Hi Bonnie I've come in on the tail end of your mailings, so I'm not sure what time frame you're looking for. If you'd like to contact me off the list with some approximate dates, I'll post some Keelys from Arklow for you and whoever. Cara....called you at an old phone number (I guess) while I was in Arklow with no answer. Too bad. Would have enjoyed a chat and tea and cakes. Cyril.....can you look for my Weadicks/Waducks in Wex. and send me any you find, please. I put on 12 pounds in Ireland, thanks to Joanne's pavlova and other goodies, but the knickers still fit! Let me hear from you, Bonnie. I'd rather be there, Peggy Leonard

With apologies to; Thomas Moore, Bonnie, Cyril and Deb. Sweet vale of Avoca, how calm could I rest In thy bosom of shade, with friends I love best Where the storms that we feel in this cold world should cease, And our hearts, like thy waters, be mingled in peace. Amidst the gentle strumming of rhythmic sticks Easing us through times of friendly conflicts With smiling threats and a sense of good humoured warning In the meandered sunrise of this Avoca morning. A request to Cara, if, after accomplishing a successful ‘delagging,’ I wonder if you could cast a net of local enquiry and glean any info. on the mining done on the South side of the Avoca river. Deb’s quote from The Rebellion in Wicklow, 1798 is the first time I have heard of mining other than on the East and West sides of the valley. I can only guess that there was perhaps some exploratory mining after Woodenbridge on the South side. (If South is in fact East then Avoca sunrises would have meandered North.) Regards Daz.

Little rough for newbies to all this. I know from experience that a "y" is easily changed to "ie" etc. and it is something one has to come to terms with. Good info but... Charlene From: <cnews@eircom.net> Reply-To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Wicklow] Roe/Ireland/Keeley Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:00:47 +0100 Bonnie, Let's not beat about the Bush, I don't know who you paid to do your research but I think they had no idea about research! Using the Soundex method instead of sticking to the immediate spelling of names, you can come up with some interesting information. I am fed up with telling people that we in this world all speak the same language but differently! Say for instance you lived in Launceston in Cornwall UK. We would pronounce it as LAWNSTON, Aussies pronounce it as LAWN-CESS-TON. It's all down to phonetics! Enumerators write things down as they themselves would say it! This is where you get the confusion! You have to open up your mind to such things! As usual I am opening myself up to Criticism as a lot of people don't like my straight talking, but that I'm afraid, is a fact of life. I AM WHO I AM! So given it took me all of 15 minutes to dig this up, I think everyone needs to revise they're researching abilities! There are some 54 ROE heads of household listed in Griffiths' Valuation as living in Co.Wexford for the period 1848-64. There are 38 ROWE families listed in Co. Wexford for this period. There are no KEELEY families listed in Co. Wexford for this period. There are 14 KEELY families listed for this period in Co. Wexford. There is 1 KIELY family listed in Co. Wexford. There are 2 KEILY families listed in Co. Wexford. There is 1 ROWE living in Colley St. Wicklow Town for this period. There are 8 people by the name of ROE living in Co.Wicklow for this period. There are no KEELEY families listed in Co. Wicklow for this period. There are 11 KEELY names listed in Co. Wicklow. There are 3 KEILY names listed in Co. Wicklow. There is 1 KIELY name listed in Co. Wicklow. Cara will no doubt bite my head off for shooting from the hip, as will many others who have been deprived of my replies over the past year or so. I am generally too busy to get involved with the frustrations of lists these days. Yes I speak my mind and if I upset anyone so be it! That is my way! At least you get it straight from the horses mouth. I have not included the Parishes or Townlands in this list but you can all get them from Griffiths' Valuations anyway. There is a strong possibility that any of your names could be related to any one of these families. It's nice to be back though, so come on "Hit me with your Rhythm Sticks" slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman (which of course is County Wexford in Gaelic) Researching Newsome, Doyle, Byrne, Hayden and related families of Co. Wicklow. IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > The John Roe family left Ireland and remained intact in Alice Twp, near > Pembroke Ontario.  John appears on the 1861 census in Alice.  He is the last listed > for that census and township.  No family is listed but this could be an > omission.  Either he went alone and first to Alice and the others followed or they > were just left off the census, I do not know.  There is great confusion about > the dates of birth of the children and their date of immigration and they vary > with each census.  > > John Roe married Mary Ann Keeley.  She had two sisters, known, Julia and > Bridget.  John and Mary Ann had 6 known children.  Robert (abt 1841), Nicolas > (1845), Julia (1851), John and Elizabeth Frances (1856) , and Edward (1862).  On > the 1881 Canada census a son, George, is listed as born in ON in 1863.  We are > trying to find him.  Family lore has someone in this family going to the US > and it seems it can only be him.  > > Family lore very clearly repeats that this family was from Enniskerry, County > Wicklow.  