Easily done, David. And a Happy Chirstmas to you too. Joyce -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 16/12/05

WISHING YOU ALL A HAPPY AND PEACEFUL CHRISTMAS AND HOPE THAT 2006 WILL BRING ALL THAT YOU DREAM OF. To All Our Friends on the List, and Very Special Wishes to Cara, Peggy, Cyril, with a special Thank You from Me, for all your help during 2005 My Wish for 2006, is that we ALL find that special little bit of Information that will lead us on in our searches. Love to All Gina and Hubby Ray xxxx

Knock Knock Knock The three knocks herald the approaching death among the lineal descendants of the chief of the Byrne Sept of Co Wicklow, who fought at the battle of Clontarf 1014, are heard even by members of the family long settled in Australia A John Byrne and his sister scoffed at this and cast aspersion on such a superstition, but as their father was dying they heard three knocks, and a housekeeper and two nurses in the same room did not hear them. The family legend is that St Lawrence O'Toole ( c 1130-80) whose mother was Margaret Byrne decreed that three knocks would be heard for evermore by members of the family who are near the dying relative, and only by them. Gives a whole new slant to DNA testing, just wait for the Knock, Knock, Knock. That Sounds Irish Sign by the river Shannon :- When this notice is under water it is unsafe to cross the river at this point. STERILITY is hereditary, if your parents and grandparents didn't have children, the chances are you won't either. Headlines in a newspaper "Passengers Hit By Cancelled trains. The nun with a price on her head Have you ever wondered about the people who are honoured on the older Irish currency The woman on a five punt note is Dublin born Catherine McAuley 1778-1841 who was orphaned at an early age. As main beneficiary when her wealthy foster parents died, she decided in 1827 to build a refuge for women and children in Lower Baggot Street Dublin. Later as a nun in the Presentation Convent Dublin, she founded the order of the Sisters of Mercy. The fear of a recurrence of the Great Famine in Ireland and the news of finding Gold in July 1851 in Victoria Australia prompted hundreds of Irish to come to Australia ( voluntarily) from August 1852. Although they were poor, they were proud, and as the left their homeland, this rhyme would ring in their ears for years to come. Write a letter now and then And send her all you can But don't forget where'er you roam That you're an Irishman. Cheers Cara

A source that is particularly hard to handle is the older newspapers of Ireland as they are so large, and are very tedious to search. The NLI -Dublin did index the Freemen's Journal 1763-1771 but that is now not available for perusal. Newspapers are treasure troves for families such as the landed gentry, merchants, medium sized tradesmen and craftsmen. They are totally useless for farmers, and the small land holder, these people tended to be ignored by the press. Information in the main to be found is marriages. Obituary notices and birth notices were confined to the "rich". So if you are not able to find an obituary notice, in early Irish newsprint, you would have to address where your family was on the social ladder of those times. And apart from isolated areas where early registers exist, or where they are covered by the 1821 census, the years between, 1800-1830 prove a decisive obstacle to the farming community, who were of course the bulk of the population in Ireland in the early 19th Century. It is not easy to foresee how we can overcome this problem, even by future extensive indexing of the extant sources; as one of the saddest features of Irish Genealogy is the generations of neglect of records and indeed of recording records. Cheers Cara

