Mary I am sorry that I don't have any information on the Pearce and Weir families. My note to the list was really to let folk know that I have a list of the Records that have been lodged with the Representative Church Body Library in Dublin. The List gives the years covered for Baptisms, Marriages and Burials. Sorry I can't be of more help. I am sure Cara will have something for you at some stage. Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Louise Lidbetter" <berrywalk@shoal.net.au> To: <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Locating Parish Records to review... > Dear Joyce, > I would certainly love any information that you may have on the Pearce, > and > Weir families of Shillelagh and Tinahely. Thank you in anticipation. > Mary L. Lidbetter, Berry NSW australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce" <joytun@utvinternet.com> > To: <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:15 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Locating Parish Records to review... > > >> Jeff >> Just to update you on the COI Church records for Kilcommon. The >> following >> are now available at the RCB Library in Dublin. >> Baptisms 1813-2002 >> Marriages 1817-1955 >> Burials 1814-2001 >> >> If you need any information on other COI Church records I have a 2005 >> List >> here. >> Good luck with your research >> Joyce >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jeff Jernegan" <jeff@jernegan.net> >> To: <irl-wiCKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:40 PM >> Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Locating Parish Records to review... >> >> >>> Cyril Newsome - can you help? >>> >>> Mary Villaba (and I among others) are looking for family of one William >>> Brownrigg (b. 1785 Mullins, Kilcommon, Wicklow, d. 1849 Quebec, Canada) >>> m. >>> in Co. Wicklow Jane Morris (b. 1783 Ireland, d. 1875 Quebec, Canada), >>> emigrated to Canada about 1823, 5 children born in Co. Wicklow: William >>> 1804; Catherine 1809; Jane 1811; Susannah 1812; Stephen 1819; two more >>> born in Canada. >>> >>> Brownriggs were generally COI, but some families converted to RC. >>> >>> (1) A gravestone in Canada says William Brownrigg was born in Mullins, >>> Kilcommon, Wicklow. I believe that is Mullans North or South, 4-6 km >>> northwest of Tinahely town, Kilcommon, Co. Wicklow. >>> >>> Can you please tell us the RC parish for those townlands? >>> >>> (2) The Wicklow Family History Center in the Gaol in Wicklow town >>> reports >>> that the Kilcommon, Tinahely COI parish records exist: Baptisms: >>> 1814-1900; Marriages: 1817-1875; and Deaths: 1802-1900.< >>> http://www.irish-roots.net/wicklow.asp>. >>> >>> Can you please advise us where those records (and any RC parish records >>> for the same townlands) could be viewed (ie microfilms) outside of the >>> Wicklow FHC? >>> >>> Mary is off to Ireland shortly and I am back in the USA now. >>> >>> Thank you so much >>> >>> -------------------------------- >>> Jeffrey L. Jernegan >>> -------------------------------- >>> Richmond, VA >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jeff Just to update you on the COI Church records for Kilcommon. The following are now available at the RCB Library in Dublin. Baptisms 1813-2002 Marriages 1817-1955 Burials 1814-2001 If you need any information on other COI Church records I have a 2005 List here. Good luck with your research Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Jernegan" <jeff@jernegan.net> To: <irl-wiCKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Locating Parish Records to review... > Cyril Newsome - can you help? > > Mary Villaba (and I among others) are looking for family of one William > Brownrigg (b. 1785 Mullins, Kilcommon, Wicklow, d. 1849 Quebec, Canada) m. > in Co. Wicklow Jane Morris (b. 1783 Ireland, d. 1875 Quebec, Canada), > emigrated to Canada about 1823, 5 children born in Co. Wicklow: William > 1804; Catherine 1809; Jane 1811; Susannah 1812; Stephen 1819; two more > born in Canada. > > Brownriggs were generally COI, but some families converted to RC. > > (1) A gravestone in Canada says William Brownrigg was born in Mullins, > Kilcommon, Wicklow. I believe that is Mullans North or South, 4-6 km > northwest of Tinahely town, Kilcommon, Co. Wicklow. > > Can you please tell us the RC parish for those townlands? > > (2) The Wicklow Family History Center in the Gaol in Wicklow town reports > that the Kilcommon, Tinahely COI parish records exist: Baptisms: > 1814-1900; Marriages: 1817-1875; and Deaths: 1802-1900.< > http://www.irish-roots.net/wicklow.asp>. > > Can you please advise us where those records (and any RC parish records > for the same townlands) could be viewed (ie microfilms) outside of the > Wicklow FHC? > > Mary is off to Ireland shortly and I am back in the USA now. > > Thank you so much > > -------------------------------- > Jeffrey L. Jernegan > -------------------------------- > Richmond, VA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Joyce; Do you have any lists for the church of Ireland from 1829 on My grandmother and her family attended the Church of Ireland Coolross Wicklow Look forward to you reply Margaret O'Donoghue Enright Burlington, Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-wicklow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:16 PM To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Locating Parish Records to review... Jeff Just to update you on the COI Church records for Kilcommon. The following are now available at the RCB Library in Dublin. Baptisms 1813-2002 Marriages 1817-1955 Burials 1814-2001 If you need any information on other COI Church records I have a 2005 List here. Good luck with your research Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Jernegan" <jeff@jernegan.net> To: <irl-wiCKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Locating Parish Records to review... > Cyril Newsome - can you help? > > Mary Villaba (and I among others) are looking for family of one William > Brownrigg (b. 1785 Mullins, Kilcommon, Wicklow, d. 1849 Quebec, Canada) m. > in Co. Wicklow Jane Morris (b. 1783 Ireland, d. 1875 Quebec, Canada), > emigrated to Canada about 1823, 5 children born in Co. Wicklow: William > 1804; Catherine 1809; Jane 1811; Susannah 1812; Stephen 1819; two more > born in Canada. > > Brownriggs were generally COI, but some families converted to RC. > > (1) A gravestone in Canada says William Brownrigg was born in Mullins, > Kilcommon, Wicklow. I believe that is Mullans North or South, 4-6 km > northwest of Tinahely town, Kilcommon, Co. Wicklow. > > Can you please tell us the RC parish for those townlands? > > (2) The Wicklow Family History Center in the Gaol in Wicklow town reports > that the Kilcommon, Tinahely COI parish records exist: Baptisms: > 1814-1900; Marriages: 1817-1875; and Deaths: 1802-1900.< > http://www.irish-roots.net/wicklow.asp>. > > Can you please advise us where those records (and any RC parish records > for the same townlands) could be viewed (ie microfilms) outside of the > Wicklow FHC? > > Mary is off to Ireland shortly and I am back in the USA now. > > Thank you so much > > -------------------------------- > Jeffrey L. Jernegan > -------------------------------- > Richmond, VA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 1.1739 (20060904) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