I recently found on the marriage reg. for John Jr. that he lists > being born in Wexford.  That came from left field!  I have paid for some > research in Enniskerry and nothing was found.  They were very C of E and I can't > believe that there were no baptisms.  > > I know that the Keeley's are connected and somehow the Ireland's are also.  > This was all back in Ireland before any of them left. Julia and Bridget Keeley > appear to have immigrated to the Boston, MA area before 1861. Julia married > a Portugese sailor but moved to Pembroke ON to be near her sister. Bridget > was a servant and never left the Boston area nor married. > > In 1889 brother and sister Frederick and Emily Ireland immigrate to New York. > They are with Julia's family on the 1891 census in Pembroke ON. They then > both go to the NY area, he to become a ship's doctor and she a nurse. In > 1880, their father, William Ireland, immigrates to Connecticut. Fred and Emily > must have been left in Ireland. It appears on the 1900 US census that > William married a second time in Connecticut so I am guessing that his wife died > before 1880 and he left the children to immigrate to the US. William was born > about 1850. I am guessing that his first wife was a Keeley. That would > establish the "cousin" relationship of Fred and Emily to Julia's children. > > I am trying again on my own as funds limit paying for a lot of searching in > Ireland. 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Well, what can one say to that! slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman... IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Cyril > Your mail has held valuable information, BUT, surely > you could have delivered it without the venom perhaps > more sugar in your coffee may help you in the > mornings. > I do not have the time to bash you with my rythmn > stick, but suggest that if you are feeling jaded by > peoples requests you quite simly delete mails > > consider this a warning > Cara > > --- cnews@eircom.net wrote: > > > Bonnie, > > > > Let's not beat about the Bush, I don't know who you > > paid to do your research but I think they had no > > idea about research! Using the Soundex method > > instead of sticking to the immediate spelling of > > names, you can come up with some interesting > > information. > > > > I am fed up with telling people that we in this > > world all speak the same language but differently! > > Say for instance you lived in Launceston in Cornwall > > UK. We would pronounce it as LAWNSTON, Aussies > > pronounce it as LAWN-CESS-TON. It's all down to > > phonetics! > > > > Enumerators write things down as they themselves > > would say it! This is where you get the confusion! > > > > You have to open up your mind to such things! > > > > As usual I am opening myself up to Criticism as a > > lot of people don't like my straight talking, but > > that I'm afraid, is a fact of life. I AM WHO I AM! > > > > So given it took me all of 15 minutes to dig this > > up, I think everyone needs to revise they're > > researching abilities! > > > > There are some 54 ROE heads of household listed in > > Griffiths' Valuation as living in Co.Wexford for the > > period 1848-64. > > > > There are 38 ROWE families listed in Co. Wexford for > > this period. > > > > There are no KEELEY families listed in Co. Wexford > > for this period. > > > > There are 14 KEELY families listed for this period > > in Co. Wexford. > > > > There is 1 KIELY family listed in Co. Wexford. > > > > There are 2 KEILY families listed in Co. Wexford. > > > > There is 1 ROWE living in Colley St. Wicklow Town > > for this period. > > > > There are 8 people by the name of ROE living in > > Co.Wicklow for this period. > > > > There are no KEELEY families listed in Co. Wicklow > > for this period. > > > > There are 11 KEELY names listed in Co. Wicklow. > > > > There are 3 KEILY names listed in Co. Wicklow. > > > > There is 1 KIELY name listed in Co. Wicklow. > > > > Cara will no doubt bite my head off for shooting > > from the hip, as will many others who have been > > deprived of my replies over the past year or so. I > > am generally too busy to get involved with the > > frustrations of lists these days. > > > > Yes I speak my mind and if I upset anyone so be it! > > That is my way! At least you get it straight from > > the horses mouth. > > > > I have not included the Parishes or Townlands in > > this list but you can all get them from Griffiths' > > Valuations anyway. > > There is a strong possibility that any of your names > > could be related to any one of these families. > > > > It's nice to be back though, so come on "Hit me with > > your Rhythm Sticks" > > > > > > slan > > > > Cyril Newsome > > Loch Garman > > (which of course is County Wexford in Gaelic) > > > > Researching Newsome, Doyle, Byrne, Hayden and > > related families of Co. Wicklow. > > > > > > > > IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > > > > > The John Roe family left Ireland and remained > > intact in Alice Twp, near > > > Pembroke Ontario.� John appears on the 1861 census > > in Alice.� He is the last listed > > > for that census and township.� No family is listed > > but this could be an > > > omission.� Either he went alone and first to Alice > > and the others followed or they > > > were just left off the census, I do not know.� > > There is great confusion about > > > the dates of birth of the children and their date > > of immigration and they vary > > > with each census.� > > > > > > John Roe married Mary Ann Keeley.� She had two > > sisters, known, Julia and > > > Bridget.