A Traditional Irish Christmas The Traditional year in Ireland provides a calendar of customs based on Folk Tradition dating back to its Neolithic farming ancestors of six thousand years ago. The Feast of Christmas recalls the joy of Christendom at the birth of the Saviour, a rejoicing fully enjoyed by Irish tradition. There is the lighting of the Christmas candle by the youngest child to welcome the Holy Family into the home. There are the titbits given to the animals in memory of the first to adore Him, the ox and the ass of Bethlehem. There is the churchgoing, the visit to the Crib, the presents and feasting. But behind that there are the echoes of the older festival of Midwinter. What other explanation couth there be for the Hunting of the Wren on St Stephens Day, 26th December, when groups of young men, gaily dressed and playing music from house to house ( or pub to pub) announcing they have killed 'The Wran, the Wran, the king of all Bird's and requesting contributions toward his burial? Needless to say the money gathered is spent on a party with plenty of music, dancing, eating and drinking. And what of Christmas Rhymers or Mummers, a group of young men who perform a little play, the main feature of which is a duel between two champions, in which one is killed to be revived again by a skilled Doctor. Is this, as some think, a survival of some ancient ceremony representing the death of the Old year and the revival of the New? The questions will always be asked - How did it all begin? Passed down through more than 200 generations, some of the festivals are so old that one can only guess where such a rich assembly of belief, custom and ceremonial, of story, song and prophecy came from in the first place. But I do recall my first Christmas in Arklow, Co Wicklow, a trip to Dublin to see the lights spectacular, and the shortest of days, returning to a coal fire, and a warm toddy, memories, that remain with me long after the event. And a longing to be there now, with my extended family and friends, but this year its Christmas in Tasmania again, no so bad, the weather doing a really Irish jig, one day fine the next so cold. But to each and every lister, wherever you are, in the world , whatever you may or may not be doing for Christmas I with my (himself) and family would like to take this moment in time to wish you all a Merry Christmas- And good luck in your pursuit of your Irish ancestors. Cara, Himself, and the rest of the family

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Charlene, As far as I know my Richardson family didn't have any relatives in Co Tipperary. My earliest Richardson in Ireland is a Thomas Richardson who married in Rathdrum in 1832. He was born in Scotland. He appears to have come to Ireland with his brother William. Thomas and William both lived in Ballinaclash and were shoemakers. Joyce -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 16/12/05

Cara, Thanks for all the wonderful Irish traditions around Christmas; it was very interesting. Maureen N

The Avoca miners were also likely to have had a similar esoteric belief in the sound of knocking in their underground workplaces. It was and probably still is believed by many miners that as a pre-warning of imminent disaster knocking noises were made by the………….. Tommy Knockers Hades a forefather of spirits deep A keeper of miners in long-term sleep. Within the world of miners since earliest days A knowledge existed of Goblin ways. With respectful awareness of this fairy life Retold in stories from Cornwall to Fife. Bluecaps in Yorkshire and other Dales Coblyns in Wales amidst mining vales. All are Witchlein or of fairy stock Warning of danger with signalling knock. The Basilisks pre-empting situations dire Appear before explosion or underground fire These beings long blamed for a host of tricks From throwing stones to the theft of picks. Woe betide the whistler too loud In earshot of Knockers this isn't allowed But recompense in token could be made With gifts of food left in the fairy glade

Is this the time of the year for Ghost Stories etc? I just thought I would share this family story with the list. My late brother and I originally started working together on our family history and the following was one of his recollections. I quote "I had heard the tale previously as being common in the RICHARDSON family for there to be knocking on the door and when answered no one to be there, this happening shortly prior to a death at the house or in the family. One afternoon in 1935 my Grandmother MARGARET RICHARDSON, heard knocking on the front door and when she answered it there was no one there. This upset her but her younger son, John, said it was probably the kids from next door playing tricks. Less than an hour later my Grandfather, TOM RICHARDSON, who had been in good health died suddenly from a heart attack while building a new wireless set. A later check established that none of the neighbours' children were about at the time of knocking" Now please don't tell me that I have a connection to the name BYRNE - tough enough sorting out the RICHARDSON/WILLIAMS lot!! I would just like to wish all those on the list a happy and peaceful Christmas and happy hunting in 2006 Joyce Tunstead -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 16/12/05

Joyce I am researching the Richardson family as well as the Beatty. My Richardsons came from Borrisokane, Co Tipperary, Ireland originally but married into the Beatty family of Co Wicklow. Frederick Richardson with his wife Mary came to Canada in the early 1800s. His son Frederick William m Anne Haskett in the early 1800s before coming to Canada, they were both born in the late 1700s. Any chance of a connection. Charlene

Thanks Cara, With names like Byrne & Doyle being so common its unlikely i will find living relatives. Too many names are the same so it would cost a fortune for all the certificates. Cheers again, Mark

