Thanks Daz Ive emailed Florence Mine in Egremont Cumbria cos Dave Banks who is based there is the author of some of the posts re the 60 families who came to Cumbria from Avoca area 1860's. Strangely enough we visited the mine only last week and I left some info there but now i have this extra info maybe I will get lucky. I have contacted the "Cleator Moor" site over a year ago when the forum was working but no joy. Lets hope I get somewhere as I have a really good feeling that this could be the area of Wicklow my Niles were from (and its the only lead I have). Bye for now Carol