� John and Mary Ann had 6 known children.� > > Robert (abt 1841), Nicolas > > > (1845), Julia (1851), John and Elizabeth Frances > > (1856) , and Edward (1862).� On > > > the 1881 Canada census a son, George, is listed as > > born in ON in 1863.� We are > > > trying to find him.� Family lore has someone in > > this family going to the US > > > and it seems it can only be him.� > > > > > > Family lore very clearly repeats that this family > > was from Enniskerry, County > > > Wicklow.� I recently found on the marriage reg. > > for John Jr. that he lists > > > being born in Wexford.� That came from left > > field!� I have paid for some > > > research in Enniskerry and nothing was found.� > > They were very C of E and I can't > > > believe that there were no baptisms.� > > > > > > I know that the Keeley's are connected and somehow > > the Ireland's are also.� > > > This was all back in Ireland before any of them > > left.�Julia and Bridget Keeley > > > appear to have immigrated to the Boston, MA area > > before 1861. Julia married > > > a Portugese sailor but moved to Pembroke ON to be > > near her sister. Bridget > > > was a servant and never left the Boston area nor > > married. > > > > > > In 1889 brother and sister Frederick and Emily > > Ireland immigrate to New York. > > > They are with Julia's family on the 1891 census > > in Pembroke ON. They then > > > both go to the NY area, he to become a ship's > > doctor and she a nurse. In > > > 1880, their father, William Ireland, immigrates to > > Connecticut. Fred and Emily > > > must have been left in Ireland. It appears on > > the 1900 US census that > > > William married a second time in Connecticut so I > > am guessing that his wife died > > > before 1880 and he left the children to immigrate > > to the US. William was born > > > about 1850. I am guessing that his first wife > > was a Keeley. That would > > > establish the "cousin" relationship of Fred and > > Emily to Julia's children. > > > > > > I am trying again on my own as funds limit paying > > for a lot of searching in > > > Ireland. I need help! > > > > > > > > > Bonnie > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > > > Oh no you cant retire from family research, what > > would you do all day then? > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million > > records added in the > > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > > world. 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I think my hair has settled back on my head after reading this morning's emails about my Roe/Ireland/Keely request. I have spent about 4 years working around Ontario and last spring ventured on to the Quebec research list. I had no clue what I was doing and still don't, I don't speak French or can read it either, but I got lucky with some help. So putting an ocean in the way of finding my family is overwhelming. I am just glad that I got some attention. Beyond the knowledge that Julia Keely (sp?) and her sister Bridget went to the Boston area before 1858 I don't know if maybe John Roe was on the same boat. Julia married her seaman before 1858 in Duxbury Massachusetts. Anyway, that to the best of my knowledge was the early movement of this family. John Roe is on the Ontario census in 1861 in Pembroke Ontario. It is a strange entry which was the last entry for the entire township. It does not indicate that it is the end with John the last name but no family is listed on that page which ends up at the top 1/3rd. It is told that Julia was sick the entire 2 months it took to cross and she was never well after that. There is no story about the John going first and the family second. I have not found two children who ever give the same year for immigration and they vary from 1860-1865. I did find on the 1900 US census that William Ireland gives 1880 as his year of immigration from Northern Ireland. He is the father of Frederick William and Emily Frances Ireland who land in NY in 1889. He would be of the same generation as Julia and Mary Ann's children. The only thing that I can see as a help is the fact that this Roe/Keely/Ireland family is that they stayed together over here. They are very Church of England and not one is Catholic. They are almost all gone from Ireland in the 1860's. John Roe bought a lot of land when he first arrived. He was a farmer. The names used in this family seem to repeat. Frances is part of most of the girl's names, John, Julia and Emily are also used. On no record is the place of birth anything other than Ireland, Wicklow and Enniskerry are always mentioned, and only on Robert Roe's marriage registration does it say born Wexford Ireland. He was the oldest and born about 1840. Mary Ann and her children could read and write. And I realize that I am at the bottom of the set of stairs with no clue where to begin. I have found researching that not all answers can be found. But these three families seem to be so tightly together I feel that they were on top of each other in Ireland. I am overwhelmed with the task. Bonnie in California

