Really interested in outcome. Was able to visit Old Kilbride on my recent and only trip to Ireland, it must have been beautiful in its day but was so disappointed in the condition of the overgrowth however it was obvious someone was doing their best to keep it accessible. Found a cousin but couldn't find my uncle. Will have to go back, nothing to it. Fell in love with the whole country. Wished I had a chain saw for the gorse and bramble as there were many stones overgrown. Many holes and a rat spotted as well. It was so peaceful looking out to the Irish Sea from a knoll. My next favorite was Castle Macadam just across from the Vale. The main gate was closed with barbed wire and we turned back. The locals said just climb over the wall, everyone does, so we returned and found the side gate was open so in we went with great care. The stinging nettle was a challenge but sounds like we faired better than Cara when she first went to Old Kilbride. Still searching for Beatty or Beattie of Wicklow, one brother John from Shelton and my GGGGGrandfather Thomas who we believe lived in Kilcarra for a bit and possibly Arklow where he married Jane Smith and Wiclow Town before coming to Canada. It was a wonderful wonderful wonderful trip just too short and no nearly enough time to research. Charlene

My Wilson and Willoughby information is as follows (haven't done much...started research on another branch, and got stuck into that) my grandfather - Herbert Charles Wilson b. 1910 Moyne co. Wicklow (siblings Edith, Bill, Albert, Ella) his parents - George Nicholas Wilson b. 1880, Jane Adelaide Strahan (b. 1873 Macreddin to Ellen Plant and William Strahan) **George's siblings were Katie(m.Bourne), Janie (m.Eddy Lawrence, dtr Amy Lawrence. Janie died in childbirth), Thomas (m.Ruth Saul 1896, d.1919), William (m. Catherine Eager 1904 d. 1973? in Co. Wicklow) George's parents - William Wilson, Sarah Ellen Willoughby **do not know the names of George's siblings Sarah's parents - Nicholas and Jane Willoughby (there is a plaque in the Moyne(?) church...Cof I...with their names on it) don't have any further info on the Wilson side. Don't know if this helps anyone...if anyone has info they can share, I'd be thrilled! Thanks, Debbie Vancouver Island ----- Original Message ----- From: "History-Family Researchers" <cara_links@yahoo.com> To: <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Hobson/Driver families > Could the information on these families continue to > flow to the list > as I also am busy doing Willoughby and Moody > and would like to see where this all leads > and Teri could you continue to add your information to > the list not only is it of interest it shows where > research can be done in Ireland > > Cara > --- Deb Penley <d.penley@shaw.ca> wrote: > >> Hi Terri, >> >> My WILSON family was from Kiltegan parish. I will >> send you what information >> I have when I have a few minutes. My gggrandparents >> were WILSON and >> WILLOUGHBY. And apparently there is a connection >> thru marriage to MOODY as >> well. I think we have corresponded before, but not >> sure. >> >> Debbie (in Qualicum Beach BC) >> (ps..moved from Sooke 4 years ago) >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <Teralcock@aol.com> >> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:49 AM >> Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Hobson/Driver families >> >> >> > Hello listers, just back from Ireland, with a few >> answers and many more >> > questions. >> > >> > I am now looking for information about any people >> you may have in your >> > family trees who lived at Muckduff Lower or >> Mungoduff as it was called in >> > the >> > "early" days. This is in the parish of Kiltegan, >> Co. Wicklow. There may >> > be a >> > notation on a tombstone or you may have birth, >> marriage or death >> > information >> > listing Mungoduff as home. I would be most >> interested. And I will >> > supply all >> > the info I have about