With regard to deceased people not being shown as such on certificates - my great grandfather died in 1887, but on my grandparent's wedding certificate in 1901, the bride's father is shown as "of independent means"! Margaret in Perth, Western Australia > From: MICHAELCOOMBER@aol.com > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:57:14 -0400 > To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > > Hi Chris, > Did you realise that your James Wood was married twice & had at least 10 > children ? Maybe a tragedy to one of the children caused him to "flip" !! > > We haven't discovered the maiden name of his first wife, Mary Anne, as we > haven't found a marriage, but she appears to have died soon after the 1871 > census, aged 37. ( St. Saviour Reg District June Qtr 1871 1d 92 ) > At that time they had 6 children. James was at that time a Clerk to a > Government Contractor. > James married Georgina GODDARD ( daughter of William Goddard & Elizabeth, > according to Batch No. C001453 on IGI ) > They married at St. Saviour Reg. District 1d 283 Sept Qtr 1874. Maybe > Georgina was hired by him to look after the children, & he later married her & > had more children. > Their daughter Georgina Mildred Wood born on 27th March 1879 was not > Baptised until 25th July 1904. She was an Elementary School Teacher. Her > parents were shown as James & Georgina, James was NOT shown as Deceased on her > Baptism record. Also Frederick Walter was Baptised as an Adult on 25th > Nov. 1894. As with Georgina, James is NOT shown as Deceased. Please don't > think we are disputing James's death. Georgina Wood, senior, is clearly shown > as Widowed on 1901 census, as you no doubt know. The family continued to > live at 15, Finchley Rd. where he lived with Mary Anne, in 1871. > All the Best with your Research, > Mick & Norma Coomber > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

no disrespect, but you must be Very old :-{)} ----- Original Message ----- From: "PJK :o))" <patinkent@yahoo.co.uk> To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > Lol !! Just pretend I'm your Mum !! :o) > > Pat.xxx :o)) > A Maid of Kent > > > ;-{)} > > I know when I'm in trouble because that's when I'm called by my full > name, > but capitas too --- ouch. > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PJK :o))" <patinkent@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > > > > CHRISTOPHER !!!! Shock !! Horror !!! You aren't sure if Ramsgate comes > > under the remit the Thanet List ???????????? Ramsgate is THE premier > town > > of Thanet !!!!! :o) > > > > I'm glad you managed to get some good info from the library. Makes he > hair > > pulling all worthwhile, doesn't it ? :o) > > > > Pat.xxx :o)) born, bred & living in said premier town !!! > > A Maid of Kent > > > > > > Hallo, > > > > My first visit to your forum - I am not certain whether Ramsgate comes > > within your remit and apologies if it does not. > > > > I recently found a Will of one of my maternal gt. grandfathers who > > 'drowned > > at sea' in 1891 > > I then bought his death certificate that shows his body was found 'on > the > > High Seas off Ramsgate' and that an inquiry had been held. > > > > I contacted kent-eng@rootsweb.com and was advised to contacted > Ramsgate > > Library and I was kindly sent a copy of the report of this inquiry in > the > > Kent Coast Times of 30th. July 1891. > > > > Cutting this to the minimum, it appears that this Londoner used to > visit > > a > > lodging house in Ramsgate ... presumably for the family summer > holiday. > > On > > this occassion he was last seen by his wife when he left their home in > > Newington . 9th.July. It would appear that he visited the lodging > house > > keeper who last saw him on the evening of the 10th., giving him his > watch > > etc. to hold ..... > > James sent his wife a post card at about 7.20 that evening, which she > > received about 10 that evening (!), saying that he had left his watch > > etc > > with the lodging house keeper. > > > > 11th. July he boarded the paddle steamer ORIEOLE (official number > 95435) > > at Ramsgate, and shortly after was lost overboard. > > His body was found 8 miles off North Foreland on 23rd. July and an > > inquiry > > was held on the 25th. > > > > Although there were strong hints that he may have committed suicide, > > the > > jury returned a verdict of 'Found Drowned' which is not very > > satisfactory. > > > > The paddle steamer ORIOLE ran between London Bridge, Ramsgate and > Great > > Yarmouth, calling in at Harwich. (She later ran to Margate). > > > > I have checked with the MUN archives in Newfoundland which holds most > of > > the > > 'Bristish Registrar of Ships and Seamen' records, and they have the > > original crew list for the ORIOLE for 1891, but not the log books. > It > > is > > very unlikely that a coastal ferry would have kept passenger lists at > > that > > time and so I will gain nothing from those records. > > > > I would assume that he and his family took the ORIOLE from London to > > Ramsgate as part of their holiday in Ramsgate. On this occassion, it > > would > > be interesting to know whether he joined the ship at Ramsgate on her > > return > > journey from Gt. Yarmouth to London, or on an outward journey from > > Ramsgate > > to Gt. Yarmouth. If the latter, this might indicate that he had > > intended > > to jump overboard and that the direction of the ship was irrelevent. > If > > the > > ship was bound for London, his going overboard may have been > accidental. > > > > I wonder therefore if anyone might know where I might find a copy of > the > > ORIOLE's schedule for July 1891. > > She was built for and at that time owned by the General Steam > Navigation > > Co. > > Ltd. > > > > Thank you, > > Chris > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3205 - Release Date: > 10/18/10 > > 18:34:00 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 > 18:34:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3207 - Release Date: 10/19/10 >