Sorry, no. I was on a search for BROWNRIGG, MORRIS and a few other names. Jeff Jernegan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Louise Lidbetter" <berrywalk@shoal.net.au> To: <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Graves at Kilcommon COI Church, Tinahely,Co. Wicklow > Do you have any information on any other graves at the Church of Ireland > Tinahely or know where I may be able to get information on Weir or Pashley > graves. > Mary L. Lidbetter Berry NSW Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Jernegan" <jeff@jernegan.net> > To: <irl-wickLOW-L@rootsweb.com>; <brownrigg@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:16 AM > Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Graves at Kilcommon COI Church, Tinahely, Co. > Wicklow > > >>I visited the graveyard at Kilcommon COI Church, Tinahely, Co. Wicklow on >> Aug 4, 2006 and recorded these stones: >>

Joyce, I would love to know what records are at the RCB for two parishes: Donaghmore and Kiltegan. I know there are Donaghmore records there but I'm not sure just what all they cover. I have been told all the Kiltegan ones are missing, at least for the early 19th century which is what I would need. Wicklow County, of course. Shirley

I visited the graveyard at Kilcommon COI Church, Tinahely, Co. Wicklow on Aug 4, 2006 and recorded these stones: (1) [next to two illegible flat stones] In loving memory of Georgina H. Brownrigg youngest daughter of William Brownrigg of Mullins, Tinaheley She entered into rest 21st Feby 1909 aged 68 years also her sister Anna Elizabeth who died 1st Nov 1909 aged 70 years (2) [adjacent stone of identical design and possibly age] In Loving Memory of Annie E. Bolster widow of John Bolster MD Tinahely and elder daughter of Wentworth Taylor Tinahely She died 27th July 1921 aged 56 years also her sister Kathleen Jane Taylor Mill Lodge Tinaheley Died 12th January 1953 (3) [alone in a separate plot] Erected in fond rememberance of our dear father Andrew Morris Who died 15th June 188[9] at Cross House also his infant son JAMES LITTLE And his only daughter ALICE BROWN MORRIS who died 2nd June 1919 aged 27 years WILLIAM R. MORRIS M.P.S.I. Who died 20th Dec 1937 aged 54 years Photo of (1) & (2) available. transcribed from notes by Jeff Jernegan

Cara. Thank you. I've just realised I've given her birthday as 5th December, I means 6th! Anna

