I dont see it as off topic it is a great thought, if you carefully look at the older headstones in Ireland, you can see they have a sun symbol on them, it is said that St Patrick in his wisdom, or was it another saint, used this ignorance to enhance the religion he was teaching, after all the first people worshipped the sun, to keep it in their teachings and allow it would be a wise move, so yes religion would have a great bearing on naming, but lets look at what names may have been affected by *time changes in Wicklow or indeed Ireland * Since time began babes have been named after favourite people, Well we have William of Orange he must account for some of the Williams ( and no I dont mean that way) Charles ( would also account for the name appearing often in his time) and I am sure there are many other famous and infamous people that have given there names to babes. And I am sure there are more that can be added to this list go ahead CARA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <pdowling7@comcast.net> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:26 PM Subject: RE: [Wicklow] Church of Ireland naming > Here's a thought, perhaps off topic, though. I would have thought that > naming convention would have promulgated from the historic culture more so > than a religion. Perhaps when Christianity struck, all things were turned > upside down. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cara_Links [mailto:cracker@hotkey.net.au] > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 04:40 > To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Wicklow] Church of Ireland naming > > Yes there is > > let me go through some registers and see how different it appears > over a time period > > Cara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul" <pdowling7@comcast.net> > To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 11:13 PM > Subject: RE: [Wicklow] NAMING PATTERN FOOTNOTE OR TOPNOTE > > >> Is there a different pattern for C of I? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cara_Links [mailto:cracker@hotkey.net.au] >> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 00:25 >> To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [Wicklow] NAMING PATTERN FOOTNOTE OR TOPNOTE >> >> * A footnote on this ...........naming pattern >> >> doesnt seem to apply to Church of Ireland very often >> Cara >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kathleen & Ross Crain" <rosscrain@shaw.ca> >> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:47 AM >> Subject: Re: [Wicklow] Irish naming pattern >> >> >>> Thanks very much for the information. >>> Kathleen >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Paul" <pdowling7@comcast.net> >>> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 9:39 AM >>> Subject: RE: [Wicklow] Irish naming pattern >>> >>> >>>> Per: >>>> >>>> http://www.billcarney.com/brickmasons/genmisc/naming.htm >>>> >>>> Irish Naming Conventions >>>> >>>> The 1st son was usually named after the father's father >>>> The 2nd son was usually named after the mother's father >>>> The 3rd son was usually named after the father >>>> The 4th son was usually named after the father's eldest brother >>>> The 5th son was usually named after the mother's eldest brother >>>> The 1st daughter was usually named after the mother's mother >>>> The 2nd daughter was usually named after the father's mother >>>> The 3rd daughter was usually named after the mother >>>> The 4th daughter was usually named after the mother's eldest sister >>>> The 5th daughter was usually named after the father's eldest sister >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Kathleen & Ross Crain [mailto:rosscrain@shaw.ca] >>>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 12:33 >>>> To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: [Wicklow] Irish naming pattern >>>> >>>> Does anyone know the Irish naming pattern ? 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I've had a look at my C of I families in Wicklow and other parts of the country, and there doesn't seem to be a particulary rigid system. A general patern in my family is as follows: 1st son named after his paternal grandfather 2nd son named after his maternal grandfather - or his father 3rd son named after his father - or his maternal grandfather 1st daughter named after her paternal grandmother 2nd daughter named after her mother 3rd daughter named after her maternal grandmother After 3 sons and 3 daughters the naming sequence generally seemed to break down - and more unusual names crept in - one family has a Jemima, Annabella and an Edith, as well as the usual Jane, Mary Anne, Elizabeth and Sarah. In my experiance the Presbyterians tended to incorporate the mother's surname either as a first name or a middle name into the child's name - both for boys and girls. Sometimes this has passed down though to the next generation. My grandfather and 2 of his cousins, were given their paternal grandmother's maden name as a middle name. Hope this is of some help - I'm looking forward to a more definative answer - perhaps! Susan