Hi Chris, Did you realise that your James Wood was married twice & had at least 10 children ? Maybe a tragedy to one of the children caused him to "flip" !! We haven't discovered the maiden name of his first wife, Mary Anne, as we haven't found a marriage, but she appears to have died soon after the 1871 census, aged 37. ( St. Saviour Reg District June Qtr 1871 1d 92 ) At that time they had 6 children. James was at that time a Clerk to a Government Contractor. James married Georgina GODDARD ( daughter of William Goddard & Elizabeth, according to Batch No. C001453 on IGI ) They married at St. Saviour Reg. District 1d 283 Sept Qtr 1874. Maybe Georgina was hired by him to look after the children, & he later married her & had more children. Their daughter Georgina Mildred Wood born on 27th March 1879 was not Baptised until 25th July 1904. She was an Elementary School Teacher. Her parents were shown as James & Georgina, James was NOT shown as Deceased on her Baptism record. Also Frederick Walter was Baptised as an Adult on 25th Nov. 1894. As with Georgina, James is NOT shown as Deceased. Please don't think we are disputing James's death. Georgina Wood, senior, is clearly shown as Widowed on 1901 census, as you no doubt know. The family continued to live at 15, Finchley Rd. where he lived with Mary Anne, in 1871. All the Best with your Research, Mick & Norma Coomber

Lol !! Just pretend I'm your Mum !! :o) Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent ;-{)} I know when I'm in trouble because that's when I'm called by my full name, but capitas too --- ouch. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "PJK :o))" <patinkent@yahoo.co.uk> To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > CHRISTOPHER !!!! Shock !! Horror !!! You aren't sure if Ramsgate comes > under the remit the Thanet List ???????????? Ramsgate is THE premier town > of Thanet !!!!! :o) > > I'm glad you managed to get some good info from the library. Makes he hair > pulling all worthwhile, doesn't it ? :o) > > Pat.xxx :o)) born, bred & living in said premier town !!! > A Maid of Kent > > > Hallo, > > My first visit to your forum - I am not certain whether Ramsgate comes > within your remit and apologies if it does not. > > I recently found a Will of one of my maternal gt. grandfathers who > 'drowned > at sea' in 1891 > I then bought his death certificate that shows his body was found 'on the > High Seas off Ramsgate' and that an inquiry had been held. > > I contacted kent-eng@rootsweb.com and was advised to contacted Ramsgate > Library and I was kindly sent a copy of the report of this inquiry in the > Kent Coast Times of 30th. July 1891. > > Cutting this to the minimum, it appears that this Londoner used to visit > a > lodging house in Ramsgate ... presumably for the family summer holiday. > On > this occassion he was last seen by his wife when he left their home in > Newington . 9th.July. It would appear that he visited the lodging house > keeper who last saw him on the evening of the 10th., giving him his watch > etc. to hold ..... > James sent his wife a post card at about 7.20 that evening, which she > received about 10 that evening (!), saying that he had left his watch > etc > with the lodging house keeper. > > 11th. July he boarded the paddle steamer ORIEOLE (official number 95435) > at Ramsgate, and shortly after was lost overboard. > His body was found 8 miles off North Foreland on 23rd. July and an > inquiry > was held on the 25th. > > Although there were strong hints that he may have committed suicide, > the > jury returned a verdict of 'Found Drowned' which is not very > satisfactory. > > The paddle steamer ORIOLE ran between London Bridge, Ramsgate and Great > Yarmouth, calling in at Harwich. (She later ran to Margate). > > I have checked with the MUN archives in Newfoundland which holds most of > the > 'Bristish Registrar of Ships and Seamen' records, and they have the > original crew list for the ORIOLE for 1891, but not the log books. It > is > very unlikely that a coastal ferry would have kept passenger lists at > that > time and so I will gain nothing from those records. > > I would assume that he and his family took the ORIOLE from London to > Ramsgate as part of their holiday in Ramsgate. On this occassion, it > would > be interesting to know whether he joined the ship at Ramsgate on her > return > journey from Gt. Yarmouth to London, or on an outward journey from > Ramsgate > to Gt. Yarmouth. If the latter, this might indicate that he had > intended > to jump overboard and that the direction of the ship was irrelevent. If > the > ship was bound for London, his going overboard may have been accidental. > > I wonder therefore if anyone might know where I might find a copy of the > ORIOLE's schedule for July 1891. > She was built for and at that time owned by the General Steam Navigation > Co. > Ltd. > > Thank you, > Chris > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 > 18:34:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 18:34:00