Below is the last of the websites/webpages that other listers have kindly sent to me - assisting me in replacing my lost favorites after my hard drive crashed. This one is a little different in that it is all Illinois, US government, and Chicago Archdiocese websites related to geneology. Again, these websites/webpages are being sent as they were received. They have only been checked to make certain they are valid addresses and that they are not offensive. Thanks again for all your help. Maureen N US/Illinois Govt. archive links/Chicago history and geneo misc. _http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/archives.html_ (http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/archives.html) _http://catalog.loc.gov/_ (http://catalog.loc.gov/) _http://www.neiu.edu/~neiulib/about/libcollections/irad.html_ (http://www.neiu.edu/~neiulib/about/libcollections/irad.html) _http://www.archives.gov/_ (http://www.archives.gov/) _http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/_ (http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/) _http://www.loc.gov/rr/genealogy/lhg.html#bibl_ (http://www.loc.gov/rr/genealogy/lhg.html#bibl) _http://aad.archives.gov/aad/index.jsp_ (http://aad.archives.gov/aad/index.jsp) _http://ngs2006.blogspot.com/2006/05/chicago-area-libraries_30.html_ (http://ngs2006.blogspot.com/2006/05/chicago-area-libraries_30.html) l _http://www.chgogs.org/_ (http://www.chgogs.org/) _http://www.chicagogenealogy.com/online.html_ (http://www.chicagogenealogy.com/online.html) _http://www.mollx.com/_ (http://www.mollx.com/) _www.newberry.org/genealogy/collections.html_ (http://www.newberry.org/genealogy/collections.html) _http://www.cookcountyassessor.com/filings/searchflat//search.asp_ (http://www.cookcountyassessor.com/filings/searchflat/search.asp) Chicago Archdiocese/Cemeteries _http://www.chcweb.com/chcindex.htm_ (http://www.chcweb.com/chcindex.htm) _http://www.archdiocese-chgo.org/_ (http://www.archdiocese-chgo.org/) _http://www.cathcemchgo.org/home.htm_ (http://www.cathcemchgo.org/home.htm)

No, I did not pursue parish records as a separate goal. Since that placename "Mullins" is your best lead, I expect you will concentrate on exhausting the information available for the locality. I found a Mullans North and a Mullans South townland on my Ordinance Survey Map #62. They are about 1/2 way between Tinahely (Co. Wicklow) and Hackettstown (Co. Carlow) on the west slopes of a large hill/small mountain. They are in Co. Wicklow, at map coordinates 02 and 77. The Irish Ancestors site <http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/placenames/index.cfm?UserID=> lists no "Mullins"but does list: "Mullans", Co. Wicklow, Civil Parish Rathsallagh, Poor Law Union Baltinglass: "Mullans North", Co. Wicklow, Civil Parish Kilcommon (Ballinacor), Poor Law Union Shillelagh, "Mullans South", [same as North...] The IreAtlas Townland site < http://www.seanruad.com/> found no Mullins but did find: Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province Mullans 7 Wicklow Upper Talbotstown Rathsallagh Baltinglass Leinster Mullans North 548 Wicklow Ballinacor South Kilcommon Shillelagh Leinster Mullans South 536 Wicklow Ballinacor South Kilcommon Shillelagh Leinster The Kilcommon/Shillelagh area is in the general area that Brownriggs are found from the 1700s to the 1800s - NE. Co. Carlow - across S. Co Wicklow amd N. Co. Wexford. I saw deeds and other registered documents listing places all around. There are probably deeds relating to that very place but unless you check for them in Dublin I don't think you'll have time to get them from the LDS. The Mullans South townland is 4 kilometers from Tinahely town, the location of the Kilcommon COI parish church. The Wicklow Family History Center in the Gaol in Wicklow town reports that the Kilcommon, Tinahely COI parish records exist: Baptisms: 1814-1900; Marriages: 1817-1875; and Deaths: 1802-1900.<http://www.irish-roots.net/wicklow.asp>. I have written Cyril N for help locating the actual records, and the RC records. Although Brownriggs were generally COI, I've found some in RC graveyards, so one should check there also to be complete. If you check parish records for marriages & baptisms you may more easily be able to link families than with just gravestone records. Please post your findings... Give me a call and we can talk about possible methods for finding the deeds quickly. Jeff Jernegan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Villalba" <estre68132@msn.com> To: "Jeffrey Latham Jernegan" <jlj@jerneganlaw.net>; <brownrigg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [BROWNRIGG] [IRL-WICKLOW] Fw: RED ROSES AT DAWN > Hi, Jeff: Ok, but that is very limited...all I have is the stone in > Canada..."Mullins, Kilcommon, Wicklow." Did you find, or look for, a > parish there?

