Gosh, Cara, I think my mother must have had that joke in mind when I asked her years ago where her family had come from. According to her, her mother had a German background (in reality, as English as they come), and her father's parents from Ireland. Not quite - his father was Dalmation (Dalmatia = Austria = German??), his mother the daughter of first-cousins from Tipperary. But I've had a lot of fun sorting out the descendents of the Monkeys and Adam & Eve. Thanks for sharing Barbara Hey, hey, I'm a Monkee

Cara, All lies, all lies........well mostly anyway Paddy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara" <cara_links@bigpond.com> To: <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] OFF TOPIC BUT ON TOPIC BUT GOOD ENOUGH TO SHARE >A little girl asked her father, "How did the human race start?" > The father answered, > "God made Adam and Eve and they had children, and so all mankind was > made." > > Two days later the girl asked her mother the same question. The mother > answered, > "Many years ago there were monkeys from which the human race evolved > > The confused girl returned to her father and said, "Dad, how is it > possible > that you told me the human race was created by God, > > and Mom said they developed from monkeys?" > The father answered, > "Well, dear, it is very simple. > I told you about my side of the family and your mother told you about > hers." > > > > I felt the need to share this > > > > Hope everyone had a beautiful Easter > > > > > > Cara > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4947 - Release Date: 04/19/12 > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4947 - Release Date: 04/19/12

A little girl asked her father, "How did the human race start?" The father answered, "God made Adam and Eve and they had children, and so all mankind was made." Two days later the girl asked her mother the same question. The mother answered, "Many years ago there were monkeys from which the human race evolved The confused girl returned to her father and said, "Dad, how is it possible that you told me the human race was created by God, and Mom said they developed from monkeys?" The father answered, "Well, dear, it is very simple. I told you about my side of the family and your mother told you about hers." I felt the need to share this Hope everyone had a beautiful Easter Cara

too funny!! m Mary Villalba SS United States Conservancy Secretary, Board of Directors (303) 290-8415 Tele P. O. Box 6569 Denver, CO 80206 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Cara" <cara_links@bigpond.com> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:24 PM To: <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com> Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] OFF TOPIC BUT ON TOPIC BUT GOOD ENOUGH TO SHARE > A little girl asked her father, "How did the human race start?" > The father answered, > "God made Adam and Eve and they had children, and so all mankind was > made." > > Two days later the girl asked her mother the same question. The mother > answered, > "Many years ago there were monkeys from which the human race evolved > > The confused girl returned to her father and said, "Dad, how is it > possible > that you told me the human race was created by God, > > and Mom said they developed from monkeys?" > The father answered, > "Well, dear, it is very simple. > I told you about my side of the family and your mother told you about > hers." > > > > I felt the need to share this > > > > Hope everyone had a beautiful Easter > > > > > > Cara > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John Hagan married Bridget Molds 5/2/1839 at Rathdrum Witnesses were John Molds and John Neil Cheers Cara

I have a family of Moulds with various spellings from Newbawn which is a Thomas Marrying an Elizabewth Redcross Children Thomas 1842 Sarah 1845 Thomas 1845 Do you want them? Cara -----Original Message----- From: irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter McCaffery Sent: 16 April 2012 02:31 To: IRL-WICKLOW@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] MOULDS/MOULS/MOLDS/MOULES Hello listers, I'm looking for children born to James MOULDS (b.1801) and his wife Elizabeth nee MURPHY. The couple were married in 1834 in the RC church in Rathdrum. Their townland was Mucklagh/Mucklow. There are two townlands with that name, but the one in the barony of Ballinacor is probably theirs. The children traced so far are Ann, who was baptised in 1836, and Elizabeth, who was baptised in 1845, in Rathdrum. The sponsors at Elizabeth's baptism in 1845 were Luke PLATT and Catherine BYRNE. James's surname is spelt MOULS, MOLDS and MOULES on his baptismal, marriage and death certificates respectively. James's parents, from Ballinglen, were William MOULS and Margaret nee MAGEE, and he was baptised in the R.C. parish of Killaveney. By 1866 James and his daughter Elizabeth had emigrated to England (Wigton, Cumbria). Any help gratefully received. Peter McCaffery *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4938 - Release Date: 04/15/12

