Happy birthday list Mommy! As one who give so much time to others, make sure that you take some time off for yourself on your birthday. The list can wait until after your birthday. Have some good Irish whiskey or a Guiness (or both)! Grace

Happy Birthday, Cara! (a bit early - will be on the road Tuesday) Hope you have a fun celebration! Stephanie in California

Wicklow Church of Ireland Wicklow Town Co Wicklow Ireland 1-ELLIS To the memory of Henrietta Olivia Amelia Catherine The dearly beloved child of David and Mary Ellis who departed this life the 10thDay of August 1845 aged 11 months 2-ELLIS Here lieth the body of Martha Ellis deceased April 2nd 1760 aged 52 years. 3-ELLIS Here Lieth the body of William Ellis Deceased April 2nd 1747 aged 16 years. ENNISBOYNE -THREE MILE WATERS - Descendants of William Ellis Generation No. 1 1. WILLIAM1 ELLIS died 24 April 1852 in Kilpoole( Aged 52 Years). He married MARY ANNE ?. She died i Aged 36 Years. Notes for WILLIAM ELLIS: Attached to this family are these people but as yet I dont know where they belong except they are in the grave with the others. James Charles Comerford of Ardavon Rathdrum died 3rd October 1907 aged 65 years, and his wife Eva mary Comerford (nee) Esmonde died 3rd september 1949 inher 88th Year at St Nessans Sandy? Road More About WILLIAM ELLIS: Burial: Ennisboyne Co.Wicklow Ireland More About MARY ANNE ?: Burial: Ennisboyne Co.Wicklow Ireland Children of WILLIAM ELLIS and MARY ? are: i. MALE2 ELLIS, d. In infancy. ii. MALE ELLIS, d. In infancy. iii. MALE ELLIS, d. In infancy. iv. MALE ELLIS, d. In infancy. v. ALEXANDER W ELLIS, b. Abt. 1845; d. 24 April 1887, Aged 42 Years. More About ALEXANDER W ELLIS: Burial: Ennisboyne Co.Wicklow Ireland Sorry this has been cross posted. Cara

This family is buried in the churchyard of Dunganstown Church of Ireland and names of these people that have crossed my files are 20th July 1867 Thomas Leslie (Widower) 60 Servant married Sarah Malone (nee Flynn) 60 Grooms father Arthur LeslieLabourer Brides father Mr Flynn Labourer Witnessed by James Reilly and Jane McGurk Henry Terence Lancelot was born on 10/6/1941 and baptised on 19/7/1942 parenst you know of course and his father was listed as a gentleman of Magerymore Burials I have at Dunganstown are Anne Leslie of Cullen /27 March 1862 aged 40 years wife of Thomas Leslie died 25/3/1862 Thomas Leslie of Sheephill 24/12/1868 died aged 67 years and death date is 26/8/1868 Francis Ellis of Seapark aged 23 but no date noted for burial Robert Francis Ellis of Seapark 16/1/1899 aged 89 years I also have photos of Leslie Ellis grave at Dunganstown The Ellis name I have more on shows that these brothers did not come from the area of Dunganstown .........as those above and I cannot find a link to link them to the brothers. Cheers Cara And could we stick to the front of the list on this ELLIS _LESLIE and HAWKINS research as there are a few listers seeking similar names none more so than myself , > LESLIE-ELLIS who lived at Magherymore near Wicklow until 1956. His > grandparents were John Lancelot Leslie-Ellis, 1902-1961 and Joyce Hilda > HAWKINS, 1906-1987. Prior to 1850s the surname was just ELLIS, so I'm > interested in this surname too. > > I look forward to hearing from anyone with similar interests. > > Best wishes > Kate Burhouse > Exmouth, Devon > Also seeking my RANNcestors! > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > Have you put something down the list lately that would make someones day, > like a link to a good site, a headstone, a snip of information, you found > but didnt need? > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

To whoever this birthday message applies, best wishes from me as well, the clues are there I suppose, List Mummy, Devil Lady's daughters, bus pass plus a couple, Southern Ocean underwater beauty, daughter's initials ATM, 4x4 go anywhere type of person. Happy Birthday. P.S. I lied about the bus pass plus two !!