;-{)} I know when I'm in trouble because that's when I'm called by my full name, but capitas too --- ouch. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "PJK :o))" <patinkent@yahoo.co.uk> To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > CHRISTOPHER !!!! Shock !! Horror !!! You aren't sure if Ramsgate comes > under the remit the Thanet List ???????????? Ramsgate is THE premier town > of Thanet !!!!! :o) > > I'm glad you managed to get some good info from the library. Makes he hair > pulling all worthwhile, doesn't it ? :o) > > Pat.xxx :o)) born, bred & living in said premier town !!! > A Maid of Kent > > > Hallo, > > My first visit to your forum - I am not certain whether Ramsgate comes > within your remit and apologies if it does not. > > I recently found a Will of one of my maternal gt. grandfathers who > 'drowned > at sea' in 1891 > I then bought his death certificate that shows his body was found 'on the > High Seas off Ramsgate' and that an inquiry had been held. > > I contacted kent-eng@rootsweb.com and was advised to contacted Ramsgate > Library and I was kindly sent a copy of the report of this inquiry in the > Kent Coast Times of 30th. July 1891. > > Cutting this to the minimum, it appears that this Londoner used to visit > a > lodging house in Ramsgate ... presumably for the family summer holiday. > On > this occassion he was last seen by his wife when he left their home in > Newington . 9th.July. It would appear that he visited the lodging house > keeper who last saw him on the evening of the 10th., giving him his watch > etc. to hold ..... > James sent his wife a post card at about 7.20 that evening, which she > received about 10 that evening (!), saying that he had left his watch > etc > with the lodging house keeper. > > 11th. July he boarded the paddle steamer ORIEOLE (official number 95435) > at Ramsgate, and shortly after was lost overboard. > His body was found 8 miles off North Foreland on 23rd. July and an > inquiry > was held on the 25th. > > Although there were strong hints that he may have committed suicide, > the > jury returned a verdict of 'Found Drowned' which is not very > satisfactory. > > The paddle steamer ORIOLE ran between London Bridge, Ramsgate and Great > Yarmouth, calling in at Harwich. (She later ran to Margate). > > I have checked with the MUN archives in Newfoundland which holds most of > the > 'Bristish Registrar of Ships and Seamen' records, and they have the > original crew list for the ORIOLE for 1891, but not the log books. It > is > very unlikely that a coastal ferry would have kept passenger lists at > that > time and so I will gain nothing from those records. > > I would assume that he and his family took the ORIOLE from London to > Ramsgate as part of their holiday in Ramsgate. On this occassion, it > would > be interesting to know whether he joined the ship at Ramsgate on her > return > journey from Gt. Yarmouth to London, or on an outward journey from > Ramsgate > to Gt. Yarmouth. If the latter, this might indicate that he had > intended > to jump overboard and that the direction of the ship was irrelevent. If > the > ship was bound for London, his going overboard may have been accidental. > > I wonder therefore if anyone might know where I might find a copy of the > ORIOLE's schedule for July 1891. > She was built for and at that time owned by the General Steam Navigation > Co. > Ltd. > > Thank you, > Chris > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 > 18:34:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 >