Cyril Newsome - can you help? Mary Villaba (and I among others) are looking for family of one William Brownrigg (b. 1785 Mullins, Kilcommon, Wicklow, d. 1849 Quebec, Canada) m. in Co. Wicklow Jane Morris (b. 1783 Ireland, d. 1875 Quebec, Canada), emigrated to Canada about 1823, 5 children born in Co. Wicklow: William 1804; Catherine 1809; Jane 1811; Susannah 1812; Stephen 1819; two more born in Canada. Brownriggs were generally COI, but some families converted to RC. (1) A gravestone in Canada says William Brownrigg was born in Mullins, Kilcommon, Wicklow. I believe that is Mullans North or South, 4-6 km northwest of Tinahely town, Kilcommon, Co. Wicklow. Can you please tell us the RC parish for those townlands? (2) The Wicklow Family History Center in the Gaol in Wicklow town reports that the Kilcommon, Tinahely COI parish records exist: Baptisms: 1814-1900; Marriages: 1817-1875; and Deaths: 1802-1900.< http://www.irish-roots.net/wicklow.asp>. Can you please advise us where those records (and any RC parish records for the same townlands) could be viewed (ie microfilms) outside of the Wicklow FHC? Mary is off to Ireland shortly and I am back in the USA now. Thank you so much -------------------------------- Jeffrey L. Jernegan -------------------------------- Richmond, VA

Hello all: I am hoping someone out there will be able to help me or at least point me in the right direction. I have children of Martin Keogh/Kehoe and Mary Reilly either born or baptized in Valleymount Parish, Diocese of Dublin. I have written to the local catholic church in Valleymount and he has replied that he has no record of any of them. Any suggestions of where to go next. These records are from Wicklow Family Heritage Center. Maria F. Keogh / Kehoe born or baptized July 24, 1836 John Bernard " " March 28, 1837 Charles J " " 1839 Bartholomew " " 1842 Ann F " " 1842 Thanks Mary Hall

leave this with me petal and just give me time Cara --- AnnaDinahThomas@aol.com wrote: > I sent off for my mothers birth certificate but I've > had a letter saying > this couldn't be found. I know that she was born in > Ireland and that the family > lived at Bray Head. She was was born on 5th > December 1920/21, her mother. > Anna Walsh was Irish, but her father.Frederick > George Brown, English. They > were Catholics and I believe they lived in Bri > Cuallan. Where can I find > olline indexes so I can obtain the certificate. > Thank you. > > Anna Thomas > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

William, I noticed that the dates attached to the names you posted start about 1868. Did you transcribe any earlier dated from RC church records? I am looking for an Elizabeth Fox who married a Thomas Hickey. They had a daughter, Elizabeth, 15 May 1856. The daughter was born/ baptised in Co Carlow - just across the Wicklow border. There is no listing of the birth or marriage of either of the parents in Carlow, so I assume that they were probably from Wicklow originally. Thanks for any info you might have. Maureen N

Right, now we're getting somewhere Bonnie, the available records for the Church of Ireland, in the Republic of Ireland, are only available here, through the RCB (Representative Church Body Library) but information on what records, can be had by mailing them through their site at: http://www.ireland.anglican.org/library/index.html The Northern Ireland records can be got from PRONI (the Public Records Office of Northern Ireland)their website is: http://www.proni.gov.uk/ Now I've not had anything to do with this last location as I don't have any of my lines (as yet), identified in Northern Ireland. Any dealings I have had with the RCB in Dublin have been Courteous, a fast response time and informative. See: www.ireland.anglican.org/library/libroots.html I hope these will be informative enough for you. You say: "William IRELAND was born about 1850 in Northern Ireland" There are 61 IRELAND Households for Northern Ireland in Griffiths' Valuations. Those of the name William (lets assume that he was named after his father for now). We have: 2 x Williams living in Antrim 1 x William living in Armagh 1 x William living in Down 1 x William Jr. and 1 x William Snr. living in Down Now if William IRELAND b. 1850 was in fact named after his father, "William" then he would have to be one of the above? Is this of any use to you? slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman... irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com wrote: > > At least this is getting to be a lively discussion! I have learned that > several letters capitalized are the abbreviation for an actual town and that you > in Ireland are familar with this format. And I will capitalize all names, > and yes, I do appreciate any help. > > John ROE married Mary Ann KEELEY about 1838 in Ireland. They were born > about 1812-1814. > Julia KEELEY c. 1824 and Bridget KEELEY left Ireland unmarried about 1855 for > America. They are Mary Ann's sisters. > William IRELAND was born about 1850 in Northern Ireland. I believe he > married a KEELEY female in Ireland. Enniskerry is the location are supposed to > have lived. I have no family histories before these marriages. > > John ROE's children all born in Ireland are > Robert c. 1842 > Nicholas c. 1844 > Julia c 1848 > John and Elizabeth Frances (twins) c 1850 > Edward T. "Ned" c.1853 > > William IRELAND's children born in Ireland are > Frederick William c.1858 > Emily Frances c 1856 > > KEELEY might be spelled KEALY but it is not known which is correct. All > three families are Church of Ireland and not Catholic. > > Thanks! > Bonnie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