the families that lived on >> this property of 367 >> > acres. >> > And Muckduff Upper which was only inhabited by >> sheep [483 acres]. The >> > families were mostly C of I, with the farm >> servants being RC. Many of >> > the >> > following individuals are buried at St Peter's >> Church grounds in >> > Kiltegan. >> > >> > Here is the information I have from documents >> obtained at the Valuation >> > Office in Dublin, and I'm hoping to add to it. >> > >> > The property was owned by William W. F. Hume until >> around 1867, when the >> > name changes to William W. F. Dick. Does anyone >> know the story behind >> > that? >> > Later it is owned by William Hume Hume. >> > >> > In 1827, the Tithe Applotment for Mungoduff lists >> the following lessees: >> > [from National Archives, Dublin] >> > Thomas Wilson >> > George Wilson >> > John Moody >> > Robert White >> > Maurice Hawkins >> > George Hawkins >> > And farm servant Thomas Kelly >> > >> > In 1854 Primary Valuation the following >> individuals [and presumably >> > families] are present: >> > John Wilson >> > Thomas Hobson >> > William Driver >> > George Hawkins >> > Anne Alcock >> > William Moody >> > and farm servants Denis Byrne and Thomas Byrne >> > >> > In 1860 the following families are listed: >> > John Wilson >> > Thomas Hobson >> > William Driver >> > George Driver >> > George Alcock >> > William Moody >> > and farm servants Denis Byrne and Thomas Byrne >> > >> > In 1867, the Byrnes are gone and in their places >> are Edward Cusack and >> > Patrick Rooney. >> > >> > In 1877: >> > John Wilson >> > Thomas Hopson [it should be Hobson] >> > William Driver Snr >> > William Driver Jr >> > George Driver >> > Jane Alcock replaces her husband George in 1883 >> > George Moody replaces William in 1878 and then >> George's wife Catherine >> > replaces him in 1883 >> > Farm servants are Edward Cusack and Patrick Rooney >> > >> > In 1893 Edward Cusack is gone and William W. F. >> Dick is replaced by >> > William >> > Hume Hume as Lessor. [no it's not a mistake, his >> middle name appears to be >> > Hume as well as his last name.] >> > >> > In 1894 Jane Alcock is replaced by her son William >> Alcock >> > In 1912 James Toole replaces John Wilson, and then >> Toole is replaced by >> > Nicholas Willoughby in 1920. >> > Thomas Hobson is replaced by John Hobson. [date >> unreadable] >> > Catherine Moody is replaced by William Moody in >> 1919, then Martha Moody >> > replaces him in 1927. >> > Patrick Rooney is replaced by John Rooney in what >> appears to be 1914. >> > In 1951 Nicholas Willoughby is replaced by Thomas >> Alcock who is now an >> > owner >> > rather than lessor. >> > John Hobson is replaced by owner, Miss M. J. >> Alcock, in 1962. >> > William Driver is replaced by Peter Jackson in >> 1956, then Charlotte >> > Jackson >> > in 1978. >> > John Rooney is gone as of 1940. >> > George Driver is replaced by James Hobson in 1953. >> > William Alcock is replaced by son, Thomas Alcock >> in 1939 >> > Martha Moody is replaced by son, Ben Moody in 1942 >> > >> > Not sure if this is of interest to anyone other >> than me. Although I am >> > not >> > related to the Hobsons, Drivers or Wilsons, I >> would love to gather >> > information about them since my families, Alcock >> and Hawkins, lived in >> > close proximity >> > to them over many years. I will post census info >> separately in the hope >> > that it may be of use to someone. >> > >> > Terri Alcock >> > Sooke BC Canada >> > _teralcock@aol.com_ (mailto:teralcock@aol.com) >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to >> > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! 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I agree with you (and possibly others) that CastleMac. is the epitome of Irish graveyards. I do hope that you got the chance to visit the Chapel of Rest at Conary, a well maintained graveyard that includes the graves of Beatties, only a short distance from Avoca.