Will do, thank you very much, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Leary" <joan.leary@ntlworld.com> To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > Hi Chris, > If the Oriele was the passenger paddle steamer then she was owned by the > General Steam Navigation Company, the manuscripts for this company are > held > at the National Maritime Museum, if you google in General Steam Navigation > Company there is quite of lot of info that may be helpful to you. > Regards Joan. > > -----Original Message----- > From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Woods > Sent: 19 October 2010 07:53 > To: ISLE-OF-THANET@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > > Hallo, > > My first visit to your forum - I am not certain whether Ramsgate comes > within your remit and apologies if it does not. > > I recently found a Will of one of my maternal gt. grandfathers who > 'drowned > at sea' in 1891 > I then bought his death certificate that shows his body was found 'on the > High Seas off Ramsgate' and that an inquiry had been held. > > I contacted kent-eng@rootsweb.com and was advised to contacted Ramsgate > Library and I was kindly sent a copy of the report of this inquiry in the > Kent Coast Times of 30th. July 1891. > > Cutting this to the minimum, it appears that this Londoner used to visit > a > lodging house in Ramsgate ... presumably for the family summer holiday. > On > this occassion he was last seen by his wife when he left their home in > Newington . 9th.July. It would appear that he visited the lodging house > keeper who last saw him on the evening of the 10th., giving him his watch > etc. to hold ..... > James sent his wife a post card at about 7.20 that evening, which she > received about 10 that evening (!), saying that he had left his watch etc > with the lodging house keeper. > > 11th. July he boarded the paddle steamer ORIEOLE (official number 95435) > at Ramsgate, and shortly after was lost overboard. > His body was found 8 miles off North Foreland on 23rd. July and an inquiry > was held on the 25th. > > Although there were strong hints that he may have committed suicide, the > jury returned a verdict of 'Found Drowned' which is not very > satisfactory. > > The paddle steamer ORIOLE ran between London Bridge, Ramsgate and Great > Yarmouth, calling in at Harwich. (She later ran to Margate). > > I have checked with the MUN archives in Newfoundland which holds most of > the > > 'Bristish Registrar of Ships and Seamen' records, and they have the > original crew list for the ORIOLE for 1891, but not the log books. It is > very unlikely that a coastal ferry would have kept passenger lists at that > time and so I will gain nothing from those records. > > I would assume that he and his family took the ORIOLE from London to > Ramsgate as part of their holiday in Ramsgate. On this occassion, it > would > > be interesting to know whether he joined the ship at Ramsgate on her > return > journey from Gt. Yarmouth to London, or on an outward journey from > Ramsgate > > to Gt. Yarmouth. If the latter, this might indicate that he had intended > to jump overboard and that the direction of the ship was irrelevent. If > the > > ship was bound for London, his going overboard may have been accidental. > > I wonder therefore if anyone might know where I might find a copy of the > ORIOLE's schedule for July 1891. > She was built for and at that time owned by the General Steam Navigation > Co. > > Ltd. > > Thank you, > Chris > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 >

Hi Chris, If the Oriele was the passenger paddle steamer then she was owned by the General Steam Navigation Company, the manuscripts for this company are held at the National Maritime Museum, if you google in General Steam Navigation Company there is quite of lot of info that may be helpful to you. Regards Joan. -----Original Message----- From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Woods Sent: 19 October 2010 07:53 To: ISLE-OF-THANET@rootsweb.com Subject: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 Hallo, My first visit to your forum - I am not certain whether Ramsgate comes within your remit and apologies if it does not. I recently found a Will of one of my maternal gt. grandfathers who 'drowned at sea' in 1891 I then bought his death certificate that shows his body was found 'on the High Seas off Ramsgate' and that an inquiry had been held. I contacted kent-eng@rootsweb.com and was advised to contacted Ramsgate Library and I was kindly sent a copy of the report of this inquiry in the Kent Coast Times of 30th. July 1891. Cutting this to the minimum, it appears that this Londoner used to visit a lodging house in Ramsgate ... presumably for the family summer holiday. On this occassion he was last seen by his wife when he left their home in Newington . 9th.July. It would appear that he visited the lodging house keeper who last saw him on the evening of the 10th., giving him his watch etc. to hold ..... James sent his wife a post card at about 7.20 that evening, which she received about 10 that evening (!), saying that he had left his watch etc with the lodging house keeper. 11th. July he boarded the paddle steamer ORIEOLE (official number 95435) at Ramsgate, and shortly after was lost overboard. His body was found 8 miles off North Foreland on 23rd. July and an inquiry was held on the 25th. Although there were strong hints that he may have committed suicide, the jury returned a verdict of 'Found Drowned' which is not very satisfactory. The paddle steamer ORIOLE ran between London Bridge, Ramsgate and Great Yarmouth, calling in at Harwich. (She later ran to Margate). I have checked with the MUN archives in Newfoundland which holds most of the 'Bristish Registrar of Ships and Seamen' records, and they have the original crew list for the ORIOLE for 1891, but not the log books. It is very unlikely that a coastal ferry would have kept passenger lists at that time and so I will gain nothing from those records. I would assume that he and his family took the ORIOLE from London to Ramsgate as part of their holiday in Ramsgate. On this occassion, it would be interesting to know whether he joined the ship at Ramsgate on her return journey from Gt. Yarmouth to London, or on an outward journey from Ramsgate to Gt. Yarmouth. If the latter, this might indicate that he had intended to jump overboard and that the direction of the ship was irrelevent. If the ship was bound for London, his going overboard may have been accidental. I wonder therefore if anyone might know where I might find a copy of the ORIOLE's schedule for July 1891. She was built for and at that time owned by the General Steam Navigation Co. Ltd. Thank you, Chris ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

CHRISTOPHER !!!! Shock !! Horror !!! You aren't sure if Ramsgate comes under the remit the Thanet List ???????????? Ramsgate is THE premier town of Thanet !!!!! :o) I'm glad you managed to get some good info from the library. Makes he hair pulling all worthwhile, doesn't it ? :o) Pat.xxx :o)) born, bred & living in said premier town !!! A Maid of Kent Hallo, My first visit to your forum - I am not certain whether Ramsgate comes within your remit and apologies if it does not. I recently found a Will of one of my maternal gt. grandfathers who 'drowned at sea' in 1891 I then bought his death certificate that shows his body was found 'on the High Seas off Ramsgate' and that an inquiry had been held. I contacted kent-eng@rootsweb.com and was advised to contacted Ramsgate Library and I was kindly sent a copy of the report of this inquiry in the Kent Coast Times of 30th. July 1891. Cutting this to the minimum, it appears that this Londoner used to visit a lodging house in Ramsgate ... presumably for the family summer holiday. On this occassion he was last seen by his wife when he left their home in Newington . 9th.July. It would appear that he visited the lodging house keeper who last saw him on the evening of the 10th., giving him his watch etc. to hold ..... James sent his wife a post card at about 7.20 that evening, which she received about 10 that evening (!), saying that he had left his watch etc with the lodging house keeper. 11th. July he boarded the paddle steamer ORIEOLE (official number 95435) at Ramsgate, and shortly after was lost overboard. His body was found 8 miles off North Foreland on 23rd. July and an inquiry was held on the 25th. Although there were strong hints that he may have committed suicide, the jury returned a verdict of 'Found Drowned' which is not very satisfactory. The paddle steamer ORIOLE ran between London Bridge, Ramsgate and Great Yarmouth, calling in at Harwich. (She later ran to Margate). I have checked with the MUN archives in Newfoundland which holds most of the 'Bristish Registrar of Ships and Seamen' records, and they have the original crew list for the ORIOLE for 1891, but not the log books. It is very unlikely that a coastal ferry would have kept passenger lists at that time and so I will gain nothing from those records. I would assume that he and his family took the ORIOLE from London to Ramsgate as part of their holiday in Ramsgate. On this occassion, it would be interesting to know whether he joined the ship at Ramsgate on her return journey from Gt. Yarmouth to London, or on an outward journey from Ramsgate to Gt. Yarmouth. If the latter, this might indicate that he had intended to jump overboard and that the direction of the ship was irrelevent. If the ship was bound for London, his going overboard may have been accidental. I wonder therefore if anyone might know where I might find a copy of the ORIOLE's schedule for July 1891. She was built for and at that time owned by the General Steam Navigation Co. Ltd. Thank you, Chris ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 18:34:00

Chris, I am so glad that contact with the Ramsgate Library proved fruitful. Thanks for letting us hear the result of your enquiries, Anne On 19 Oct 2010, at 07:52, Chris Woods wrote: > Hallo, > > My first visit to your forum - I am not certain whether Ramsgate comes > within your remit and apologies if it does not. > > I recently found a Will of one of my maternal gt. grandfathers who > 'drowned > at sea' in 1891 > I then bought his death certificate that shows his body was found > 'on the > High Seas off Ramsgate' and that an inquiry had been held. > > I contacted kent-eng@rootsweb.com and was advised to contacted > Ramsgate > Library and I was kindly sent a copy of the report of this inquiry > in the > Kent Coast Times of 30th. July 1891. > > Cutting this to the minimum, it appears that this Londoner used to > visit a > lodging house in Ramsgate ... presumably for the family summer > holiday. On > this occassion he was last seen by his wife when he left their home in > Newington . 9th.July. It would appear that he visited the lodging > house > keeper who last saw him on the evening of the 10th., giving him his > watch > etc. to hold ..... > James sent his wife a post card at about 7.20 that evening, which she > received about 10 that evening (!), saying that he had left his > watch etc > with the lodging house keeper. > > 11th. July he boarded the paddle steamer ORIEOLE (official number > 95435) > at Ramsgate, and shortly after was lost overboard. > His body was found 8 miles off North Foreland on 23rd. July and an > inquiry > was held on the 25th.

Hallo, My first visit to your forum - I am not certain whether Ramsgate comes within your remit and apologies if it does not. I recently found a Will of one of my maternal gt. grandfathers who 'drowned at sea' in 1891 I then bought his death certificate that shows his body was found 'on the High Seas off Ramsgate' and that an inquiry had been held. I contacted kent-eng@rootsweb.com and was advised to contacted Ramsgate Library and I was kindly sent a copy of the report of this inquiry in the Kent Coast Times of 30th. July 1891. Cutting this to the minimum, it appears that this Londoner used to visit a lodging house in Ramsgate ... presumably for the family summer holiday. On this occassion he was last seen by his wife when he left their home in Newington . 9th.July. It would appear that he visited the lodging house keeper who last saw him on the evening of the 10th., giving him his watch etc. to hold ..... James sent his wife a post card at about 7.20 that evening, which she received about 10 that evening (!), saying that he had left his watch etc with the lodging house keeper. 11th. July he boarded the paddle steamer ORIEOLE (official number 95435) at Ramsgate, and shortly after was lost overboard. His body was found 8 miles off North Foreland on 23rd. July and an inquiry was held on the 25th. Although there were strong hints that he may have committed suicide, the jury returned a verdict of 'Found Drowned' which is not very satisfactory. The paddle steamer ORIOLE ran between London Bridge, Ramsgate and Great Yarmouth, calling in at Harwich. (She later ran to Margate). I have checked with the MUN archives in Newfoundland which holds most of the 'Bristish Registrar of Ships and Seamen' records, and they have the original crew list for the ORIOLE for 1891, but not the log books. It is very unlikely that a coastal ferry would have kept passenger lists at that time and so I will gain nothing from those records. I would assume that he and his family took the ORIOLE from London to Ramsgate as part of their holiday in Ramsgate. On this occassion, it would be interesting to know whether he joined the ship at Ramsgate on her return journey from Gt. Yarmouth to London, or on an outward journey from Ramsgate to Gt. Yarmouth. If the latter, this might indicate that he had intended to jump overboard and that the direction of the ship was irrelevent. If the ship was bound for London, his going overboard may have been accidental. I wonder therefore if anyone might know where I might find a copy of the ORIOLE's schedule for July 1891. She was built for and at that time owned by the General Steam Navigation Co. Ltd. Thank you, Chris

SUDDEN DEATH - Isle of Thanet Gazette 2nd April 1948 Miss Florence Martha LOWDEN of Hedgerow, Manston was found dead in bed by her companion early on Good Friday morning. She was 77 years of age. Her companion, Miss Nellie Gertrude GLOVER heard Miss LOWDEN moving about at 5am, but two hours later found her dead. Margate Local & Family History

Funeral of Mr E G HARLOW The funeral of Mr Eric George HARLOW, of The Dairy, Monkton Road, Minster, who, as reported last week, collapsed and died while travelling to Ramsgate by bus, took place at Minster Cemetery on Thursday last week. The service was conducted by the Vicar (the Rev W Parkes Gascoigne) and mourners were Messrs E R and K HARLOW (sons) Mr G HARLOW (father), Mr A HARLOW (brother) Mrs H GIBB, (sister), Mr R GOODBOURN, Mrs L REDWOOD, Mr E HOLLANDS (cousins) Mrs CALDICOTT and Miss B TALBOT. Margate Local & Family History

Glad to be of help. I love the way these Thanet families 'intermingle'!! Margate Local & Family History --- On Thu, 14/10/10, David Railton <railton.david@btinternet.com> wrote: > From: David Railton <railton.david@btinternet.com> > Subject: RE: [Isle-of-Thanet] Funeral of George STUPPLES, St Peter's, 1948 > To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com, suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com > Date: Thursday, 14 October, 2010, 17:20 > Thanks, Suzannah for that newspaper > clipping. George Stupples is in my > family tree and this adds extra information about him. > > George married Rosetta Sayer at St John's Margate in 1888. > The 3 children > mentioned were Alice Elizabeth born 1890, Anne born 1893 > and Edward born > 1897. I know that Alice was born at Dent de Lion Farm, > Garlinge. > > Rosetta was a sister of my great grandmother, Emily Pamela > Sayer, and > daughter of James Sayer and Emma Ann Solley. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Suzannah Foad > Sent: 14 October 2010 17:07 > To: isle-of-thanet-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Isle-of-Thanet] Funeral of George STUPPLES, St > Peter's, 1948 > > OLD RESIDENTS DEATH - Family's 200 years at St Peter's > Isle of Thanet Gazette 23rd Jan 1948 > > A well known resident of St Peter's for nearly half a > century, Mr George > STUPPLES, of 6 Nuckell's Almhouses, died on Friday at the > age of 87. > Since his retirement a few years ago, Mr STUPPLES was often > to be seen > walking slowly down the village streets and he always had a > kind word and > helping hand for everyone. > > He was born at Garlinge and left school at the age of nine > to start to work > as a crowboy, scaring birds from crops. During the years he > worked for local > farmers he learnt every branch of agriculture and dairy > farming and became > an expert thatcher. > > After leaving Garlinge he lived in Margate for nine years > before moving to > St Peter's where his family have resided for over 200 > years. He lived at > Calva Cottages, Vicargae Street, until going to the > Almshouses. > > Mr STUPPLES leaves a widow, one son and two daughters. The > funeral took > place at St Pete's Churchyard on Tuesday when the Curate > (the Rev W E > Edwards) officiated. > > Margate Local & Family History > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks, Suzannah for that newspaper clipping. George Stupples is in my family tree and this adds extra information about him. George married Rosetta Sayer at St John's Margate in 1888. The 3 children mentioned were Alice Elizabeth born 1890, Anne born 1893 and Edward born 1897. I know that Alice was born at Dent de Lion Farm, Garlinge. Rosetta was a sister of my great grandmother, Emily Pamela Sayer, and daughter of James Sayer and Emma Ann Solley. David -----Original Message----- From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Suzannah Foad Sent: 14 October 2010 17:07 To: isle-of-thanet-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [Isle-of-Thanet] Funeral of George STUPPLES, St Peter's, 1948 OLD RESIDENTS DEATH - Family's 200 years at St Peter's Isle of Thanet Gazette 23rd Jan 1948 A well known resident of St Peter's for nearly half a century, Mr George STUPPLES, of 6 Nuckell's Almhouses, died on Friday at the age of 87. Since his retirement a few years ago, Mr STUPPLES was often to be seen walking slowly down the village streets and he always had a kind word and helping hand for everyone. He was born at Garlinge and left school at the age of nine to start to work as a crowboy, scaring birds from crops. During the years he worked for local farmers he learnt every branch of agriculture and dairy farming and became an expert thatcher. After leaving Garlinge he lived in Margate for nine years before moving to St Peter's where his family have resided for over 200 years. He lived at Calva Cottages, Vicargae Street, until going to the Almshouses. Mr STUPPLES leaves a widow, one son and two daughters. The funeral took place at St Pete's Churchyard on Tuesday when the Curate (the Rev W E Edwards) officiated. Margate Local & Family History ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OLD RESIDENTS DEATH - Family's 200 years at St Peter's Isle of Thanet Gazette 23rd Jan 1948 A well known resident of St Peter's for nearly half a century, Mr George STUPPLES, of 6 Nuckell's Almhouses, died on Friday at the age of 87. Since his retirement a few years ago, Mr STUPPLES was often to be seen walking slowly down the village streets and he always had a kind word and helping hand for everyone. He was born at Garlinge and left school at the age of nine to start to work as a crowboy, scaring birds from crops. During the years he worked for local farmers he learnt every branch of agriculture and dairy farming and became an expert thatcher. After leaving Garlinge he lived in Margate for nine years before moving to St Peter's where his family have resided for over 200 years. He lived at Calva Cottages, Vicargae Street, until going to the Almshouses. Mr STUPPLES leaves a widow, one son and two daughters. The funeral took place at St Pete's Churchyard on Tuesday when the Curate (the Rev W E Edwards) officiated. Margate Local & Family History

Funeral of Mrs E YOUNG Isle of Thanet Gazette 23rd Jan 1948 The funeral of Mrs Elsie Brooks YOUNG, daughter of the late Mr and Mrs C T CHAPMAN of 26 Southwood Road, Ramsgate who died the previous Sunday, took place at Ramsgate on Thursday last week and was preceded by a service at Christ Church Broadstairs. Mrs YOUNG was 41 years old and was married at Christ Church last year. The Minster (the Rev R H Belton) conducted both services and mourners present were Mr R YOUNG, (widower), Messrs C G and N E CHAPMAN (brothers), Miss W CHAPMAN, (sister), Mr and Mrs G POWELL (brother in law and sister) and Mr K PAGE (brother in law). Margate Local & Family History

Many thanks for this interesting insight. The Wantsum Channel makes sense of Roman Richborough. As for 'The Isle of the Dead' I can see that Thanet would be in the direct line of any invader or pestilence as well as subject to the perils of the sea. . Dick Fowler

Died in South Africa - Isle of Thanet Gazette 31st December 1948 A Native of Margate, Mr Thomas JONES, son of Mr and Mrs L F JONES, of 4 Market Street, died at Cape Town, South Africa, on 19th December. He was 41 years of age. After leaving Holy Trinity School, Margate, Mr JONES was apprenticed to a local printing firm and remained there until leaving for South Africa in 1939. He was one of the founders of the Margate Motor Cycle Club which later became the Thanet Motoring Club. During the war her served in the South African Home Guard. He leaves a widow and one daughter. Margate Local & Family History

Hi Richard   I know of one in the 15th Century. In the History of St Augustine's Abbey, Canterbury, written about AD 1414 by Thomas of Elham, who is described as 'formerly monk and treasurer of that foundation', appears one of the earliest attempts at map making performed by an Englishman, and its of the Isle of Thanet!   The original drawing is in a manuscript belonging to Trinity College Cambridge and it's reproduced by Lewis in his 'History of Thanet' 1723 and by J Harris in his 'History of Kent' 1719, who followed the copy made by Lewis. Both these copies are good but  contain inaccuracies. I can send you this but have also attached another two maps for you showing the Wantsum Channel in Roman times and what it is today.   I feel this map was not made with the intention to show the island but how the 'Stag's course' divided the estates of St Augustine from those of Canterbury Cathedral, as very few place names, apart from those on the 'course' are given.   The map is actually in colour, with the thirteen churches being named in brown ink. The writer explaining his map states that the lines in red show the King's Highways in the island leading from one parish to another. Only one road is named, that of Dunstreete running from Sarre to St Laurence Church Ramsgate, but all of them exist even to this day. Margate Local & Family History   From: "Richard Fowler" < DisplayMail('onetel.com','dfowler1'); dfowler1@onetel.com> Subject: [Isle-of-Thanet] Gough Map C14th Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:58:40 +0100 I was intrigued by an item on a recent TV programme showing the C14th Gough map of Kent. The American presenter explained that the map showed Thanet as a genuine island with a navigable channel south to the channel. Does anyone know more? What would this have ben loke in Roman or Norman times? Richard Fowler KFHS 9342  

Indeed it was a 'proper' island in Roman and Norman times. See http://tinyurl.com/595rwq It tells you the Wantsum Channel which separated the island from the rest of Kent was originally 2 miles wide but silted up over the last 1000 years - but was still low enough to be filled by floods in 1953. There is a link from the page to an examination of the name 'Thanet' - which could mean Beacon Isle - or Isle of Death! HTH Anne On 12 Oct 2010, at 07:58, Richard Fowler wrote: > I was intrigued by an item on a recent TV programme showing the > C14th Gough > map of Kent. The American presenter explained that the map showed > Thanet as > a genuine island with a navigable channel south to the channel. > > Does anyone know more? What would this have ben loke in Roman or > Norman > times? > > Richard Fowler KFHS 9342 > >