Just to name a few ........ 1728 Samuel Usher Collated Rector of Ennisbohin ( Dunganstown) July 16th Son of John Ussher, Master Chancery born in Dublin, educated by Dr. Drury. Entered TCD July 9th 1714 aged 20, graduated B.A in 1719. Rector of Dunganstown 1728-71 died aAugust 20th 1771 His wife died in the October 1765 she was Frances Walsh Ball-Wright They had four sons and one was Rev Henry Ussher Astronomer Royal and three daughters 1771 John Wynne Collated Rector September 14th and remained the rector until 1782 he died in the April of 1782 Curates 1782 Mathew Johnson son of WilliamJohnson of Shillelagh Co Wicklow educated by Mr Brough, entered TCD 1765 BA 1770 Joined the Irish Bar in 1775 and soon after the ministry and was Curate of Wicklow in 1787. 1799 Henry Braddell Second son of George Braddell of Prospect Co Wexford and of Dublin, he was born in Co Wicklow; entered TCD 1777 aged 17; BA 1781 Curate of Aghold 1797-98 Curate of Dunganstown 1799. Married in Dunganstown to Dorothea Revel, and had issue Henry. Died Suddenly October 1st 1824 1824 Thomas Acton son of Thomas Acton -gentleman born at West Aston Co Wicklow Educated by Mr Leney. Entered TCD 1808 aged 16 years; BA 1812 he Married Sydney Elizabeth Evans youngest daughter of Hampden Evans of Portrane Had issues 1- Thomas entered TCD 1839 aged 18 he had a daughter 1843 2-Lt Col Hampden Madras Staff Corps married Lucy Ussher a widow of H Davis of Co Waterford and daughter of W J Greer of Co Tyrone; 3- William entered TCD 1842 aged 17; became high Sheriff Co Leitrim 1875 married 1852 Georgina Daughter of James Lowry of Rochdale Co Tyrone they had three daughters. 1- Margaret married Henry L Bayly- son of Rev Henry L Bayly 2-Sydney Anne died at Queenstown 1864 3- Anna Sophia Married Capt George Warburton Drought brother of Rev Thomas A Drought - who died August 12th 1846 and his widow died August 1867. ©Cara_Links Researching Co.Wicklow,Wexford. A headstone or two, a dusting of elsewhere A friend is one who accepts your past, loves you as you are, and believes in all of your tomorrow's. ***Please remind me if I have not done that job for you, my intentions are always good, but sometimes time runs out on me, so I leave it up to you to remind me.

What little I have is this Descendants of Thomas Rourke Generation No. 1 1. THOMAS1 ROURKE He married ANNE CULLODEN. Child of THOMAS ROURKE and ANNE CULLODEN is: i. THOMAS2 ROURKE, b. 11 Nov 1864, Dunganstown Co Wicklow Ireland. ===================== Descendants of Mary Culloden Generation No. 1 1. MARY1 CULLODEN She married THOMAS KANE 21 Oct 1845 in Parish of Avoca Co Wicklow Ireland. More About MARY CULLODEN: Name also spelt: Culloten/ Culloden in parish registers More About THOMAS KANE and MARY CULLODEN: ..Witnessed by: Peter Dowd and Anne Kane Marriage: 21 Oct 1845, Parish of Avoca Co Wicklow Ireland Married by: .Clergy of the Roman Catholic Church ===================== Descendants of Rose Culloden Generation No. 1 1. ROSE1 CULLODEN She married JAMES FLANIGAN 30 May 1840 in Parish of Avoca Co Wicklow Ireland. More About JAMES FLANIGAN and ROSE CULLODEN: ..Witnessed by: Marcus Keough and Mary Rourk Marriage: 30 May 1840, Parish of Avoca Co Wicklow Ireland Married by: .Clergy of the Roman Catholic Church ======================== Descendants of Anne Culloden Generation No. 1 1. ANNE1 CULLODEN She married JOHN NAILOR 10 Jan 1848 in Parish of Avoca Co Wicklow Ireland. More About JOHN NAILOR and ANNE CULLODEN: ..Witnessed by: John Byrne and Mary Kennedy Marriage: 10 Jan 1848, Parish of Avoca Co Wicklow Ireland Married by: .Clergy of the Roman Catholic Church ++++++++++++++ I suspect that Rose, Mary and Anne Culloden from Avoca Parish were either sisters or cousins. Source transcribed from the Original Parish registers in 2003 by Cara_Links