Is your elizabeth murphy a rlative to richard o'donoghue his wife was mary james richard and his wife mary james lived in coolross wicklow ireland. Look fwd to your reply. Margaret enright burlington ont. Canada Sent from my BlackBerry® phone powered by Koodo Mobile®. -----Original Message----- From: Peter McCaffery <peter@mccafferys.ndo.co.uk> Sender: irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:31:21 To: <IRL-WICKLOW@rootsweb.com> Reply-to: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] MOULDS/MOULS/MOLDS/MOULES Hello listers, I'm looking for children born to James MOULDS (b.1801) and his wife Elizabeth nee MURPHY. The couple were married in 1834 in the RC church in Rathdrum. Their townland was Mucklagh/Mucklow. There are two townlands with that name, but the one in the barony of Ballinacor is probably theirs. The children traced so far are Ann, who was baptised in 1836, and Elizabeth, who was baptised in 1845, in Rathdrum. The sponsors at Elizabeth's baptism in 1845 were Luke PLATT and Catherine BYRNE. James's surname is spelt MOULS, MOLDS and MOULES on his baptismal, marriage and death certificates respectively. James's parents, from Ballinglen, were William MOULS and Margaret nee MAGEE, and he was baptised in the R.C. parish of Killaveney. By 1866 James and his daughter Elizabeth had emigrated to England (Wigton, Cumbria). Any help gratefully received. Peter McCaffery *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello listers, I'm looking for children born to James MOULDS (b.1801) and his wife Elizabeth nee MURPHY. The couple were married in 1834 in the RC church in Rathdrum. Their townland was Mucklagh/Mucklow. There are two townlands with that name, but the one in the barony of Ballinacor is probably theirs. The children traced so far are Ann, who was baptised in 1836, and Elizabeth, who was baptised in 1845, in Rathdrum. The sponsors at Elizabeth's baptism in 1845 were Luke PLATT and Catherine BYRNE. James's surname is spelt MOULS, MOLDS and MOULES on his baptismal, marriage and death certificates respectively. James's parents, from Ballinglen, were William MOULS and Margaret nee MAGEE, and he was baptised in the R.C. parish of Killaveney. By 1866 James and his daughter Elizabeth had emigrated to England (Wigton, Cumbria). Any help gratefully received. Peter McCaffery

Hi Carol and listers. Yes I gave in to my 'good argument' (don't drink, don't smoke etc etc so why not?) and took a sub to the new sFMP site. I have found some good information there, not just in the prison/court records so am quite happy with it so far. I suspect they will add records as they acquire them, although it is a pity that so many records in Ireland are now on pay sites. The government is to be commended on supporting both the irishgenealogy.ie site and the census access through the National Archives - I suspect the situation regarding pay sites will not change until more Irish people get involved in genealogy research and realise just what is being charged for. Anyway, not regretting my sub to FMP at this stage. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand On 12/04/2012 5:09 a.m., Carol Griffiths wrote: > Hi all, > > I think I've just woken up with a start after being very quiet for a long time! > > Has anyone used find my past site lately, I'm getting VERY excited at the prison and court records they now have. > > Patrick Niles a defendant at Arklow petty sessions order books 31. 5.1866 has got me going. Who is he? > > I'm hoping someone can tell me what extra info they've got when paying, I ask as there's a few other records I wouldn't mind a look at and am going to have to justify the cost to myself, I'm formulating a good argument already :) > > Carol >

Hi all, I think I've just woken up with a start after being very quiet for a long time! Has anyone used find my past site lately, I'm getting VERY excited at the prison and court records they now have. Patrick Niles a defendant at Arklow petty sessions order books 31. 5.1866 has got me going. Who is he? I'm hoping someone can tell me what extra info they've got when paying, I ask as there's a few other records I wouldn't mind a look at and am going to have to justify the cost to myself, I'm formulating a good argument already :) Carol