Cyril Your mail has held valuable information, BUT, surely you could have delivered it without the venom perhaps more sugar in your coffee may help you in the mornings. I do not have the time to bash you with my rythmn stick, but suggest that if you are feeling jaded by peoples requests you quite simly delete mails consider this a warning Cara --- cnews@eircom.net wrote: > Bonnie, > > Let's not beat about the Bush, I don't know who you > paid to do your research but I think they had no > idea about research! Using the Soundex method > instead of sticking to the immediate spelling of > names, you can come up with some interesting > information. > > I am fed up with telling people that we in this > world all speak the same language but differently! > Say for instance you lived in Launceston in Cornwall > UK. We would pronounce it as LAWNSTON, Aussies > pronounce it as LAWN-CESS-TON. It's all down to > phonetics! > > Enumerators write things down as they themselves > would say it! This is where you get the confusion! > > You have to open up your mind to such things! > > As usual I am opening myself up to Criticism as a > lot of people don't like my straight talking, but > that I'm afraid, is a fact of life. I AM WHO I AM! > > So given it took me all of 15 minutes to dig this > up, I think everyone needs to revise they're > researching abilities! > > There are some 54 ROE heads of household listed in > Griffiths' Valuation as living in Co.Wexford for the > period 1848-64. > > There are 38 ROWE families listed in Co. Wexford for > this period. > > There are no KEELEY families listed in Co. Wexford > for this period. > > There are 14 KEELY families listed for this period > in Co. Wexford. > > There is 1 KIELY family listed in Co. Wexford. > > There are 2 KEILY families listed in Co. Wexford. > > There is 1 ROWE living in Colley St. Wicklow Town > for this period. > > There are 8 people by the name of ROE living in > Co.Wicklow for this period. > > There are no KEELEY families listed in Co. Wicklow > for this period. > > There are 11 KEELY names listed in Co. Wicklow. > > There are 3 KEILY names listed in Co. Wicklow. > > There is 1 KIELY name listed in Co. Wicklow. > > Cara will no doubt bite my head off for shooting > from the hip, as will many others who have been > deprived of my replies over the past year or so. I > am generally too busy to get involved with the > frustrations of lists these days. > > Yes I speak my mind and if I upset anyone so be it! > That is my way! At least you get it straight from > the horses mouth. > > I have not included the Parishes or Townlands in > this list but you can all get them from Griffiths' > Valuations anyway. > There is a strong possibility that any of your names > could be related to any one of these families. > > It's nice to be back though, so come on "Hit me with > your Rhythm Sticks" > > > slan > > Cyril Newsome > Loch Garman > (which of course is County Wexford in Gaelic) > > Researching Newsome, Doyle, Byrne, Hayden and > related families of Co. Wicklow. > > > > IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > > The John Roe family left Ireland and remained > intact in Alice Twp, near > > Pembroke Ontario.  John appears on the 1861 census > in Alice.  He is the last listed > > for that census and township.  No family is listed > but this could be an > > omission.  Either he went alone and first to Alice > and the others followed or they > > were just left off the census, I do not know.  > There is great confusion about > > the dates of birth of the children and their date > of immigration and they vary > > with each census.  > > > > John Roe married Mary Ann Keeley.  She had two > sisters, known, Julia and > > Bridget.  John and Mary Ann had 6 known children.  > Robert (abt 1841), Nicolas > > (1845), Julia (1851), John and Elizabeth Frances > (1856) , and Edward (1862).  On > > the 1881 Canada census a son, George, is listed as > born in ON in 1863.  We are > > trying to find him.  Family lore has someone in > this family going to the US > > and it seems it can only be him.  > > > > Family lore very clearly repeats that this family > was from Enniskerry, County > > Wicklow.  I recently found on the marriage reg. > for John Jr. that he lists > > being born in Wexford.  That came from left > field!  I have paid for some > > research in Enniskerry and nothing was found.  > They were very C of E and I can't > > believe that there were no baptisms.  > > > > I know that the Keeley's are connected and somehow > the Ireland's are also.  > > This was all back in Ireland before any of them > left. Julia and Bridget Keeley > > appear to have immigrated to the Boston, MA area > before 1861. Julia married > > a Portugese sailor but moved to Pembroke ON to be > near her sister. Bridget > > was a servant and never left the Boston area nor > married. > > > > In 1889 brother and sister Frederick and Emily > Ireland immigrate to New York. > > They are with Julia's family on the 1891 census > in Pembroke ON. They then > > both go to the NY area, he to become a ship's > doctor and she a nurse. In > > 1880, their father, William Ireland, immigrates to > Connecticut. Fred and Emily > > must have been left in Ireland. It appears on > the 1900 US census that > > William married a second time in Connecticut so I > am guessing that his wife died > > before 1880 and he left the children to immigrate > to the US. William was born > > about 1850. I am guessing that his first wife > was a Keeley. That would > > establish the "cousin" relationship of Fred and > Emily to Julia's children. > > > > I am trying again on my own as funds limit paying > for a lot of searching in > > Ireland. 