Hi All. I have put a List Of Wicklow, Ireland Noblemen, in 1746 on line on Ancestors at Rest. If you want to see it just go to http://www.ancestorsatrest.com/england.shtml I hope this post is of help. Brian. __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Hi all, Will unsubscribe for now. Be back when I have something a little more concrete to go on. Thanks for your efforts. Cheers, Sharon

Dear Mummy, We know we will get it when you read this mail, but aw www shucks we dont often get the chance, to let the world know it will your birthday come the 13th of this month. So we are making every, word we put here count, as we realise you will, be looking for us three with a vengeance, as soon as you see this arrive down your Wicklow list. I hope that everyone here appreciates our mummy, she loves the people on this list so much, we at times feel we have to stand in line to be noticed. So this year, we have decided, to surprise her by dropping down her list and saying Happy Birthday mummy for Tuesday, your loving daughters Mandy Lee, Trudy Gail, and Anne Marree and a hug from all those beautiful grand children. We got to get out of here now, the look out has warned us that she is approaching in her 4xwd, and will appear here in about four minutes, so thankyou all for letting us do this the Devilsdaughters123 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Dear Everyone I've been listening in for just over a week now and found the thread on styles of research very interesting. Whatever your view, there is no doubt that the Internet has made contacts between researchers of similar interests very much easier and that is what I most enjoy. It is so exciting to find that someone else has been researching exactly the same people and so wonderful to compare notes and ideas. So, I am hoping that someone will be reading this, with raised heart rate, because they too have links with the surnames listed above. The research that has bought me to this list is into my husband's family, LESLIE-ELLIS who lived at Magherymore near Wicklow until 1956. His grandparents were John Lancelot Leslie-Ellis, 1902-1961 and Joyce Hilda HAWKINS, 1906-1987. Prior to 1850s the surname was just ELLIS, so I'm interested in this surname too. I look forward to hearing from anyone with similar interests. Best wishes Kate Burhouse Exmouth, Devon Also seeking my RANNcestors!

Dear Sharon I had to look up Family History Library Catalog I found that it for citizens of Northern Ireland Old Age Pension claims, 1908-1922, from 1841/1851 Census abstracts and miscellaneous sources Authors Northern Ireland. Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (Belfast) (Main Author) The 1841 and 1851 censuses of Ireland were nearly all destroyed in the fire at the Public Record Office, Dublin, in 1922. This book was compiled from Old Age Pension records of the early 1900s. (When a person applied for a pension, proof of age was taken from the 1841 & 1851 census records.) Notes Microfilm of original records in the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland, Belfast. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Contains duplicate 1841 or 1851 census records for those who applied for government pensions in the early 1900's. They are arranged by counties, and then by baronies within counties. A few applications include letters and/or documents verifying the age of the applicant. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- PRONI record nos.: T550/1-37 Subjects Ireland - Pensions Ireland - Census Format Manuscript (On Film) Language English Publication Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1959-1977 Physical 48 microfilm reels ; 35 mm. Index / Janet Beresford Brooks FHL BRITISH Library Attendants' Window 6344865 From Vol. 1 Armagh, Antrim, Londonderry, Fermanagh, with a few records from other counties FHL BRITISH Film to 258525 - Vol. 34 Tyrone, summaries, mixed baronies Vol. 35 Mixed counties & baronies of the Irish Free State (now the Republic of Ireland) FHL BRITISH Film 993105 Vol. 36 (cont.) Mixed counties & baronies FHL BRITISH Film 993106 Vol. 37 Donegal, mixed baronies FHL BRITISH Film 993107 Vol. 37 (cont.) Donegal, mixed baronies FHL BRITISH Film 993108 Visit my homepage http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/djgriff/

