Hi Maurie Thank you for that - the context of our exchange relates to the poem posted I think by Cara and was highlighting a child living rough in the 1830's in Wexford . The next time you are in Dublin I would like to bring you around to see the homeless and those sleeping rough on the streets of Dublin during the year and at Christmas in the year 2008 . How Christian is that ? Easy to point the finger and to attribute blame - somebody important once said 'the poor you will always have with you' . Of course the book stops somewhere and I take your point but equally in spite of all the 'advances' in civilisation we encounter the perenniel problem where ever we go. Wishing you all the blessings of Christmas and a healthy and happy New Year Golding ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurie O'Connor" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Twas Christmas Eve and !!!! > Golding, I am very aware that Wexford is in Ireland, just below Wicklow. > Most of my ancestry comes from Wicklow, Galway and Tipperary. > > I am also very aware that the English did not bestow very much Christian > charity at all on the Irish. The change to the Irish custom of leaving > land > to the eldest son, which was disallowed in the Penal Laws, was forced on > the > Irish under the belief that within three generations no Irish Catholic > would > have enough land on which to grow enough food to sustain a family and > thereby provide an end of all these troublesome Irishmen. How Christian > is > that? > > The English have a lot to answer for in Ireland, and the Church of England > had a lot to answer for in England, as well as the countries it consumed - > Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Much easier and politically correct to say > that God called the little one home, rather than admit that the poor > little > bugger starved to death for want of food, or froze to death from want of a > roof over his head. And that still applies in many countries around this > good Earth of ours!!! > > To some extent, the poor in England had a slightly better than none chance > of surviving due to the good ladies doing their Christian duty. > > And Seasons Greeting to you too > Barbara > > > > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello all, Just a reminder that c.1783,right after the Rev.War, the English law was changed in the new U.S. so that all children had the right to inherit equally from their parents.Of course this included real property as well as personal property. This has worked out very well in the U.S. as everyone knows. Barbara --- Original Message ----- From: "GOLDING KIDD" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Twas Christmas Eve and !!!! > Hi Maurie > Thank you for that - the context of our exchange relates > to the poem posted I think by Cara and was highlighting > a child living rough in the 1830's in Wexford . The next time you are > in Dublin I would like to bring you around to see the homeless and > those sleeping rough on the streets of Dublin during the year and > at Christmas in the year 2008 . How Christian is that ? > Easy to point the finger and to attribute blame - somebody > important once said 'the poor you will always have with you' . > Of course the book stops somewhere and I take your point > but equally in spite of all the 'advances' in civilisation we > encounter the perenniel problem where ever we go. > Wishing you all the blessings of Christmas and a healthy > and happy New Year > > Golding > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maurie O'Connor" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:52 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Twas Christmas Eve and !!!! > > >> Golding, I am very aware that Wexford is in Ireland, just below Wicklow. >> Most of my ancestry comes from Wicklow, Galway and Tipperary. >> >> I am also very aware that the English did not bestow very much Christian >> charity at all on the Irish. The change to the Irish custom of leaving >> land >> to the eldest son, which was disallowed in the Penal Laws, was forced on >> the >> Irish under the belief that within three generations no Irish Catholic >> would >> have enough land on which to grow enough food to sustain a family and >> thereby provide an end of all these troublesome Irishmen. How Christian >> is >> that? >> >> The English have a lot to answer for in Ireland, and the Church of >> England >> had a lot to answer for in England, as well as the countries it >> consumed - >> Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Much easier and politically correct to say >> that God called the little one home, rather than admit that the poor >> little >> bugger starved to death for want of food, or froze to death from want of >> a >> roof over his head. And that still applies in many countries around this >> good Earth of ours!!! >> >> To some extent, the poor in England had a slightly better than none >> chance >> of surviving due to the good ladies doing their Christian duty. >> >> And Seasons Greeting to you too >> Barbara >> >> >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer >> >> 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message