Is anyone researching DOYLES in the Kilmachanoagh area? They owned Sugarloaf farm for many generations. I am primarily looking for Sean DOYLE b. abt 1830 He was the father or grandfather of Denis b. abt 1880. Denis married Margaret O"BRIEN in 1910 and they had 14 children of whom I have brief details passed on by family members. Margaret came from Locharnstown. This is a new branch I am researching. Any help would be appreciated. Many thanks Marion

I've just spotted a posting by Cara on the list Mary, so for now I will bite my tongue....Mmmmmmmmmmm! (She's over here I see, probably looking to kill me?) Sad to see we have given out so much information to people over the years and get no thanks in return! I gave the lists up for over a year and if one or two others did the same the lists would be dead. I'm sort of back now (with a vengeance some would say) so I'll say what I think, until Cara kicks me off. If I can help you I will, but there are others out there sitting on something they got for free and not contributing to the list (I've heard mention of that somewhere before). So, if you have it, get it out and help someone else! I have 5x40gb hard drives here full of information but to find it now is too much of a task, just try looking through all that information! It's not all Wicklow (very little of it is really)some Wexford and other Counties where I am diggin up my NEWSOME lot. Anyone doing a one name study is ideal! I concentrate on my own stuff which is mostly music these days with genealogy now taking a back seat. Only now and again do I rise my Head, Teeth and Gums to it. slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman. (thanks for the compliment by the way!) irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com wrote: > > I'm getting a huge kick out of Cyril; teeth, gums and all! It has been a while since any talk of BROWNRIGG has come up and I'm still trying to tie, what seem to be two lines, together. I'm also hoping to meet at least one relative when I get over there in November. So, Cyril.....any leads?? > thanks, > m > Mary Villalba > AZTEC Communications > 303-290-8415 Tele > Distinguished Governor > Rocky Mountain District Kiwanis International 2003-2004 > "A global organization of volunteers, dedicated to changing the world, one child and one community at a time." > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cnews@eircom.net<mailto:cnews@eircom.net> > To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 3:05 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] my search and my present learning curve > > > > Now Bonnie, > > It's me again the one that bites!...Lol > > Now to start with let's get something sorted for you that will help everyone! > You are mentioning Ireland as a name and also the country of. To avoid confusion in the posts you need to capitalise the name of IRELAND and leave the country as Ireland, likewise the names of ROE and KEELEY. This lets us know exactly where we are going. > > There was a ROE actually living in the town of NMK in the 1848-64 period as head of household who could be something to your ROE. It might be possible that your ROE was actually born in Wexford on a visit to the County or maybe his family were temporarily in the area working? Coincidence, maybe? > > Other Roes in Co.wexford number 54 as head of Household, in 15 locations what I would consider to be North Wexford, (that's North to me anyway) I live South of Wexford Town. > > 6 of these locations are in the Gorey area (nearest to Co. Wicklow) which is further North than the 10 in the area of Enniscorthy and one listed in Mountmellick. > > The other Roe's are identified as being further South of Enniscorthy (I am including New/Old Ross in this). > > What is really needed is someone local to Wicklow to go and find any marriages in the Registrars Office in Wicklow Town for your ROE/KEELEY/IRELAND names and have them cross referenced. > > Parish records for NMK (the Town of Newtown Mount Kennedy, Newtown Mountkennedy and Mounkennedy Demesne) come under the Parish of Newcastle Upper, which in turn, comes under the Roman Catholic Parish of Kilquade. > And yes, there is ONE entry for a Robert ROE shown as living in the Town of Newtown Mountkennedy for the period of 1848-64. > > Births from August 1826 - June1855 then broken until Dec. 1861 - Feb. 1863. > > Marriages August 1826 - Sept.29th. 1862 then a break until Nov.4th. 1862 - Nov. 1880. > > These records are available on film no.6478 at the NLI or possibly any one of your big library's in the States/Canada etc.. > > The records for the other place (as I like to call it), The Wicklow Family Heritage Centre, show they have records from 1826 - 1900 for all categories of entries, they "BORROWED" the Parish registers, hence the extended dateline. BUT, they do not mention the breaks in the records. > > THERE ARE NO DEATH OR BURIAL RECORDS ON FILM. > > What you now need to do, is forget all what you are posting and edit it all down to actual names and dates and not mention your American information. > > WE only need to know WHO, WHAT, WHERE and WHEN in Ireland. American research really confuses the hell out of us here, most of what I find personally, is that you are all being ripped off over there with false information from Money grabbers who know nothing about Irish research on the basis that most of you there will never, ever, get over to Ireland to do any research! > > YES, I do shoot from the LIP! > I BITE, but with soft gums! > > Now concentrate on what YOU want from Ireland, without all that American stuff! > > > slan > Cyril Newsome > Loch Garman. > > > > irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > I am so happy to at least find a discussion of my Roe/Ireland/Keeley post, > > but your "learning curves" are far past mine. I don't understand the letters > > used relative to towns and addresses. I do see that it was possible about > > 1830-1840 or so that a Roe married a Keeley, Keeley females went