Thanks Cara, I think my original question to you (or the list) was "Which port would hold the passenger's info? The home port (in TRE's case the Peeress sailed from,Gravesend) or the embarkation point,ie Lyttelton NZ? Anona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <cracker@hotkey.net.au> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: [Wicklow] PASSENGERS LEAVING IRE FOR UK > I forgot to post this to the list last week, sorry it was for Anona more than anyone else. > > No lists exist for passengers between Ireland and the UK as the service same as today was considered simply a ferry service. > So hence no lists to say who went on what ferry to where > > that is between Ireland and UK. > > Cheers > CARA > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > This List is dedicated to Co. Wicklow,Ireland family research and the History of Co. Wicklow Ireland. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.0/49 - Release Date: 7/16/05 > >

Anona, Without getting my head bitten off for my reply? I will just point out that the point of embarkation is the point from where the journey began! Dis-embarked is the point of Arrival...ouch! Now usually the ships manifest had to be presented to the Port authorities upon arrival (old Customs & Excise rules)also the same to the ship owners, an inventory of all passengers, cargo, supplies etc. had to be accounted for in this case to account for monies spent and earned. . The Ships list at: http://www.theshipslist.com/ generally gives a good indication of how a manifest and inventory works re: passengers and cargo ships. slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian & Anona" <anarob@paradise.net.nz> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Wicklow] PASSENGERS LEAVING IRE FOR UK > Thanks Cara, I think my original question to you (or the list) was "Which > port would hold the passenger's info? The home port (in TRE's case the > Peeress sailed from,Gravesend) or the embarkation point,ie Lyttelton NZ? > Anona > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cara_Links" <cracker@hotkey.net.au> > To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 1:15 PM > Subject: [Wicklow] PASSENGERS LEAVING IRE FOR UK > > > > I forgot to post this to the list last week, sorry it was for Anona more > than anyone else. > > > > No lists exist for passengers between Ireland and the UK as the service > same as today was considered simply a ferry service. > > So hence no lists to say who went on what ferry to where > > > > that is between Ireland and UK. > > > > Cheers > > CARA > > > > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > > This List is dedicated to Co. Wicklow,Ireland family research and the > History of Co. Wicklow Ireland. > > > > ============================== > > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta > rgetid=5429 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.0/49 - Release Date: 7/16/05 > > > > > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > Stick to the lists Golden Rule and you will never go wrong, Co Wicklow genealogy~history~news~ and be nice to one another. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > >

I rephrase my time frame to this NO records were kept in the earlier parts of the service between Ireland and UK, when that service began I dont know, but let me just say my search was within the time frame of 1800-1845 How do I know, well after much researching last year and many mails between many maritime web sites I finally received a mail from the Liverpool maritime museum where the archivist pointed out to me that the shipping system as we know it today for modern times did not exist back then, and although you may be given a piece of paper now, as I know you are now and you are indexed, you were not given such back in the time frame, and this is what I meant. And one must take into account one ticket purchased also covered many members of one family, so even if they had a ticket, what happened if Lil Tommy Tucker bought a ticket for five people, yes well then only Lil Tommy Tucker's name shows, and that went on all over the world for a long time. Also it wasnt necessary for a sea captain to have any form of sea going knowledge, just an ability to find land it seems, the practice of setting for an sea captains licence didnt become compulsory until around ( and I am guessing the date now as my minds gone rusty about 1836 or later.) Yours CARA

Anona Peeress The Timaru Herald Friday 24 July 1874 The Ship Peeress, from London, with 300 immigrants (164 statue adults) on board for Timaru, arrived at Lyttelton yesterday, 118 days out from Gravesend. Four births occurred during the voyage and six deaths. The telegram from which we obtain this information says that the passengers well be forwarded to Timaru today (Friday) by the Comerang, so that the vessel will not come to this port, as anticipated. The Immigration Officer, Mr LeCren, received a telegram yesterday, stating that Mr March, the Chief Immigration officer, had started for The South to assist in providing accommodation, and in distributing the immigrants, and that he would be in Geraldine to-day. An advertisement appears in another column, intimating that persons desirous of obtaining labor will find immigrants open for engagement, after Monday next, at the barracks at Timaru, Temuka, Geraldine and Waimate. Single men Single MenBlake William laborer Boyer Joseph laborer Carter Benjamin H bricklayer Castle William laborer Clancey James farm laborer Davis Tom farm laborer Earl Thomas farm laborer Foulkes Jeffrey farm laborer Gabb Alfred laborer Gilbert Thomas shepherd Godfrey Aaron laborer Grey Richard fitter Hillyer Mark fitter Hunt William laborer Judge Robert laborer Mills Thomas brickmaker Mainer James painter Mainer William carpenter Morgan James laborer Naughton Peter farm laborer Neal Job laborer Payne Thomas navvy Paynton George laborer Powell Ennis A laborer Powell Edwin laborer Powell James laborer Price Richard fitter Seaby George laborer Shave William laborer Shave George laborer Southward Henry farm laborer Stapely George laborer Stewart James miner Tooth Benjamin R range fitter Wild James laborer Wilcox James laborer Wilkes Riley laborer Woodford Joseph laborerFurther information on this is available at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nzlscant/peeress.htm