We will not advocate a boycott on this list thankyou, this is the Wicklow list and we do not get involved in these kind of things on the list. Off the list is fine, but not on list. Cara

As I said, I don't really want to go into my long-running rant about IFHF, but it's no better if you visit in person. I did just that some years ago and, although the transcriptions were lined up around the room, we were not permitted to look at them but advised to go the nearest library or internet cafe and use the research enquiry form. Well, you can do that from home without the expense of travelling half way round the globe!! And of course the charge was the same, quite exorbitant in my view given that they apparently keep your money whether or not they find anything, Also, as researchers we know that no one searches your topic as thoroughly as you do yourself - astonishing that there is no facility to 'do it yourself' when actually there on the spot - most of us would pay a small fee to do that anyway - this is gatekeeping of the worst possible kind. There are legions of stories on these lists from disappointed researchers and their experiences with IFHF. I am pretty appalled that they can get away with this behaviour really and wish the Irish people/government would get into action and sort something better out. Enough of that - this is the sort of brick wall we just don't need. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand n 11/04/2012 9:41 a.m., Annie Massey wrote: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:01 AM,<irl-wicklow-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. New charges for the IFHF (Karen Dickson) >> 2. Re: New charges for the IFHF (D& B Johns) >> 3. Re: New charges for the IFHF (Patricia O'Shea) >> >> >> I have always had a problem with IFHF because they don't provide any >> images. For what they charge, you'd expect to get a lot more for your >> money. >>

Fair enough, Sharon Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ On 10/04/2012 6:13 PM, Cara wrote: > We will not advocate a boycott on this list thankyou, this is the Wicklow > list and we do not get involved in these kind of things on the list. > > Off the list is fine, but not on list. > > Cara > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:01 AM, <irl-wicklow-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. New charges for the IFHF (Karen Dickson) > 2. Re: New charges for the IFHF (D & B Johns) > 3. Re: New charges for the IFHF (Patricia O'Shea) > > > I have always had a problem with IFHF because they don't provide any > images. For what they charge, you'd expect to get a lot more for your > money. > Annie

IFHF have always been expensive in relation to other similar sites, especially given that a great deal of their transcribing has been done using public money (I won't go into my usual rant on that!). I found their latest email information on the credit system extremely convoluted and confusing - a shame as I think this may be an improvement on their previous charging methods. They could learn a lot (and I wish they would) from sites such as Scotland's People which also uses a credits system but seems much more user-friendly. For example, once you have paid for and viewed an image it is saved permanently for you and you don't have to pay again (IFHF is planning to save for 24 months) - you can also re-activate expired credits when you purchase more, so they don't go to waste. Searches are also saved so you can see what you searched for previously and don't waste time on duplicating if you have forgotten your earlier activity. I'm hoping for more improvements from IFHF but am not holding my breath - it may be that they are feeling pressure from Irish people who have come recently to research and just realised what sort of charging is/has been going on. Also the new government funded site irishgenealogy.ie is proving popular and is free, so although it does not cover all the territory of IFHF it is clearly a competing factor. We can but hope for further progress. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand On 10/04/2012 12:44 p.m., Karen Dickson wrote: > Hello List Members, > > Is anyone else disappointed that the IFHF are now charging to view search results as well as the actual transcriptions? I sent them an email complaining about the new charges and received the following response. In the example they have sent it all sounds perfectly reasonable but what happens when you don’t know both parents names and can’t narrow your search results down? I don’t think I will be purchasing any credits – it just seems too expensive an option now. Here is the response they sent me – <snip>