to the US about > > 1855, a Keeley most likely married an Ireland about then, and they all began > > to leave Ireland and met up, eventually living in Pembroke, Ontario by 1890. > > > > At this point I think my searching in Ireland is only during 1830-1865 for > > these families only. With only one reference to Wexford, the birth of Robert > > Roe about 1840 on his marriage registration, I think that most of what happened > > was in or around Enniskerry. > > > > Going only on the ship's lists, there are a lot of John Roe's. There are > > over 10 William Ireland's with two in Norwalk, Connecticut. Nicholas seems to > > be the oddball first name, Nicholas Roe born about 1844. John Roe Jr is > > named after his father, but he is not the first born son, Robert is. Julia Roe > > is named after her aunt, Julia Keeley. There is an Emily Ireland and Julia's > > daughter is also Emily. Frances is the middle name twice. So. . I wish > > I was looking for an unusual name, but apparently not. > > > > Most of you are experts in Irish research compared to my fledgling posts. I > > have a map of Ireland, the names, and I live in California. I guess the > > dream post is to get a response from an Ireland or Keeley or Roe living around > > Enniskerry. Hit me over the head and point me in the right direction. 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On recent trip to Dublin copied FOX entries from RC parish records and/or civil records and collated into family units. This information is as I read it therefore some names of obviously the same person appear misspelled: FRANCIS FOX of Ballinapark; son of William FOX and Sarah of Ballinapark married ELIZABETH SLATER of Newrath Bridge: daughter of William and Catherine of Newrath Bridge. Witnesses were William Malion and Rose Malion both of Ballinapark. There is a notation that this couple was married in the Protestant Church; that Elizabeth is Anglican. (Ashford RC parish microfiche P6478-11Oct 1868 ) This marriage was recorded in civil record as occurring 17 Aug 1868. Francis' occupation was land steward as was his father. Elizabeth has a ditto mark under Francis in the occupation column; her father was a bricklayer. The marriage was performed in the COI parish church Wicklow by Henry Rooke, curate in the presence of Thomas T. Robinson and E. Sayers. Their children I found were: a.. WILLIAM Fox b. 4 Nov. 1868 in Ballinapark and baptized 6 Nov in the Ashford RC Parish church. Sponsors were William and Rosa Mallon. (microfiche P6477). b.. CHARLES FOX b. 24 Feb 1872 in Ballinapark and baptized 26 Feb in the Ashford RC church. Sponsors were Charles Mallon and Rosanna Mallon (microfiche P6477). c.. JOHN FOX b. 15 Jan 1875 in Ballinapark and baptized 15 Jan in the Ashford RC church . Sponsors were Patrick Mallins and Joanna ?usale?-illegible. (microfiche P6477) WILLIAM FOX and SARAH BRYAN(BRIEN) were married but I could find no record of the date. Their children I found were: a.. SARAH FOX of Ballinapark was baptized 1 Mar 1865. Sponsors were Robert Fox and Mary Brien. (P6477) b.. WILLIAM FOX of Ballynapark was baptized 3 Mar 1867. Sponsors were Patrick Mallon and Rosa Mallon. (P6477). c.. JAMES FOX b. 5 July 1869 in of Broomfield baptized 10 Jul. Sponsors were Mary Bryan and Thomas Kavanagh. (P6477) d.. JOSEPH FOX b. 18 Nov 1873 in Broomfield baptized 25 Nov. Sponsors were Robert Fox and Eliza Brien. note mother is recorded as Sarah "DOYLE" but believe this is a mistake. (P6477) e.. THOMAS FOX of Broomfield baptized 4 Sep 1875. Sponsors given names were obscured but surnames were Brien and Somers. (P6477) f.. JOHN FOX b. 5 May 187? in Broomfield and baptized 7 May. Sponsors given names were Charles and Mary surnames illegible. (P6477) g.. CATHERINE FOX b. 29 Aug 1880 in Mount Usher and baptized 31 Aug. Sponsors surnames appear to be Wilson. (P6477) h.. ELIZABETH FOX b. 1883. This information provided by Wicklow FHC derived from Ashford Catholic records. ROBERT FOX of Ballinapark was married to MARY BRYAN(BRIEN) of Ballinalea in Bray on 13 January 1869. (notation in Ashford RC parish records P6478). I could find no church record in Bray for this marriage however the civil record states the ceremony was performed by Thomas Doyle who at that time was a RC priest at the Bray RC parish church. Robert's father was William Fox, a land steward, and Mary's father was James Brien, a laborer. I have provided information on this family in prior postings as this is my FOX line. New information found on their children were; a.. ARTHUR FOX b. 29 March 1869 at Ballinapark and baptized 12 April. Sponsors were William Grigon (? sp) and Anne either Bryan or Byrne. (P6477). b.. ROBERT FOX b.1872 and baptized on 21 Jan. Sponsors were Thomas Brien and Margaret Cullen (observed in parish record of St. Patrick's RC church, Wicklow town) c.. WILLIAM FOX b.9 Dec1875 in Tinnakilly(Tinakelly) and baptized 12 Dec at St. Patrick's RC church Wicklow town. Sponsors were Standish Lee and Sarah Kane. (Family records, he is my grandfather) d.. THOMAS FRANCIS FOX b. 9 June 1880 in Bally? and baptized on 13 June. Sponsors were William Fox and Sarah Brien (P6477). e.. other children of this marriage were JAMES FOX b.1873; ; PAT FOX b. 1878; MARY FOX b.1882 and SARAH FOX b.1833. Evidence strongly suggests that WILLIAM, FRANCIS and ROBERT were brothers. Also information not cited above indicates that WILLIAM and ROBERT were married to sisters. Ballinapark, Ballinalea, Broomfield and Tinakelly are townlands located near one another between Ashford and Rathnew. Last year Cyril provided some information on a CHARLES FOX, head gardener at Mount Usher Gardens in from 1900 - 1940s. The CHARLES b. 1872 could be him. Still trying to climb my wall and obtain specific information about WILLIAM FOX the land steward who is identified in civil marriage records as the father of FRANCIS and ROBERT and by inference of their brother WILLIAM. Will post additional info from my trip later. William Fox Bonita, CA USA