I have a Tighe family in my data base...... Cara --- Dawn Tighe <dawntighe@hotmail.com> wrote: > Thank you Peggy I really wish this was him but in > 1850 he was in St. Louis > MO married and about to have his daughter. But This > might be a family > member. Gives me somthing to research:-) > > Dawn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <WeadickResearch@aol.com> > To: <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] IRL-WICKLOW Digest, TIGHE > > > >I have one Patrick Tighe, born to Michael Tighe and > Anne Murphy, residence > > Coolahullen. He was Baptized 4 June, 1850. > > Sponsors were Patrick Kenny and Elizabeth Keogh. > Church was Sts. Mary > > and > > Peter's R.C. Chapel in Arklow, Co. Wicklow. > > > > Hope that helps, > > Peggy > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link For just $24.99/mo., Vonage offers unlimited local and long- distance calling. Sign up now. http://www.vonage.com/startsavingnow/

Could the information on these families continue to flow to the list as I also am busy doing Willoughby and Moody and would like to see where this all leads and Teri could you continue to add your information to the list not only is it of interest it shows where research can be done in Ireland Cara --- Deb Penley <d.penley@shaw.ca> wrote: > Hi Terri, > > My WILSON family was from Kiltegan parish. I will > send you what information > I have when I have a few minutes. My gggrandparents > were WILSON and > WILLOUGHBY. And apparently there is a connection > thru marriage to MOODY as > well. I think we have corresponded before, but not > sure. > > Debbie (in Qualicum Beach BC) > (ps..moved from Sooke 4 years ago) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Teralcock@aol.com> > To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:49 AM > Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Hobson/Driver families > > > > Hello listers, just back from Ireland, with a few > answers and many more > > questions. > > > > I am now looking for information about any people > you may have in your > > family trees who lived at Muckduff Lower or > Mungoduff as it was called in > > the > > "early" days. This is in the parish of Kiltegan, > Co. Wicklow. There may > > be a > > notation on a tombstone or you may have birth, > marriage or death > > information > > listing Mungoduff as home. I would be most > interested. And I will > > supply all > > the info I have about the families that lived on > this property of 367 > > acres. > > And Muckduff Upper which was only inhabited by > sheep [483 acres]. The > > families were mostly C of I, with the farm > servants being RC. Many of > > the > > following individuals are buried at St Peter's > Church grounds in > > Kiltegan. > > > > Here is the information I have from documents > obtained at the Valuation > > Office in Dublin, and I'm hoping to add to it. > > > > The property was owned by William W. F. Hume until > around 1867, when the > > name changes to William W. F. Dick. Does anyone > know the story behind > > that? > > Later it is owned by William Hume Hume. > > > > In 1827, the Tithe Applotment for Mungoduff lists > the following lessees: > > [from National Archives, Dublin] > > Thomas Wilson > > George Wilson > > John Moody > > Robert White > > Maurice Hawkins > > George Hawkins > > And farm servant Thomas Kelly > > > > In 1854 Primary Valuation the following > individuals [and presumably > > families] are present: > > John Wilson > > Thomas Hobson > > William Driver > > George Hawkins > > Anne Alcock > > William Moody > > and farm servants Denis Byrne and Thomas Byrne > > > > In 1860 the following families are listed: > > John Wilson > > Thomas Hobson > > William Driver > > George Driver > > George Alcock > > William Moody > > and farm servants Denis Byrne and Thomas Byrne > > > > In 1867, the Byrnes are gone and in their places > are Edward Cusack and > > Patrick Rooney. > > > > In 1877: > > John Wilson > > Thomas Hopson [it should be Hobson] > > William Driver Snr > > William Driver Jr > > George Driver > > Jane Alcock replaces her husband George in 1883 > > George Moody replaces William in 1878 and then > George's wife Catherine > > replaces him in 1883 > > Farm servants are Edward Cusack and Patrick Rooney > > > > In 1893 Edward Cusack is gone and William W. F. > Dick is replaced by > > William > > Hume Hume as Lessor. [no it's not a mistake, his > middle name appears to be > > Hume as well as his last name.] > > > > In 1894 Jane Alcock is replaced by her son William > Alcock > > In 1912 James Toole replaces John Wilson, and then > Toole is replaced by > > Nicholas Willoughby in 1920. > > Thomas Hobson is replaced by John Hobson. [date > unreadable] > > Catherine Moody is replaced by William Moody in > 1919, then Martha Moody > > replaces him in 1927. > > Patrick Rooney is replaced by John Rooney in what > appears to be 1914. > > In 1951 Nicholas Willoughby is replaced by Thomas > Alcock who is now an > > owner > > rather than lessor. > > John Hobson is replaced by owner, Miss M. J. > Alcock, in 1962. > > William Driver is replaced by Peter Jackson in > 1956, then Charlotte > > Jackson > > in 1978. > > John Rooney is gone as of 1940. > > George Driver is replaced by James Hobson in 1953. > > William Alcock is replaced by son, Thomas Alcock > in 1939 > > Martha Moody is replaced by son, Ben Moody in 1942 > > > > Not sure if this is of interest to anyone other > than me. Although I am > > not > > related to the Hobsons, Drivers or Wilsons, I > would love to gather > > information about them since my families, Alcock > and Hawkins, lived in > > close proximity > > to them over many years. I will post census info > separately in the hope > > that it may be of use to someone. > > > > Terri Alcock > > Sooke BC Canada > > _teralcock@aol.com_ (mailto:teralcock@aol.com) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index