"I just received this from someone and even though I enjoy books AND the internet, I thought I would attempt to add some humor today !! Cece" _http://www.shibumi.org/EotI/_ (http://www.shibumi.org/EotI/) This really is the saddest news There's nowhere left to air my views. What a tragic end to all things cyber I'm made redundant, an unsubscriber. My Internet world at the end of its tether Our Cyber friends no longer together, We are cast asunder, put out to grass With little to do and time to pass. I find time to reflect on life before When going out just wasn't a chore. With weekend raves and clubbing nightly But that all went and quite rightly When Gates opened up to a wider world And the global curtain finally furled Distance and time now surplus factors As we became the faceless actors On the greatest stage in myth or history Imposing ourselves in a play of mystery Free to act out any dreamed of roles With keyboard makeup to hide “our souls” To be Einstein, Madonna or even yourself Wise man, warrior or wicked Wicklow elf But with this news it has finally ended Microsoft's net now fully expended Forever lost it its very own web A very last breath, a final ebb What can I do? But bid adieu. So much time with little do Watching a tele with little to view Read a book with little learn Listen to the wife with little concern My reason for living in partial collapse I could consider alternatives perhaps There's always comfort in the Miner's Arms Consolation in Guinness and a barmaid's charms. (not suggesting the barmaid is a miner by the way, and no intentional offence to Wicklow pixies)

Hello everyone, I have a copy of the Abbe MacGeoghegan's, "The History of Ireland Ancient & Modern...", dedicated to the Irish Brigade and translated from the French by Patrick O'Kelly. It was published in Dublin by James Duffy in 1844, but I don't think it's a first edition because the preface refers to an earlier one. I treasure this book because it belonged to my grandfather who, sadly, I never knew. I understand that it was a well regarded history of Ireland for some time and was wondering if anyone out there could tell me what the current perception of this history is? On a family history note one or two of the frontispiece papers have been inscribed by "Myles Byrne, Ballybraid, Glenmalure, Rathdrum, Co. Wicklow." Again, in a more childish but quite elaborate hand, is the name "Mollie Byrne". At the moment I'm "knee deep" pursuing my English roots but, when I finally get down to concentrating on my Irish side, these could well become clues for me to follow up. Regards to all, Marie

Hi Cece, That's lovely - I wonder what Letecia's answer was?!? Cheers, Marie ----- Original Message ----- >I just received this from someone and even though I enjoy books <snip>

In the old days before computers where used for researching, One source was the Irish Old age pension records Applications were required to have copy of latest census that the applicant was shown, could be 1851 or 1881, used to prove that applicant was eligible. This would have all the family. Another tool was used to verify that we had the correct family was by using Irish naming pattern. Question was The Naming Pattern used for both Irish and the English in Ireland. Regards Dave Visit my homepage http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/djgriff/

To Dave and all the List: Thanks for the information below. As to Irish Old Age Pension records...how does one access same? Thanks for a possible new source, Sharon At 03:23 PM 9/8/2005 +1200, you wrote: >In the old days before computers where used for researching, >One source was the Irish Old age pension records Applications were >required to have copy of latest census that the applicant was shown, could >be 1851 or 1881, used to prove that applicant was eligible. This would have >all the family. >Another tool was used to verify that we had the correct family was by using >Irish naming pattern. >Question was The Naming Pattern used for both Irish and the English in >Ireland. >Regards >Dave >Visit my homepage >http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/djgriff/ > > >==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== >Did you remind the list this month (September 2005) who you were looking For? > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

I just received this from someone and even though I enjoy books AND the internet, I thought I would attempt to add some humor today !! Cece http://www.shibumi.org/EotI/ http://www.shibumi.org/EotI/