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I looked in my data base, and located a family or two with the name Roe, and Rowe, in 1910 the chemist in Arklow was a Roe or was that Rowe, seeing as I am travelling on mmemory from one pc to another you will have to allow for this. A family is located in Ashford by 1864 I have a family of Roe that appear in Canada but as my lap top is not linked to the net as yet you must remain patient. I also suggest you see if our Peggy who is just returning from Arklow has any data in her data base on the family linked to Arklow a google search will bring up the 1901-1911 census for Arklow which was posted by Peggy to the net, Cara somewhere in Ireland fighting jet lag --- Trunthsams@aol.com wrote: > I checked my records again and it was the oldest > son, Robert, who lists > Wexford as his place of birth. And yes, border > dwellers is an idea. I guess > they could have moved after his birth. What I find > interesting is that John Roe > left Ireland and didn't arrive to be given the 10 > acres and a shovel. He > had 200 acres from the beginning. He was a farmer > from day one in Canada. > Getting that much land makes me think that they were > not destitute in Ireland. > The two oldest sons took almost 20 years to marry > and leave home. The third > son remained on the farm until his father's death. > Elizabeth Frances lived > until 1939. That is a lot of story telling for her > daughter to get it wrong > but it is possible. > > They spelled the family name as Roe and only a few > documents written by > someone else, a census early on, spells it Rowe. > They seemed to all be literate > and signed their own names. > > I did find a Mary Ann Kealy in the same Ontario > county on the death > registrations but she was born in the 1850's and > many of the Irish in Renfrew County > list Wicklow as their home in Ireland. > > As intact as this group stayed, with Julia Keeley > moving her family from > Massachusetts to Pembroke and the Ireland's lving > out their days in that home, > there aren't any family stories about Ireland. I > have found that Julia's > daughter spelled her mother's maiden name as Kealy > and Julia's son, the doctor, > spelled his mother's name as Keeley. That doesn't > help matters. > > Bonnie > > From: History-Family Researchers > <cara_links@yahoo.com> > To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <20060826203915.94956.qmail@web30214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Wicklow] Roe/Ireland/Keeley > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > You need to discount family lore for now and > approach > the areas that these names are found  most common > in. > > Brides married in their own parishes so perhaps, the > family you seek are border dwellers, thus the names > you seek do appear in both counties. > Do you have any idea at all where these children > were > born,and  if the young man stated Co Wexford on his > marriage cert I would certainly not be discounting > Co > Wexford. > > Given time I will check the CoI records but I need > time. > > CAra > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > Times flying and I havent seen you posting down the > list lately. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million > records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Bonnie, Let's not beat about the Bush, I don't know who you paid to do your research but I think they had no idea about research! Using the Soundex method instead of sticking to the immediate spelling of names, you can come up with some interesting information. I am fed up with telling people that we in this world all speak the same language but differently! Say for instance you lived in Launceston in Cornwall UK. We would pronounce it as LAWNSTON, Aussies pronounce it as LAWN-CESS-TON. It's all down to phonetics! Enumerators write things down as they themselves would say it! This is where you get the confusion! You have to open up your mind to such things! As usual I am opening myself up to Criticism as a lot of people don't like my straight talking, but that I'm afraid, is a fact of life. I AM WHO I AM! So given it took me all of 15 minutes to dig this up, I think everyone needs to revise they're researching abilities! There are some 54 ROE heads of household listed in Griffiths' Valuation as living in Co.Wexford for the period 1848-64. There are 38 ROWE families listed in Co. Wexford for this period. There are no KEELEY families listed in Co. Wexford for this period. There are 14 KEELY families listed for this period in Co. Wexford. There is 1 KIELY family listed in Co. Wexford. There are 2 KEILY families listed in Co. Wexford. There is 1 ROWE living in Colley St. Wicklow Town for this period. There are 8 people by the name of ROE living in Co.Wicklow for this period. There are no KEELEY families listed in Co. Wicklow for this period. There are 11 KEELY names listed in Co. Wicklow. There are 3 KEILY names listed in Co. Wicklow. There is 1 KIELY name listed in Co. Wicklow. Cara will no doubt bite my head off for shooting from the hip, as will many others who have been deprived of my replies over the past year or so. I am generally too busy to get involved with the frustrations of lists these days. Yes I speak my mind and if I upset anyone so be it! That is my way! At least you get it straight from the horses mouth. I have not included the Parishes or Townlands in this list but you can all get them from Griffiths' Valuations anyway. There is a strong possibility that any of your names could be related to any one of these families. It's nice to be back though, so come on "Hit me with your Rhythm Sticks" slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman (which of course is County Wexford in Gaelic) Researching Newsome, Doyle, Byrne, Hayden and related families of Co. Wicklow. IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > The John Roe family left Ireland and remained intact in Alice Twp, near > Pembroke Ontario.