Peggy Leonard has placed online the 1901 and 1911 census that covers the area of Arklow,so my suggestion is you shake the tree she is hiding in and see what she can give you regarding this family....... unless of course they are Church of Ireland then i Will have to shake my tree for you Cara --- Ray <ray.rroberts@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Hi, I am new to this list and thought I would start > with an absolute long > shot, I am looking for ancestors of Elizabeth > Fitzgerald 1906 - 1971, from > around Arklow, she came over to North Wales and > Married a Thomas, in St > David's Church, Mold in 1937 They then lost one of > their sons Michael Esmor > Thomas by drowning in 1956 in or near Arklow. > Am I right in thinking that the census are out foe > 1911 over there? or any > other pointers please. > Regards > Ray > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link For just $24.99/mo., Vonage offers unlimited local and long- distance calling. Sign up now. http://www.vonage.com/startsavingnow/

To tell you the truth he was so round, I simply bounced him up and down and put him through a basket ball hoop..........who am I kidding he wouldn't fit!!!! And if anyone knows me, at all they know I wouldnt be able to pick him up, but bounce him mmmmmmmmmm nice thought lol Cara --- Freda McRae <freda2340@hotmail.com> wrote: > So, How is Cyril going...Have you "belted him up" > for his wayward postings, > or have you taken pity on him? > Trust Ireland is still booming. > Freda > > >From: "cracker@hotkey.net.au" > <cracker@hotkey.net.au> > >Reply-To: cracker@hotkey.net.au, > irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com > >To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Cara found the lil man in > ireland > >Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:07:10 -0500 > > > > > >I am around petal gathering, compiling and doing > this n that nearly ready > >to toss some details down the list > > > >Now in regards to that round irishman located him > today, and hes as round > >as he is high i just knew he would be. > > > >So having a few hours talking to him that is when I > can get a word in > >edgewise > > > >thankyou for your kind thoughts and I hope all is > well with everyone > > > >Oh by the way Brenda in Ire I lost the number could > you resend off list to > >this aulde one > > > >Cara > > > > > > > > > > > >Original Message: > >----------------- > >From: Jan & Geoff Addison > janandgeoff@westnet.com.au > >Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 06:50:22 +0800 > >To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Cooo-ee Cara. > > > > > > > > > >Isn't the list quiet lately, not a word from our > Boss for weeks and I for > >one am missing her sparring with Cyril. Does > anyone know where Cara is > >at present? > > > >I'm becoming a little concerned. Has she been > trapped under a falling > >headstone, been locked away in a filing cabinet in > some record office or > >(and perhaps this is more likely) is she holed up > in a Pub somewhere > >recuperating after doing all that research for us. > > > >So Cara where the * * * * * y * * * l are ya? > Still in the Emerald > >Isle or back in the Apple Isle. > > > >Wherever you are I hope you are having a great time > and I just hope this > >posting doesn't get me a reprimand. > > > >Sandgroper Jan. > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > >IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >mail2web - Check your email from the web at > >http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > >IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Advertisement: Win two gold tickets to see Robbie > Williams live! > http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=729&referral=hotmailtagline&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=298 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Free Uniden 5.8GHz Phone System with Packet8 Internet Phone Service http://www.getpacket8.net/yahoo2

Rabbits still rule.........as does the stoats, bees, wasps, slugs, butterflies and many other creepies I will add more to this report as we go along....... but there is hope, if you get on your knees often cara --- Jan & Geoff Addison <janandgeoff@westnet.com.au> wrote: > Hi Cyril, > > How nice that you and Cara caught up at the meeting. > It sounds as if there was a fair amount of chin > wagging going on between you. > > What was the outcome of the discussion regarding the > preservation of cemeteries in Wicklow. Does it give > us genies any cause for celebration - or do > rabbits still rule? > > Sandgroper Jan. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited

Must have been okay in the summer going by the photos they showed, but I cannot say first hand if it is still like that ..........begorrah lass you say 2002, you had to trample the grass, then you are lucky,I am still trying since 1998, to get the briars cut in another place I would happily settle for grass cara --- Freda McRae <freda2340@hotmail.com> wrote: > I wonder if Redford cemetery (Bray head side of > Graystones) grass is still 4 > foot high or it has finally been mowed since 2002. > I had to trample the grass down to read the > headstones. > Freda > > > >From: "Jan & Geoff Addison" > <janandgeoff@westnet.com.au> > >Reply-To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com > >To: <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com> > >Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Cemetery preservation? > >Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:10:50 +0800 > > > >Hi Cyril, > > > >How nice that you and Cara caught up at the > meeting. It sounds as if there > >was a fair amount of chin wagging going on between > you. > > > >What was the outcome of the discussion regarding > the preservation of > >cemeteries in Wicklow. Does it give us genies any > cause for celebration - > > or do rabbits still rule? > > > >Sandgroper Jan. > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > >IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Advertisement: Meet Sexy Singles Today @ Lavalife - > Click here > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D23769&_t=754951090&_r=endtext_lavalife_nov_meet&_m=EXT > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index