I think the problem is that often you don't know how many credits you are going to need. I found buying credits with find my past that I had some left over which just expired in the short time I had access. I also found that the credits used up very quickly and having to purchase more. The reality with common names and not exact details which is why you will be searching it is sort of diving into the unknown. If you want to look at all possibility not just jump on the first you find it could be expensive. Bev Johns -----Original Message----- From: irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Dickson Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2012 10:44 AM To: Wicklow Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] New charges for the IFHF Hello List Members, Is anyone else disappointed that the IFHF are now charging to view search results as well as the actual transcriptions? I sent them an email complaining about the new charges and received the following response. In the example they have sent it all sounds perfectly reasonable but what happens when you don’t know both parents names and can’t narrow your search results down? I don’t think I will be purchasing any credits – it just seems too expensive an option now. Here is the response they sent me – “Thanks for your feedback on the new credit system. Any single search of the index will cost 1 credit to view a page of 10 search results. (One credit = 00.10 cent). To view the results of any single search up to a maximum of 10 results per page will cost 1 credit. Any single record will cost 25 Credits . By bulk buying credits you can avail of significant savings. Please see the bulk purchase options listed below. The idea behind the bulk buy options is to give people various price points to buy records. Under the 750 credits option it will cost 2.00 EURO to view the details of a record. Amount to purchase: €5.00 - (35 Credits) €10.00 - (73 Credits) - Bulk Saving €18.00 - (150 Credits) - Bulk Saving €32.00 - (320 Credits) - Bulk Saving €60.00 - (750 Credits) - Bulk Saving All prices quoted are in Euro (€). All users can view ten pages of search results free under the new system. After that users will need to pay to view search results. You can refine your search so that you get less matches before paying to view search results (1 page of results up to a max of 10 index records will cost 10 cent (EURO) to view.) You can refine your search as much as you like and as many times as you like before you need to pay to view any results. For example a search on our site for Patrick Murphy baptisms between 1845-1855 locates 636 matches. Without further information there is no way to narrow this search. There is no charge for this search. If you enter a father's name as John, you will be told there are 102 matches - still too many. If you enter a mother's first name of Mary you will get 22 matches. If you select a particular county of origin, say Co. Galway, you get one match. You can do all this without any charge. Based on the example Patrick Murphy we have refined the search using the most common first names and looked in a mid nineteenth century timeframe when most parishes were keeping records. Yours sincerely Customer Support Team www.rootsireland.ie *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List Members, Is anyone else disappointed that the IFHF are now charging to view search results as well as the actual transcriptions? I sent them an email complaining about the new charges and received the following response. In the example they have sent it all sounds perfectly reasonable but what happens when you don’t know both parents names and can’t narrow your search results down? I don’t think I will be purchasing any credits – it just seems too expensive an option now. Here is the response they sent me – “Thanks for your feedback on the new credit system. Any single search of the index will cost 1 credit to view a page of 10 search results. (One credit = 00.10 cent). To view the results of any single search up to a maximum of 10 results per page will cost 1 credit. Any single record will cost 25 Credits . By bulk buying credits you can avail of significant savings. Please see the bulk purchase options listed below. The idea behind the bulk buy options is to give people various price points to buy records. Under the 750 credits option it will cost 2.00 EURO to view the details of a record. Amount to purchase: €5.00 - (35 Credits) €10.00 - (73 Credits) - Bulk Saving €18.00 - (150 Credits) - Bulk Saving €32.00 - (320 Credits) - Bulk Saving €60.00 - (750 Credits) - Bulk Saving All prices quoted are in Euro (€). All users can view ten pages of search results free under the new system. After that users will need to pay to view search results. You can refine your search so that you get less matches before paying to view search results (1 page of results up to a max of 10 index records will cost 10 cent (EURO) to view.) You can refine your search as much as you like and as many times as you like before you need to pay to view any results. For example a search on our site for Patrick Murphy baptisms between 1845-1855 locates 636 matches. Without further information there is no way to narrow this search. There is no charge for this search. If you enter a father's name as John, you will be told there are 102 matches - still too many. If you enter a mother's first name of Mary you will get 22 matches. If you select a particular county of origin, say Co. Galway, you get one match. You can do all this without any charge. Based on the example Patrick Murphy we have refined the search using the most common first names and looked in a mid nineteenth century timeframe when most parishes were keeping records. Yours sincerely Customer Support Team www.rootsireland.ie