The Nowlan line began in Tinakilly Co Wicklow Ireland and you had best add another S to Baltiglass as that is its correct spelling - having had my fingers smacked over this I will never be forgetting that there is Two S's on Baltinglass. Garrett Nowlan was born in Oct 1824 do you have this I wont type it in if you do but will willing share if you dont CARA

Anything is possible Mark no one said she was Miss or Mrs. Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark o'donnell" <mark@odoodle.fsnet.co.uk> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 3:12 AM Subject: Re: [Wicklow] SLATERS DIRECTORY~2 > Could Ellen Byrne (MISTRESS)be wife of farmer Andrew? She was a Doyle & > had > a daughter Anne. > Mark > > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > Co Wicklow the Garden of Ireland. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Descendants of Matthew Gore Generation No. 1 1. MATTHEW1 GORE He married MARY PURCEL 20 Nov 1803 in Avoca Parish Co Wicklow Ireland. More About MATTHEW GORE and MARY PURCEL: Marriage: 20 Nov 1803, Avoca Parish Co Wicklow Ireland Married according to: Roman Catholic Church Avoca Ireland Witnessed by: Peter Murphy and Mary Owin Transcribed in 2003 by Cara_Links from the original parish registers =========================================== Descendants of William Gore Generation No. 1 1. WILLIAM1 GORE /Deceased by sons Wedding inSeptember 1867.. More About WILLIAM GORE: Occupation: Was a Carpenter Child of WILLIAM GORE is: i. SAMUEL2 GORE, m. ANNE WATERS TURNER, 24 Sep 1867, Parish Church Dunganstown Co Wicklow Ireland. More About SAMUEL GORE: Lived at time of Marriage: Parish of St Peters Dublin Occupation: 1867, Carpenter More About ANNE WATERS TURNER: Lived at time of Marriage: 1867, Sea Park Co Wicklow Ireland Marriage Notes for SAMUEL GORE and ANNE TURNER: Both could write and signed their wedding certificate. More About SAMUEL GORE and ANNE TURNER: Bride: Was a Minor Groom: full age and a bachelor Marriage: 24 Sep 1867, Parish Church Dunganstown Co Wicklow Ireland Married by: Licence Church of Ireland Wedding witnesses 1-2: Alexander Gore ~Matthew Turner Certificates in hand Cheers CARA

The griffiths valuations covered the person who owned land Slaters Directory there were two names Slaters Commercial directory of Ireland and Slaters Royal National Directory of Ireland ( prior to this name it had been known as Pigot's & co. The Commercial Directory omitted the gentry and the Royal arranged by province, also has the gentry added each town beginning with gentry Clergy and Nobility. The names of the National -Parochial- and Free Schoolmasters for each town is also given, and yes it covered other parts of Ireland as well. Directories began in 1700's but not necessarily covered everywhere up to the current years, being very similar to a trade directory which is attached to our phone books here, I cannot say for other parts of the world if they have trade directories as we do here. Co Wicklow being covered by these Directories 1788-Lucas Directory of Arklow, Bray, Wicklow 1824 Pigots Directory of Arklow, Baltinglass, Blessington, Bray, Newtown Mount Kennedy, Rathdrum, Wicklow 1846- Slaters Directory of Arklow, Baltinglass, Blessington, Bray NewtownmountKennedy, Delgany Rathdrum, Wicklow 1856 -Slaters Directory of Arklow, Baltingalss, Blesssington, Bray and Enniskerry, NewtownmountKennedy, Delgany and Kilcoole, Rathdrum, Wicklow and Ashford. 1870- Slaters Directory of Arklow, Baltinglass, Blessington, Bray, Newtownmount Kennnedy, Rathdrum, Wicklow 1881- Slaters Directory of Arklow, Baltinglass, Donard and Dunlavin, Blessington, Bray and Enniskerry, Newtown mountKennedy, Greystones and Dlegany, Rathdrum, Wicklow 1894-Slaters Directory. Each County had their own directories and all are no doubt available in the NLI -Dublin. Cheers CARA