Hi there, I have one Hobson connection in my tree, and I'd like to find out a bit more about them as they are linked to a number of branches. The lady in question is the niece of my gggg grandfather, daughter of Anne Eager and Henry Lawrence of Slieveroe, Moyne. She was probably born around 1850. Now it gets confusing, because the family history doesn't give first names. But it mentions a Grandmother Hobson, (who is possibly the niece mentioned above). Grandmother Hobson's daughter - Mother Lawrence, who in turn is the mother of Aunt Nan. Nan's maiden name was Driver. So I think that there is a commection with your family, and I have a number of Lawrences who have intermarried with different branches of my family, so I'm very interested in untangling all the threads. Help would be most appreciated! Susan _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters

I wonder if Redford cemetery (Bray head side of Graystones) grass is still 4 foot high or it has finally been mowed since 2002. I had to trample the grass down to read the headstones. Freda >From: "Jan & Geoff Addison" <janandgeoff@westnet.com.au> >Reply-To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com >To: <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Cemetery preservation? >Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:10:50 +0800 > >Hi Cyril, > >How nice that you and Cara caught up at the meeting. It sounds as if there >was a fair amount of chin wagging going on between you. > >What was the outcome of the discussion regarding the preservation of >cemeteries in Wicklow. Does it give us genies any cause for celebration - > or do rabbits still rule? > >Sandgroper Jan. > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Meet Sexy Singles Today @ Lavalife - Click here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D23769&_t=754951090&_r=endtext_lavalife_nov_meet&_m=EXT

Hi Cyril, How nice that you and Cara caught up at the meeting. It sounds as if there was a fair amount of chin wagging going on between you. What was the outcome of the discussion regarding the preservation of cemeteries in Wicklow. Does it give us genies any cause for celebration - or do rabbits still rule? Sandgroper Jan.

Edbld, you are dead right, Paul's comment was not only insulting it was ill founded, stupid and certainly unnecessary. Daz

Well said Cara. ----- Original Message ----- From: Edbld<mailto:edd73@earthlink.net> To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com> ; cracker@hotkey.net.au<mailto:cracker@hotkey.net.au> Sent: November 6, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Cara found the lil man in ireland Paul: I think your characterization of Cyril is insulting, even with your little :), and way out of line for someone who has been so helpful to all of us foreigners looking for help from our UK friends. Remember " To err is Human" and to acknowledge doing so is humble. I personally find his posts very helpful with a distinct charming bent. Edbld ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Power" <paul_power66@yahoo.com<mailto:paul_power66@yahoo.com>> To: <cracker@hotkey.net.au<mailto:cracker@hotkey.net.au>>; <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Cara found the lil man in ireland > Hey Cara , be honest , is Cyril as stupid as he appears by his emails :) > "cracker@hotkey.net.au<mailto:cracker@hotkey.net.au>" <cracker@hotkey.net.au<mailto:cracker@hotkey.net.au>> wrote: > I am around petal gathering, compiling and doing this n that nearly ready > to toss some details down the list > > Now in regards to that round irishman located him today, and hes as round > as he is high i just knew he would be. > > So having a few hours talking to him that is when I can get a word in > edgewise > > thankyou for your kind thoughts and I hope all is well with everyone > > Oh by the way Brenda in Ire I lost the number could you resend off list to > this aulde one > > Cara > > > > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Jan & Geoff Addison janandgeoff@westnet.com.au<mailto:janandgeoff@westnet.com.au> > Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 06:50:22 +0800 > To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Cooo-ee Cara. > > > > > Isn't the list quiet lately, not a word from our Boss for weeks and I for > one am missing her sparring with Cyril. Does anyone know where Cara is > at present? > > I'm becoming a little concerned. Has she been trapped under a falling > headstone, been locked away in a filing cabinet in some record office or > (and perhaps this is more likely) is she holed up in a Pub somewhere > recuperating after doing all that research for us. > > So Cara where the * * * * * y * * * l are ya? Still in the Emerald > Isle or back in the Apple Isle. > > Wherever you are I hope you are having a great time and I just hope this > posting doesn't get me a reprimand. > > Sandgroper Jan. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/<http://mail2web.com/> . > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call > rates. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I am new to this list and thought I would start with an absolute long shot, I am looking for ancestors of Elizabeth Fitzgerald 1906 - 1971, from around Arklow, she came over to North Wales and Married a Thomas, in St David's Church, Mold in 1937 They then lost one of their sons Michael Esmor Thomas by drowning in 1956 in or near Arklow. Am I right in thinking that the census are out foe 1911 over there? or any other pointers please. Regards Ray

