BALTINGLASS ABBEY MURPHY This tomb Erected by JAmes Murphy in memory of his beloved wife Hannah Murphy who depd this life the 12th day of April 1813 aged 29 years also in memory of her father Martin HIGGINSON who depd this life 18th of September 1840 aged 68 years and his son Sewell M. Murphy who died 13th of January 1869 aged 28 years and also the above named James Murphy who died 11th of December 1875 aged 65 years. PARKE Here lieth the body of Robert Parke who departed this life Augst 28th 1803 aged 589 years also his daughter Ellen Parke, departed this life 4th February 1866 aged 70, his son Robt Parke departed this life 12th July 1873 aged 79 years and his daughter/MARTHA HIGGINSON departed this life 6th December 1878 aged 86 years. ST MARYS CHURCH BLESSINGTON ( CHURCH of Ireland) HIGGINSON To the Glory of God and in most loving memory of James Macauley HIGGINSON. K.C.B., who died June 28th 1885 and his wife OLIVIA NICHOLAS HIGGINSON who died Oct 21st 1906. May have photos will need to check file Valerie Cheers Cara

Valerie Nothing is a simple as that, you are assuming that there is simply one church in Blessington Joyce has placed on line the Headstones: WICKLOW, Headstones at St.Mary's, Blessington, Co. Wicklow and they are held on the IGP page, I am sure that Joyce will be more than happy to tell you others she has from the area, if she has any that is. I also have the Wills index you are speaking of but have not had the time to do a search for you. Cheers for the moment Cara

A Phóil a chara, An freagra gearr - bhraith sé ar do ghinealach agus ar do rath pearsanta le linn do shaoil. / The short answwer - it depended upon your genealogy and your personal success during your life. Ach lig dom samplaí a chur le chéile in alt. / But let me put examples together in an article. Le gach dea-ghuí / Best, Jerry Treibheanna Éireannacha www.irishtribes.com --- On Mon, 8/22/11, Paul Dowling <pdowling7@comcast.net> wrote: > From: Paul Dowling <pdowling7@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] (no subject) > To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:16 AM > Good article Jerry. Clarify something > for me, please. How is honor-price > established? Made that could be the subject of your next > writing. > > Thanx, Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Jerry Kelly > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 11:46 PM > To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] (no subject) > > Ré:  Tábhacht Ghinealais / Importance of Genealogy > > A chairde, > > Scríobh mé alt gearr le déanaí ar thábhacht ghinealais > i sochaí Ghaelach. > Is féidir é a fháil > ag:   /   I wrote a short > article recently about the > importance of genealogy in Gaelic society.  You can > find it at: > > http://www.irishtribes.com/article-importance-of-genealogy-master.html > > Iarrfaidh mé alt a scríobh ar Sheanchas timpieall gach > cúpla seachtain.  / > I’ll try to write an article on Seanchas every couple of > weeks. > > Go raibh sé sin cabhrach.  /  Hope that will be > helpful. > > Le gach dea-ghuí / Best, > Jerry > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to > your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own > Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to > your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own > Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Go raibh maith agat, a Phóil. / Thank you, Paul. Tá an freagra beagán casta ach suimiúil. / The answer is a bit complicated but interesting. An chéad alt eile ná Tábhacht Ghaeilge do Thaighde Ginealais. / My next article will be "The Importance of the Irish Language for Genealogical Research." Ach lig dom obair freisin ar alt mar "Cad é do lóg enech?" / But let me also work on "What is your Honor-Price?" Go raibh míle maith agat as do mholadh. / Many thanks for your suggestion. Le gach dea-ghuí / Best, Jerry Treibheanna Éireannach awww.irishtribes.com --- On Mon, 8/22/11, Paul Dowling <pdowling7@comcast.net> wrote: > From: Paul Dowling <pdowling7@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] (no subject) > To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:16 AM > Good article Jerry. Clarify something > for me, please. How is honor-price > established? Made that could be the subject of your next > writing. > > Thanx, Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Jerry Kelly > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 11:46 PM > To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] (no subject) > > Ré:  Tábhacht Ghinealais / Importance of Genealogy > > A chairde, > > Scríobh mé alt gearr le déanaí ar thábhacht ghinealais > i sochaí Ghaelach. > Is féidir é a fháil > ag:   /   I wrote a short > article recently about the > importance of genealogy in Gaelic society.  You can > find it at: > > http://www.irishtribes.com/article-importance-of-genealogy-master.html > > Iarrfaidh mé alt a scríobh ar Sheanchas timpieall gach > cúpla seachtain.  / > I’ll try to write an article on Seanchas every couple of > weeks. > > Go raibh sé sin cabhrach.  /  Hope that will be > helpful. > > Le gach dea-ghuí / Best, > Jerry > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to > your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own > Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to > your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own > Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Hi colette, thanks for your reply. I'm not %100 sure for definite that this is my wife's great great great grandfather's birth though. In the 1851 UK census, Cornelius says he was born at Ireland in 1780, but nothing more specific than that. I did find another Cornelius callaghan on familysearch who was baptised a couple of years later, his father was named as Jeremiah. How on earth I'm going to prove which one (if either) is the correct one is anyone's guess. I do know that there was no child named Jeremiah in my wife's family group, I was rather hoping that the co Wicklow entry may have a father's name that was more likely, like Joseph, or alexander. It would be ideal to have the additional information from that index as you say, but I really can't afford to spend out on a family that at the moment I'm not %100 convinced is the correct one. I hope you can see where I'm coming from on this one? Many thanks for your reply again, best wishes, Jon

Go raibh maith agat, a Phroinsias. / Thank you, Frank. Le gach dea-ghuí / Best, Jerry Treibheanna Éireannach awww.irishtribes.com --- On Sun, 8/21/11, Frank Kehoe <f784@btinternet.com> wrote: > From: Frank Kehoe <f784@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] (no subject) > To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, August 21, 2011, 12:01 PM > What a great piece Jerry, clearly put > and easy to understand. > The pity is we have to look to the Anglo-Norman feudal > system of the last > three or four hundred years (there seems to have been some > coexistence > before the Tudor era) to access the records to get started > and then you get > stuck because the Irish element has been air-brushed. > All good stuff but probably too political for this forum! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Kelly > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:46 AM > To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] (no subject) > > Ré:  Tábhacht Ghinealais / Importance of Genealogy > > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to > your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own > Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Good article Jerry. Clarify something for me, please. How is honor-price established? Made that could be the subject of your next writing. Thanx, Paul -----Original Message----- From: irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Kelly Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 11:46 PM To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] (no subject) Ré: Tábhacht Ghinealais / Importance of Genealogy A chairde, Scríobh mé alt gearr le déanaí ar thábhacht ghinealais i sochaí Ghaelach. Is féidir é a fháil ag: / I wrote a short article recently about the importance of genealogy in Gaelic society. You can find it at: http://www.irishtribes.com/article-importance-of-genealogy-master.html Iarrfaidh mé alt a scríobh ar Sheanchas timpieall gach cúpla seachtain. / I’ll try to write an article on Seanchas every couple of weeks. Go raibh sé sin cabhrach. / Hope that will be helpful. Le gach dea-ghuí / Best, Jerry *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

29 Aug 1851 —St Mary, Church of Ireland, Dublin. Thomas Young, Gent., of 15 Henry St., son of Henry Young married Alicia Young, of 1 Richmond Street, daughter of Thomas Young. Witnesses; John Edwaerd Mayne Young & Geo Read http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/87bde60905447 for image -----Original Message----- From: Vicki Harding Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 5:15 AM To: IRL-WICKLOW@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Dublin Will and Grant Books Index 1270-1858 Hello I have found, on Irish Origins, an entry for a Young Alicia and Thomas Young 1851 is the year and M.L. (Marriage LIcence) is the Nature of Record What I am trying to solve is this the names of the couple who were married or the names of the parents or are they somehow else involved. Hoping for the light to be turned on at the end of the tunel. Regards Vicki New Zealand *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What a great piece Jerry, clearly put and easy to understand. The pity is we have to look to the Anglo-Norman feudal system of the last three or four hundred years (there seems to have been some coexistence before the Tudor era) to access the records to get started and then you get stuck because the Irish element has been air-brushed. All good stuff but probably too political for this forum! -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Kelly Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:46 AM To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] (no subject) Ré: Tábhacht Ghinealais / Importance of Genealogy

Does anyone know if these are available online please ? Looking for HIGGINSONs. Mrs Valerie B Garton Dip Family History Studies and Assc Dip Local & Applied History. Guild of One-Name Studies [GOONS] representative for the surnames CULLODEN & HIGGINSON Worldwide - member no: 4825

Ré: Tábhacht Ghinealais / Importance of Genealogy A chairde, Scríobh mé alt gearr le déanaí ar thábhacht ghinealais i sochaí Ghaelach. Is féidir é a fháil ag: / I wrote a short article recently about the importance of genealogy in Gaelic society. You can find it at: http://www.irishtribes.com/article-importance-of-genealogy-master.html Iarrfaidh mé alt a scríobh ar Sheanchas timpieall gach cúpla seachtain. / I’ll try to write an article on Seanchas every couple of weeks. Go raibh sé sin cabhrach. / Hope that will be helpful. Le gach dea-ghuí / Best, Jerry

