I am sorry but I do not believe in this harrassment or as it has been put bombardment of someone at an email address, glory be I know what its like to open my own email mailing box and be inundated with complaints, suggestions that I need these certain type of pills, or maybe a download of a programme, and find that someone is sharing there complaint with me, and I am happy to assist where I can with anything to do with family research ---so imagine these peoples thoughts if they open their mail boxes to all these mails complaining about the cost of research through the parish register. I would simply re-set my settings and have them disappear in the rubbish bin, a more organised way would be to have a body of well mannered people approach the necessary people and hand them everyones complaint verbally and in a nicely written letter, that way you have covered both bases and you are not simply finding your words dissapearing into cyber space and clogging the universe or blocking out my moon. Now whilst I do not believe the priest of any religion has the right to place upon it a search fee, beyond anyones purse strings, and I believe that along the way, the parish priest was paid to record these BDM, and hold them in a register for posterity, and they should be given freely, but along the way, someone has ruffled the feathers of these men, and the Arklow man is not the only one with his back up. There through out Ireland are many, indeed I am seeing once again the necessity to contact several relevant parties to get once again permission to even look at a couple of the reels at the National Library in Dublin.Something has caused this, and indeed I feel it may well be the over burdening of someones patience. And I do agree also, that most of you seeking a lookup from any of these parish registers, are not firstly seeking what is available in the public domain, be it all too far from you to research yourself, but as Paul has pointed out there are other options open to each and everyone of us to use.( even if Paul has taken leave from his researching for the time being) he has pointed you to some options for reseachers. I do not know what LDS has filmed and that should be an option for those of you to source out should you live outside Ireland, and order in the said film, you must remember what you see with your own eyes, and record is far more reliable that what someone else saw and recorded, plus the fact that the certificate you receive today is just a piece of paper written out by someone else who sited the person then had someone else sign it ( the parish priest rarely does the search) and neither do you, you are a lucky person that gets a parish man to sit with you and allow you to go through his registers. Also you need to take aboard the fact that not all books are housed with the parish priest a lot of burial books for Wicklow are floating in different houses, as those people are the caretakers of these books and graveyards.And those people themselves are busy people and should anyone desire to look at those said books also need to make an appointment to see them. One of the most important things you must take to mind is that most parish priests or clergymen of any faith are a working man, working 24/7 52 weeks of the year, so therefore, you need to make sure you have accessed all that is available within the public domain first, before you then contact the parish priest, but in Arklow's case there is an office, where he has people doing look ups, but then again can you be sure that they have sourced the people correctly that you need, I harp back to a perfect example of paid research within my own search, for one TOOLE child, and find that TWO were born in the same year, thats fine they gave me my man with the wrong parents, and when queried I received a shrug of the shoulders and told *that happens *, the annoying thing is I know they are wrong, and the mere fact that two boys same name born in same year should have been taken off and both should have been offered in this instance as the search was paid for, and a fee for both would have been paid, I went back to the public acess of reels at the National Library and noted the births myself, saved me giving this woman a few words she would not have understood. But anyway those of you that see this as a lecture, feel free to take it aboard as such, becuase in a way it is, you should always acess what you can in the public domain then as a last resort hopefully find an office that is attached to these parishes and access them through the office staff. Also bear in mind that in the summer months of the year, every man woman and child, who had an ancestor born, married or died in Ireland is busy chasing their ancestors, they do not belong to this list so they have not learnt what has been readily, told to you good folk here, so they are busy, running around trying to access the poor busy clergyman, and the clergyman is busy trying to get on with what is his busy time of the year. The one valuable thing that I have learnt in my Irish research, be it home here, in Ireland is to exercise patience, and when that is failing take a deep breath and go do the gardening. Cheers for now CARA

CARA, Well stated prose! In essence, the parish priest is now a modern day man who has found his niche. Some of the Irish priests really should change their clothes and go to WALL STREET, where they apparently belong. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Cara_Links <cracker@hotkey.net.au> To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:04:05 +1000 Subject: [Wicklow] PARISH RECORDS I am sorry but I do not believe in this harrassment or as it has been put bombardment of someone at an email address, glory be I know what its like to open my own email mailing box and be inundated with complaints, suggestions that I need these certain type of pills, or maybe a download of a programme, and find that someone is sharing there complaint with me, and I am happy to assist where I can with anything to do with family research ---so imagine these peoples thoughts if they open their mail boxes to all these mails complaining about the cost of research through the parish register. I would simply re-set my settings and have them disappear in the rubbish bin, a more organised way would be to have a body of well mannered people approach the necessary people and hand them everyones complaint verbally and in a nicely written letter, that way you have covered both bases and you are not simply finding your words dissapearing into cyber space and clogging the universe or blocking out my moon. Now whilst I do not believe the priest of any religion has the right to place upon it a search fee, beyond anyones purse strings, and I believe that along the way, the parish priest was paid to record these BDM, and hold them in a register for posterity, and they should be given freely, but along the way, someone has ruffled the feathers of these men, and the Arklow man is not the only one with his back up. There through out Ireland are many, indeed I am seeing once again the necessity to contact several relevant parties to get once again permission to even look at a couple of the reels at the National Library in Dublin.Something has caused this, and indeed I feel it may well be the over burdening of someones patience. And I do agree also, that most of you seeking a lookup from any of these parish registers, are not firstly seeking what is available in the public domain, be it all too far from you to research yourself, but as Paul has pointed out there are other options open to each and everyone of us to use.( even if Paul has taken leave from his researching for the time being) he has pointed you to some options for reseachers. I do not know what LDS has filmed and that should be an option for those of you to source out should you live outside Ireland, and order in the said film, you must remember what you see with your own eyes, and record is far more reliable that what someone else saw and recorded, plus the fact that the certificate you receive today is just a piece of paper written out by someone else who sited the person then had someone else sign it ( the parish priest rarely does the search) and neither do you, you are a lucky person that gets a parish man to sit with you and allow you to go through his registers. Also you need to take aboard the fact that not all books are housed with the parish priest a lot of burial books for Wicklow are floating in different houses, as those people are the caretakers of these books and graveyards.And those people themselves are busy people and should anyone desire to look at those said books also need to make an appointment to see them. One of the most important things you must take to mind is that most parish priests or clergymen of any faith are a working man, working 24/7 52 weeks of the year, so therefore, you need to make sure you have accessed all that is available within the public domain first, before you then contact the parish priest, but in Arklow's case there is an office, where he has people doing look ups, but then again can you be sure that they have sourced the people correctly that you need, I harp back to a perfect example of paid research within my own search, for one TOOLE child, and find that TWO were born in the same year, thats fine they gave me my man with the wrong parents, and when queried I received a shrug of the shoulders and told *that happens *, the annoying thing is I know they are wrong, and the mere fact that two boys same name born in same year should have been taken off and both should have been offered in this instance as the search was paid for, and a fee for both would have been paid, I went back to the public acess of reels at the National Library and noted the births myself, saved me giving this woman a few words she would not have understood. But anyway those of you that see this as a lecture, feel free to take it aboard as such, becuase in a way it is, you should always acess what you can in the public domain then as a last resort hopefully find an office that is attached to these parishes and access them through the office staff. Also bear in mind that in the summer months of the year, every man woman and child, who had an ancestor born, married or died in Ireland is busy chasing their ancestors, they do not belong to this list so they have not learnt what has been readily, told to you good folk here, so they are busy, running around trying to access the poor busy clergyman, and the clergyman is busy trying to get on with what is his busy time of the year. The one valuable thing that I have learnt in my Irish research, be it home here, in Ireland is to exercise patience, and when that is failing take a deep breath and go do the gardening. 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