check out my further posts, with info on the Wilsons - census. I don't think I recall corresponding before, but will look forward to getting what you have - I have some headstones photographed, so if there is a connection I can send you those as well off list.

Thomas Hobson, head of family, Church of Ireland, can read and write, age 87, farmer, married, born Co. Wicklow. Frances Hobson, wife, C of I, read and write, age 79, married for 56 years, 12 children born alive, 10 still living, born Co. Wicklow. John Hobson, son, C of I, read and write, age 43, farm servant, married, born Co. Wicklow. Maryanne Hobson, dtr in law, C of I, read and write, age 33, married 5 years, 3 children born alive and still living, born Co. Wicklow Frances Hobson, female grandchild, C of I, age 4, born Co Wicklow Charlotte Hobson, gr child, C of I, age 6 months, born Co. Wicklow George Driver, head, C of I, read and write, 25 years old, farmer, born Co. Wicklow Margaret Mary Driver, wife, C of I, read and write, 28 years, married 4 years, one child born alive and living, Co. Wicklow Margaret Mary Driver, dtr, C of I, cannot read and write, age 3, born Co. Wicklow Hannah Driver, aunt, C of I, cannot read and write, age 76, widow, born Co. Wicklow Margaret Richards, servant, RC, read only, 64 years, domestic servant, single, born Co. Wicklow Michael Lalor, servant, RC, read and write, 23, farm servant, single, born Co. Wicklow William Driver, head, C of I, read and write, age 29, farmer, married, born Co. Wicklow Hannah Driver, wife, C of I, read and write, age 24, farmer's wife, married 4 years, one child born and living, Co Wicklow Hannah Amelia, dtr C of I, 2 years, Co Wicklow Maggie Byrne, servant, RC, read and write, age 17, farm servant, single, Co Wicklow Catherine Moody, head, C of I, read and write, age 62, widow, born Co. Wicklow William Moody, son, C of I, read and write, age 38, farmer, single, born Co Wicklow Peter Moody, boarder, C of I, read and write, age 73, farm servant, single, Co Wicklow Kathleen Perry, visitor, C of I, read and write, age 12, scholar, single, born Co Wicklow John Wilson, head, C of I, read and write, 54, farmer, married, born Co Wicklow Mary Wilson, wife, C of I, read and write, age 46, married 12 years, no children, Co Wicklow Patrick Byrne, servant, RC, read and write, age 21, farm servant, single, Co Wicklow William Alcock, head, C of I, read and write, age 46, farmer married, Co Wicklow Elizabeth, wife, C of I, read and write, age 35, married 4 years, 2 children born and living, Co Wicklow Richard Alcock, brother, C of I, read and write, age 44, farm servant, single, Co Wicklow Mary Jane, dtr, C of I, cannot read and write, age 3, Co Wicklow William George, son, C of I, cannot read and write, age 1, Co Wicklow

Thomas Hobson age 77 Francis, his wife age 68 John Hobson, son 32 Margaret Pollard, dtr [visitor] 39 Mary Anne Langrells, granddaughter 13 John Wilson 75 Mary Anne, wife 71 John son 40 Mary Wilson, dtr in law 38 James Byrne 22 servant Catherine Moody 50 widow William Moody, son 28 Lizzie, dtr 23 William Driver 60 Amelia, wife 45 William, son 19 George, son 15 Charlotte, dtr 13 Mary Anne, dtr 11 Benjamin, son 9 John, son 9 Margaret Richards, servant William Alcock 45 Kate, wife 45 Richard, brother of William 36