No need to apoligise for the length of the mail Paul as it held most in depth insight, but the Library was tested on its system as late as the 12th August to see how it was all running but the first test began over 6 weeks ago, and yes not all areas were tested, but the ones that were necessary to the basic research of any non professional person beginning their research were tested, I only commented on the fiasco of two or maybe three of the things that were uncovered in this exercise to test the system. Cara Allowing Your mail to flow through again as it is so informative. ----- Original Message ----- From: <gorry@indigo.ie> To: <cara_links@bigpond.com>; <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 5:20 AM Subject: National Library of Ireland and its survey Dear Cara, I read with alarm the description you were given of someone's recent visit to the National Library of Ireland. I don't know when this visit took place but I would be quite disappointed if it happened since 1st July 2011. First of all, it would help people's understanding of the situation if the institution was referred to by its real name - the National Library of Ireland [NLI], in Kildare Street, Dublin . It's confusing even to me (a regular NLI reader) when it's referred to as 'the Dublin Library'. That's because Dublin City Library & Archive is the name of a different institution in Pearse Street, Dublin. The first section of the NLI to which your correspondent refers is called the Genealogical Advisory Service (it's not the Genealogical Office, which has been downgraded almost to extinction by the NLI over the past decade). The second section of the Library to which he / she refers is the lower Microfilm Room, where the microfilms of Roman Catholic parish registers are accessed. Further up the stairs is the main Reading Room. Off that is the upper Microfilm Room, where microfilms of everything OTHER THAN RC parish registers are accessed. The Genealogical Advisory Service [GAS] was set up in 1989 at the Genealogical Office (further down Kildare Street). It was established as part of what became known as the Irish Genealogical Project - a government-backed initiative to promote tourism through genealogy. The GAS was run under the auspices of the Chief Herald by the Association of Professional Genealogists in Ireland [APGI] in conjunction with staff members. There was a charge for the service and the consultation lasted an hour. In 1998 the GAS was transferred up to the National Library's main building so that it would relieve congestion at the counter at the desk of the Reading Room. It was also made a free service. It continued to be run by APGI members in conjunction with NLI staff but eventually it was left to APGI to operate. Contrary to general perception, the APGI members who ran the GAS were not volunteers. They were professionals paid by the NLI to impart their expertise to visitors. They advised on the best method of finding information on the visitor's specific family and explained how to use the relevant records. This could involve records accessed in the NLI, in another record repository in Dublin or Belfast, a local library or indeed contacting an indexing (or 'heritage') centre. Because the visitor was no longer paying for the consultation, he / she could be given a 10-20 minute advisory session and sent on their way to research the first steps. They were then free to come back for more. The GAS worked so well that the National Archives in Bishop Street, Dublin, asked APGI to run a similar service at its premises. This began in 2003. The following year both services were visited on behalf of the LDS (the Mormon Church) by a genealogist surveying genealogical research services in various countries. In 2005 he communicated to APGI that the GAS at the National Library and the National Archives in Dublin provided the best services he had seen during his survey. In January 2007 the National Library discontinued its association with APGI. From that point forward the GAS room was run by NLI staff members, supplemented by students or interns engaged during summer months. This summer the NLI engaged APGI members to provide 'emergency cover' to help staff members during the months of July-September. There is one APGI member on duty each day (Mon-Fri), 10am-1pm & 2pm-5pm. The APGI member is identifiable by the blue APGI badge they wear. Sometime almost a year ago the NLI made the decision to change the system of accessing microfilms of RC parish registers in the lower Microfilm Room. Instead of placing an order for up to 3 films at a time in the main Reading Room, members of the public (without the need for a reader's ticket) could help themselves to films from cabinets in the lower Microfilm Room. Despite the NLI being approached by many regular readers about the inadvisability of such a free-for-all, that 'system' remains. A few months ago a major change was made in the NLI, one not touched on at all by the person who advised Cara. It was always the case that readers ordered all materials, as they were needed, at the desk in the main Reading Room, requesting 3 items at a time. Now you may request up to 5 items, but only at certain times during the day. You must place orders before 10am, 12 noon, 2pm or 4pm (or 6.30pm on the evenings the NLI opens late). So unless you want RC parish registers you are confined to these times and must predict which books, journals or microfilms you will need. If you get through 5 items in half an hour (as experienced researchers will often do) you must twiddle your thumbs till the next delivery. Readers are told that this is due to redeploying staff to cataloguing, etc., and that restricted ordering is common policy in 'closed stack' libraries. It is in the British Library, but you could fit the NLI and its collections into that institution ten times. The NLI has received complaints about this unworkable situation from many (including me) and suggestions on how they could save staff for cataloguing, etc., while providing the service expected of a national library. I suggested that they employ the same system for all their microfilm collection (newspapers, manuscripts such as Genealogical Office pedigrees, Tithe Books, etc. - including much non-genealogical material) as is in use in the National Archives and the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. This would involve bar-coding all microfilm boxes, placing them in self-service cabinets and scanning them each time a reader takes them out and returns them, one at a time. That would ensure that microfilms don't go astray, while allowing speedy access to the material. That could all be supervised by one staff member at a time. The rest of them could continue delivering books, journals, etc. (without time restrictions) and get on with cataloguing without shutting down the system. My suggestion was not even acknowledged in the bland reply I received from the NLI. That restricted access system is quite simply a scandal, and Cara's correspondent didn't experience it because he / she just went for RC parish register microfilms. If any of you have completed the NLI's survey (as I have) you'll see no mention of the restricted access system and nowhere in which to make general comments. It looks like the NLI's survey is intended to get the results that the NLI want so that they can continue turning it into a book museum. I'll be reiterating my comments and suggestions in a letter to Fiona Ross, Director of the National Library, which I'll copy to Jimmy Deenihan, TD, Minister for Arts, Heritage & the Gaeltacht. I have to say that Cara's correspondent's comment "it feels to me like, Heritage Centers, Pro Reseachers, would be delighted with this daunting system now in place in the NLI Dublin" was very offensive and showed great ignorance of how things operate in Irish genealogy. I cannot speak for unaccredited individuals who call themselves professional genealogists, but I can talk about the Association of Professional Genealogists in Ireland [APGI]. I am an accredited member of APGI. It should not be confused with the American-based APG (a networking organisation for people working in genealogy-related careers which does not have an accreditation process for expertise). Over the years the Association of Professional Genealogists in Ireland [APGI] (and I personally) have worked for better access to records for all researchers in all Irish record repositories. It was primarily through our efforts that the NLI re-opened the 'closed' parish register microfilms from Cashel, Cloyne and Kerry dioceses. As a constituent member of CIGO [Council of Irish Genealogical Organisations], APGI has worked with bodies such as the Irish Genealogical Research Society, the Irish Family History Society and the North of Ireland Family History Society to improve conditions for all. They are societies that anyone can join, and they should be supported by individuals who inhabit newsgroups like this one because they work together systematically to improve your lot. Getting back to "Pro Researchers", APGI members give a lot of their free time to serving on committees of genealogical organisations, etc.. I myself served on the NLI's Committee on Genealogy and Heraldry for over three years. I found it a particularly frustrating and unrewarding experience as I achieved almost nothing in trying to get this advisory committee to recommend anything useful in relation to genealogy to the NLI's Board. Anything that did get to the Board fell on deaf ears. I hope this background information will put into perspective the latest NLI survey along with the reality on the ground. Apologies for the length of this post. Paul Gorry -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange

Quoting Cara_Links <cara_links@bigpond.com>: As I have also recently been to the NLI may I add a comment or two. The 'security' men are wonderful still and very helpful. Readers tickets are now issued from a room off the main Reading Room - this process is computerised and once you have completed that part you have you photograph taken and the ticket is put together and 'hey presto'. When I went into the genealogy room there was one person there only (on duty) but he was most helpful. What a pity to direct people to the Heritage Centres - for in Cork there isn't one as far as I know. There is Mallow and Skibbereen plus West Cork in Bandon, which is not really a Heritage Centre at all but more of a museum. Others may know of a centre in Cork itself and I would be delighted to hear of it. Just my tuppence worth and yes, I did fill in the survey when it arrived. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand > I received my survey directly from the NLI 10 days ago, and decided that > it was hard to pass a comment on the goings on of the Dublin Library without > having it all checked out, as when I was last there the system in place was > working and working well. > The link below will take you to the Survey:- > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/NationalLibraryofIrelandUserSurvey > Familiar faces have taken their redundancy and left, no one blames them for > this, but surely the library should have had in place someone else with same > expertise to follow through on these jobs? > Then of course we have the cheaper labour people, who have stepped into the > jobs, who in fact do not even speak a lot of English or Irish either for > that matter, whilst I am not against these persons gaining employment, I > think they should at least have a fundamental grasp of Irish Family history. > > So I set in place a few persons to go check the system out as it is today. > This is their report with my own added feelings in it. > > Report:- When you now enter the Dublin Library foyer the enquiry or meet > and greet counter that was situated on your left of the entrance, is not > there, you now pass through the security gates which are dead ahead of you > as you enter the front door, show your library pass, and should you not > have one of these then you are directed, up the stairs, to the left to > enquire and get one, this is in fact the genealogy department, but that also > is not as it was. > > So any directions you need regarding family history you are directed to this > area of the library, ( so far so good I guess) but then in the genealogy > department you no longer have the people working there, with the expertise > of, how why and where you should be looking, oh by the way before this > happens you must take a number and wait in line, for your number to be > called. > > Then if you are unlucky enough to strike a person who has no knowledge of > what or where you are needing to look, there standard answer is go to the > heritage center of said county, for instance the day this was all being > looked over a couple from UK had flown into Dublin to use the Dublin Library > facilities to be told that they would need to go to Co Cork to look at > their heritage center files, and were dismissed without even so much as a > suggestion of what was available within the Library they were in. > > So passing from this floor to the next floor, where you filled in your forms > for microfilms to be delivered to the reading room (downstairs opposite the > genealogy room) you fill in your form as before, but as the man behind the > desk stated he did not know anymore where the reference books had been > placed, and that everything was all over the place. > > So the form was filled in for an old favourite Microfilm to test the system, > 6476/77 that by the way is Avoca Co Wicklow Ireland,. > Instructions were then forth coming that you now return to the reading room, > and its open plan, you help yourself to the microfilm, and before you rub > your hands together and say that systems sounds good, imagine opening a > cupboard with all these draws in it holding thousands of microfilms, very > daunting to say the least. > But when you locate the place and microfilm which is in a box that you have > asked for, 6476/77 you then place this box in the slot that says in use, go > to your reader and load the film. > > Film loaded and Avoca parish register should have appeared but no it was > Liscannor 2440 that appeared on the reel, so you ask what is wrong with this > system well to begin with if you take a film out return it to its correct > box and put back in its correct place, or do we have an archivist who is > their wisdom monitors the reels assists you with the correct one and > checks them back in, my own answer to that is yes, you are free to make up > your own mind on that one. > > So yes I do now agree that you take the time to support Fiona and her course > on her survey, but that is of course yet again your own choice. > But all support that can be given, replaces a system back in a very > important Library in our endeavours to do OUR own family research, because > it feels to me like, > Heritage Centers, Pro Reseachers, would be delighted with this daunting > system now in place in the NLI Dublin > > As Collette has pointed out ( Dublin List) it will only take 10 minutes of > your time, it may save you hours of grief eventually when trying to research > your family in Ireland > > The link below will take you to the Survey:- > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/NationalLibraryofIrelandUserSurvey > > > Cheers Cara

Hello list: >From the 1840s on, some members of the Harris, Mahon and Massey families from County Wicklow emigrated more or less together to Ontario, Canada. They started out in southwest Ontario, in the communities of West Nipissing in Middlesex County and in Dereham, Oxford County. However some of them moved northeast during the 1860s to settle land around a small village called Port Carling, Ontario. Other family members (notably Harrises) continued to join them. The Masseys and Harrises are from Delgany, the Mahons probably from Derrylossary. Recently I visited the Port Carling cemetery and photographed the headstones. These are now posted on Find-A-Grave along with the headstone inscription. The link should take you directly to the Port Carling cemetery. If not, you can easily search for it. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GScid=2327115 Cheers, Annie