I recently made my first trip to Ireland to look for BROWNRIGG family history. I had a wonderful time,and met many cousins related to Jacob BROWNRIGG (1847-1921) who stayed in Ireland on the family farm at Croneyhorn, Co. Wicklow while his four brothers went to North America and settled in the US. I approached locating records in several ways: (1) I went to COI graveyards where my BROWNRIGGS were known to be located, and searched for gravestones. Luckily Cantwell focused on Counties Wexford and Wicklow, so I was really looking for gravestones later than 1880 - those he would have omitted. Besides using my existing research records, I also reviewed Cantwell's index to prepare a list of graveyards I needed to look at. I was partially successful - I got to some 6-7 graveyards and went through them doing a physical review. I did not get into the parish burial records, and I might have missed some. I took pictures and if the stone was not absolutely clear I wrote notes on what I thought I could read. Those notes I photographed into digital format also. But I was not comprehensive, and I am sure that there is more to be obtained from visiting churches and reading gravestones. (2) I talked to family members about family history records. I was able to locate Henry Levingstone of Co. Wexford who is one of the volunteer family historians for his surname and the BROWNRIGGS, (because his three previous LEVINGSTONE male ancestors each married a BROWNRIGG girl). I also found and copied the family bible I had heard of in 2000 and had hoped to see. He opened his files to me and I photographed them using my digital camera. I still have to review and integrate the information into my records. (3) I went to Dublin to look at the records in the National Archives. I did a survey and went through all the card catalogs looking for the surname BROWNRIGG, and was able to find several wills that I had never seen abstracted or transcribed before. Unfortunately they do not allow photography so I was limited to transcribing them in abstract form. I wish I typed faster - they do allow laptops and there are plugs for power. I did not complete looking at their resources - there are many days of work possible there - but I felt those resources have been the subject of most previous research, and I didn't want to waste my time doing what others had done. (4) I looked at the indices to records in the National Library in Dublin. I had heard that they had the indices to the Registry of Deeds on microfilm there, but that the indices were not readily available at the Registry of Deeds offices. I worked about half a day with the Name Index films from 1708 - about 1809, and recorded over 100 cites to memorials involving BROWNRIGGS in that time period. The problem was that the Name Index is listed alphabetically only by Grantors - and not by the Grantee (recipient) of the instrument. I could not directly find the deeds where my family first obtained a property, only where they leased or transferred it. But I found another index at the end of the day - a Place Index, which is sorted by County, Barony, Townland, and Alphabetically by Grantor. In each index the Grantee is listed alongside the Grantor, so it was not difficult to scan all the County Wicklow entries for both Grantees and Grantors of a particular name. I know I can now find all the grantee BROWNRIGGs in Cos Wicklow and Wexford without much trouble or time. My guess presently is that there are perhaps 500 BROWNRIGG documents with registered memorials in the Registry of Deeds from 1708-1900. (5) I looked at records at the Registry of Deeds. What I learned they had was a written 'memorial' (abstract) of actual deeds or instruments, recorded as requested by the parties. After 1708 there was enacted a voluntary mechanism for recording the important terms of transactions in permanent ledgers. Most often they are deeds, and the memorials set out the parties, dates, witnesses and terms of the agreements. I found several marriage settlements (contracts providing for securing the dowry funds transferred to the husband of the bride) and a few wills - those involving lands. Many documents set out the family relationship of the parties - such as a father transferring an annuity in rents to his eldest son... After paying a 6 Euro daily fee I was turned loose in a room with hundreds of the earliest volumes of the Registry. Their pages are original vellum written in ink. Beautiful and most were clearly legible. It was amazing to handle 300-year-old originals. Still no cameras permitted, though there was no nonsense about pencils only, no erasers, etc. I was able to abstract about 25 memorials in the time I had. I have typed my notes of several, and will be posting them. But there are many more left. I think the usefulness of this source is mostly for those who were land-owners - of houses or farms - as they were most likely to register their transactions there. Luckily the BROWNRIGGs and their neighbors were generally well-off enough to have land, leases, marriage settlements and wills. I hope to track by date and location the transactions of the BROWNRIGG families in Cos. Carlow, Wicklow and Wexford. I hope overall to use the information to build earlier families of BROWNRIGGs and push my earliest family members back a few generations. (6) I visited and talked to the woman (sorry - her name is elsewhere in my notes) at the Co. Wicklow Family History Center. She was helpful in directing me to COI parish records, and explaining what she could and could not find for me. I felt that she was conscientious and well-meaning, but as the only employee of the center she was subject to being overworked occasionally . I understand she reads the Wicklow list. (7) I obtained a copy of a book by [Rory] Murphy & Hemmingway (1990): MEMORIALS TO THE DEAD - Askamore, Brideswell, Kilrush COI and Kilrush RC that reports on a comprehensive survey and record of those church graveyards and parish burial records. It was a project of a local group and they did an excellent job of 'reading' the old stones. I understand they used extensive amounts of chalk dust to bring out the cut letters on difficult stones. I've done the same with dust (from dirt in the graveyard) and found it helpful. I was surprised to find BROWNRIGGs in the Kilrush RC graveyard - I have not yet read the book or integrated it into my data. (8) I went to the county library in Co. Wicklow and Co. Wexford asking for local history materials. In Bray (the Co. Wicklow library) I was assisted by the reference librarian who pulled down many items that referenced BROWNRIGGs or the 1798 troubles, and I was able to make many digital photograph copies of relevant pages. In Wexford most materials were in the archives at the headquarters north of Wexford town, so I only reviewed a few new books that had useful materials - especially a book on the clergymen of the COI. (9) I asked about other historical societies but was not able to locate any in the time I had. I am in the process of creating a website for the exchange of BROWNRIGG and related data in digital image format - scans & digital photos. I type so slowly that I thought I would make the digital images I obtained on my trip available to those who might benefit. I hope that anyone who does transcribe any BROWNRIGG information would post it in the appropriate lists so everyone will be able to benefit. I was unable to find time to review the COI parish records at the Dublin repository. The Co. Wicklow family history center had useful advice to locate the existing records. They have it on a printed info form that I think is available online. And I think others on the IRL-WICKLOW list have repeated the information recently. One of my problems researching in Dublin was the short hours available - most govt offices & libraries opened at 10 and closed at 4:30 or 5:00. The Family History Library at 35 North West Temple Street in Salt Lake City is open from 8:00 AM - 9:00 PM Tues-Sat and 8-5 Monday. The last time I was there I found I could access the microfilm drawer files myself, avoiding delays from waiting for a librarian to retrieve the film. And I can print or photograph the film, making copying & recording the useful information much faster. So I thought I would get the rest of the Registry of Deeds materials through the LDS in Salt Lake City. They have filmed all the Registry materials (2400++ rolls) and I can work with the records more efficiently in Salt Lake City. I consider my first trip very successful, but there is still lots to do. I hope you all may be inspired to follow up on your ideas, and share. Jeffrey L. Jernegan -------------------------------- Richmond, VA

Cyril writes: > Sad to see we have given out so much information to people over the years and get no thanks in return! < Shades of Jane Lyons !! She, too, is undergoing a lack of appreciation over on her home county list of Laois. I'll have to admit that my area of interest is not genealogical, but - to tell the truth - it doesn't bother me if I don't get any thanks. My motivation for helping people is not contingent upon receiving approbation. I do it because I want to. If someone wants to thank me, tant mieux. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

I sent off for my mothers birth certificate but I've had a letter saying this couldn't be found. I know that she was born in Ireland and that the family lived at Bray Head. She was was born on 5th December 1920/21, her mother. Anna Walsh was Irish, but her father.Frederick George Brown, English. They were Catholics and I believe they lived in Bri Cuallan. Where can I find olline indexes so I can obtain the certificate. Thank you. Anna Thomas