Here is some info compiled from Valuation records and headstones in St Peter's Church ground in Kiltegan, pertaining to the HOBSON family that lived at Mungoduff, Kiltegan, Co Wicklow. Thomas Hobson born 1824, married 8 Feb 1855 at St Peters Church, Kiltegan to Francis Driver. He died 12 march 1913 at Mungoduff, Kiltegan and is buried at St Peters. Francis died April 13, 1915 at Mungoduff is also buried at St Peters. Her parents are William Driver and Charlotte ?. Their children [I only have information on two though I'm sure there must be more. John Hobson b. 1869, died Jan 11, 1947 in Mungoduff. Buried at St Peters, Kiltegan. He married Maryanne ?. Margaret Hobson b. 1862 John and Maryanne had the following children: Frances Elizabeth Hobson b. 1907 Muckduff, Kiltegan, died 27 Apr 1959. Charlotte Hobson b. 1910 Muckduff John Dudlyard Hobson b. 1919, died 29 nvv 1987 Abraham Matthew Hobson b 1917, died 14 dec 1953 Thomas Hobson b 1913, died 10 Nov 1957. If this rings a bell with anyone, I would appreciate a response. Terri Alcock Sooke BC Canada _teralcock@aol.com_ (mailto:teralcock@aol.com)

Hello listers, just back from Ireland, with a few answers and many more questions. I am now looking for information about any people you may have in your family trees who lived at Muckduff Lower or Mungoduff as it was called in the "early" days. This is in the parish of Kiltegan, Co. Wicklow. There may be a notation on a tombstone or you may have birth, marriage or death information listing Mungoduff as home. I would be most interested. And I will supply all the info I have about the families that lived on this property of 367 acres. And Muckduff Upper which was only inhabited by sheep [483 acres]. The families were mostly C of I, with the farm servants being RC. Many of the following individuals are buried at St Peter's Church grounds in Kiltegan. Here is the information I have from documents obtained at the Valuation Office in Dublin, and I'm hoping to add to it. The property was owned by William W. F. Hume until around 1867, when the name changes to William W. F. Dick. Does anyone know the story behind that? Later it is owned by William Hume Hume. In 1827, the Tithe Applotment for Mungoduff lists the following lessees: [from National Archives, Dublin] Thomas Wilson George Wilson John Moody Robert White Maurice Hawkins George Hawkins And farm servant Thomas Kelly In 1854 Primary Valuation the following individuals [and presumably families] are present: John Wilson Thomas Hobson William Driver George Hawkins Anne Alcock William Moody and farm servants Denis Byrne and Thomas Byrne In 1860 the following families are listed: John Wilson Thomas Hobson William Driver George Driver George Alcock William Moody and farm servants Denis Byrne and Thomas Byrne In 1867, the Byrnes are gone and in their places are Edward Cusack and Patrick Rooney. In 1877: John Wilson Thomas Hopson [it should be Hobson] William Driver Snr William Driver Jr George Driver Jane Alcock replaces her husband George in 1883 George Moody replaces William in 1878 and then George's wife Catherine replaces him in 1883 Farm servants are Edward Cusack and Patrick Rooney In 1893 Edward Cusack is gone and William W. F. Dick is replaced by William Hume Hume as Lessor. [no it's not a mistake, his middle name appears to be Hume as well as his last name.] In 1894 Jane Alcock is replaced by her son William Alcock In 1912 James Toole replaces John Wilson, and then Toole is replaced by Nicholas Willoughby in 1920. Thomas Hobson is replaced by John Hobson. [date unreadable] Catherine Moody is replaced by William Moody in 1919, then Martha Moody replaces him in 1927. Patrick Rooney is replaced by John Rooney in what appears to be 1914. In 1951 Nicholas Willoughby is replaced by Thomas Alcock who is now an owner rather than lessor. John Hobson is replaced by owner, Miss M. J. Alcock, in 1962. William Driver is replaced by Peter Jackson in 1956, then Charlotte Jackson in 1978. John Rooney is gone as of 1940. George Driver is replaced by James Hobson in 1953. William Alcock is replaced by son, Thomas Alcock in 1939 Martha Moody is replaced by son, Ben Moody in 1942 Not sure if this is of interest to anyone other than me. Although I am not related to the Hobsons, Drivers or Wilsons, I would love to gather information about them since my families, Alcock and Hawkins, lived in close proximity to them over many years. I will post census info separately in the hope that it may be of use to someone. Terri Alcock Sooke BC Canada _teralcock@aol.com_ (mailto:teralcock@aol.com)