Seems we never get beyond Arklow and Avoca so thought I would pop some of these Civil marriages down the list for those who may need them Happy hunting Cara ARCHER, Thomas Age: 40 Marriage Wife: Hannah MOODY Age: 28 Marriage Date: 13 Feb 1847 Recorded in: Dunlavin, Wicklow, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: David ARCHER Wife's Father: Thomas MOODY Source: FHL Film 101283 Dates: 1847 - 1847 BURNSIDE, James Marriage Wife: Sarah WILSON Marriage Date: 4 Dec 1847 Recorded in: Dunlavin, Wicklow, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: James BURNSIDE Wife's Father: Robert WILSON Source: FHL Film 101283 Dates: 1847 - 1847 GREENE, William Marriage Wife: Anne BRYAN Marriage Date: 1 Jul 1852 Recorded in: Dunlavin, Wicklow, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: John GREENE Wife's Father: Robert BRYAN Source: FHL Film 101333 Dates: 1852 - 1852 BOOTHMAN, John Marriage Wife: Jane MOLYNEUX Marriage Date: 28 Jun 1860 Recorded in: Dunlavin, Wicklow, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: William BOOTHMAN Wife's Father: William MOLYNEUX Source: FHL Film 101413 Dates: 1860 - 1860 SHERLOCK, William Davis Marriage Wife: Bridget BROGHAM Marriage Date: 19 Mar 1860 Recorded in: Dunlavin, Wicklow, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: Jonathan Wigmore SHERLOCK Wife's Father: Richard BROGHAM Source: FHL Film 101413 Dates: 1860 - 1860 PERRY, Thomas Marriage Wife: Elizabeth BOND Marriage Date: 9 Sep 1862 Recorded in: Dunlavin, Wicklow, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: John PERRY Wife's Father: William BOND Source: FHL Film 101433 Dates: 1862 - 1862

FRAZER, John Marriage Wife: Jane STRAHAN Marriage Date: 28 Jan 1854 Recorded in: Ballinaclash, Wicklow, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: John FRAZER Wife's Father: William STRAHAN Source: FHL Film 101360 Dates: 1854 - 1854

thanks Cara...I'm sure the STRAHAN belongs to us somewhere...Ballinaclash is the right place.! Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <cracker@hotkey.net.au> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:19 AM Subject: [Wicklow] STRAHAN FRAZER CIVIL MARRIAGE > FRAZER, John Marriage > Wife: Jane STRAHAN > Marriage Date: 28 Jan 1854 Recorded in: Ballinaclash, Wicklow, Ireland > Collection: Civil Registration > Husband's Father: John FRAZER > Wife's Father: William STRAHAN > Source: FHL Film 101360 Dates: 1854 - 1854 > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > If you have a problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, > please contact IRL-WICKLOW-admin@rootsweb.com. off-list at Admin Thanks > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I would like to add a few comments on Ancestral File. Last year I found entries for an ancestor and contact details. As a cousin had found out some info on the ancestor and as she does not use the internet I found out some more. So I gave her the details and she wrote to the submitter in America. It took some time to get a reply. When she did she got a very terse reply stating she had it wrong that this person was a decendant of another of the same name and area of England but not the one mention by my cousin. I have checked the web site and it still has the same info. The only reason I can guess is that this lady submitted info on someone else and forgot about it. It puzzles me why she would be annoyed and why she did not check the website before replying. After reading the letter my cousin is reluctant to contact anyone else. I have explained that LDS members often submit files on their family as part of their church duty and are not necessarily interested in genealogy and contacting living relatives. Bev Johns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Gorry" <gorry@indigo.ie> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:09 AM Subject: [Wicklow] Ancestral File > Sharon asked: > >> Paul, if you are reading - would you kindly expand your comments about >> Ancestral File. I think it would be enlightening to read more about how >> records can and do get into the LDS File and why we should always > 'consider >> the source.' I completely agree with you, but I think the List could >> benefit from your knowledge and familiarity with Ancestral File. > > Actually, I can't enlighten anyone on the use of Ancestral File as I > rarely > look at it! My problem with it is that it's composed of information > submitted by individuals who may or may not have researched their family > carefully. Other than telling you the name and contact details of the > person who submitted the information (which in itself is useful in that > you > can try to make contact) it gives you no idea where the information comes > from. I've seen pedigrees in it going back centuries that are all based > on > unreliable publications or pure fantasy. It is useful if you want a > general > outline of a fairly prominent family but it's not a record, just a > research > tool. It's one I'd remove from FamilySearch.org if I was in charge of > that > excellent site. That's all I can say about it. > > Paul Gorry > > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > Stick to the lists Golden Rule and you will never go wrong, Co Wicklow > genealogy~history~news~ and be nice to one another. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >