Oral family history says that my Daniel Kavanagh came from Avoca but can't find anything to prove that he did - or didn't. He certainly married and raised a family elsewhere. But, he was a blacksmith and there's a good chance that his father was also a blacksmith. And I assume that mining relied to some extent on smithing. All of these interesting little snippets puts some flesh on the bones and adds to an understanding of the social conditions of the times. And it adds another possibility - Daniel married at Glendalough and there was mining in that area too I think ?? Thank you for these fascinating little bits. Barbara

Dear Cara, What wonderful descriptions of the mining communities! Many names shown, unfortunately none are my Chathams. I feel so sure that Joseph b. abt. 1839 was a miner in that area as he first arrived in America before 1871 when my great aunt was born in Michigan. As I understand, there was mining in the northern counties of Michigan. In one of our US censuses, his mother Catherine states that she arriived in 1869, but I can't find any info on when Joseph arrived. I find him next mining in Silver City, NV in 1878 and then in Jackson, Amador County, CA in 1880. Since the 1890 census was destroyed, I only find his wife Bridget and two Daughters, Mary and Catherine in Denver in 1900. Denver is/was another mining area. He definitely followed the mining in the US so I can only believe he did that in Ireland also. My question is if you know whether any of these mines in County Wicklow and Wexford kept records of their employees which might survive today? That would be such a great piece of his life that I could fit in with what I already know. You are always such a huge help to all of us ... I do appreciate all your efforts. I hope you enjoy playing detective! With much gratitude, Gail Duncan Vacaville, CA

Cara, What a pleasant surprise to receive your emails re: the mining in the area. I enjoyed them very much. Maureen N

Wow Cara............. some 'clog iron' there, i.e. plenty of information to think about, brilliant, well done piece of research and thank you for it. >From a rushed read of it, I have two questions, What was the mine at Carysfort (West of the Aughrim River) producing, was it copper? and; Did you come upon any further mention of coal mining around Avoca? Hope that you are enjoying wading about in the Avoca River, instant sun tan from all the ochre content eh?

TRIBUTE SYSTEM A miner undertook to excavate a vein of ore, making the ore fit for market at a price of so much in the pound f the sum for which the ore sold. The better the quality of ore, the more he earned. It was usual for men to work in groups. Deductions were made for candles, powder, tools which required sharpening and mending etc. In June 1789 Thomas Carew earned an amount of £36/2/6 but deductions were totalled at £23/18/0, these being £5/0/0 for powder, £3/3/7 for candles at 7d each, tools wasted 8/8d and £14/9/0 for subsistence SUBSISTENCE:- was a form of advance payment, which was deducted from the next earnings, this in itself making the miners dependent on the companies. ACCIDENT 9TH February 1802 A large mass of rock on the hanging wall of the Boundary shaft suddenly gave way, crushing to death a young lad named Moorhead. No pension being recorded in payment to his family but on the books the company was paying Widow’s Byrne and Clarke. There seems to have been some *complicated system of roguery, between Joseph Watson, the mine agent, and many men in the work* this resulted in only 268 tons being raised. In April 1804 a Lewis Moorhead ( was he the lad’s father )the new agent receives a gratuity for his attention and good conduct, and 2½ years later he was in receipt of another gratuity on the occasion of his daughters marriage. CRONEBANE’S DEMISE A meeting of the AIM was held at Maccessfield on 14th March 1811, and a motion was passed to that all workings cease as from 25th March 1811, and that all lands and premises be sold at public auction, within three months. The mine was to be offered for lease for 21 years There were no takers to work the mine but the lands were sold in June. In 1822 a reference is found to a Mr Johnson not having paid his duty. Eventually the mine was leased to the Williams brothers from Perranarworthal in Corwall, and the mine seems to have improved. Between 1823-1847 Cronebane produced 38,000 tons of copper and Tigroney 24,950 tons. The Irish Industrial Magazines, in a series of items, described some of Avoca Mines. It also reports yet again of a dispute this time between the two Williams Brothers, which led to the two mines working separately. Cronebane appears to have ceased working in 1863 or 64 this being noted by the adjoining Cronaree mine which was encroaching on the Cronebane lands in 1872 where they state the mine has been closed this past nine years 1866 sees Tigroney employ 80 men underground and 120 on the surface, In 1872 the AIM company’s offices are located in Cornwall, and in August John Hocking is instructed to proceed to Ireland for the purpose of arranging with Captain Oats (mine captain?) for the erection of a whim engine at Boundary and Copse shafts. Consideration is again given in 1880 to the sale of the mine and it is sold to one Thomas Revington of Bray in 1881, he in turns sells the mine on to a Mr McGregor who it seems was still in ownership in 1912. OTHER MINES IN THE AREA But from West to East these mines operated in the Avoca area Carysfort to the west of Aughrim River Knocknamohill on the high ground between the two rivers (Avonmore and Avonbeg) Ballygahan which surrounded Ballymurtagh and joined the river ( this was a private operation and no records have been located ) To the east of Cronbane mine was the Cronaree mine this mine being worked between 1830 to 1856 (with some years not being worked) the new owner was a Mr Markam Browne, and his successors were the Connorree Mining Company, but this last company was to be involved in a case of *misappropriation of monies* and the mine was advertised for sale 12th June 1875. LIVING AND WORKING CONDITIONS H. D|. Inglis in 1834 visited the Avoca mines areas and he reported the state of the dwellings. One for example, was a mud cabin of one room with no bedstead nor furniture, except for a stool and pot; there was no evidence of there having been a fire. There were five children in the family and the husband’s wages were quoted as being 6d. per day leaving only 4½d. after payment of the rent. Frederick Roper who carried out investigations into child employment in mines of 1842 referred to the Wicklow Cabins as being the most wretched, dirty and filthy cabins he had ever beheld. Roper stated that on paydays in Avoca “not even a gallon of whiskey sold by the public houses there;” this was a big change from some years earlier when as much as 300 gallons used to be sold. Other names that have been associated with my research in regards to mining in Avoca are Critchley ( book to be released late 2007), Williams,Robinett,Coffey,Doyle, Byrne, Reed,Reid,Bayley,Robinson,Sharpe, and I think if one was to search the archives you would find a fuller list of these names CO WEXFORD -BROWNRIGG I was once asked where the salt mills were of Avoca, and I cannot find any data pertaining to this sort of mining, but that does not mean it was not a private venture, but I did find this relating to a name being researched by some here the mine being in Co Wexford over the border so to speak. *Due to the coastal erosion little remains now of he salt house which was erected by Surgeon General Brownrigg, south of Beabogue Head in 1818, for the manufacture of salt. Salt making was a cumbersome process in which huge cauldrons, were filled with sea water and boiled over open fires, until the water evaporated and salt remained Cheers for now Cara ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index

OTHER MINES IN THE AVOCA AREA TIGRONEY The township of Avoca is divided by the river and so therefore are the mines, across the river from Ballymurtagh are the ore bodies of Cronebane and Tigroney, and here I can only quote what I have been reading but as it links to past ancestors, nothing ventured nothing gained. A Mr Hume who had worked the copper mine at Bonmahon in Co Waterford, is said to have started at Tigroney in 1732 along with William Hoey, being joined some years later by a number of gentleman, among them a Dr Wynne, who from time to time is credited with the invention of the precipitation process, but this process is much older than this as it was used in Germany in 1546. It seems more likely that the Cornish miners who joined these mines brought the method with themselves. In circa 1745 Tigroney appears to have ceased functioning CRONEBANE Reverend William Henry records that Cronebane employed about 500 men in 1751. It is not until 1787, that a Thomas Weaver appears at the Cronebane mine to begin work on behalf of Roe and his friends, they having taken over the rest of the lease in 1757. Interestingly enough a new company under the name of Associated Irish Mining Company (AIM) was incorporated by Act of Parliament in 1798 to work these mines. The first meeting held at Cronebane 7/11/1798 one Abraham Mills was appointed chairman, and Thomas Weaver a director, George Blood made company secretary, and was to reside at Tigroney Lodge. Very little work was reported from the mine in June and July 1801, this all being laid down to the method of paying the miners. Perhaps here was used the Tut method, whereby the miner contracted to excavate rock, in a certain situations so much per solid fathom, these miners were regarded as the lower class of miners. Then of course there is the other forms of payments where by the miner was not paid a weekly wage, but operated one of two systems. TO BE CONTD ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index

TIME LINE AVOCA MINING 1860 only one third of Ballymurtagh had been explored 1861 Outbreak of Civil War drastically affects the sulphur ore market 1861 Shares had stood at £54 plunged to £34 in October 1862 1862 All mining companies in Avoca decide to stockpile rather than sell at the low prices 1863 All men remain on full work *from a consideration of the privation which an interruption in regular work would cause* 1864 Slow improvements in the Sulphur trade 1865 Dublin Wicklow and Wexford railway opens as far as Wexford, creating an alternative port of shipment –Kingstown 1866 Cessation of Hostilities in America leads to some improvement in the copper and copper pyrites trade. 1867 A new shaft is sunk 1868 Ore prices dropped from 25/- to 18/- as a result of increased imports from Spain and Portugal with Norway also joining in the trade to Britain 1868 To offset the depression the mining company turns its attention to raising iron ore as substitute 1868 Winter was very severe-and the Kingstown Port was fully realised with a large tonnage exported in the winter months 1870 WMC purchases the Arklow Chemical Works (ACW) for a sum of £15,000 1872 January saw the first products from ACW-salt cake and bleaching powder. 1875 The Ballymurtagh mine was showing a loss, and the directors decide to stop pumping. 1876 A new board included a man named Edward Breslin, who was to become the new owner of Ballymurtagh 1881 All time low of shares they drop to 4/- and ochre is discovered 1884 The Companies in dire straits 1886 An Extraordinary meeting is held and it was decided that the company would be voluntarily, wound up. I want to point out to any readers of these aimless ramblings, although I am very interested in mining and any work associated with the Wicklow County, I am not an expert on anything pertaining to mining, this has simply been gathered and researched in my quest for more information on the working men and woman of Co Wicklow, in past decades. TO BE CONTD. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

CHAPMAN Aware of the poor state of transport,William Chapman of Dublin was employed to survey a canal to connect the Port of Arklow with the mines, with branches to Glenmalure, where this company had a lead mining interests, and to Kilkenny coalfields. The latter to remove the hardship of bringing coal in through the Arklow port. The Company’s Act of Incorporation gave powers to build such a canal and to hold and enjoy the Harbour of Arklow. (I found nothing more on this Canal was it ever built?) KYAN –CARMAC BROTHERS John Howard Kynan and Turner and John Carmac struggled on for some years, but following disputes between them, mining operations ceased circa 1803, and the Ballymurtagh mine was to lay idle until circa 1822. BRADY – HODGSON Two new men enter the picture in 1822 and an agreement between Cheyne Brady and Henry Hodgson ( locally pronounced Hudson) to lease the mine for 31 years. But I wonder why they tackled this particular mine, it had lain idle for so long and was so dilapidated, that they did indeed find it hard to make it work, but in 1826, after much hard work they were showing a profit; and they formed the Wicklow Copper Mining Company (WMC) in 1827 and this company, remained in operations for the next 60 years. Although Henry Hodgson about this time had relinquished his interests in Ballymurtagh, and had moved on to the adjoining Ballygahan mine. PRODUCTION Up to 1839 most of the sulphur used in the manufacture of Sulphuric Acid was produced in Italy. With a hike in prices by the King of Naples, as he thought he had the monopoly. Avoca mines came into their own at this time, the first cargo being shipped from Ballymurtagh in 1839. Mention being made of Ballymurtagh in the Mining Journal in 1847. TO BE CONTD. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com

AIMLESS RAMBLINGS By Cara 2006 Interestingly enough the Nineteen Arches,( BEAUTIFUL BRIDGE) lends it’s birth most likely to the fact that it’s need was necessitated by the mining in Avoca.The Bridge spans the Avoca River giving access into Arklow and to the wharf, and one would expect that perhaps the original route from Avoca was along the Beech Road to Arklow and over the bridge. An exact date of when it was built, has not been located and, it has been suggested to me that it perhaps was built to replace a wooden bridge in or around the 1750’s, by Andrew Noble, and a lot of myths and folk lore, surrounds this man’s name. Andrew Noble is buried in Ennereilly, this graveyard being out Brittas way from Arklow. Noble. Here lieth the body of Andrew Noble departed this life December 7 1759 aged 5 ? years. ORMOND-HOWARD-ALLAN-PROBY The Duke of Ormond in the 18th century desired to be rid of his holdings in Arklow and looked for a buyer (coin a modern phrase) he having sold some years before the lands North of the river to Ralph Howard, and in looking he found a man named John Allen, amazingly enough this man named Allen had entered Ireland at the end of the 17th century from Holland, he rose through the ranks of the business world and political circles of the time, being a leading builder and architect in his day, he owned land in Stillorgan and Dublin, and his acquisition of the land of Ormond’s was what he desired. The land stretched from Woodenbridge to the sea, and the Allen’s social standing was given another burst up the ladder of success. In as much to have money was one thing, to have rural estate was the true mark of nobility. In 1750 Elizabeth Allen married John Proby and as part of the marriage settlement the land at Stillorgan and Arklow passed into John Prob’s hands. Mining in Wicklow can be traced back to pre-christian times, but the modern references began from the end of the 17th century when John Howard of Shelton was seized of lands at Ballymurtagh came into possession of a copper mine in February 1691. And as part of a marriage settlement this passed into the hands of John Howard Kynan in 1766. BALLYMURTAGH-ROE -KYNAN In the June of 1787 John Kynan entered into a contract with William Roe and others from Macclesfield o work the mines for 41 years- But William Roe and partners were in fact more concerned with the operations east of the Avoca River. They did in fact work Ballymurtagh for a short time. But due to a dispute with Kyan they surrendered their lease in 1790, work having ceased sometime before this. Kyan then formed a new liaisons with Turner and Colonel John Carmac, and this in turn formed the Hibernian Mining Company (HMC). to be contd. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

Attached is what my daughter and I found in the Kilcommon Parish church yard: hugs, m Mary Villalba AZTEC Communications 303-290-8415 Tele Distinguished Governor Rocky Mountain District Kiwanis International 2003-2004 "A global organization of volunteers, dedicated to changing the world, one child and one community at a time."

Hi, all: I know that some of you will get a duplicate message, but didn't want to miss anyone who hasn't joined the Brownrigg list yet. I have a piece of the puzzle that someone may be able to put in place...There is a stone in the Kilcommon Parish church yard erected for "Georgiana H. Brownrigg youngest daughter of William - Mullins, Tinahely. She entered into rest 21, February, 1909 at 68 years and for her sister Anna Elizabeth 1, November 1909 at 70 years." I've got a hunch these may have been spinster daughters of William (b. 1804) and Charlotte Leggett, who moved back to Ireland at some point. Can anyone dig up birth records in L'Acadie that match them? thanks, m Mary Villalba AZTEC Communications 303-290-8415 Tele Distinguished Governor Rocky Mountain District Kiwanis International 2003-2004 "A global organization of volunteers, dedicated to changing the world, one child and one community at a time."

Hi Cyril, But I have a newspaper cutting that shows Patrick's death notice in Co.Wicklow in 2006. Helen McNamara New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: <cnews@eircom.net> To: <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Patrick & Eillen GILLICK of Co.Dublin,Bailieboro & Wicklow > When? Where? > > I think the more common and likely place to find this name is in > Co.Cavan/Meath area. > > > slan > Cyril Newsome > > > > > > irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> Hi. I am looking for any family of Patrick & Eileen GILLICK. Their >> children >> were/are...James(Jim),Pat, Phillip, Michael & Tom.. >> Thanks for any info. >> Helen McNamara >> Christchurch. >> New Zealand. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property > Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

For those of you interested in the Hawkins line here are the children of the Thomas Hawkins, son of John Hawkins that Terri Alcock recently posted: 1. Thomas HAWKINS-49 (b.6 Feb 1784-Kiltegan,Wicklow,Ireland d.22 Sep 1872-Kiltegan,,Wicklow,Ireland) sp: Rebecca DAGG-50 (b.Coolkenno,Carlow,Ireland d.21 Jun 1828-Rustyduff,Donaghmore,Wicklow,Ireland) |-2. Frances "Fanny" HAWKINS-1018 (b.1809-Rustyduff,Donaghmore,Kiltegan,Wicklow, Ireland d.22 Jul 1884-Wicklow,Ireland) | sp: Richard HAWKINS-1036 (b.1795-,,Wicklow,Ireland m.12 Feb 1827 d.16 May 1850-Tourboy,Kiltegan,Wicklow,Ireland) |-2. John HAWKINS-1019 (b.Oct 1810-Rustyduff,Donaghmore,Kiltegan,Wicklow, Ireland d.Abt 1853-Canada) | sp: Eliza MOORE-1027 (b.10 Dec 1827 m.Abt 1842 d.Abt 1853) |-2. William HAWKINS-1020 (b.1812-Rustyduff,Donaghmore,Kiltegan,Wicklow, Ireland) | sp: Martha JACKSON-1028 (m.16 May 1847) |-2. Anne HAWKINS-1021 (b.1812-Rustyduff,Donaghmore,Kiltegan,Wicklow, Ireland) | sp: William MOODY-1195 (m.21 Feb 1832) |-2. Elizabeth HAWKINS-1022 (b.1815-Rustyduff,Donaghmore,Kiltegan,Wicklow, Ireland) |-2. Edward HAWKINS-36 (b.16 Jun 1816-Rustyduff,Kiltegan,Wicklow,Ireland d.21 Mar 1898-Pepin,Pepin,Wisconsin) | sp: Catherine CONNELL-37 (b.1820/1821-Ireland m.10 Apr 1838 d.1 Mar 1889-Pepin,Pepin,Wisconsin) |-2. Margaret HAWKINS-1023 (b.1818-Rustyduff,Donaghmore,Kiltegan,Wicklow, Ireland) | sp: William JACKSON-1029 (m.28 Nov 1842) |-2. Mary Anne HAWKINS-1024 (b.1820-Rustyduff,Donaghmore,Kiltegan,Wicklow, Ireland) |-2. George HAWKINS-1025 (b.1821-Rustyduff,Donaghmore,Kiltegan,Wicklow, Ireland) | sp: Sarah MITCHELL-1030 |-2. Rebecca HAWKINS-51 (b.1824-Rustyduff,Donaghmore,Kiltegan,Wicklow, Ireland) |-2. Thomas HAWKINS-52 (b.12 Jan 1826-Rustyduff,Donaghmore,Kiltegan,Wicklow, Ireland d.20 Sep 1918-Marysville,,Kansas) | sp: Alice FINLAY-187 (b.4 Jul 1830-,,,Ireland m.6 Sep 1851 d.13 Mar 1928-Marysville,,Kansas) |-2. Mary HAWKINS-1026 (b.1828-Rustyduff,Donaghmore,Kiltegan,Wicklow, Ireland) sp: Mary MOODY-87 |-2. William HAWKINS-150 (b.28 Mar 1831-Rustyduff,Kiltegan,Wicklow,Ireland) | sp: Harriet TAYLOR-1031 (m.Feb 1855) |-2. Esther "Essy" HAWKINS-155 (b.9 Jun 1832-Rustyduff,Kiltegan,Wicklow,Ireland) |-2. Christopher "Chris" HAWKINS-148 (b.17 Apr 1834-Killebeg,Kiltegan,Wicklow,Ireland) | sp: Martha HOBSON-1032 (m.7 Aug 1857) |-2. Rebecca HAWKINS-153 (b.15 Jul 1835-Killebeg,Kiltegan,Wicklow,Ireland) |-2. Richard HAWKINS-149 (b.23 Aug 1837-Killebeg,Kiltegan,Wicklow,Ireland) | sp: Susan MITCHELL-1033 (m.7 Sep 1863) |-2. Hannah HAWKINS-154 (b.24 Jul 1839-Killebeg,Kiltegan,Wicklow,Ireland) | sp: Edward JONES-1034 (m.21 Jan 1862) |-2. Isaack HAWKINS-151 (b.4 Sep 1841-Killebeg,Kiltegan,Wicklow,Ireland) |-2. James (Jim) HAWKINS-147 (b.15 Aug 1843-Killebeg,Kiltegan,Wicklow,Ireland) | sp: UNKNOWN |-2. Rebecca HAWKINS-156 (b.21 Jun 1845-Killebeg,Kiltegan,Wicklow,Ireland d.1927) | sp: Walter MALONE-401 (b.Ireland m.1 Aug 1867d.Ardristan Lodge,Ireland) |-2. Jane HAWKINS-157 (b.21 Feb 1847-Killebeg,Kiltegan,Wicklow,Ireland) |-2. Samuel HAWKINS-146 (b.29 Mar 1850-Killebeg,Kiltegan,Wicklow,Ireland d.1944-Killebeg,Kiltegan,Wicklow,Ireland) | sp: Mary Anne SMITH-198 (b.1862 m.5 Feb 1883 d.1943) |-2. Essau HAWKINS-158 (b.10 Dec 1853-Killebeg,Kiltegan,Wicklow,Ireland) +-2. John HAWKINS-152 (b.1855-Killebeg,Kiltegan,Wicklow,Ireland) As you can see he had rather large families. Just ignore the RIN numbers after each name. Shirley

----- Original Message ----- From: David Griffiths To: irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com ; IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] NILES family- Griffiths valuation accuracy Carol Asks "Will this mean that my Niles were the last Niles family to be in Ireland seing the is only one in Griffith's Val. Answer not necessary. What is the Griffith's Valuation ? It references more than one million individuals who occupied property in Ireland between 1848 and 1864. Since no Irish census of the nineteenth century has survived, Griffith's Valuation is a record of extreme importance. To be recorded in Griffith's valuation one would need to owner or lessee of property. Regards Dave

I am certainly no expert on Irish surnames but Niles does not look, to me, like an Irish name. Have you considered that the spelling may have been Anglisised (which is not the correct spelling either) from something that sounded similar? Also, have you looked into the occupation of John Nile - Soldier, something to do with estate management, etc.? He may have originally come from England, married and/or had children in Ireland and then returned. Have you managed to get a copy of his Death Certificate? This may point you in the right direction. As Dave has pointed out, no Irish census records survive from the 19thC - and precious few birth/death/marriage records for the period exist either. So Griffiths is, for many of us, the only means by which we can pinpoint our places of origin. "In order to produce the accurate information necessary for local taxation, the Tenement Act of 1842 provided for a uniform valuation of all property in Ireland, to be based on the productive capacity of land and the potential rent of buildings. The man appointed Commissioner of Valuation was Richard Griffith, a Dublin geologist, and the results of his great survey, the Primary Valuation of Ireland, were published between 1848 and 1864." (http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/records/land/grva.htm) Given the purpose of the Valuation and the fact that Griffith was a geologist, I think he would have done his darndest to make it accurate. Barbara

Greetings everyone! For years, I've been trying to find my GG Grandparents, William WHATELY (or WHEATLEY) and Hannah WHITE. They were married in 1833 and lived in the Baltinglass/Kiltegan area of Co Wicklow. No record seems to exist for the family except for the baptism record of their son John who is my great grandfather. He was born in 1855 in Kyle, emigrated to Canada in 1860. He went back to Ireland in the 1870s and copied his information from the parish records. I recently wrote to Rev Canon M. McCullagh at the Baltinglass Rectory for help. I really didn't expect to hear back but I received a two page handwritten letter from him a couple of weeks later. He didn't find William and Hannah but he did send the following - perhaps it will help someone else on the list: (No WHEATLEY baptism entries) WHEATLEYMarriages: 1872 Anthony WHEATLEY of Borkle, Kiltegan to Jane FREEMAN of Kilmurray (?), Baltinglass. Anthony given as a farmer, son of Matthew WHEATLEY, a farmer, of Baltinglass. 1860 Matthew WHEATLEY, a farmer, to Sarah COLLINS of Hacketstown (no address for Matthew) 1859 William WHATLEY of Hacketstown, a farmer, to Elizabeth SHOW/SHAW (?) of Boley, Baltinglass, William given as son of William WHATLEY, a farmer. Burials: 1950 Elizabeth WHEATLEY of Knockeen, Tullow, Co Carlow buried in Baltinglass Churchyard, age 88 yrs. WHITE BAPTISMS: 3 children born to George and Mary WHITE of Tuckmill, Stratford, between 1843 and 1847 - George, William and Sarah Anne. Marriages: 1805 James WHITE of Stratford to Bridget KEEGAN 1825 John WHITE of Hacketstown to Anne WILSON of Rathsollagh, Ballynure 1881 William WHITE of Borkle, Kiltegan to Elizabeth JACKSON of Stratford. William given as son of John White, a farmer, Elizabeth as daughter of William Jackson, a master mariner (?) Burials: 1833 Susan WHITE (no address given) buried in Stratford Churchyard, age 14 yrs. Rev McCullagh returned the IRCs I included with my request, explaining that the post office no longer accepts them. Is this true everywhere in Ireland? Stephanie in California

Hi. I am looking for any family of Patrick & Eileen GILLICK. Their children were/are...James(Jim),Pat, Phillip, Michael & Tom.. Thanks for any info. Helen McNamara Christchurch. New Zealand.

When? Where? I think the more common and likely place to find this name is in Co.Cavan/Meath area. slan Cyril Newsome irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Hi. I am looking for any family of Patrick & Eileen GILLICK. Their children > were/are...James(Jim),Pat, Phillip, Michael & Tom.. > Thanks for any info. > Helen McNamara > Christchurch. > New Zealand. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

Hi Can anyone give me their thoughts on how accurate Griffiths valuation was. My JOHN NILES and family came from Wicklow to Cumberland 1860s (kids births- all Wicklow and 1871 England Cumberland census pinpoints the time frame) Griffiths valuation shows only one Niles family in the whole valuation- John in Wicklow-who Im pretty certain is mine. Can I be sure there were no other Niles in Ireland or have other listers got families not showing up on the valuation. Will this mean that my Niles were the last Niles family to be in Ireland, the ongoing free Ancestry access to USA shipping immigration shows lots of Niles setting up home in America and its got me thinking that mine were the last to leave and that some of my family could very well be in USA- although how I pin them down to Wicklow never mind being related is another issue. Any opinions welcome. Carol

I endorse this invitation and would suggest those of you from the list who can make it to the launch, will not be dissapointed in this work. I will be there to meet Paul and anyone else and looking forward to perusing the book, a long time in the finishing as you all know Paul stepped back from researching a year ago to finish his book. I myself have missed his input to the list, but have understood his need to keep his head down and his A~~~ up to finish this work. Now it is done, and in the pipeline, those of you in IRELAND able to get to this launch should note it in your diaries.... and support your local historians. thankyou CARA --- Paul Gorry <gorry@indigo.ie> wrote: > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > Baltinglass Chronicles 1851-2001 by Paul Gorry > (published by Nonsuch Publishing, Dublin) will be > officially launched in Baltinglass Library at > 3pm-5pm on Saturday 25 November by Aideen Ireland, > President of the Royal Society of Antiquaries of > Ireland. All are welcome. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-WICKLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Don't quit your job - take classes online www.Classesusa.com