Since "boycott" is a good Irish word (SEE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott ), I am planning to boycott them myself. I don't mind paying for results, but be darned if I am going to pay for just looking at what might be there and finding nothing. That's just my opinion. Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/

I had suggested to them awhile ago that they should expand their search criteria.  One suggestion I made was to be able to search for a particular last name in a parish...Without first names.....I got a similar response that included a statement saying that I could always commisson a search.  I think they want to make as much money as possible on the searches.  It is ridiculous to have to pay to see an index.....particulary when the search criteria isn't as efficient as it could be....   Sara C. in sunny Massachusetts...   ________________________________ From: Karen Dickson <kdickson@iprimus.com.au> To: Wicklow <IRL-WICKLOW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 8:44 PM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] New charges for the IFHF Hello List Members, Is anyone else disappointed that the IFHF are now charging to view search results as well as the actual transcriptions?  I sent them an email complaining about the new charges and received the following response.  In the example they have sent it all sounds perfectly reasonable but what happens when you don’t know both parents names and can’t narrow your search results down?  I don’t think I will be purchasing any credits – it just seems too expensive an option now.  Here is the response they sent me – “Thanks for your feedback on the new credit system. Any single search of the index will cost 1 credit to view a page of 10 search results. (One credit = 00.10 cent). To view the results of any single search up to a maximum of 10 results per page will cost 1 credit. Any single record will cost 25 Credits . By bulk buying credits you can avail of significant savings. Please see the bulk purchase options listed below. The idea behind the bulk buy options is to give people various price points to buy records. Under the 750 credits option it will cost 2.00 EURO to view the details of a record. Amount to purchase: €5.00 - (35 Credits) €10.00 - (73 Credits) - Bulk Saving €18.00 - (150 Credits) - Bulk Saving €32.00 - (320 Credits) - Bulk Saving €60.00 - (750 Credits) - Bulk Saving All prices quoted are in Euro (€). All users can view ten pages of search results free under the new system. After that users will need to pay to view search results. You can refine your search so that you get less matches before paying to view search results (1 page of results up to a max of 10 index records will cost 10 cent (EURO) to view.) You can refine your search as much as you like and as many times as you like before you need to pay to view any results. For example a search on our site for Patrick Murphy baptisms between 1845-1855 locates 636 matches. Without further information there is no way to narrow this search. There is no charge for this search. If you enter a father's name as John, you will be told there are 102 matches - still too many. If you enter a mother's first name of Mary you will get 22 matches. If you select a particular county of origin, say Co. Galway, you get one match. You can do all this without any charge. Based on the example Patrick Murphy we have refined the search using the most common first names and looked in a mid nineteenth century timeframe when most parishes were keeping records. Yours sincerely Customer Support Team www.rootsireland.ie *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just posted dozens of pages of new material relating to JACKSONs of Kings Co., Ireland, some of whom were Scotch-Irish, many of whom emigrated to America. This material ties into several known lines of JACKSONs. I have also posted two new family trees of JACKSONs as part of this work. For those who only like the raw data, not the stories that go with it, the links to all this work are at the bottom of a piece that I just posted on my blog. SEE: http:sharonoddiebrown.blogspot.ca/2012/04/jacksons-of-grange-kings-county-ireland.html <http://sharonoddiebrown.blogspot.ca/2012/04/jacksons-of-grange-kings-county-ireland.html> This material is also of interest to anyone researching Jacksons in Westmorland, Yorkshire, or in counties surrounding Kings Co. Since there are also hundreds of other names of people connected to Jacksons whether through marriage or leases, there may be useful bits there as well for others. A site search of my website will flush them out for you. As always, if you spot errors, or if have more to add, please let me know. I do my best to follow up within a few days. Sharon Oddie Brown. PS Apologies to the admin - I inadvertently sent it at first from my old email address. -- Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/