Me. Gail in Oklahoma ---- Cara <cara_links@bigpond.com> wrote: > Would appear you are here Paddy > > But one does wonder if its only us still here, is there anyone out there? > > Doing Wicklow research ? > > cara > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paddy > Sent: 01 November 2011 11:50 > To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] FUNNY EMAIL JUST RECEIVED, BEWARE > > I have just received a bad email to the list. Wow, promised me > satisfaction. > Obviously it invites you to open the email address, which I didn't > > but what I > did do was block all future mail from this person. However, I am > not sure if > I also blocked myself from the list forgetting that I may have > blocked the group > list together with the idiot who sent it. > So I guess this email is in the nature of a test to check if I am > still on the list > or have blocked myself being part of Irl Wicklow list. Toooo > complicated so > hope the test is positive and I haven't removed myself from all > incoming messages > coming from the IRL Wicklow group. > Sheez! not having a good day today. Maybe Samain got to me last > night. > Paddy > Bondi Sydney Aust. > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4587 - Release Date: 10/31/11 > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
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Attention: Collette O'Rorke Thank you for your response Collette. I am following up your information and have the marriage information of Michael Higgins and Margaret Walsh. Good luck to you to. Colin Whyte > Hi Colin At the IFHF (pay site) there are 7 baptisms for children born in > Wicklow with father Robert Bradford. They may or may not be "your" Robert. To > buy all of these baptisms together would cost you ?20. One of them may give > the mother's name. after which you could search the site for his marriage. At > the same site there are 3 baptisms between the years of 1816-1834 of children > in Blessington born to Michael Higgins & Mgt. Walsh. I couldn't find a > marriage for this couple. Robert Bradford & Michael Higgins are noted in > Griffiths Valuation > http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch. > Good luck! > > Colette
Attention: James Twycross Thank you for your response James and sorry for the delay in coming back to you. I have been participating in the Australian masters games - lawn bowls- no medals but some reasonable performances! I found the baptism details and Marriage records on http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie I have also stumbled on some burial information but I need to follow that up now to see the relevance to what we are researching. I have noted your information and will keep you informed of progress made. Good luck to you also re your research. Colin Whyte > > G'day Colin, > > I'm also searching for details about a Higgins family from Wicklow, my > wife's GG grandparents were Patrick Higgins and Janes Hughes from > Dunganstown, about four or five miles from the town of Wicklow. They had a > family of seven children as far as I can determine, they were Sarah, Thomas, > Mary Jane, Annie, Anthony Mark, James and Michael. In shipping documents > Patrick is described as a Farmer. I don't yet have any dates or exact > location other than the Parish of Kilbride, that seems to be their church > and a Rev. M. Moloney is listed as the R.C.Curate who would provide a > reference for the person nominated in the Sponsor records. Higgins seems to > be a name that pops up often in Wicklow but you have been lucky to establish > actual birth and marriage dates, how did you manage to find that > information. Blessington is some distance from Dunganstown, it's near the > Counties of Kildare and Dublin from what I can see in my maps. Apart from my > own research a descendant living in Perth has found numerous descendants > connected to our Higgins family all of whom seem to have migrated to NSW, > the first was Sarah arriving in Sydney in January 1873. Good luck with your > searches. >
Hi Listers... >From Joanmarylaw (I suspect was hacked) My anti virus caught it. If I can suggest something........ Go into your address/contact list and add a new contact. Call it AAAAAA and give it a contact address of _AAAAA@AAAAA_ (mailto:AAAAA@AAAAA) . As long as this new contact is the first address in your address/contact list,for some reason, a virus/bug can't get by the first email address and your contact list can't be hacked. Try it. It's worked for me. I've been virus free for about 15 years. This tip comes from the former "Typhoid Mary". :) Cheers, Peggy Leonard In a message dated 10/15/2011 3:58:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, irl-wicklow-request@rootsweb.com writes: Today's Topics: 1. (no subject) (joanmarylaw@aol.com) 2. D0 NOT OPEN (NO SUBJECT) EMAIL,IT IS A VIRUS. (Paddy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 05:08:20 -0400 (EDT) From: joanmarylaw@aol.com Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] (no subject) To: hudsons_ices@hotmail.com, incathompson@googlemail.com, Irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com, IRL-WICKLOW-L-@rootsweb.com, IRL-WICKLOW-L-request@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CE5867F414678E-1504-3CE1D@webmail-m004.