� John appears on the 1861 census in Alice.� He is the last listed > for that census and township.� No family is listed but this could be an > omission.� Either he went alone and first to Alice and the others followed or they > were just left off the census, I do not know.� There is great confusion about > the dates of birth of the children and their date of immigration and they vary > with each census.� > > John Roe married Mary Ann Keeley.� She had two sisters, known, Julia and > Bridget.� John and Mary Ann had 6 known children.� Robert (abt 1841), Nicolas > (1845), Julia (1851), John and Elizabeth Frances (1856) , and Edward (1862).� On > the 1881 Canada census a son, George, is listed as born in ON in 1863.� We are > trying to find him.� Family lore has someone in this family going to the US > and it seems it can only be him.� > > Family lore very clearly repeats that this family was from Enniskerry, County > Wicklow.� I recently found on the marriage reg. for John Jr. that he lists > being born in Wexford.� That came from left field!� I have paid for some > research in Enniskerry and nothing was found.� They were very C of E and I can't > believe that there were no baptisms.� > > I know that the Keeley's are connected and somehow the Ireland's are also.� > This was all back in Ireland before any of them left.�Julia and Bridget Keeley > appear to have immigrated to the Boston, MA area before 1861. Julia married > a Portugese sailor but moved to Pembroke ON to be near her sister. Bridget > was a servant and never left the Boston area nor married. > > In 1889 brother and sister Frederick and Emily Ireland immigrate to New York. > They are with Julia's family on the 1891 census in Pembroke ON. They then > both go to the NY area, he to become a ship's doctor and she a nurse. In > 1880, their father, William Ireland, immigrates to Connecticut. Fred and Emily > must have been left in Ireland. It appears on the 1900 US census that > William married a second time in Connecticut so I am guessing that his wife died > before 1880 and he left the children to immigrate to the US. William was born > about 1850. I am guessing that his first wife was a Keeley. That would > establish the "cousin" relationship of Fred and Emily to Julia's children. > > I am trying again on my own as funds limit paying for a lot of searching in > Ireland. 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I checked my records again and it was the oldest son, Robert, who lists Wexford as his place of birth. And yes, border dwellers is an idea. I guess they could have moved after his birth. What I find interesting is that John Roe left Ireland and didn't arrive to be given the 10 acres and a shovel. He had 200 acres from the beginning. He was a farmer from day one in Canada. Getting that much land makes me think that they were not destitute in Ireland. The two oldest sons took almost 20 years to marry and leave home. The third son remained on the farm until his father's death. Elizabeth Frances lived until 1939. That is a lot of story telling for her daughter to get it wrong but it is possible. They spelled the family name as Roe and only a few documents written by someone else, a census early on, spells it Rowe. They seemed to all be literate and signed their own names. I did find a Mary Ann Kealy in the same Ontario county on the death registrations but she was born in the 1850's and many of the Irish in Renfrew County list Wicklow as their home in Ireland. As intact as this group stayed, with Julia Keeley moving her family from Massachusetts to Pembroke and the Ireland's lving out their days in that home, there aren't any family stories about Ireland. I have found that Julia's daughter spelled her mother's maiden name as Kealy and Julia's son, the doctor, spelled his mother's name as Keeley. That doesn't help matters. Bonnie From: History-Family Researchers <cara_links@yahoo.com> To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20060826203915.94956.qmail@web30214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Wicklow] Roe/Ireland/Keeley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You need to discount family lore for now and approach the areas that these names are found  most common in. Brides married in their own parishes so perhaps, the family you seek are border dwellers, thus the names you seek do appear in both counties. Do you have any idea at all where these children were born,and  if the young man stated Co Wexford on his marriage cert I would certainly not be discounting Co Wexford. Given time I will check the CoI records but I need time. CAra

The John Roe family left Ireland and remained intact in Alice Twp, near Pembroke Ontario.  John appears on the 1861 census in Alice.  He is the last listed for that census and township.  No family is listed but this could be an omission.  Either he went alone and first to Alice and the others followed or they were just left off the census, I do not know.  There is great confusion about the dates of birth of the children and their date of immigration and they vary with each census.  John Roe married Mary Ann Keeley.  She had two sisters, known, Julia and Bridget.  John and Mary Ann had 6 known children.  Robert (abt 1841), Nicolas (1845), Julia (1851), John and Elizabeth Frances (1856) , and Edward (1862).  On the 1881 Canada census a son, George, is listed as born in ON in 1863.  We are trying to find him.  Family lore has someone in this family going to the US and it seems it can only be him.  Family lore very clearly repeats that this family was from Enniskerry, County Wicklow.  I recently found on the marriage reg. for John Jr. that he lists being born in Wexford.  That came from left field!  I have paid for some research in Enniskerry and nothing was found.  They were very C of E and I can't believe that there were no baptisms.  I know that the Keeley's are connected and somehow the Ireland's are also.  This was all back in Ireland before any of them left. Julia and Bridget Keeley appear to have immigrated to the Boston, MA area before 1861. Julia married a Portugese sailor but moved to Pembroke ON to be near her sister. Bridget was a servant and never left the Boston area nor married. In 1889 brother and sister Frederick and Emily Ireland immigrate to New York. They are with Julia's family on the 1891 census in Pembroke ON. They then both go to the NY area, he to become a ship's doctor and she a nurse. In 1880, their father, William Ireland, immigrates to Connecticut. Fred and Emily must have been left in Ireland. It appears on the 1900 US census that William married a second time in Connecticut so I am guessing that his wife died before 1880 and he left the children to immigrate to the US. William was born about 1850. I am guessing that his first wife was a Keeley. That would establish the "cousin" relationship of Fred and Emily to Julia's children. I am trying again on my own as funds limit paying for a lot of searching in Ireland. I need help! Bonnie

You need to discount family lore for now and approach the areas that these names are found most common in. Brides married in their own parishes so perhaps, the family you seek are border dwellers, thus the names you seek do appear in both counties. Do you have any idea at all where these children were born,and if the young man stated Co Wexford on his marriage cert I would certainly not be discounting Co Wexford. Given time I will check the CoI records but I need time. CAra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Could I suggest yet again that you post this request about your family on the Co Wexford list as well Looking also at the spelling Rowe cARA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Bonnie - I don't know Enniskerry in Co.Wicklow, but Enniscorthy in Co.Wexford came to mind, and thought I'd just mention that possible confusion. Our family lore proved to be completely wrong in both a County Carlow/County Wicklow case and also in a County Wicklow/County Dublin case. So, just a thought, for what it's worth. Sharon <snip>There is great confusion about the dates of birth of the children and their date of immigration and they vary with each census. <snip> Family lore very clearly repeats that this family was from Enniskerry, County Wicklow. I recently found on the marriage reg. for John Jr. that he lists being born in Wexford. That came from left field! I have paid for some research in Enniskerry and nothing was found. They were very C of E and I can't believe that there were no baptisms. Bonnie ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== Oh no you cant retire from family research, what would you do all day then? ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Cyril, I recently sent 11 letters to Ireland (counties Kilkenny and Waterford) asking for any information they might have on my ancestors. I tried to make the letter friendly and mentioned how many years I have been trying. I also included a photo of my greatgrandfather. On the back of the the photo I printed a "crib sheet" of sorts with his name, birth year, baptismal place, baptismal sponsors names, parents names and place of marriage. I sent no Irish or international reply stamps - just my return snail and email addresses. I put enough info on the back of the photo, hoping someone might put into a pocket or purse and take it to the pub - or wherever, and show it around. I have been surprised. Within 2 weeks I received one really nice letter and one great email. The letter gave me some ideas of where I might be able to get additional information. The email was wonderful; he asked for some additional information. He told me that parts of his family are in or near the areas mentioned in the letter and on the photo. He is going to them for possible information on a connection. He said he was "excited" to receive my letter/photo. I am now waiting to see if I receive any more replies. I tried sending letters about 7 years ago with 1 reply. Some info in the letter was helpful, but no positive connection information. Nothing ventured; nothing gained. Maureen N

Cyril, Thanks a lot for that information. I did not realize that clicking on the beginning letter(s) would result in additional information. I am going back to look for more of my family names to see if I can find additional listings. Maureen N

