a whole family tree. We were correct in saying the parents were John and Mary Tywman. http://www.mirams.net/phpGedView/index.php?command=gedcom&PHPSESSID=20cdb51b28c7124836c03c110eef44e6 Regards Suzannah ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Tony and Pat, Have just been looking for something on Ramsgate and came across a whole webpage dedicated to the Mirams. It has both your relatives listed and a whole family tree. We were correct in saying the parents were John and Mary Tywman. http://www.mirams.net/phpGedView/index.php?command=gedcom&PHPSESSID=20cdb51b28c7124836c03c110eef44e6 Regards Suzannah

Hi all I have been drawn in by Sean and his description of his father playing at the Golden Garter. I went to school with your sister, Lorna and our fathers were friends in those days both being 'Minster men'. (my dad is also known as Colin to confuse matters) .. Me and my sisters were regularly given a night out at the Golden Garter to see Al and his band (dad still has some LP's). I remember Ronnie Winters also ! Another memory I have of the Lido in later years was playing in the Thanet Junior table tennis league that was held there every Friday night. The fathers of the team members took it in turns to give us the lift from Minster to Margate and would spend the evening waiting in the Jamaica Inn ! (drink drive wasn't so taboo in those days) I will forward this thread to my dad who will be interested in Seans memories. Regards Colin -----Original Message----- From: Sean Doherty [mailto:se@ndoherty.co.uk] Sent: 26 October 2006 21:12 To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ISLE-OF-THANET] The Lido, Margate Hi Yes I can give you some info re the Lido My father Al Doherty used to appear there in the Golden Garter along with Sheriff Danny Arnold who sadly passed away a few years ago. My father died 25 years ago this week. He did several summer seasons with Danny and some without. Other Artists that appeared in the Golden Garter were George Brown and I am still in touch with his daughter and son and in fact we play in a band Alabama Express to continue the tradition. Others who appeared in the Golden Garter are Ronnie Winters did a season there also Jean Reeves, (seen in many TV ads afterwards) Jimmy Grant Jan Holly now living in Texas she has a website with pictures of the Golden Garter http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/guynew/sheet/jan.htm Les Bagulay (Piano) his son edits the Country music magazine Country Music People Also the Lido Theatre were dad put on many Country shows and I also appeared with him in a summer season with Tommy Trinder I rember Les Shannon appearing there also Tony Savage used to be the organist on the Sun Terrace and also in the Jamaica inn. Dad also used to run a Country Music club on Fridays in the winter in the Jamaica inn There was also Hades night club in the Lido complex along with the French bar next to the Golden Garter and also the Old Tyme Music hall on the upper floor. There was also a snooker hall where I first experienced a full size snooker table. And not forgetting the Lido swimming pool and the Miss Lido competitions they used to have there. I could go on would love to see any photos people have of the Golden Garter I have some which I will have to scan Sean Doherty -----Original Message----- From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Langston Sent: 26 October 2006 19:11 To: Isle of Thanet Subject: [ISLE-OF-THANET] The Lido, Margate Hi all My parents and grandfather were involved with the Lido during the 1960's. Both my mum and dad worked in I think the western bar, might have been star and garter, it was a pretend cowboy theme. Also my grandfather died when he fell from scaffolding while working in the games room in Dec 1962. I would like any information, maybe there as been a book on the history of the Lido written, or if anyone knows about the Lido during the 1960's I would appreciate it. Thanks - Mike ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the http://www.orbital.net MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message