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://casadecomenzibrasov.ro/admin/backups/best.php?html140 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:25:11 +1100 From: "Paddy" <salsbry2@bigpond.net.au> Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] D0 NOT OPEN (NO SUBJECT) EMAIL,IT IS A VIRUS. To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <2568ED585BC64F2F980D4AC4574F61F7@freddie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >From Joanmarylaw (I suspect was hacked) Hudsons, Incathomson, and IRl-wicklow-as above My anti virus caught it. ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-WICKLOW list administrator, send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-WICKLOW mailing list, send an email to IRL-WICKLOW@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-WICKLOW Digest, Vol 6, Issue 100 *******************************************
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G'day Colin, I'm also searching for details about a Higgins family from Wicklow, my wife's GG grandparents were Patrick Higgins and Janes Hughes from Dunganstown, about four or five miles from the town of Wicklow. They had a family of seven children as far as I can determine, they were Sarah, Thomas, Mary Jane, Annie, Anthony Mark, James and Michael. In shipping documents Patrick is described as a Farmer. I don't yet have any dates or exact location other than the Parish of Kilbride, that seems to be their church and a Rev. M. Moloney is listed as the R.C.Curate who would provide a reference for the person nominated in the Sponsor records. Higgins seems to be a name that pops up often in Wicklow but you have been lucky to establish actual birth and marriage dates, how did you manage to find that information. Blessington is some distance from Dunganstown, it's near the Counties of Kildare and Dublin from what I can see in my maps. Apart from my own research a descendant living in Perth has found numerous descendants connected to our Higgins family all of whom seem to have migrated to NSW, the first was Sarah arriving in Sydney in January 1873. Good luck with your searches. -----Original Message----- From: irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Colin Whyte Sent: 06 October 2011 19:55 To: IRL-WICKLOW@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Higgins After much research, I have found that my GGGrandfather Laurence Higgins was born on 5/2/1832 in Ballynatone, Blessington and married in Wicklow on 16/8/1854 to an Alicia Bradford born 25/5 1832 in Wicklow. On the record of marriage it shows Laurence¹s parents were Michael Higgins and Margaret Walsh. Alicia¹s father was a Robert Bradford. 1. Is any other subscriber researching these families? 2. Can anyone suggest how I might be able to find the births, deaths or marriages of Michael and Margaret as well as Robert Bradford? Any help would be appreciated. Colin Whyte from sunny South Australia. *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Colin At the IFHF (pay site) there are 7 baptisms for children born in Wicklow with father Robert Bradford. They may or may not be "your" Robert. To buy all of these baptisms together would cost you €20. One of them may give the mother's name. after which you could search the site for his marriage. At the same site there are 3 baptisms between the years of 1816-1834 of children in Blessington born to Michael Higgins & Mgt. Walsh. I couldn't find a marriage for this couple. Robert Bradford & Michael Higgins are noted in Griffiths Valuation http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch. Good luck! Colette > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:25:26 +1030 > From: whyteres@gmail.com > To: IRL-WICKLOW@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Higgins > > After much research, I have found that my GGGrandfather Laurence Higgins was > born on 5/2/1832 in Ballynatone, Blessington and married in Wicklow on > 16/8/1854 to an Alicia Bradford born 25/5 1832 in Wicklow. On the record of > marriage it shows Laurence¹s parents were Michael Higgins and Margaret > Walsh. Alicia¹s father was a Robert Bradford. > 1. Is any other subscriber researching these families? > 2. Can anyone suggest how I might be able to find the births, deaths or > marriages of Michael and Margaret as well as Robert Bradford? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Colin Whyte from sunny South Australia. > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
After much research, I have found that my GGGrandfather Laurence Higgins was born on 5/2/1832 in Ballynatone, Blessington and married in Wicklow on 16/8/1854 to an Alicia Bradford born 25/5 1832 in Wicklow. On the record of marriage it shows Laurence¹s parents were Michael Higgins and Margaret Walsh. Alicia¹s father was a Robert Bradford. 1. Is any other subscriber researching these families? 2. Can anyone suggest how I might be able to find the births, deaths or marriages of Michael and Margaret as well as Robert Bradford? Any help would be appreciated. Colin Whyte from sunny South Australia.
We have added this file to the IGP Archives. Thanks go to Frank Kehoe for sharing these. To view go to: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ Click on WICKLOW and then Church Records. Regards, Christina ===============================
FRANK, I would love to have the list of Wicklow Methodist Baptisms 1820 Interested in the Hopkins and Edge Thanks very much for the offer, Joan Hopkins -----Original Message----- From: irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Frank Kehoe Sent: September-16-11 6:20 AM To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Methodist Baptisms, Wicklow 1820 - 1842 correction Sloator should be SLATOR -----Original Message----- From: Frank Kehoe Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 2:14 PM To: Cara_Links ; irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Methodist Baptisms, Wicklow 1820 - 1842 On a recent visit to the Public Records Office of Northern Ireland in Belfast I searched a film (MIC 429) which contains 32 baptisms performed on the "Wicklow Circuit", none related to my searches but I copied them all as I thought they could be of interest to the List. Names: HOPKINS (3) KEEGAN GOWAN (6) SLOATOR FRANKLIN (4) WIGGINS LEESON HADDEN EDGE WARREN (7) WEIR (2) DOWNING SMITH I have put them on a Word.doc and can sent to anyone interested. Regards, Frank *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
correction Sloator should be SLATOR -----Original Message----- From: Frank Kehoe Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 2:14 PM To: Cara_Links ; irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Methodist Baptisms, Wicklow 1820 - 1842 On a recent visit to the Public Records Office of Northern Ireland in Belfast I searched a film (MIC 429) which contains 32 baptisms performed on the "Wicklow Circuit", none related to my searches but I copied them all as I thought they could be of interest to the List. Names: HOPKINS (3) KEEGAN GOWAN (6) SLOATOR FRANKLIN (4) WIGGINS LEESON HADDEN EDGE WARREN (7) WEIR (2) DOWNING SMITH I have put them on a Word.doc and can sent to anyone interested. Regards, Frank *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On a recent visit to the Public Records Office of Northern Ireland in Belfast I searched a film (MIC 429) which contains 32 baptisms performed on the "Wicklow Circuit", none related to my searches but I copied them all as I thought they could be of interest to the List. Names: HOPKINS (3) KEEGAN GOWAN (6) SLOATOR FRANKLIN (4) WIGGINS LEESON HADDEN EDGE WARREN (7) WEIR (2) DOWNING SMITH I have put them on a Word.doc and can sent to anyone interested. Regards, Frank
Vicki I assume you are referring to the 22 Sep 1858 marriage at Powerscourt (Monastery is next to Powercourt & Enniskerry) of Alicia Young, daughter of Thomas Young, to John Willoughby son of John Willoughby (both single). I think my first reply answered your original question! Regards, Frank -----Original Message----- From: Vicki Harding Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 6:16 AM To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Dublin Will and Grant Books Index 1270-1858 Hi Frank Thank you for this. Unfortunately this is not my Alicia Young. I am looking for the one who was residing in Monastery Wicklow and also had a father of Thomas but married a John Willoughby in 1858. Regards Vicki ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Kehoe" <f784@btinternet.com> To: <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Dublin Will and Grant Books Index 1270-1858 > 29 Aug 1851 —St Mary, Church of Ireland, Dublin. Thomas Young, Gent., of > 15 > Henry St., son of Henry Young married Alicia Young, of 1 Richmond Street, > daughter of Thomas Young. Witnesses; John Edwaerd Mayne Young & Geo Read > > http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/87bde60905447 > > for image > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vicki Harding > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 5:15 AM > To: IRL-WICKLOW@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Dublin Will and Grant Books Index 1270-1858 > > Hello > > > I have found, on Irish Origins, an entry for a Young Alicia and Thomas > Young > 1851 is the year and M.L. (Marriage LIcence) is the Nature of Record > > What I am trying to solve is this the names of the couple who were married > or the names of the parents or are they somehow else involved. > > Hoping for the light to be turned on at the end of the tunel. > > Regards Vicki > New Zealand > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Frank Thank you for this. Unfortunately this is not my Alicia Young. I am looking for the one who was residing in Monastery Wicklow and also had a father of Thomas but married a John Willoughby in 1858. Regards Vicki ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Kehoe" <f784@btinternet.com> To: <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Dublin Will and Grant Books Index 1270-1858 > 29 Aug 1851 —St Mary, Church of Ireland, Dublin. Thomas Young, Gent., of > 15 > Henry St., son of Henry Young married Alicia Young, of 1 Richmond Street, > daughter of Thomas Young. Witnesses; John Edwaerd Mayne Young & Geo Read > > http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/87bde60905447 > > for image > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vicki Harding > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 5:15 AM > To: IRL-WICKLOW@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Dublin Will and Grant Books Index 1270-1858 > > Hello > > > I have found, on Irish Origins, an entry for a Young Alicia and Thomas > Young > 1851 is the year and M.L. (Marriage LIcence) is the Nature of Record > > What I am trying to solve is this the names of the couple who were married > or the names of the parents or are they somehow else involved. > > Hoping for the light to be turned on at the end of the tunel. > > Regards Vicki > New Zealand > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Ré: Tábhacht na Gaeilge i dTaighde Ginealais Re: Importance of the Irish Language in Genealogical Research A chairde, Scríobh mé alt gearr le déanaí ar an ábhar seo. Is féidir é a fháil ag: / I wrote a short article on this subject lately. You can find it at: http://www.irishtribes.com/article-importance-of-irish-language.html Relatedly, The Philo-Celtic Societys new semester of free, online Irish Language courses is beginning now at <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/philo-celticsociety/> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/philo-celticsociety/ . To join, go there and click on Join This Group. Youll then automatically get a full course listing by email with links to the free courses. Go raibh sé sin cabhrach. / Hope thats helpful. Le gach dea-ghuí / Best, Gearóid / Jerry
It's about fifty-five years since I was addressed as "Phroinsias" and made me feel good and strange at the same time, as it was to see the use of Irish on this List. So I thought I would add one observation in return re. researching. The "Mac" prefix to surnames has been debated here before but I don't recall it being mentioned that in Gaelic it refers to the male! As I am equally interested in maternal lines I would point to the use of the "Nic" prefix to signify the female. Regards, Frank -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Kelly Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 5:08 PM To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] (no subject) Go raibh maith agat, a Phroinsias. / Thank you, Frank. Le gach dea-ghuí / Best, Jerry Treibheanna Éireannach awww.irishtribes.com
Go raibh maith agat, a Phroinsias. Is fíor duit go deimhin. / Thank you, Frank. Absolutely right. As you point out, women in Irish-speaking districts to this day keep their maiden name and add the title 'wife of X'. [I like to kid that fathers-in-law insist that this title is actually 'wife of that amadán X' ;-) ] So, as you point out, we use Mac (son) for boys and Nic (daughter) for girls in the case of Mac surnames like yours - Mac Eochadha for boys and Nic Eochadha for girls. And we use Ó (grandson) for boys and Ní (grand-daughter) for girls in the case of Ó surnames like mine. My daughter is a Ní Cheallaigh / Grand-daughter of Ceallach and my son is an Ó Ceallaigh / Grandson of Ceallach. That's why we still see here in the U.S. phrases like "Nee Kelly" in newspaper wedding announcements. It looks like the French née but it's pronounced as the Irish Ní. Also as you point out, this careful treatment of women's names is found throughout the Irish Language genealogies right back to the taking of surnames about a thousand years ago. Buíochas le Dia go bhful ár dteanga ag teacht ar ais ionas gur féidir linn ár Seanchas a léamh go furasta arís. / Thanks be that our language is coming back so that we can again easily read our own family histories. Le gach dea-ghuí / Best, Jerry Treibheanna Éireannacha www.irishtribes.com --- On Tue, 8/23/11, Frank Kehoe <f784@btinternet.com> wrote: > From: Frank Kehoe <f784@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] (no subject) a titbit > To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 5:26 AM > It's about fifty-five years since I > was addressed as "Phroinsias" and made > me feel good and strange at the same time, as it was to see > the use of Irish > on this List. > So I thought I would add one observation in return re. > researching. > The "Mac" prefix to surnames has been debated here before > but I don't recall > it being mentioned that in Gaelic it refers to the male! As > I am equally > interested in maternal lines I would point to the use of > the "Nic" prefix > to signify the female. > Regards, > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Kelly > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 5:08 PM > To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] (no subject) > > Go raibh maith agat, a Phroinsias. / Thank you, > Frank. > > Le gach dea-ghuí / Best, > Jerry > > > Treibheanna Éireannach > awww.irishtribes.com > > > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to > your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own > Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >
Hello I have found, on Irish Origins, an entry for a Young Alicia and Thomas Young 1851 is the year and M.L. (Marriage LIcence) is the Nature of Record What I am trying to solve is this the names of the couple who were married or the names of the parents or are they somehow else involved. Hoping for the light to be turned on at the end of the tunel. Regards Vicki New Zealand