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on responses to any snail mails you send out Bonnie1 The Irish although they love talking they only write to family members as a rule. It's a Clannish thing where every letter is dotted with TG's, PG's etc..plus of course the cost of postage is somewhat high here in Ireland, so returns (if not covered by the correct self addressed AND stamped envelope the returns would be around 5% of the letters you post out (if that in fact!). Internal mails cost around the US$.62c mark, Aus$.81c and Canadian it is $0.70c overseas mails are far higher of course. To get any response at all you would really need a book of Irish stamps for overseas postage returns. (I always look at the negative side of things, always having been in Politics!) But, I wish you luck. slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Is anyone on this list living in the area around Enniskerry. I am trying to > get addresses out of a phone book for any Kealy/Keeley living in the area so > I can write to them hoping for family connections. > > There is a connection around 1850 between the John Roes, a family of Keeleys > with daughters Mary Ann, Bridget, and Julia, and an Ireland family with a son > named William. William Ireland immigrated to Connecticut about 1880 after > the death of his wife. His children were Frederick and Emily Frances. Mary > Ann Keeley married John Roe before 1840. They immigrated to Canada about > 1860. > > All of these families are from the Enniskerry/Wicklow and Wexford area. > > Bonnie > in California > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > You have finally found the information you needed to solve the family mystery you have been working on for 2 years and your elderly aunt says " I could have told you that!" > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

No ROE's for Wicklow in the Eircom phone book? I don't know what book you are looking in Maureen, given that County Wicklow also encompasses the listings in the Greater Dublin and surrounding areas I found some 114 listings and in the Co. Wexford area for the the name ROE I have some 14 listings! When searching this phone book listings in Ireland, if you get a negative response you have the option to use the variable names listings (I'd call them the soundex version). Go through these and see how you get on. I think Maureen you may be looking for the name ROES itself. Yes in this context there are indeed no listings as you do get the message: Search Results You are here: Home > Search Results No Records have been found in your search. But underneath this you get the following: To begin your search, please click on the first letter of the surname of the person you are looking for and then select their surname from the list below. A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z Please select an option below to further refine your search, or just select a surname from the list below. R RA RB RC RD RE RF RG RH RI RJ RK RL RM RN RO RP RQ RR RS RT RU RV RW RX RY RZ Click on the "R" and go through these (this also applies to all name searches). It's as easy as Pie when you get into the Irish Logic (but don't forget those who would be Ex-Directory who are out there also) hiding in the bushes like me! slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman Eire. IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Bonnie, > > I looked at the Eircom online phone book for Roes; I found none. However, > there are Keeleys in counties Wicklow and Wexford. > > Go to: > > > _http://159.134.203.172/search.asp?source=Eircom_ (http://159.134.203.172/search.asp?source=Eircom) > > and fill in the boxes to access the addresses and phone numbers. > > Maureen N > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > You find your family in the census and write to the county where they lived for 40 years, only to receive a letter stating all the county records burned > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

Hi Bonnie, Do you have any info on John Roe's family? I have Roe connections from the area a bit earlier and would love to connect. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Trunthsams@aol.com Date: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:10 pm Subject: [Wicklow] addresses around in Wicklow > Is anyone on this list living in the area around Enniskerry. I > am trying to > get addresses out of a phone book for any Kealy/Keeley living in > the area so > I can write to them hoping for family connections. > > There is a connection around 1850 between the John Roes, a family > of Keeleys > with daughters Mary Ann, Bridget, and Julia, and an Ireland family > with a son > named William. William Ireland immigrated to Connecticut about > 1880 after > the death of his wife. His children were Frederick and Emily > Frances. Mary > Ann Keeley married John Roe before 1840. They immigrated to > Canada about > 1860. > > All of these families are from the Enniskerry/Wicklow and Wexford > area. > Bonnie > in California > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > You have finally found the information you needed to solve the > family mystery you have been working on for 2 years and your > elderly aunt says " I could have told you that!" > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn > more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi everyone. I am looking for the burial of Jemima BEDDY please. NAI Irish Will Register MFGS 43/4 Folio Jemima BEDDY Hartwell, County Kildare d 8 Jan 1832. Date of will 13 Jun 1828. Executor Dorothea CULLODEN spinster. Residence Belmont near Wexford. Prerogative Court £400. 4 Feb 1832. All the property including Textrix's interest in the lands in Rathdrum. [ Diocese Glendalough, Co Wicklow ] equally between Dorothea CULLODEN daughter and grandaughter Jemima ROWAN. This legatee taken the ready money in addition. House goods £10-0-00, Leases £300-0-00, Cash £ 70-00. Total £387-0-00 I do hope some one can help. Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney.

Bonnie, I looked at the Eircom online phone book for Roes; I found none. However, there are Keeleys in counties Wicklow and Wexford. Go to: _http://159.134.203.172/search.asp?source=Eircom_ (http://159.134.203.172/search.asp?source=Eircom) and fill in the boxes to access the addresses and phone numbers. Maureen N