Dear Cara, I read with alarm the description you were given of someone’s recent visit to the National Library of Ireland. I don’t know when this visit took place but I would be quite disappointed if it happened since 1st July 2011. First of all, it would help people’s understanding of the situation if the institution was referred to by its real name – the National Library of Ireland [NLI], in Kildare Street, Dublin . It’s confusing even to me (a regular NLI reader) when it’s referred to as ‘the Dublin Library’. That’s because Dublin City Library & Archive is the name of a different institution in Pearse Street, Dublin. The first section of the NLI to which your correspondent refers is called the Genealogical Advisory Service (it’s not the Genealogical Office, which has been downgraded almost to extinction by the NLI over the past decade). The second section of the Library to which he / she refers is the lower Microfilm Room, where the microfilms of Roman Catholic parish registers are accessed. Further up the stairs is the main Reading Room. Off that is the upper Microfilm Room, where microfilms of everything OTHER THAN RC parish registers are accessed. The Genealogical Advisory Service [GAS] was set up in 1989 at the Genealogical Office (further down Kildare Street). It was established as part of what became known as the Irish Genealogical Project – a government-backed initiative to promote tourism through genealogy. The GAS was run under the auspices of the Chief Herald by the Association of Professional Genealogists in Ireland [APGI] in conjunction with staff members. There was a charge for the service and the consultation lasted an hour. In 1998 the GAS was transferred up to the National Library’s main building so that it would relieve congestion at the counter at the desk of the Reading Room. It was also made a free service. It continued to be run by APGI members in conjunction with NLI staff but eventually it was left to APGI to operate. Contrary to general perception, the APGI members who ran the GAS were not volunteers. They were professionals paid by the NLI to impart their expertise to visitors. They advised on the best method of finding information on the visitor’s specific family and explained how to use the relevant records. This could involve records accessed in the NLI, in another record repository in Dublin or Belfast, a local library or indeed contacting an indexing (or ‘heritage’) centre. Because the visitor was no longer paying for the consultation, he / she could be given a 10-20 minute advisory session and sent on their way to research the first steps. They were then free to come back for more. The GAS worked so well that the National Archives in Bishop Street, Dublin, asked APGI to run a similar service at its premises. This began in 2003. The following year both services were visited on behalf of the LDS (the Mormon Church) by a genealogist surveying genealogical research services in various countries. In 2005 he communicated to APGI that the GAS at the National Library and the National Archives in Dublin provided the best services he had seen during his survey. In January 2007 the National Library discontinued its association with APGI. From that point forward the GAS room was run by NLI staff members, supplemented by students or interns engaged during summer months. This summer the NLI engaged APGI members to provide ‘emergency cover’ to help staff members during the months of July-September. There is one APGI member on duty each day (Mon-Fri), 10am-1pm & 2pm-5pm. The APGI member is identifiable by the blue APGI badge they wear. Sometime almost a year ago the NLI made the decision to change the system of accessing microfilms of RC parish registers in the lower Microfilm Room. Instead of placing an order for up to 3 films at a time in the main Reading Room, members of the public (without the need for a reader’s ticket) could help themselves to films from cabinets in the lower Microfilm Room. Despite the NLI being approached by many regular readers about the inadvisability of such a free-for-all, that ‘system’ remains. A few months ago a major change was made in the NLI, one not touched on at all by the person who advised Cara. It was always the case that readers ordered all materials, as they were needed, at the desk in the main Reading Room, requesting 3 items at a time. Now you may request up to 5 items, but only at certain times during the day. You must place orders before 10am, 12 noon, 2pm or 4pm (or 6.30pm on the evenings the NLI opens late). So unless you want RC parish registers you are confined to these times and must predict which books, journals or microfilms you will need. If you get through 5 items in half an hour (as experienced researchers will often do) you must twiddle your thumbs till the next delivery. Readers are told that this is due to redeploying staff to cataloguing, etc., and that restricted ordering is common policy in ‘closed stack’ libraries. It is in the British Library, but you could fit the NLI and its collections into that institution ten times. The NLI has received complaints about this unworkable situation from many (including me) and suggestions on how they could save staff for cataloguing, etc., while providing the service expected of a national library. I suggested that they employ the same system for all their microfilm collection (newspapers, manuscripts such as Genealogical Office pedigrees, Tithe Books, etc. – including much non-genealogical material) as is in use in the National Archives and the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. This would involve bar-coding all microfilm boxes, placing them in self-service cabinets and scanning them each time a reader takes them out and returns them, one at a time. That would ensure that microfilms don’t go astray, while allowing speedy access to the material. That could all be supervised by one staff member at a time. The rest of them could continue delivering books, journals, etc. (without time restrictions) and get on with cataloguing without shutting down the system. My suggestion was not even acknowledged in the bland reply I received from the NLI. That restricted access system is quite simply a scandal, and Cara’s correspondent didn’t experience it because he / she just went for RC parish register microfilms. If any of you have completed the NLI’s survey (as I have) you’ll see no mention of the restricted access system and nowhere in which to make general comments. It looks like the NLI’s survey is intended to get the results that the NLI want so that they can continue turning it into a book museum. I’ll be reiterating my comments and suggestions in a letter to Fiona Ross, Director of the National Library, which I’ll copy to Jimmy Deenihan, TD, Minister for Arts, Heritage & the Gaeltacht. I have to say that Cara’s correspondent’s comment “it feels to me like, Heritage Centers, Pro Reseachers, would be delighted with this daunting system now in place in the NLI Dublin” was very offensive and showed great ignorance of how things operate in Irish genealogy. I cannot speak for unaccredited individuals who call themselves professional genealogists, but I can talk about the Association of Professional Genealogists in Ireland [APGI]. I am an accredited member of APGI. It should not be confused with the American-based APG (a networking organisation for people working in genealogy-related careers which does not have an accreditation process for expertise). Over the years the Association of Professional Genealogists in Ireland [APGI] (and I personally) have worked for better access to records for all researchers in all Irish record repositories. It was primarily through our efforts that the NLI re-opened the ‘closed’ parish register microfilms from Cashel, Cloyne and Kerry dioceses. As a constituent member of CIGO [Council of Irish Genealogical Organisations], APGI has worked with bodies such as the Irish Genealogical Research Society, the Irish Family History Society and the North of Ireland Family History Society to improve conditions for all. They are societies that anyone can join, and they should be supported by individuals who inhabit newsgroups like this one because they work together systematically to improve your lot. Getting back to “Pro Researchers”, APGI members give a lot of their free time to serving on committees of genealogical organisations, etc.. I myself served on the NLI’s Committee on Genealogy and Heraldry for over three years. I found it a particularly frustrating and unrewarding experience as I achieved almost nothing in trying to get this advisory committee to recommend anything useful in relation to genealogy to the NLI’s Board. Anything that did get to the Board fell on deaf ears. I hope this background information will put into perspective the latest NLI survey along with the reality on the ground. Apologies for the length of this post. Paul Gorry -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange

I received my survey directly from the NLI 10 days ago, and decided that it was hard to pass a comment on the goings on of the Dublin Library without having it all checked out, as when I was last there the system in place was working and working well. The link below will take you to the Survey:- http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/NationalLibraryofIrelandUserSurvey Familiar faces have taken their redundancy and left, no one blames them for this, but surely the library should have had in place someone else with same expertise to follow through on these jobs? Then of course we have the cheaper labour people, who have stepped into the jobs, who in fact do not even speak a lot of English or Irish either for that matter, whilst I am not against these persons gaining employment, I think they should at least have a fundamental grasp of Irish Family history. So I set in place a few persons to go check the system out as it is today. This is their report with my own added feelings in it. Report:- When you now enter the Dublin Library foyer the enquiry or meet and greet counter that was situated on your left of the entrance, is not there, you now pass through the security gates which are dead ahead of you as you enter the front door, show your library pass, and should you not have one of these then you are directed, up the stairs, to the left to enquire and get one, this is in fact the genealogy department, but that also is not as it was. So any directions you need regarding family history you are directed to this area of the library, ( so far so good I guess) but then in the genealogy department you no longer have the people working there, with the expertise of, how why and where you should be looking, oh by the way before this happens you must take a number and wait in line, for your number to be called. Then if you are unlucky enough to strike a person who has no knowledge of what or where you are needing to look, there standard answer is go to the heritage center of said county, for instance the day this was all being looked over a couple from UK had flown into Dublin to use the Dublin Library facilities to be told that they would need to go to Co Cork to look at their heritage center files, and were dismissed without even so much as a suggestion of what was available within the Library they were in. So passing from this floor to the next floor, where you filled in your forms for microfilms to be delivered to the reading room (downstairs opposite the genealogy room) you fill in your form as before, but as the man behind the desk stated he did not know anymore where the reference books had been placed, and that everything was all over the place. So the form was filled in for an old favourite Microfilm to test the system, 6476/77 that by the way is Avoca Co Wicklow Ireland,. Instructions were then forth coming that you now return to the reading room, and its open plan, you help yourself to the microfilm, and before you rub your hands together and say that systems sounds good, imagine opening a cupboard with all these draws in it holding thousands of microfilms, very daunting to say the least. But when you locate the place and microfilm which is in a box that you have asked for, 6476/77 you then place this box in the slot that says in use, go to your reader and load the film. Film loaded and Avoca parish register should have appeared but no it was Liscannor 2440 that appeared on the reel, so you ask what is wrong with this system well to begin with if you take a film out return it to its correct box and put back in its correct place, or do we have an archivist who is their wisdom monitors the reels assists you with the correct one and checks them back in, my own answer to that is yes, you are free to make up your own mind on that one. So yes I do now agree that you take the time to support Fiona and her course on her survey, but that is of course yet again your own choice. But all support that can be given, replaces a system back in a very important Library in our endeavours to do OUR own family research, because it feels to me like, Heritage Centers, Pro Reseachers, would be delighted with this daunting system now in place in the NLI Dublin As Collette has pointed out ( Dublin List) it will only take 10 minutes of your time, it may save you hours of grief eventually when trying to research your family in Ireland The link below will take you to the Survey:- http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/NationalLibraryofIrelandUserSurvey Cheers Cara

I am trying to trace the marriage c1855 of Michael O'NEILL and Mary LENNON. After their marriage they lived in Raheengraney, WIK.

HiIt would probably be worth your while purchasing Cornelius's baptism info from IFHF (€5) as that will (hopefully) give you at least his father's first name (and possibly his mother's too). The sponsors names, if given, are usually interesting as well. It will also give you info about where in Wicklow he was baptised. As you've been on the site already, you will note that there are many other Callaghans who might very well be siblings of Cornelius's, so you might consider purchasing them too. Good luck! Colette > From: jons.fh@btinternet.com > To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:26:37 +0100 > Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] CALLAGHAN of Co. Wicklow > > Hi everyone, > > For several years now I have been tracing my mother in law's family. In the 1851 England census, Cornelius and Frances CALLAHAN stated they were born in 1780 in Ireland, though nothing more specific than that. I didn't know about the IFHF website until a few days ago, and I decided to look to see if there were any birth/baptism indexes that weren't on other sites such as familysearch.org, both the old and new style sites. > > I was delighted to find the baptism index of a Cornelius CALLAGHAN at Co. Wicklow in 1781. does anyone have access to Co. Wicklow records that would be able to give me any further details, such as the actual date and parents or father's name please? > > Cornelius and Frances were married at St John's Hackney, London in 1803, her surname being indexed as HALLAH. I've not been able to trace a Frances HALLAH, but HALLAM seems to be quite a popular surname. Is anyone researching either of these surnames please? > > With sincerest thanks for any help, > > Jon > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone, For several years now I have been tracing my mother in law's family. In the 1851 England census, Cornelius and Frances CALLAHAN stated they were born in 1780 in Ireland, though nothing more specific than that. I didn't know about the IFHF website until a few days ago, and I decided to look to see if there were any birth/baptism indexes that weren't on other sites such as familysearch.org, both the old and new style sites. I was delighted to find the baptism index of a Cornelius CALLAGHAN at Co. Wicklow in 1781. does anyone have access to Co. Wicklow records that would be able to give me any further details, such as the actual date and parents or father's name please? Cornelius and Frances were married at St John's Hackney, London in 1803, her surname being indexed as HALLAH. I've not been able to trace a Frances HALLAH, but HALLAM seems to be quite a popular surname. Is anyone researching either of these surnames please? With sincerest thanks for any help, Jon

I put out a call on a few Irish lists for Ancestor photos to put in the IGP Archives this month. We got a few. If you have one or more to share (assuming you know the county) you can use our Photo uploader to add them. We are about preserving our ancestors faces as well as their names. http://www.genrecords.org/irfiles/photos.html Example: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/longford/photos.htm All the best...Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/