CARA, Ah, you've struck a nerve of mine! When you say Heatley's I assume you mean Edward Heatley b. 181X and ...............; this is the Edward whom I believe could ? be my gggranddad. If his wife was ELLEN CARR then this would be him! Stone with only Edward's name on it right next to the church which is in ruins. Stone withstanding weathering very, very well. Any suggestions as to how I could check any further on this?? County Wicklow does not appear to be in favor of genealogists, other than to rip us off!!! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Cara_Links <cracker@hotkey.net.au> To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:44:57 +1100 Subject: [Wicklow] SNIPS N SNAPS -4 Macreddin Church was built in 1828 situated 3 miles from the Aughrim village and sold in 1991 and now is a private residence Derralossary Church, Three Mile Water, Kilcandra, are all churches that have closed in this century, Derralossary being the burial ground for some Heatley's, Valentine and Erskine Childers a former President of Ireland who died suddenly in 1974. New Kilbride with a congregation of only 6 persons recently were aided by the Roman Catholic parishioners in the area, to restore their church. Reverend Sherwood of Arklow and clergyman of Kilbride and St Saviours Arklow was recently chained to the Steeple of St Saviours in a fund raising effort to help preserve and restore St Saviours and if you are passing that way a small donation would aid his cause, tell him you read about it here on our Wicklow List. Reverend William Butler Bryan 1860-1886 was behind the building of Holy Trinity Castlemacadam the church was consecrated in 1870. Inch Co Wexford parish of Arklow. Was in the half Barony of Arklow Seeking ancestors one needs to look at the border towns around the area. Of all the counties outside Ulster 19th century Wicklow had the highest proportion of Protestant Inhabitants. Between 1785 and 1806 there were six surveys of Lord Hill's entire Co Wicklow Estate made by John Brownrigg and John Longfield Michael Dwyer is said to have been the reason that a military road was built through the Wicklow mountains. ©Cara_Links Researching Co.Wicklow,Wexford. A headstone or two, a dusting of elsewhere A friend is one who accepts your past, loves you as you are, and believes in all of your tomorrow's. ***Please remind me if I have not done that job for you, my intentions are always good, but sometimes time runs out on me, so I leave it up to you to remind me. ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== SUBJECT LINE~ Make it catch the eye of the reader, Body of the mail add as much information as you can ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Hi Gina , thanks for the reply obvisously a different GORE regards Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Ellis" <gina157@tesco.net> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [Wicklow] Re: "Reply to Eileen from Gina" > Hi Ron and Also to Julie from Brisbane. who wishes to know about the > Gore Family. > I am afraid I do not know anything more about Rose Ann Gore apart from > her marriage to George Doolittle in Liverpool in 1873 and that she was > the Daughter of a Michael Gore. I wish I could Help you more but if I > find out anything more I will get back to you > Best Wishes on your searches > Gina UK > > R & B GORE wrote: > > >Pardon me for butting in but the name GORE always makes my ears prick up. > >My gggranfather was Arthur Gore , convict Convicted Dublin 1837 7 yrs, transported to Sydney NSW ,on the Westmoreland, 4 ? times married and a regular convict and a general "WILD" boy, He appears to claim he was a Wicklow man. > >Are your "GORES" part of mine? > >Ron GORE @ Pindimar NSW > > > > > >==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > >Have you any new ideas on researching Co Wicklow you would like to share. > > > >============================== > >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > >New content added every business day. Learn more: > >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > SUBJECT LINE~ Make it catch the eye of the reader, > Body of the mail add as much information as you can > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >