>From The Sydney Morning Herald ( NSW: 1842 - 1954 ) Australia. Saturday 8 June 1918 ; Page 12 of 24. SILVER WEDDING. CRAYCRAFT - SMALL. - June 9, 1893, at 76, Phillip Street, Balmain, by the Rev. J. COSH , D.D., William, eldest son of the late William CRAYCRAFT , of Margate, Kent, to Jessie, second daughter of the late Peter SMALL , of Dundee, Scotland. Present address:- Thanet, Turner Street, Balmain.

I went to the library Saturday and as you suggest a Mrs Tredaway is listed at 6 Dumpton Park Drive until 1916 when a Miss Filmer appears The directories stopped for the First World War, restarted 1920 when a John Gaunsby was living at the property. He was still there in 1923.     Margate Local & Family History --- On Sat, 23/10/10, Joe Bissett <jbissett@hot-peppers.com> wrote: From: Joe Bissett <jbissett@hot-peppers.com> Subject: [Isle-of-Thanet] Ramsgate Question To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, 23 October, 2010, 3:09 Hi list, Our Piggott family has a mystery in Ramsgate in 1916.  It concerns the residence known as Canegrove, Dumpton Park Drive.  My retired sholdier grandfather Frederick Edward Piggott went to Australia in spring, 1914.  He began serving as #6, Staff Sergeant Major of the ANZAC 5th Battalion on 1 September 1914, and was mortally wounded on day one, 25 April 1915 of the Gallipoli invasion, passing away on the morning of the 26th on board a hospital ship.  Being without a wife, Frederick had left his three young children in care of his siblings living in Broadstairs / Ramsgate. A letter from the Australian Imperial Forces to the oldest child Ethel Martha in March 1916 showed her address as the Cangrove above.  Apparently this address did not exist in Ramsgate in 1901, and in 1911 Canegrove, #6 Dumpton Park Drive was occupied by a widow, Harriet Treadaway, who also had a boarder Frank Metcalf, age 19.  Harriet passed away in the September quarter 1915.  Neither person has any affiliation with my Piggott family. The 1911 census shows a series of homes numbering up to 17, with the name "Cangrove" shown as #6.  This seems to indicate that in March 1916 the children were in fact living in the residence previously occupied by widow Treadaway. I did a Google search and found that houses are still being sold on Dumpton Park Drive, with an average price of L229,592 over the last 3 years.  I also note that there are apparently a row of houses, as one item concerns #72 Dumpton Park Drive.  Here is a present day example: Ramsgate - Dumpton Park Drive, Ramsgate 3 bedroom detached house, driveway parking and garage, gas central heating and double glazing. Ramsgate Station 0.83 miles Dumpton Park Station 1.09 miles Broadstairs Station 2.16 miles (note: station distances are straight line, not drive time calculations) I would be interested in knowing of any sources from the 1916 time frame that might show the names of families residing in homes on Dumpton Park Drive. Thanks in advance, Joe ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Dave What census can you find her in? Do you have Albert Edward in any census? Best wishes Elizabeth On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Dave Chapman <dave@dchapman.co.uk> wrote: > > > Her name was Clara Chapman, she was born in Croydon in 1856. She had one > son > Albert Edward who was registered under the name SHORT but I cannot find any > marriage for her. She may be under the name "Stanley" or "Short" > > I know she died in Margate at number 10 Duke street in 1940. > > > I cannot find hear in the 1911 cencus..? > Regards > > Dave Chapman > > > > _____ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1144 / Virus Database: 422/3215 - Release Date: 10/23/10 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Suzannah, On 10/24/2010 5:12 AM, Suzannah Foad wrote: > I went to the library Saturday and as you suggest a Mrs Tredaway is listed at 6 Dumpton Park Drive until 1916 when a Miss Filmer appears > The directories stopped for the First World War, restarted 1920 when a John Gaunsby was living at the property. He was still there in 1923. Thank you so much for checking. Once again you are "Johnny on the spot". :-) :-) This is REALLY strange. I can't imagine what a 12 year old orphaned girl would be doing having an OFFICIAL residence at a home where not a single surname of the occupants has thus far ANY affiliation with my family. That also raises the question as to where was my younger mother, and her even younger brother? I was unaware that the library holds these directories. Do they have an on line presence? Will they do lookups? For a fee? Do you happen to know the year span of the directories? Do they cover the entirety of Thanet? As you know, I have many Piggott and Strevens ancestors that resided in Thanet in the early Twentieth Century. Warm regards, Joe

>From The Ipswich Journal ( Ipswich, England ), Saturday, August 22, 1891; Issue 9302. SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. The steamer Speedwell, belonging to Messrs. R. and W. PAUL, of Ipswich, broke down when outside Harwich Harbour on Sunday, on a voyage to London. She was brought back to Ipswich for repairs. Mr. E. J. ROBERTSON, of Ipswich, received a telegram from Amsterdam on Sunday evening, announcing the death by drowning of Capt. MANN. The deceased captain, who left Ipswich with a pleasure party, in the yacht Dewdrop, on Bank Holiday, fell overboard when the vessel gave a lurch at sea soon after leaving Ostend. Distress signals were hoisted, and a Ramsgate smack bore down to the Dewdrop and left her mate in charge of the vessel, by whom she was navigated into safe waters.

>From Lloyd's Weekly Newspaper ( London, England ), Sunday, August 23, 1891; Issue 2544. SEASIDE DANGERS. An inquest was held on Tuesday, at Dumpton, Kent, as to the death of a visitor named George PILLER, 19 years old, who fell from the cliffs on Monday. It was stated that he was walking to the North Foreland Lighthouse, and stepped from the path to the edge of the cliff to look back at Ramsgate pier. His cousin called to him to be careful, but he fell sideways, dislocating his spine. A verdict of "Accidental death" was returned. The deceased, it was stated, lived at Walworth, and was employed at a restaurant in Cornhill.

>From The Ipswich Journal ( Ipswich, England ), Saturday, August 22, 1891; Issue 9302. An inquest was held at Dumpton, Ramsgate, on Tuesday, on the body of George PILLER, who died from a fall on Monday afternoon over the cliffs at Dumpton Gap. The deceased was a married man, nineteen years of age, engaged in a city restaurant. He was at Ramsgate with some friends for a short holiday, and was walking to the North Foreland, when he slipped and fell over the cliffs. The Coroner remarked that strangers should be careful in passing along unprotected cliffs. NOT connected to our research, but the reference for his death, found on FreeBMD, is Registration District THANET 2a 476 Sept. Qtr 1891. .

>From Glasgow Herald ( Glasgow, Scotland ), Saturday, August 6, 1892; Issue 188. TWO MEN DROWNED OFF RAMSGATE. The smack TELEPHONE, of Ramsgate, was run down by a steamer early yesterday morning. Two of the crew, named WILSON and BOSTON , were drowned.

>From Glasgow Herald ( Glasgow, Scotland ), Friday, July 17, 1874; Issue 10781. SIX PERSONS DROWNED OFF MARGATE. Six persons, out of a boating party of nine, were drowned off Margate yesterday, by the sinking of their boat, as they were returning home. The following are their names :- Mr & Mrs JEFFERAY , Miss MOORE , Mr FLINTAN ( visitors ) and John HEDGES and Arthur ELLIOTT , coastguardsmen.

>From The Standard ( London, England ), Tuesday, August 24, 1875; pg.7; Issue 15936. DEATH. BEAVER. - 8th, drowned off Margate, accidentally, Thomas George, aged 23, only son of Thomas BEAVER , of Brixton , formerly of Jermyn-street, S.W. His remains were interred in Margate Cemetery on the 17th.

>From The Leeds Mercury ( Leeds, England ), Saturday, May 1, 1858; Issue 6788. THREE MEN DROWNED OFF RAMSGATE. - Very late on Saturday night, a party of twelve, who had spent the evening at the REFECTORY TAVERN, left the shore in two boats, for a moonlight sail. After a time, through defective management of the sail, one boat was upset, and three men, named STOCK , EAST , and SINGER , were drowned. The other party were too far off to know of the disaster.

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 19:09, Joe Bissett <jbissett@hot-peppers.com> wrote: > A letter from the Australian Imperial Forces to the oldest child Ethel > Martha in March 1916 showed her address as the Cangrove above. > Apparently this address did not exist in Ramsgate in 1901, and in 1911 > Canegrove, #6 Dumpton Park Drive was occupied by a widow > Hi Joe, Google maps Street View shows a #6 Dumpton Park ROAD in Ramsgate but Dumpton Park DRIVE seems to be in Margate. #11 seems to have the name 'Canegrove' over the front door. Sorry I can't help further. John

Hi list, Our Piggott family has a mystery in Ramsgate in 1916. It concerns the residence known as Canegrove, Dumpton Park Drive. My retired sholdier grandfather Frederick Edward Piggott went to Australia in spring, 1914. He began serving as #6, Staff Sergeant Major of the ANZAC 5th Battalion on 1 September 1914, and was mortally wounded on day one, 25 April 1915 of the Gallipoli invasion, passing away on the morning of the 26th on board a hospital ship. Being without a wife, Frederick had left his three young children in care of his siblings living in Broadstairs / Ramsgate. A letter from the Australian Imperial Forces to the oldest child Ethel Martha in March 1916 showed her address as the Cangrove above. Apparently this address did not exist in Ramsgate in 1901, and in 1911 Canegrove, #6 Dumpton Park Drive was occupied by a widow, Harriet Treadaway, who also had a boarder Frank Metcalf, age 19. Harriet passed away in the September quarter 1915. Neither person has any affiliation with my Piggott family. The 1911 census shows a series of homes numbering up to 17, with the name "Cangrove" shown as #6. This seems to indicate that in March 1916 the children were in fact living in the residence previously occupied by widow Treadaway. I did a Google search and found that houses are still being sold on Dumpton Park Drive, with an average price of L229,592 over the last 3 years. I also note that there are apparently a row of houses, as one item concerns #72 Dumpton Park Drive. Here is a present day example: Ramsgate - Dumpton Park Drive, Ramsgate 3 bedroom detached house, driveway parking and garage, gas central heating and double glazing. Ramsgate Station 0.83 miles Dumpton Park Station 1.09 miles Broadstairs Station 2.16 miles (note: station distances are straight line, not drive time calculations) I would be interested in knowing of any sources from the 1916 time frame that might show the names of families residing in homes on Dumpton Park Drive. Thanks in advance, Joe

It has been interesting to read the thread on Pegwell because it wasn't until recently that I found an old photo of my grandpa convalescing at Pegwell in 1957, following major stomach surgery. Unfortunately I don't know what his connection was which enabled him to recuperate there. He lived in Swanley at the time. It did bring back memories of a man I loved very much. Thank you, Lesley Queensland, Australia

So I gather :-{)} Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Veronica I Barr" <mordensurrey@gmail.com> To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > Oh she is, but she is VERY wise :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Woods > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:02 PM > To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > > no disrespect, but you must be Very old :-{)} > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PJK :o))" <patinkent@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > > >> Lol !! Just pretend I'm your Mum !! :o) >> >> Pat.xxx :o)) >> A Maid of Kent >> >> >> ;-{)} >> >> I know when I'm in trouble because that's when I'm called by my full >> name, >> but capitas too --- ouch. >> Chris >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "PJK :o))" <patinkent@yahoo.co.uk> >> To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 >> >> >> > CHRISTOPHER !!!! Shock !! Horror !!! You aren't sure if Ramsgate comes >> > under the remit the Thanet List ???????????? Ramsgate is THE premier >> town >> > of Thanet !!!!! :o) >> > >> > I'm glad you managed to get some good info from the library. Makes he >> hair >> > pulling all worthwhile, doesn't it ? :o) >> > >> > Pat.xxx :o)) born, bred & living in said premier town !!! >> > A Maid of Kent >> > >> > >> > Hallo, >> > >> > My first visit to your forum - I am not certain whether Ramsgate >> comes >> > within your remit and apologies if it does not. >> > >> > I recently found a Will of one of my maternal gt. grandfathers who >> > 'drowned >> > at sea' in 1891 >> > I then bought his death certificate that shows his body was found 'on >> the >> > High Seas off Ramsgate' and that an inquiry had been held. >> > >> > I contacted kent-eng@rootsweb.com and was advised to contacted >> Ramsgate >> > Library and I was kindly sent a copy of the report of this inquiry in >> the >> > Kent Coast Times of 30th. July 1891. >> > >> > Cutting this to the minimum, it appears that this Londoner used to >> visit >> > a >> > lodging house in Ramsgate ... presumably for the family summer >> holiday. >> > On >> > this occassion he was last seen by his wife when he left their home >> in >> > Newington . 9th.July. It would appear that he visited the lodging >> house >> > keeper who last saw him on the evening of the 10th., giving him his >> watch >> > etc. to hold ..... >> > James sent his wife a post card at about 7.20 that evening, which >> she >> > received about 10 that evening (!), saying that he had left his >> watch >> > etc >> > with the lodging house keeper. >> > >> > 11th. July he boarded the paddle steamer ORIEOLE (official number >> 95435) >> > at Ramsgate, and shortly after was lost overboard. >> > His body was found 8 miles off North Foreland on 23rd. July and an >> > inquiry >> > was held on the 25th. >> > >> > Although there were strong hints that he may have committed suicide, >> > the >> > jury returned a verdict of 'Found Drowned' which is not very >> > satisfactory. >> > >> > The paddle steamer ORIOLE ran between London Bridge, Ramsgate and >> Great >> > Yarmouth, calling in at Harwich. (She later ran to Margate). >> > >> > I have checked with the MUN archives in Newfoundland which holds most >> of >> > the >> > 'Bristish Registrar of Ships and Seamen' records, and they have the >> > original crew list for the ORIOLE for 1891, but not the log books. >> It >> > is >> > very unlikely that a coastal ferry would have kept passenger lists at >> > that >> > time and so I will gain nothing from those records. >> > >> > I would assume that he and his family took the ORIOLE from London to >> > Ramsgate as part of their holiday in Ramsgate. On this occassion, >> it >> > would >> > be interesting to know whether he joined the ship at Ramsgate on her >> > return >> > journey from Gt. Yarmouth to London, or on an outward journey from >> > Ramsgate >> > to Gt. Yarmouth. If the latter, this might indicate that he had >> > intended >> > to jump overboard and that the direction of the ship was irrelevent. >> If >> > the >> > ship was bound for London, his going overboard may have been >> accidental. >> > >> > I wonder therefore if anyone might know where I might find a copy of >> the >> > ORIOLE's schedule for July 1891. >> > She was built for and at that time owned by the General Steam >> Navigation >> > Co. >> > Ltd. >> > >> > Thank you, >> > Chris >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >> > >> > >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3205 - Release Date: >> 10/18/10 >> > 18:34:00 >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ----- >> > No virus found in this message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 >> 18:34:00 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3207 - Release Date: 10/19/10 >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3209 - Release Date: 10/20/10 >

perhaps this meant this bride's father was buried with his gold watch ... unless there was a stepfather involved? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Lewington" <margaretlewington@hotmail.com> To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > > With regard to deceased people not being shown as such on certificates - > my great grandfather died in 1887, but on my grandparent's wedding > certificate in 1901, the bride's father is shown as "of independent > means"! > > Margaret in Perth, Western Australia > >> From: MICHAELCOOMBER@aol.com >> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:57:14 -0400 >> To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 >> >> Hi Chris, >> Did you realise that your James Wood was married twice & had at least 10 >> children ? Maybe a tragedy to one of the children caused him to "flip" !!

Hi Young Lady! Thank you so much for this valuable information. Best regards, Veronica -----Original Message----- From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PJK :o)) Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:38 PM To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Pegwell Bay Convalescent Home/GEAREY Hi Veronica, Before the welfare state came into being, a lot of charity really did begin at home & the Club & Institute Union raised money for local causes. One of these was to open & maintain the convalescent home in Pegwell. The money raised by the club was used for members & their families, so to be eligible, you'd have been a member of the club & would have probably helped to raise funds. Money was also raised to help if a member became unemployed. The home is still in Pegwell, but it's now a hotel again, which it was before the CIU bought it. Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent How did people become eligible to go to this place? Were there hotels in Pegwell Bay? My late mother spoke of staying at Pegwell Bay. If I recall there was a family member who ran a guest house/hotel. Veronica ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3207 - Release Date: 10/19/10 18:34:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Veronica, Before the welfare state came into being, a lot of charity really did begin at home & the Club & Institute Union raised money for local causes. One of these was to open & maintain the convalescent home in Pegwell. The money raised by the club was used for members & their families, so to be eligible, you'd have been a member of the club & would have probably helped to raise funds. Money was also raised to help if a member became unemployed. The home is still in Pegwell, but it's now a hotel again, which it was before the CIU bought it. Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent How did people become eligible to go to this place? Were there hotels in Pegwell Bay? My late mother spoke of staying at Pegwell Bay. If I recall there was a family member who ran a guest house/hotel. Veronica ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3207 - Release Date: 10/19/10 18:34:00

On the John Passmore Edwards site for the convalescent home there are several photographs. One taken in August 1925 shows Walter Charles GEAREY. I've been told he's the one the top row - fourth in from the right. My Londoner grandmother was a GEAREY (before marrying a Ramsgate MORRIS). This Walter Charles, may well be her much older brother. Or, could be a cousin! How did people become eligible to go to this place? Is there any information on the staff? Were there hotels in Pegwell Bay? My late mother spoke of staying at Pegwell Bay. If I recall there was a family member who ran a guest house/hotel. Veronica

Oh she is, but she is VERY wise :) -----Original Message----- From: isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:isle-of-thanet-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Woods Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:02 PM To: isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 no disrespect, but you must be Very old :-{)} ----- Original Message ----- From: "PJK :o))" <patinkent@yahoo.co.uk> To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > Lol !! Just pretend I'm your Mum !! :o) > > Pat.xxx :o)) > A Maid of Kent > > > ;-{)} > > I know when I'm in trouble because that's when I'm called by my full > name, > but capitas too --- ouch. > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PJK :o))" <patinkent@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <isle-of-thanet@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Isle-of-Thanet] Death on the p.s. ORIELE 1891 > > > > CHRISTOPHER !!!! Shock !! Horror !!! You aren't sure if Ramsgate comes > > under the remit the Thanet List ???????????? Ramsgate is THE premier > town > > of Thanet !!!!! :o) > > > > I'm glad you managed to get some good info from the library. Makes he > hair > > pulling all worthwhile, doesn't it ? :o) > > > > Pat.xxx :o)) born, bred & living in said premier town !!! > > A Maid of Kent > > > > > > Hallo, > > > > My first visit to your forum - I am not certain whether Ramsgate comes > > within your remit and apologies if it does not. > > > > I recently found a Will of one of my maternal gt. grandfathers who > > 'drowned > > at sea' in 1891 > > I then bought his death certificate that shows his body was found 'on > the > > High Seas off Ramsgate' and that an inquiry had been held. > > > > I contacted kent-eng@rootsweb.com and was advised to contacted > Ramsgate > > Library and I was kindly sent a copy of the report of this inquiry in > the > > Kent Coast Times of 30th. July 1891. > > > > Cutting this to the minimum, it appears that this Londoner used to > visit > > a > > lodging house in Ramsgate ... presumably for the family summer > holiday. > > On > > this occassion he was last seen by his wife when he left their home in > > Newington . 9th.July. It would appear that he visited the lodging > house > > keeper who last saw him on the evening of the 10th., giving him his > watch > > etc. to hold ..... > > James sent his wife a post card at about 7.20 that evening, which she > > received about 10 that evening (!), saying that he had left his watch > > etc > > with the lodging house keeper. > > > > 11th. July he boarded the paddle steamer ORIEOLE (official number > 95435) > > at Ramsgate, and shortly after was lost overboard. > > His body was found 8 miles off North Foreland on 23rd. July and an > > inquiry > > was held on the 25th. > > > > Although there were strong hints that he may have committed suicide, > > the > > jury returned a verdict of 'Found Drowned' which is not very > > satisfactory. > > > > The paddle steamer ORIOLE ran between London Bridge, Ramsgate and > Great > > Yarmouth, calling in at Harwich. (She later ran to Margate). > > > > I have checked with the MUN archives in Newfoundland which holds most > of > > the > > 'Bristish Registrar of Ships and Seamen' records, and they have the > > original crew list for the ORIOLE for 1891, but not the log books. > It > > is > > very unlikely that a coastal ferry would have kept passenger lists at > > that > > time and so I will gain nothing from those records. > > > > I would assume that he and his family took the ORIOLE from London to > > Ramsgate as part of their holiday in Ramsgate. On this occassion, it > > would > > be interesting to know whether he joined the ship at Ramsgate on her > > return > > journey from Gt. Yarmouth to London, or on an outward journey from > > Ramsgate > > to Gt. Yarmouth. If the latter, this might indicate that he had > > intended > > to jump overboard and that the direction of the ship was irrelevent. > If > > the > > ship was bound for London, his going overboard may have been > accidental. > > > > I wonder therefore if anyone might know where I might find a copy of > the > > ORIOLE's schedule for July 1891. > > She was built for and at that time owned by the General Steam > Navigation > > Co. > > Ltd. > > > > Thank you, > > Chris > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3205 - Release Date: > 10/18/10 > > 18:34:00 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3205 - Release Date: 10/18/10 > 18:34:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3207 - Release Date: 10/19/10 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISLE-OF-THANET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message